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Title: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The_Punisher on December 14, 2007, 12:44:15 PM
I guess most people on here would be considered Obese according to the standard BMI. If you lift weights, you're average height( 5'9'') and weigh around 230lbs, with a six pack, you are considered obese. Whoever put this chart together should be thrown in jail.


http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: dov on December 14, 2007, 12:46:58 PM
yeah, I'm obese....31.7 BMI
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: HUGEPECS on December 14, 2007, 12:51:17 PM
hahaha...I guess I'm fucking Obese too. 33.1 BMI
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Camel Jockey on December 14, 2007, 12:59:55 PM
It's quite accurate for the average person.

And a 230 lb person at 5'9" who's got a six pack is a steroid user.. Not exactly what you'd call normal.

If you're 6 foot and ripped at 185 lbs(which is the absolute best a natural can do), then you'd be average accord to the BMI.

Of course most of you internet warriors are pretty chubby, despite your weigh lifting. You are overweight and it's not due to muscle mass.  ::)

I think people like Bast, Adonis and even gh15 would agree with me.

Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 14, 2007, 01:00:47 PM
I guess most people on here would be considered Obese according to the standard BMI. If you lift weights, you're average height( 5'9'') and weigh around 230lbs, with a six pack, you are considered obese. Whoever put this chart together should be thrown in jail.


http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/
hahahahhaa, yeah i'm sure there's a lot of guys on getbig who are 230 with abs at 5'9". ::)
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Camel Jockey on December 14, 2007, 01:03:56 PM
hahahahhaa, yeah i'm sure there's a lot of guys on getbig who are 230 with abs at 5'9". ::)

Dude, don't forget that everyone here is atleast 240s lbs natural with a 6 pack and the ability to bench 500 lbs.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Luke on December 14, 2007, 01:06:09 PM
hahahahhaa, yeah i'm sure there's a lot of guys on getbig who are 230 with abs at 5'9". ::)

...didn't you spend several years claiming to be just that?

Monster hypocrisy. Epic delusion. Brutal honesty.


The Luke
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 14, 2007, 01:07:11 PM
...didn't you spend several years claiming to be just that?

Monster hypocrisy. Epic delusion. Brutal honesty.


The Luke
hahahahhaa, i'm 5'11" 240 pounds with at least 20 percent BF, i've never claimed to be 10 percent or to have abs.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: HUGEPECS on December 14, 2007, 01:31:45 PM
hahahah.....I hope this BMI chart is geared toward the regular average Joe. The NFL is full of 5'9'' 230lbs guys who are as athletic as they come. I guess they're all fcuking obese by the BMI standard?
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Bast000 on December 14, 2007, 01:33:59 PM
hahahah.....I hope this BMI chart is geared toward the regular average Joe. The NFL is full of 5'9'' 230lbs guys who are as athletic as they come. I guess they're all fcuking obese by the BMI standard?

It's not intended for men on steroids.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Showstoppa on December 14, 2007, 02:46:48 PM
BMI is useless for anyone with any muscle mass. 
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on December 14, 2007, 03:09:20 PM
32.3!!! Wooohooo, I'm obese!
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 14, 2007, 03:21:15 PM
Im 29. Though i have very very ligh bones and look much heavier than i am.

The BMI sucks fails to take into account muscle mass bone density etc etc...load of nonsense.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Luke on December 14, 2007, 03:36:35 PM
hahahahhaa, i'm 5'11" 240 pounds with at least 20 percent BF, i've never claimed to be 10 percent or to have abs.

I wish I'd kept those competition pics of that former GetBig member named Jeremy (from the old boards) that you posted claiming it was a competition pic of you.

I'm sure someone with better searching abilities than me will be able to dig it up... you really owned yourself that time.


The Luke
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on December 14, 2007, 03:45:14 PM
45% but I'm going by my Ball Mass Index. My nuts can dent a car door
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Bast000 on December 14, 2007, 03:48:05 PM
i have very very ligh bones and look much heavier than i am.

 ::)
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on December 14, 2007, 03:54:19 PM
Either way the BMI is a decent guide for regular people that don't train, a soccer mom for example.. 
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 14, 2007, 03:57:28 PM
::)

im not talking about looking 290 tho at my weight people think i look around 240-50

midget
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 14, 2007, 04:01:14 PM
im not talking about looking 290 tho at my weight people think i look around 240-50

midget
no offense dude but you look nowhere near 240 pounds.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 14, 2007, 04:04:11 PM
well im told by plenty.

im very tall so it aint that impressive

plus im sure if you sene me in person youd think i was around 17stone
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 14, 2007, 04:06:55 PM
these guys in this foto are 85kg and 90-95kg both

thats around 190 and 210lbs im tall too

this maybe aint a great example

and in this foto i was only 215lbs max myself
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 14, 2007, 04:08:23 PM
how on earth can you tell anything from that photo when you're covered from head to toe, you look to be 205-210 there.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 14, 2007, 04:08:32 PM
at 6'3 in this one im 185lbs max at 17 this was before i trained
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Bast000 on December 14, 2007, 04:09:24 PM
when did you weigh your bones to find out they are light, douchebag?

 ::)
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 14, 2007, 04:09:41 PM
ah forget it.

back to the BMI it sucks
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 14, 2007, 04:10:09 PM
when did you weigh your bones to find out they are light, douchebag?

 ::)
hahahhaa, exactly, maybe he meant that he smoked his boyfriend's bone, Bast.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: dj181 on December 14, 2007, 04:38:33 PM
i remember reading an article a few years ago, and the article dealt with the long-term results of a study to determine the correlation between bmi and risk of heart disease, and basically the article's conclusion was that if your bmi is above 23 your risk for heart disease is increased irregardless of body comp
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Rudee on December 14, 2007, 04:42:18 PM
A "fraud"?   ::)  It doesn't appear the OP knows what the word fraud means. 
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: chaos on December 14, 2007, 05:09:01 PM
34.7.......I'm going to die!!!!!!!! ::)
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: HUGEPECS on December 14, 2007, 05:34:10 PM
34.7.......I'm going to die!!!!!!!! ::)




lol....we're all going to die ;D ;D,. Maybe they should create a different guidelines and categorize things in different order. Because this chart generalize every fcking thing into one and it is argueable. not many people is supporting it. Have you ever taken a physical, and the doctor come out of his office and said that everything is fine except that you need to loose weight, because, according to my chart, you're a fcking Pig. loosing your hard earned Muscle is no fun.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: chaos on December 14, 2007, 05:35:40 PM



lol....we're all going to die ;D ;D,. Maybe they should create a different guidelines and categorize things in different order. Because this chart generalize every fcking thing into one and it is argueable. not many people is supporting it. Have you ever taken a physical, and the doctor come out of his office and said that everything is fine except that you need to loose weight, because, according to my chart, you're a fcking Pig. loosing your hard earned Muscle is no fun.
I'm 6'2" and according to that chart, I should weigh under 200 pounds to be "healthy"?!?!?! OK, I'll get right on that ::)
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: England_1 on December 14, 2007, 05:37:13 PM
Im 29. Though i have very very ligh bones and look much heavier than i am.

The BMI sucks fails to take into account muscle mass bone density etc etc...load of nonsense.

BMI is not nonsense. It does exactly what it was intended to do - provide a means of categorizing weight densities for the average person.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Alex A on December 15, 2007, 09:36:16 AM
according to the BMI im considered obese in this picture right here.  Its a bunch of crap
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 15, 2007, 09:38:42 AM
now that is GRANINESS. :o
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: HUGEPECS on December 15, 2007, 09:48:12 AM
according to the BMI im considered obese in this picture right here.  Its a bunch of crap



How tall are you, mate. I'm guessing your bodyweight is around 190lbs ripped to the fcuking bones
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Zach Trowbridge on December 15, 2007, 10:48:18 AM
I'm 5'8" and only 173, but I'm overweight.  My last set of skinfold measurements had me at about 11% bf.  Blood pressure 110/69 at last checkup, normal cholesterol.  BMI doesn't mean shit.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 15, 2007, 10:53:48 AM
I got my bodyfat % done yesterday, I"m at 10.0%

The body mass index was measured too, but I really didn't pay attention to it.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Zach Trowbridge on December 15, 2007, 10:57:27 AM
I got my bodyfat % done yesterday, I"m at 10.0%

The body mass index was measured too, but I really didn't pay attention to it.

10%?  Good improvement, the last pics from the Mr Getbig probably had you at a good 13-15%.  Did you do skinfolds, biometrical impedence, or something else to measure the number?  You have abs yet?
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 15, 2007, 11:12:53 AM
10%?  Good improvement, the last pics from the Mr Getbig probably had you at a good 13-15%.  Did you do skinfolds, biometrical impedence, or something else to measure the number?  You have abs yet?

I'm actually trying to gain weight, eating 3000+ calories a day at 173 pounds or so.  They used a little pincher and machine and asked a bunch of Qs as well.  I don't think I'm that low, but when I train arms now, veins shoot out everywhere.  I didn't see a single vein in my arm for 5 years before this haha...

here's a cell phone garage pic from the 240 Garage Classic 2007.

(http://www.musclewebsites.com/pic1.jpg)
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Zach Trowbridge on December 15, 2007, 11:28:57 AM
I'm actually trying to gain weight, eating 3000+ calories a day at 173 pounds or so.  They used a little pincher and machine and asked a bunch of Qs as well.  I don't think I'm that low, but when I train arms now, veins shoot out everywhere.  I didn't see a single vein in my arm for 5 years before this haha...

here's a cell phone garage pic from the 240 Garage Classic 2007.

(http://www.musclewebsites.com/pic1.jpg)

Eyeballing it, I'd put you in the ~12% range, but it could depend on how much fat you store in your lower body as well.  At 10% you should be able to see rather clearly each individual part of the abdominals if you store your fat proportionally.

As a side note, looks like your chest has come up a shitload since the often-photoshopped "nudie most-muscular" from a while back.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 15, 2007, 11:58:49 AM
yeah, I could be higher, I have no real clue on it.  Thanks - I've lost 30+ pounds from those pics. 
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: G o a t b o y on December 15, 2007, 12:15:19 PM
BMI is not nonsense. It does exactly what it was intended to do - provide a means of categorizing weight densities for the average person.


Yes, but the problem comes in when uninformed people try to apply it universally (i.e.  health insurance, military weight limits, etc.) without understanding its limitations.  It's intended to aproximate bodyfat percentage based on simple measures like height and weight.  It does a pretty good job of this on most "normal" people.  However, in weight-training athletes, it fails to differentiate between muscle and fat, placing a 200-lb 5'10" guy in the same health category whether he's 10% bf or 40% bf.  It's very easy for a natural weight-trainer to be classified as overweight or obese while having an average or below-average level of body fat.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: G o a t b o y on December 15, 2007, 12:53:22 PM
All BMI does is assess health risk...if your 5'9", 230 lean lbs you're probably juicing, which can increase health risk. 

I got this from http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/, here are some of the risk's associated w/ a high BMI, and a lot of these are also risks associated w/ steriod use, I'd be willing to bet $ that it's very accurate.

high blood pressure (hypertension)
high LDL-cholesterol ("bad" cholesterol)
low HDL-cholesterol ("good" cholesterol)
high triglycerides
high blood glucose (sugar)

When I was juicing I had all of these except the high blood glucose...it was way accurate for me.

 



According to BMI, at 5'9", anyone 169 lbs+ is "overweight", and anyone 203 lbs+ is "obese".   Your example may be valid for a 230-lb juicer, but not so much for a 205-lb off-season natural at 15%bf.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 15, 2007, 03:04:15 PM
bast...

how come i am much lighter than many people when my muscular measurements are much bigger at very siilar heights and bodfat percentage?

folks also started a new bbuilding size routine...so fucking sore lol forgot how sore it could be
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 15, 2007, 03:05:47 PM
bast...

how come i am much lighter than many people when my muscular measurements are much bigger at very siilar heights and bodfat percentage?

folks also started a new bbuilding size routine...so fucking sore lol forgot how sore it could be
it's because you're a genetic freak goudy. ::)
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 15, 2007, 03:22:47 PM
it's because you're a genetic freak goudy. ::)

for once we agree on things.

on a serious not tho...e.g look how arnie at a lighter weight looked much bigger than mike katz e.g...must be heavier bones
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 15, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
for once we agree on things.

on a serious not tho...e.g look how arnie at a lighter weight looked much bigger than mike katz e.g...must be heavier bones
yeah shit man i mean 210 pounds at 6'3" is pretty incredible.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 15, 2007, 03:31:00 PM
 ::)

do you understand what i mean?

does anyone lol?

lighter bones can create illusion of more size...
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 15, 2007, 03:32:55 PM
::)

do you understand what i mean?

does anyone lol?

lighter bones can create illusion of more size...
i was giving you compliments on being a huge giant.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Ursus on December 15, 2007, 03:34:37 PM
i know they are noted and appreciated.
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Matt C on December 15, 2007, 04:20:19 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: dov on December 15, 2007, 04:31:02 PM
:-X
at least you can dream...........
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Matt C on December 15, 2007, 04:34:00 PM
at least you can dream...........

Yep!  I'm tired of being overweight.  I want to be obese!
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: The Squadfather on December 15, 2007, 04:35:45 PM
Yep!  I'm tired of being overweight.  I want to be obese!
;D what would this guy be?
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: SirTraps on December 15, 2007, 04:36:04 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=189690.0;attach=220873;image)

   Heres a goal to shoot for  ;D
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: HUGEPECS on December 16, 2007, 08:48:31 AM
;D what would this guy be?




lol....damn, I knew this was coming. I think the medical community is still working on a special BMI chart designed specially for Onlyme. I hope they succeed. ;D
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on December 16, 2007, 09:38:23 AM
The BMI is a tool, and with all tools, it's succes depends on it's application.
The BMI is a global assesment of someones position on the bodyfat scale and the associated risks.
It's a tool that can be used on the majority of the population and in that respect it's a quick and useful method.

Some situations require a closer look and a different tool than the BMI, with bodybuilders that's case. In most cases it's the fault of the applicant using the wrong application/tool, not the tool itself that is to blame.

Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Alex A on December 16, 2007, 02:44:29 PM
now that is GRANINESS. :o

Thanks Squadfather.  Much appreciated, hard work, diet etc, but all worth it.  Not too huge, but getting in shape is no problem, its easier starting off in good shape now, but I have been pretty fat before too. Im going to post up some pics, i have not posted before. Just to show im not naturally thin
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Alex A on December 16, 2007, 02:53:34 PM
I went from obese, to fat, to fit
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: sgt. d on December 16, 2007, 08:33:54 PM
I went from obese, to fat, to fit

good condition
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: Knives on December 16, 2007, 09:08:36 PM
::)

do you understand what i mean?

does anyone lol?

lighter bones can create illusion of more size...

Bone structures/bone weight/density varies very little from person to person.  There's no such thing as "light" bones, just as there's no such thing as "big boned" as many fat people claim to be
Title: Re: Is the Body Mass Index a fraud?
Post by: dj181 on December 24, 2010, 05:11:52 PM
The waist to hip ratio is a better measure of overall health.