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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: EL Mariachi on December 15, 2007, 10:06:09 AM
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What happens on the adonis diet:
- you slow down you metabolism
- you lose muscle tissue
- you gain more fat longterm
- you look like shit on this diet
- you lack the most important and only'' building block'' protein
- not healthy
It could work for some genetically blessed folks, but for 90 % people i wouldnt advise it.
The adonis PRinciple also says'' if you lift, you cant lose muscle, no matter what and how much you eat'' hahahah how the hell did i believe this crap.
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hahahhaa, coming from this muscular beast, i love the way you pose your little swizzle stick arms like Sergio Oliva here, classic. ;D
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hahahhaa, coming from this muscular beast, i love the way you pose your little swizzle stick arms like Sergio Oliva here, classic. ;D
I looked better than this, this is what the A \-Principles will do to you, you do lose some fat, but mostly muscle tissue.
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haha cant belive you followed ta's advices to begin with you tool
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What happens on the adonis diet:
- you slow down you metabolism
- you lose muscle tissue
- you gain more fat longterm
- you look like shit on this diet
- you lack the most important and only'' building block'' protein
- not healthy
The calories on his diet aren't that low that it lowers metabolism and it's not a 0 protein diet either.
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how many grams of protein does TA recommend?
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The calories on his diet aren't that low that it lowers metabolism and it's not a 0 protein diet either.
His diet is full of bad fats, a deficit in the most important thing called 'protein''. His diet is great for your energy-level, not for losing fat and gaining muscle. Tom and jerries ice will not build any muscle. Neither will cookies or redf weine as calories. Adonis makes the big mistake thinking calories will build muscle. Sugar will build zero muscle, all that simple carbohydrates and bad fats will only set you back.
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hahahhaa, coming from this muscular beast, i love the way you pose your little swizzle stick arms like Sergio Oliva here, classic. ;D
Hard pose to pull of Dave but if you can manage, it's epic.
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Adonis also said ''if you train, you cant lose muscle, no matter what you eat''
Speak on this Bast?
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His diet is full of bad fats, a deficit in the most important thing called 'protein''. His diet is great for your energy-level, not for losing fat and gaining muscle. Tom and jerries ice will not build any muscle. Neither will cookies or redf weine as calories. Adonis makes the big mistake thinking calories will build muscle. Sugar will build zero muscle, all that simple carbohydrates and bad fats will only set you back.
that's your problem. You're trying to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Focus on one thing at a time.
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that's your problem. You're trying to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Focus on one thing at a time.
No am not, either way it will set you back. You should watch milos's seminar, with the pro-secrets.
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What happens on the adonis diet:
- you slow down you metabolism
- you lose muscle tissue
- you gain more fat longterm
- you look like shit on this diet
- you lack the most important and only'' building block'' protein
- not healthy
It could work for some genetically blessed folks, but for 90 % people i wouldnt advise it.
The adonis PRinciple also says'' if you lift, you cant lose muscle, no matter what and how much you eat'' hahahah how the hell did i believe this crap.
you know nothing you skinny queer, I bet he is pissing himself at you for actually trying it!
ta ta
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Hard pose to pull of Dave but if you can manage, it's epic.
Hey Mcfarland you re quite 'epic' the last couple of days, whats going on? Did i hurt your feelings in anyway? Better watch your back i might run wild on you.
8)
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if it works for you, use it......
adam got into pretty good shape, if he did follow what he preaches then it must work for him.
read everything you can get your hands on and in the end if what he preaches makes sense to you then use it.
there's nothing fundementally wrong with the statement "a calorie is a calorie"....
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No am not, either way it will set you back. You should watch milos's seminar, with the pro-secrets.
You're not on steroids, so why would you eat as if you were?
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you know nothing you skinny queer, I bet he is pissing himself at you for actually trying it!
ta ta
shut up, Marcel van der Flikkers
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You're not on steroids, so why would you eat as if you were?
Just watch the damn seminar, Milos will explain it to you. www.dailymotion.com
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Look if you get the USDA allowances of nutrients you will be fine eating low calories. You will maintain (or even gain if you really know how to train) your muscle and lose fat.
This is known as CRON.
It is also the only proven method of life extension.
Mariachi you were never heavily muscled. losing the fat just forced you to confront this fact.
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Just watch the damn seminar, Milos will explain it to you. www.dailymotion.com
Have fun cooking and eating eggs/meat 8 times a day. Good luck on not committing suicide.
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Look if you get the USDA allowances of nutrients you will be fine eating low calories. You will maintain (or even gain if you really know how to train) your muscle and lose fat.
This is known as CRON.
It is also the only proven method of life extension.
Mariachi you were never heavily muscled. losing the fat just forced you to confront this fact.
I never posted pics when i was in my prime, so you dont know. Basically the adonis principle's will fool you, thinking there is a short cut with neglecting your diet.
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shut up, Marcel van der Flikkers
Shut up imbecile, who has been completely duped by TA.
We all laugh at you for your efforts!! ahaha
ta ta
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I never posted pics when i was in my prime, so you dont know. Basically the adonis principle's will fool you, thinking there is a short cut with neglecting your diet.
stop fooling yourself
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Have fun cooking and eating eggs/meat 8 times a day. Good luck on not committing suicide.
i will, if thats what it takes!
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stop fooling yourself
It doesnt matter how i looked, all im sayin it stopped my progress, with eating low protein/high simple carbs. Thats al im saying.
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It doesnt matter how i looked, all im sayin it stopped my progress, with eating low protein/high simple carbs. Thats al im saying.
were you getting your USDA of protein?
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were you getting your USDA of protein?
70 grams a day protein, in the weekends over 100 grams a day.
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It doesnt matter how i looked, all im sayin it stopped my progress, with eating low protein/high simple carbs. Thats al im saying.
From your posts I have deducted that you are a simpleton.
Lets have more discussions on the obvious!
ta ta
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Have fun cooking and eating eggs/meat 8 times a day. Good luck on not committing suicide.
Have fun eating 1.5 Hostess cupcakes and 6 oz of milk for meal number 3 and 3/4 can of Chef Boyardi spaghetti with meatballs with 3 oz grape Kool-Aid for meal 4. ::)
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were you getting your USDA of protein?
Oh here we go handing out the nutritional guidance. Post a pic. Don't listen to this guy, Mariachi. You wouldn't know he trains and he pop-locks by himself in the empty aerobics room at his gym. Yeah he's "that guy."
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70 grams a day protein, in the weekends over 100 grams a day.
that's plenty
I doubt you lost a pound of muscle if you kept training.
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i will, if thats what it takes!
youll die just as rapidly with this diet with the cancers the meat shall cause
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Oh here we go handing out the nutritional guidance. Post a pic.
Jeff don't go gay on me.
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Have fun eating 1.5 Hostess cupcakes and 6 oz of milk for meal number 3 and 3/4 can of Chef Boyardi spaghetti with meatballs with 3 oz grape Kool-Aid for meal 4. ::)
I eat different foods every day. Clearly it's more fun than the Milos diet.
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youll die just as rapidly with this diet with the cancers the meat shall cause
As Daddywaddy comes down from another crack rock high. ::)
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From your posts I have deducted that you are a simpleton.
Lets have more discussions on the obvious!
ta ta
What are you talking about you dutch homo? What do you contribute to getbig anyways? You re just here to flame on folks, you come across like a bitter selfhating homosapian. You re a traitor of humanity.
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Have fun eating 1.5 Hostess cupcakes and 6 oz of milk for meal number 3 and 3/4 can of Chef Boyardi spaghetti with meatballs with 3 oz grape Kool-Aid for meal 4. ::)
Do you really think that this is the only alternative to BBing nutrition
epic false dichotomy
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Do you really think that this is the only alternative to BBing nutrition
epic false dichotomy
Yes, as you are clearly demonstrating with your physique, there are multitudes of various training/dietary options the successful bodybuilder can implement into his free-thinking, progressive, and enlightened routine.
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All i can tell you that i looked much better on high protein foods, rather than simple carbohydrates. I dont like eating protein and drinking shakes, so you try something else like the adonis principles.
You dont have to eat meat all the time as your protein source.
whey protein
eggs
fish
chicken
all healthy food. Your body really doesnt need sugar at all, but it is advised to take sugars during and after your workout. Try not eating protein at all, and see what happens. ''High-protein is bad for your health'' is a myth.
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Yes, as you are clearly demonstrating with your physique, there are multitudes of various training/dietary options the successful bodybuilder can implement into his free-thinking, progressive, and enlightened routine.
why would I have to demonstrate it with my physique. I think Zane showed pretty clearly that low calories produce an awesome physique. Serge Nubret proved that one meal a day works fine. You know this Jeff, so stop responding to me for everyone else's benefit when you and I both know you're full of shit. What's the point of winning an argument if you know that you had to cheat to do it, that can't be very satisfying if you have self-respect.
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why would I have to demonstrate it with my physique. I think Zane showed pretty clearly that low calories produce an awesome physique. Serge Nubret proved that one meal a day works fine. You know this Jeff, so stop responding to me for everyone else's benefit when you and I both know you're full of shit. What's the point of winning an argument if you know that you had to cheat to do it, that can't be very satisfying if you have self-respect.
ya ya ya
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why would I have to demonstrate it with my physique. I think Zane showed pretty clearly that low calories produce an awesome physique. Serge Nubret proved that one meal a day works fine. You know this Jeff, so stop responding to me for everyone else's benefit when you and I both know you're full of shit. What's the point of winning an argument if you know that you had to cheat to do it, that can't be very satisfying if you have self-respect.
You re missing the point here. Nubret is the type of guy that can afford it to eat just once a day. Thats called genetics. Im talking about the regular people than cant get away with that.
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You re missing the point here. Nubret is the type of guy that can afford it to eat just once a day. Thats called genetics. Im talking about the regular people than cant get away with that.
you're missing my point. You went from a diet propounded by supplement hucksters to one advocated by some dude looking for attention on a message board. and now you're going to see-saw right back. Try using a little bit of sense. CRON has been proven to extend life and increase muscle mass in animal test subjects. The scientific consensus is that it is the only diet that does this. Research it for yourself before you decide to start planning your nutrition around the advice of another snake oil salesman.
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you're missing my point. You went from a diet propounded by supplement hucksters to one advocated by some dude looking for attention on a message board. and now you're going to see-saw right back. Try using a little bit of sense. CRON has been proven to extend life and increase muscle mass in animal test subjects. The scientific consensus is that it is the only diet that does this. Research it for yourself before you decide to start planning your nutrition around the advice of another snake oil salesman.
I tried both diets.
Bodybuilding diet/ high protein= got great results
then did adonis principles= got weak, stopped growing, lost muscle, only lost a little fat.
Its plain logic, not only milos has no use of promoting a high-protein diet, why would he?
But i got myself as proof that Pro-bb diet is the way to go.
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I tried both diets.
Bodybuilding diet/ high protein= got great results
then did adonis principles= got weak, stopped growing, lost muscle, only lost a little fat.
Its plain logic, not only milos has no use of promoting a high-protein diet, why would he?
But i got myself as proof that Pro-bb diet is the way to go.
you were fatter before. I don't see how that qualifies as 'great results'.
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Its plain logic, not only milos has no use of promoting a high-protein diet, why would he?
he profits from the sale of protein powder idiot
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you were fatter before. I don't see how that qualifies as 'great results'.
Bast why are these people so deluded?
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You guys are stupid beyond belief. You should use common sence.
Look at the facts
Protein is the only source that will build muscle
If you eat 6000 calories a day only carbs and fat you will not gain a ounce of muscle. zero.
This got nothing to do with promoting protein, all facts.
Like milos said:
When building a house:
protein--> material
carbs/fat''energy'' --> working men
So if you dont have any material, what use is it to have 100 working men, they will not build anything.
If you got enough material(protein) just 2 guys will build a mansion in a period of time.
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You guys are stupid beyond belief. You should use common sence.
Look at the facts
Protein is the only source that will build muscle
If you eat 6000 calories a day only carbs and fat you will not gain a ounce of muscle. zero.
This got nothing to do with promoting protein, all facts.
Like milos said:
When building a house:
protein--> material
carbs/fat''energy'' --> working men
So if you dont have any material, what use is it to have 100 working men, they will not build anything.
If you got enough material(protein) just 2 guys will build a mansion in a period of time.
the saddest part is that Milos doesn't even have to pay these idiots to shill his products. All he has to do is exploit their suggestibility and lack of reasoning ability.
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Disaster after following the TA principles!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=154295.0
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You guys are stupid beyond belief. You should use common sence.
Look at the facts
Protein is the only source that will build muscle
If you eat 6000 calories a day only carbs and fat you will not gain a ounce of muscle. zero.
This got nothing to do with promoting protein, all facts.
Like milos said:
When building a house:
protein--> material
carbs/fat''energy'' --> working men
So if you dont have any material, what use is it to have 100 working men, they will not build anything.
If you got enough material(protein) just 2 guys will build a mansion in a period of time.
The problem with your post here is that you never quantify the amount of protein needed, no precision. All you say is that protein = needed.
Unless you quantify exactly how much protein you think is needed, your entire post = worthless.
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The problem with your post here is that you never quantify the amount of protein needed, no precision. All you say is that protein = needed.
Unless you quantify exactly how much protein you think is needed, your entire post = worthless.
the more the merrier, Milos sells this shit by the bucket
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the more the merrier, Milos sells this shit by the bucket
Unfortunately, the "the more the merrier" school of thought can actually fit into El M.'s reasoning.
That = very sad, and another proof that "common sense" = often very stupid.
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proof that "common sense" = often very stupid.
well most people have stupidity in common
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well most people have stupidity in common
Not this guy:
(http://www.nndb.com/people/848/000022782/gary.jpg)
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Not this guy:
(http://www.nndb.com/people/848/000022782/gary.jpg)
There's nothing common about GB
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There's nothing common about GB
:)
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how many grams of protein does TA recommend?
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as much as your boyfriend can ejaculate into your mouth
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(http://howardstern.com/dtcms/img/Artie-s-Dream.JPG)
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why would I have to demonstrate it with my physique. I think Zane showed pretty clearly that low calories produce an awesome physique. Serge Nubret proved that one meal a day works fine. You know this Jeff, so stop responding to me for everyone else's benefit when you and I both know you're full of shit. What's the point of winning an argument if you know that you had to cheat to do it, that can't be very satisfying if you have self-respect.
yes but the fact that those guys were on Vitamin S changes everything.
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haha i laugh that there are actually people who follow 'adonis' and his 'principles', hahaha proof that there are people who will follow anyone.
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The problem with your post here is that you never quantify the amount of protein needed, no precision. All you say is that protein = needed.
Unless you quantify exactly how much protein you think is needed, your entire post = worthless.
I never count calories or grams of protein. Now i just make sure i eat protein often 6 out of 8 small meals a day should contain protein. you should eat 1,5 g of protein per 1 pound of bodyweight.
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I never count calories or grams of protein. Now i just make sure i eat protein ofren 6 out of 8 small meals a day should contain protein. you should eat 1,5 g of protein per 1 pound of bodyweight.
If you don't count calories, you = an idiot.
1,5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight = insane.
Milos sold you your brain on a foodplate.
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1 gram of protein per 1 pound of bodyweight is recommended for general people who dont even workout.
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yes but the fact that those guys were on Vitamin S changes everything.
this was taken last year I was probably eating 1800 cals per day. I don't think I lost any muscle
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=126707.0;attach=141882;image)
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1 gram of protein per 1 pound of bodyweight is recommended for general people who dont even workout.
Wrong. There has never been a recommendation like that.
When calories = the diet - variable that has the biggest impact on your training, why do you not count them? Protein = meaningless if you do not have a long term plan for your calories.
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Wrong. There has never been a recommendation like that.
When calories = the diet - variable that has the biggest impact on your training, why do you not count them? Protein = meaningless if you do not have a long term plan for your calories.
Nobody is talking about training here, thats not the issue.
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Nobody is talking about training here, thats not the issue.
Wrong.
We = discussing diet in conjunction with bodybuillding, which includes the deliberate manipulation of ones body composition via training, as well as a desire to get stronger (for most BBs).
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Wrong. There has never been a recommendation like that.
Protein = meaningless if you do not have a long term plan for your calories.
Dumbest post about nutritiens i read so far,, on my 5 year getbig journey.
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Wrong.
We = discussing diet in conjunction with bodybuillding, which includes the deliberate manipulation of ones body composition via training, as well as a desire to get stronger (for most BBs).
You are making this harder than it is, i just eat some bread before training to have some energy, and drink orange-juice during training. There is no intelectual words needed to discuss that on getbig to sound clever.
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Dumbest post about nutritiens i read so far,, on my 5 year getbig journey.
Name: EL Mariachi
Posts: 2903 (2.993 per day)
Position: Getbig IV
Date Registered: April 18, 2005, 05:40:14 PM
Last Active: Today at 02:58:03 PM
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Dumbest post about nutritiens i read so far,, on my 5 year getbig journey.
Do you believe that the daily grams of protein you eat has a bigger impact on your body composition and training progress than the long term control over calories? ::)
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Name: EL Mariachi
Posts: 2903 (2.993 per day)
Position: Getbig IV
Date Registered: April 18, 2005, 05:40:14 PM
Last Active: Today at 02:58:03 PM
You must be a noob, a lot of folks here had to open a new account , cause for some reason the old account stops working.
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Do you believe that the daily grams of protein you eat has a bigger impact on your body composition and training progress than the long term control over calories? ::)
No matter how good your training is, if you dont feed the body right , its useless. So yes protein is more important.
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this was taken last year I was probably eating 1800 cals per day. I don't think I lost any muscle
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=126707.0;attach=141882;image)
If you had any to begin with, then surely you lost it all. I see no appreciable muscle in that photo.
It was admitted in a thread that the "principles" were all a joke. How it was missed by so many is beyond me. Perhaps it was because it was posted on a low traffic forum.
Regardless, all one has to do is look through Adonis' posts to see the type of diet he actually follows.
The joke isn't that bodybuilders are dumb and think they need to eat shitty tasting food to get lean. The joke has always been that people are so urged to follow something that they'll latch on to even the most absurd idea.
Case in point: the "principles."
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mariachi...
waht do you look like again? if I recall you're neither big nor are you cut yet you run your mouth like you're charles glass meets chris aceto....
either your a gimmick trying to stir up trouble or your an idiot...well, you could be both.
fighting with people doesn't make you right....
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No matter how good your training is, if you dont feed the body right , its useless.
Are you a retard or something?
Feeding the body "right" starts with the amount of calories you eat, not with the grams of protein. That = the main issue here. You can not burn fat effectively without calorie control, and you can not gain muscle effectively without calorie control, and you can not burn fat and gain muscle at the same time for an extended amount of time anyway.
Neither fat burning nor muscle building = possible without a deficit or surplus of calories, regardless of your protein intake.
Eating lots of protein on a calorie deficit won't enable you to gain muscle, eating lots of protein on a calorie surplus won't allow you to drop down in BF over time.
In other words, calorie control is the key that allows for training progress, wheter it is done deliberately (the smart way), or by ones normal non conscious behavioural patterns (big eaters tends to get big, because they eat many calories).
Protein counting = basically worthless without calorie control.
"Good eating" in the BB land = therefore dependant on the daily energy intake, with protein being a minor factor. Counting protein without calories = therefore a big mistake.
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mariachi...
waht do you look like again? if I recall you're neither big nor are you cut yet you run your mouth like you're charles glass meets chris aceto....
either your a gimmick trying to stir up trouble or your an idiot...well, you could be both.
fighting with people doesn't make you right....
Im just expressing my thoughts, dont sweat it
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DF, I haven't had a protein shake in about 8 months, I quit all supplements 2 months ago
I haven't noticed the difference..there are truth in your words
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Protein is a must. It has a huge role in loosing fat and building muscle. ( and im not talkin about that at the same time debussey)
Like i said calories dont build muscle , protein does. But ofcourse you will need to eat more calories then you use, im not arguing that at all.
If calories build muscle, we could just eat popcorn and drink beer or things like that, and build muscle tissue. Saddly it doesnt work like that.
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Protein is a must. It has a huge role in loosing fat and building muscle. ( and im not talkin about that at the same time debussey)
Like i said calories dont build muscle , protein does. But ofcourse you will need to eat more calories then you use, im not arguing that at all.
If calories build muscle, we could just eat popcorn or things like that, and build muscle tissue. Saddly it doesnt work like that.
Arguing with your limited ability to understand = worthless.
Debussey will chop your head clean off.
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Arguing with your limited ability to understand = worthless.
Debussey will chop your head clean off.
I guess you and natural al are huge, care to post pics? or are you ashamed of your looks?
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I guess you and natural al are huge, care to post pics? or are you ashamed of your looks?
(http://www.nndb.com/people/848/000022782/gary.jpg)
It has been a long time since Debussey has seen a person as dumb as you. You seem to be unable to graps the relationships between very simple concepts. Scary.
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DF, I haven't had a protein shake in about 8 months, I quit all supplements 2 months ago
I haven't noticed the difference..there are truth in your words
suppliments and 'protein shakes' are worthless snake oil, its all a scam. that money is better spent on steak, salmon and potatos.
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Have fun eating 1.5 Hostess cupcakes and 6 oz of milk for meal number 3 and 3/4 can of Chef Boyardi spaghetti with meatballs with 3 oz grape Kool-Aid for meal 4. ::)
that sounds awesome. :D
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(http://www.nndb.com/people/848/000022782/gary.jpg)
It has been a long time since Debussey has seen a person as dumb as you. You seem to be unable to graps the relationships between very simple concepts. Scary.
I woke up when will debussey? :D
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I woke up when will debussey? :D
What did you wake up from? Embracing reality? :D
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this was taken last year I was probably eating 1800 cals per day. I don't think I lost any muscle
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=126707.0;attach=141882;image)
Exactly....you can only THINK. Epic sucking your stomach in.
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Please get TA to stop being mean to me. :(
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I don't think I lost any muscle
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=126707.0;attach=141882;image)
thank god cause from the looks of it you dont have much to lose.
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What happens on the adonis diet:
- you slow down you metabolism
- you lose muscle tissue
- you gain more fat longterm
- you look like shit on this diet
- you lack the most important and only'' building block'' protein
- not healthy
It could work for some genetically blessed folks, but for 90 % people i wouldnt advise it.
The adonis PRinciple also says'' if you lift, you cant lose muscle, no matter what and how much you eat'' hahahah how the hell did i believe this crap.
Adonis is also chemically enchanced. So a lot of catabolism can be prevented with small a.s. dosages.
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thank god cause from the looks of it you dont have much to lose.
post a comparison pic and show us how a huge "natural" BBer looks.
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It always seems that guy are more willing to cheat and lie to prove their methods work, than to actall yfigure out what works. (Mentzer etc)