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When I first heard about the ref that called the NFL player a "BOY",the first thought that came to my mind is "God please don't let this man be white".
Now all I can think is what has happened to the Ref?
Did it just get brushed under the rug?
Isnt the term BOY a insult to blacks shouldn't black leaders be stepping up asking for this man too be fired or boycotting the NFL?
Or does it only count as a offense if someone white says it?
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If a person of color calls another person a racial slure it is ok ::)
In the eyes of some of course , not all.
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If a person of color calls another person a racial slure it is ok ::)
In the eyes of some of course , not all.
I think this guy should get some kind of punishment,refs should be more professional no matter what the players bark at them
I just know this thing would have been a mega issue if he was white
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im surprised that this thread took so long..
the reference to "boy" as the referee is accused of using wasnt a racial epithet is what a few black personalities on espn are saying and i agree. i heard Mike Tirico and Steven A. Smith both say something along those lines. the "boy" reference was more of a seniority remark being that the black ref was much older than the black player. in certain cultures this is normal, mine included. when a much older person is giving you advice and you refuse to listen due to whatever reason the elder/wiser one often calls you "boy" in a stern way signifing that he is infact older and wiser. this was in no manner meant to be a racial slur towards the player. if anything the ref failed to realize that he was speaking to a person from a vastly different generation.
you can also relate this to an old white man referring to much younger and ignorant white boy as "son", even though they are not family. as in "look son!"
"boy" and "son" can be substituted...also the ref did play in the NFL.
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im surprised that this thread took so long..
the reference to "boy" as the referee is accused of using wasnt a racial epithet is what a few black personalities on espn are saying and i agree. i heard Mike Tirico and Steven A. Smith both say something along those lines. the "boy" reference was more of a seniority remark being that the black ref was much older than the black player. in certain cultures this is normal, mine included. when a much older person is giving you advice and you refuse to listen due to whatever reason the elder/wiser one often calls you "boy" in a stern way signifing that he is infact older and wiser. this was in no manner meant to be a racial slur towards the player. if anything the ref failed to realize that he was speaking to a person from a vastly different generation.
you can also relate this to an old white man referring to much younger and ignorant white boy as "son", even though they are not family. as in "look son!"
"boy" and "son" can be substituted...also the ref did play in the NFL.
I understand what you are saying but a ref should be professional I dont care if he is in the hall of fame it dont matter.
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Point blank-if this ref was white he would be fired, the NAACP and Sharpton would be up his ass and we would be having a much livelier discussion. :)
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Point blank-if this ref was white he would be fired, the NAACP and Sharpton would be up his ass and we would be having a much livelier discussion. :)
A fucking men ::)
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I understand what you are saying but a ref should be professional I dont care if he is in the hall of fame it dont matter.
no you dont understand what im saying. your argument is that the slur was a derogatory one based on race, that isnt the case. the term used had nothing to do with race.
if youre arguing that it was simply unprofessional then yes, i agree with you it was unprofessional. but thats not what your are stating. your argument is based on race.
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Point blank-if this ref was white he would be fired, the NAACP and Sharpton would be up his ass and we would be having a much livelier discussion. :)
yes that is true, but that isnt the case.
you can add all your "if" scenarios you want but what happened is only what happened.
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When I first heard about the ref that called the NFL player a "BOY",the first thought that came to my mind is "God please don't let this man be white".
Now all I can think is what has happened to the Ref?
Did it just get brushed under the rug?
Isnt the term BOY a insult to blacks shouldn't black leaders be stepping up asking for this man too be fired or boycotting the NFL?
Or does it only count as a offense if someone white says it?
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and btw TomCat your jump to assumption that this was a racial slur meant to be derogatory is very similar to Jesse and Al Sharpton jumping on the Duke players and accusing them of rape. when in fact that wasnt the case.
in fact the term used wasnt what you had in mind at all.
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yes that is true, but that isnt the case.
you can add all your "if" scenarios you want but what happened is only what happened.
My point is that why are their double standards? "Boy" said by a white dude refers to racism and Jim Crow but if used between two blacks sends them back to the cotton fields on a equal playing field? Give me a break. That term is demeaning and frankly stupid in general unless used by a father to a son. Funny how when hypocrisy is mentioned the black community cites "culture" as the reason for word usage.
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and btw TomCat your jump to assumption that this was a racial slur meant to be derogatory is very similar to Jesse and Al Sharpton jumping on the Duke players and accusing them of rape. when in fact that wasnt the case.
in fact the term used wasnt what you had in mind at all.
oh funny you bring up the duke players,did Al or Jesse say sorry to them and there families for all the sensless trouble they caused them?
My argument is that they should treat this the same way no matter what,whether its a mentor thing which is completely stupid by the way,or a race thing he should be punished and he wont be because he is black!!!!!
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My point is that why are their double standards? "Boy" said by a white dude refers to racism and Jim Crow but if used between two blacks sends them back to the cotton fields on a equal playing field? Give me a break. That term is demeaning and frankly stupid in general unless used by a father to a son.
**thats not a double standard if the term used wasnt racist!**
**racism had nothing to do with the situation!**
people assumed it was a racist remark before the entire story was out, just like Al and Jesse assumed the white boys did rape the stripper and assumed it would be racial injustice if nothing was done.
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**thats not a double standard if the term used wasnt racist!**
**racism had nothing to do with the situation!**
people assumed it was a racist remark before the entire story was out, just like Al and Jesse assumed the white boys did rape the stripper and assumed it would be racial injustice if nothing was done.
But used in the same context by a white dude it would be racist. Explain that.
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oh funny you bring up the duke players,did Al or Jesse say sorry to them and there families for all the sensless trouble they caused them?
My argument is that they should treat this the same way no matter what,whether its a mentor thing which is completely stupid by the way,or a race thing he should be punished and he wont be because he is black!!!!!
do you guys even see that you brought racism into a situation where racism didnt even exist.
*no one is arguing that Jess and Al were correct, funny how you reprimand them, though you are doing something very similar. talk about double standard.
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But used in the same context by a white dude it would be racist. Explain that.
did that happen?
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did that happen?
Answer the question unless you are afraid to. It's a matter of discussion not a matter of fact. Why is this situation, racist or not, appropriate in your mind? Answer both while you're at it.
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Answer the question unless you are afraid to. It's a matter of discussion not a matter of fact. Why is this situation, racist or not, appropriate in your mind? Answer both while you're at it.
ok, yes if a white person used the word "boy" towards a black person it would be racist.
just as any other racial slur.
and if a black person uses the word "cracker" towards a white person that would be racists.
did you really need that explanation?
answer me this, why do you feel it necessary to bring racism into a situation where it never even existed?
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do you guys even see that you brought racism into a situation where racism didnt even exist.
*no one is arguing that Jess and Al were correct, funny how you reprimand them, though you are doing something very similar. talk about double standard.
this discussion for me was about two issue in my mind.
one where is Jess and Al and all the rest of the blacks condemming what this ref said(whether it was racist or not it was still demeaning to a grown man)
second:total double standard whether a white man says it or a black man it should be the same punishment no matter what!!!
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Why is this situation, racist or not, appropriate in your mind? Answer both while you're at it.
oh and no i do not feel its appropriate to bring racism into a subject where it never existed. do you?
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ok, yes if a white person used the word "boy" towards a black person it would be racist.
just as any other racial slur.
and if a black person uses the word "cracker" towards a white person that would be racists.
did you really need that explanation?
answer me this, why do you feel it necessary to bring racism into a situation where it never even existed?
a white man calling another a cracker is still a racist term whether he is black or not
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a white man calling another a cracker is still a racist term whether he is black or not
Debussey thinks TomCAt = H O T
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ok, yes if a white person used the word "boy" towards a black person it would be racist.
just as any other racial slur.
and if a black person uses the word "cracker" towards a white person that would be racists.
did you really need that explanation?
answer me this, why do you feel it necessary to bring racism into a situation where it never even existed?
You still need to answer my other question. Why is the statement appropriate in its context?
My point, along with Tomcat, is that this should not be acceptable no matter who says it. BTW, as far as PC America is concerned, cracker isn't racist.
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this discussion for me was about two issue in my mind.
one where is Jess and Al and all the rest of the blacks condemming what this ref said(whether it was racist or not it was still demeaning to a grown man)
second:total double standard whether a white man says it or a black man it should be the same punishment no matter what!!!
reread your original post , Tomcat. you were confident that the ref used the word as a racist remark. now you say it doesnt matter if it was a racist remark? make up your mind, and i'll ask you the same question, why are you so eager to bring racism into a situation where it never existed?
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Debussey thinks TomCAt = H O T
no truer statement has ever been said but we must stay on point
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reread your original post , Tomcat. you were confident that the ref used the word as a racist remark. now you say it doesnt matter if it was a racist remark? make up your mind, and i'll ask you the same question, why are you so eager to bring racism into a situation where it never existed?
because it is about race....he is black so he gets let off the hook where a white man would be fired
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You still need to answer my other question. Why is the statement appropriate in its context?
My point, along with Tomcat, is that this should not be acceptable no matter who says it. BTW, as far as PC America is concerned, cracker isn't racist.
i answered one of yours now you answer one of mine,
why do you feel its necessary to bring racism into a situation where it never existed?
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because it is about race....he is black so he gets let off the hook where a white man would be fired
the black ref wasnt being racist. it had nothing to do with race, you brought race into the picture by assuming that it was a racist remark when infact it wasnt.
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i answered one of yours now you answer one of mine,
why do you feel its necessary to bring racism into a situation where it never existed?
Because the word is used with racist connotations but not so in this case because of skin color. I think it stupid regardless but that is not the case because of skin color, which I feel is wrong.
What if he was an Uncle Tom and hates blacks?
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Because the word is used with racist connotations but not so in this case because of skin color. I think it stupid regardless but that is not the case because of skin color, which I feel is wrong.
What if he was an Uncle Tom and hates blacks?
hmmmm..never thought about that maybe we should look into his back round
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Because the word is used with racist connotations but not so in this case because of skin color. I think it stupid regardless but that is not the case because of skin color, which I feel is wrong.
What if he was an Uncle Tom and hates blacks?
yes, the word was not used with racist connotations in this case. the word was used as a term you are not familiar with. TomCat created a thread insinuating that the ref was a racist. read his original post.
"what if he was an uncle tom who hated blacks?" what if....it doesnt matter, the situations was not related to racsim. it was indeed a term used to indicate seniority, but a racist term? no not at all. and that is why no one not even Jim Brown or the ACLU cares about the matter.
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gotta go guys i'll be back a little later..
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yes, the word was not used with racist connotations in this case. the word was used as a term you are not familiar with. TomCat created a thread insinuating that the ref was a racist. read his original post.
"what if he was an uncle tom who hated blacks?" what if....it doesnt matter, the situations was not related to racsim. it was indeed a term used to indicate seniority, but a racist term? no not at all. and that is why no one not even Jim Brown or the ACLU cares about the matter.
Seniority? So if I said that to my black subordinate it would okay? Can I call all lazy people porch monkeys?
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yes, the word was not used with racist connotations in this case. the word was used as a term you are not familiar with. TomCat created a thread insinuating that the ref was a racist. read his original post.
"what if he was an uncle tom who hated blacks?" what if....it doesnt matter, the situations was not related to racsim. it was indeed a term used to indicate seniority, but a racist term? no not at all. and that is why no one not even Jim Brown or the ACLU cares about the matter.
they dont care because he is black!!!
can you say tunnel vision?
he should be punished like a white man would be punished!!
what if next week the same thing happens but the ref is white?
I bet you will be the first to say "racism",fire him.
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im surprised that this thread took so long..
the reference to "boy" as the referee is accused of using wasnt a racial epithet is what a few black personalities on espn are saying and i agree. i heard Mike Tirico and Steven A. Smith both say something along those lines. the "boy" reference was more of a seniority remark being that the black ref was much older than the black player. in certain cultures this is normal, mine included. when a much older person is giving you advice and you refuse to listen due to whatever reason the elder/wiser one often calls you "boy" in a stern way signifing that he is infact older and wiser. this was in no manner meant to be a racial slur towards the player. if anything the ref failed to realize that he was speaking to a person from a vastly different generation.
you can also relate this to an old white man referring to much younger and ignorant white boy as "son", even though they are not family. as in "look son!"
"boy" and "son" can be substituted...also the ref did play in the NFL.
I agree with what you said, BUT those commentators are picking and choosing who has the right to use that word and what connotation it would be assumed to be used in. The guys who are questioning it have every right to do so because they make a good point. Even though it probably wasn't used in a racially motivated way, some races seem to have the right to use certain words where others do not. Its a double standard, is it a big deal, not really. But should people quit being so sensitive, about a word, I think so.
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Seniority? So if I said that to my black subordinate it would okay? Can I call all lazy people porch monkeys?
you want to correlate a black referee calling another black man "boy" in a non-racist way to your example above, as opposed to the intent in which it was actually used? you cant see the difference can you..
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they dont care because he is black!!!
can you say tunnel vision?
no they dont care because they know and understand the context in which it was used. as in not the context in which you are familiar with.
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I just know this thing would have been a mega issue if he was white
but it was'nt and it's not and you're pretty stupid ....
stick to trolling with one liners because your attempts to be serious around here generally fall short of intelligent !
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but it was'nt and it's not and you're pretty stupid ....
stick to trolling with one liners because your attempts to be serious around here generally fall short of intelligent !
;D
my point the entire time was that it never was a racist issue, and to bring race into an issue in which it never existed in the first place is very dangerous.
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no truer statement has ever been said but we must stay on point
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Anyone hear last night the owner of the falcons say if michael vick is not watching himself in jail and eating fried chicken and french fries coming back at 215# he wont be the same player.
The guys in the box were all talking about his chances of coming back and whatever roadblocks there might be. I laughed a good laugh. I wondered if Al and Jesse would be jumping on this one.
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you want to correlate a black referee calling another black man "boy" in a non-racist way to your example above, as opposed to the intent in which it was actually used? you cant see the difference can you..
If there is no racist intent what does it matter? I am older than him and in a higher position.
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Point blank-if this ref was white he would be fired, the NAACP and Sharpton would be up his ass and we would be having a much livelier discussion. :)
sad but so very true
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but it was'nt and it's not and you're pretty stupid ....
stick to trolling with one liners because your attempts to be serious around here generally fall short of intelligent !
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Geo go back to the X board because outside of that board no one gives a rats ass about you,your cats ,or any other cornball shit you talk about