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ing, momentum and lack of negatives?
I mean, every video I have seen he is using momentum for rows and a host of other exercises. It is amazing it worked for him. How DID it work for him?
Discuss...
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no matter how yo move some heavy ass weight you're still going to grow.. And ther's no way you can do some of those movements wihtout a little cheating.
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Maybe he is proof that the pink dumbell-using technique lovers infatuated with the mind-muscle connection are all full of shit?
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Maybe he is proof that the pink dumbell-using technique lovers infatuated with the mind-muscle connection are all full of shit?
Speaking of Dorian?
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ing, momentum and lack of negatives?
I mean, every video I have seen he is using momentum for rows and a host of other exercises. It is amazing it worked for him. How DID it work for him?
Discuss...
if you train for more than 1 year i think you already know the answer for your question...You talk like ONLY Coleman do this, while in fact, guys like Dorian, Priest and maybe Levrone(with perfect form) are exceptions....
Coleman looks like Dorian on form if you compare with Johnny Jackson or Branch...and the 2 of them are beasts
Perfect form IS overrated, but i know every person have different responses to different kind of trainnings....So maybe perfect form with less weight would be better from them...
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no matter how yo move some heavy ass weight you're still going to grow.. And ther's no way you can do some of those movements wihtout a little cheating.
Unless your Dorian Yates
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Speaking of Dorian?
Not at all. Speaking of the betesticled girls who focus solely on technique as an excuse for not lifting weights as heavy as possible. Dorian had great technique AND used big weights -- for such a level of control. That is no problem, and works fine too. But form fetishists who bench 115 for 8 perfect reps are afraid of actual work.
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The guy is a genetic freak. Us mere mortals (particularly the unjuiced) will have to continue training smarter.
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As long as you feel the muscle and not only the joint it's "ok". The rest is up to the robustness of your connective tissue. High tension is a prerequisit for growth and I guess lot's of the swinging + catching the weights on top tear up the muscle good.
Additionally a bigger is muscle is easier to "feel" and more inefficient so overloading gets kinda "easier".
p.s.: say goodbye to healthy elbows 8)
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Imagine if he would have superset with stretch tubes and squated on a bosu?
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Imagine if he would have superset with stretch tubes and squated on a bosu?
He would have broken the 400lbs bodyweight barrier! ;D
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most normal people would not get good results using his 1/4 reps style with no negative and using the amount of momentum he does.
I actually wonder if he does it deliberately to move heavier weight when he is being filmed...
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The guy is a genetic freak. Us mere mortals (particularly the unjuiced) will have to continue training smarter.
yep. ronnie's an alien.
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When you go THAT heavy, swinging doesn't play the major role....
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When you go THAT heavy, swinging doesn't play the major role....
I think your avatar shows the opposite.
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When you go THAT heavy, swinging doesn't play the major role....
I reckon a 15 page thread could be created on that subject. I definitely see your point there, that everything is being overloaded but I wouldn't be sure until I've read an analysis done by candidizzle
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ing, momentum and lack of negatives?
I mean, every video I have seen he is using momentum for rows and a host of other exercises. It is amazing it worked for him. How DID it work for him?
Discuss...
because "strict form" is a joke and a fallacy.
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because "strict form" is a joke and a fallacy.
Lets not make any assertions until the expert has weighed in
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you can't have an affective back workout with "strict" form
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The guy is a genetic freak. Us mere mortals (particularly the unjuiced) will have to continue training smarter.
That's been my point all along.
Ronnie Coleman is not human.
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That's been my point all along.
Ronnie Coleman is not human.
Good to see you back posting by the way
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you can't have an affective back workout with "strict" form
Effective; I bet you have great muscle genetics.
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Effective; I bet you have great muscle genetics.
::), we all can't be as intelligent as you.
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::), we all can't be as intelligent as you.
Did I make that claim? In any event I am fairly convinced you have good muscle genetics; congratulations.
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Did I make that claim? In any event I am fairly convinced you have good muscle genetics; congratulations.
you don't have to have great genetics to gain from loose form.
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you don't have to have great genetics to gain from loose form.
Nor did I make that claim.
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I think with training back especially, you have to go heavy with some swinging. Seriously. I have seen the Barbarian Brothers train, and they were huge and they flung weights around like crazy. That Strict form shit does nothing for me personally except on like isolation movements.
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All that matters is exhausting the muscle: using more weight and some momentum, strict, somewhere in between, etc. - same rules whether it's Coleman or a beginner.
Also, he might've been cheating more to use heavier weight for those videos.
Also, he and other BBs might change their form to something easier later on, after they have the development.
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That's been my point all along.
Ronnie Coleman is not human.
probably, this will be only point where everyone will agree on this thread ;D
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Ronnie started to get in to the swing (incorrect training) in 2000, I remamber in 1999 we were doing incline press`s and he did very nice full range of motions with 315 lbs 10 reps.
I mentioned before if you train like power liter you will look like. You need to use both the slow-twich and the fast-twich muscle fibers, otherwise you will start lousing muscle separation and definition, you will have a power lifters body.
You have to use heavy weight with correct form full range of motions and use partial lifts with maximum muscle contractions. But first you need to know(learn) for each body part witch exercise is the best for partial lifts. And if you watch Ron`s or Brench`s training DVD you can see how wrong is executed. And that is the reason there body it is going in a wrong direction.
Now all you (just talk and not working out) understand way Milo's`s approach it works.
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ing, momentum and lack of negatives?
I mean, every video I have seen he is using momentum for rows and a host of other exercises. It is amazing it worked for him. How DID it work for him?
Discuss...
It's called steroids and GH. Works even with sloppy form.
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Is there a video where Milos trains a Bodybuilding-noob and makes him big, as much as his genetics allow, via low weight-highrep technique?
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It's called steroids and GH. Works even with sloppy form.
Popular, unproven theory. Exercise fundamentals don't change.
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Maybe he is proof that the pink dumbell-using technique lovers infatuated with the mind-muscle connection are all full of shit?
exactly.
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i don't see a problem with his form, he uses bottom range partials on pushing movements a lot but these are possibly better at this stage in his career full range is over rated. what he does is keep the muscle under the most tension possible in the hardest position of a lift - the bottom part whilst using heavy weights. As for his back look at it, you can't build a back like that without using 'no heavy ass weights' and with that comes some sacrifice in strict form.
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Do you ever consider the pro with "great form" are doing that for the camera? (like Dorian)
Great form is what you guys are conditioned to believe is the BEST and ONLY way to train.
I believe they change their style (those who use good form) to sell their product to what the masses think is best.
Please discuss.
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Do you ever consider the pro with "great form" are doing that for the camera? (like Dorian)
Great form is what you guys are conditioned to believe is the BEST and ONLY way to train.
I believe they change their style (those who use good form) to sell their product to what the masses think is best.
Please discuss.
And was it good or bad form that gave Coleman a lat tear and Yates a tricep tear?
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And was it good or bad form that gave Coleman a lat tear and Yates a tricep tear?
how did dorian get that Bicep Tear...
I heard Tony Freeman tore his pec with 135lbs on the bar.
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everyone of yates training partners have commented on how presice his movements were......
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i don't see a problem with his form, he uses bottom range partials on pushing movements a lot but these are possibly better at this stage in his career full range is over rated. what he does is keep the muscle under the most tension possible in the hardest position of a lift - the bottom part whilst using heavy weights. As for his back look at it, you can't build a back like that without using 'no heavy ass weights' and with that comes some sacrifice in strict form.
You need to do partials where the muscle is at maximum or almost at maximum contraction , on the flat or incline bench the maximum contraction is not on the bottom, you need to learn every single body parts ( muscles) where is the maximum contraction and which exercises and equipmet is the best. For that you need to go to the Gym and analyzes every thing you do. And you need to go heavy is possible kipping the good form.
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Maybe he is proof that the pink dumbell-using technique lovers infatuated with the mind-muscle connection are all full of shit?
i agree..
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You need to do partials where the muscle is at maximum or almost at maximum contraction , on the flat or incline bench the maximum contraction is not on the bottom, you need to learn every single body parts ( muscles) where is the maximum contraction and which exercises and equipmet is the best. For that you need to go to the Gym and analyzes every thing you do. And you need to go heavy is possible kipping the good form.
disagree if i'm doing partials at the point of muscle contraction then for chest and shoulders im doing a partial that is not putting the most stress on my muscle. By doing it in the bottom position of the lift and going up to the sticking point i'm keeping a higher tension on the muscle, plus exhausting it a lot more than doing contraction partials. Jay Cutler does it with his pushing exercises too.
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i agree i think locking out is actually easier than going to just short of locking out..
i only lockout when going for HEAVY heavy poundages... say max benching for 2-4 reps
because i have to to rest on the top of each rep to regain strength
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ing, momentum and lack of negatives?
I mean, every video I have seen he is using momentum for rows and a host of other exercises. It is amazing it worked for him. How DID it work for him?
Discuss...
easy...hard, , explosive lifting with heavy wts will stimulate white-fast twicth muscle fiber growth .
It can also risk injury. Howard
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disagree if i'm doing partials at the point of muscle contraction then for chest and shoulders im doing a partial that is not putting the most stress on my muscle. By doing it in the bottom position of the lift and going up to the sticking point i'm keeping a higher tension on the muscle, plus exhausting it a lot more than doing contraction partials. Jay Cutler does it with his pushing exercises too.
Than Jay is wrong, try to stop 1 inch before you touch your upper chest than push up 1/2 way than come back slow to your upper chest stop agent 1 inch before the bar touch you chest. Don't bang the bar on your upper chest, don't cheat on you workout is not you wife.