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sergio was the most massive old school bodybuilder!no doubt about that, but his looks resembeles more that of a powerlifter in good shape than a bodybuilder.....
I think it was i jon hoitens muscle book i read that arnold tricked him at an olympia???the posed and it was a close race so arnold said lets finish and go back stage...than arnold ran back out and posed some more and won the show.....any oldtimers or historians who can confirm this story?
peace
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Read this.
http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?topic=2340.0
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sergio was the most massive old school bodybuilder!no doubt about that, but his looks resembeles more that of a powerlifter in good shape than a bodybuilder.....
I think it was i jon hoitens muscle book i read that arnold tricked him at an olympia???the posed and it was a close race so arnold said lets finish and go back stage...than arnold ran back out and posed some more and won the show.....any oldtimers or historians who can confirm this story?
peace
I hate this BS, its always obvious within the first 10 mins of people posing together who is going to win, all this tricks to win stuff is Crap.
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sergio was the most massive old school bodybuilder!no doubt about that, but his looks resembeles more that of a powerlifter in good shape than a bodybuilder.....
I think it was i jon hoitens muscle book i read that arnold tricked him at an olympia???the posed and it was a close race so arnold said lets finish and go back stage...than arnold ran back out and posed some more and won the show.....any oldtimers or historians who can confirm this story?
peace
actually, his shape is more 'bber' than arnold ie x frame (classic mesomorph if you believe in somatotypes) with thick full muscle bellies.
biggest problem with sergio is that he was born black. apart from that, arnold was much smarter and had a great business acumen.
arnold lost his first big comp in usa to zane because he believed that the bigger bber should win. the result of that comp was, the more cut zane won and arnold listened to the judges and made sure he'd never lose again on that philosophy.
with sergio, unfortunately for him he always believed he had some divine right to win because he could never accept that anyone had a better physique than him. thus he never came in as cut as arnold, which was just what the ifbb needed to make sure arnold remained on top (he was just more marketable than sergio as shitty as that sounds).
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sergio was the most massive old school bodybuilder!no doubt about that, but his looks resembeles more that of a powerlifter in good shape than a bodybuilder.....
I think it was i jon hoitens muscle book i read that arnold tricked him at an olympia???the posed and it was a close race so arnold said lets finish and go back stage...than arnold ran back out and posed some more and won the show.....any oldtimers or historians who can confirm this story?
peace
Yes, it's true. Sergio himself has confirmed this, but in the same breath has said it's bullshit that people thought he had "given up". Sergio also expressed that was NOT the reason he lost because of Arnold's so-called trick.
This incident was actually caught on tape at the '70 Olympia and can be seen on GMV's DVD, Arnold: The Early Years.
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someone, somewhere, has to have these old olympias on tape. anyone have a list of the actual full, or near-full olympias that are available?
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Read this.
http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?topic=2340.0
just read it.
i didn't even think that this was in contention. it is completely consistant with everything i've seen and read of arnold. hell, even watching pumping iron will tell you this much. arnold was a typical highly competitive athlete that used everything he had at his disposal to win, including his wit. how about what he was saying in reference to franco about mind fucking him in the prep or breakfast with lou, the "it's not your year this time lou. you haven't peaked. you'll be better in another year but then, so will i..." or words to that effect. then lou's dad saying, "you are the king of kings, arnold." lol, was i the only one noticing lou shot down in flames right there? ;D
it's like how ali did all that shit talking and posturing with liston, frazier and foreman. he knew exactly how to taunt these guys simply because he thought outside the box and realised that psychology is a very powerful weapon in sports.
i'm not morally justifying waht arnold did any more than ali calling frasier an 'uncle tom (for his being managed by whites, as if ali didn't start his pro career exactly in that fashion), liston an ugly gorrilla or insighting africans to keep chanting "ali, boombayae" (translates to ali kill him) and, by fight night, every african in africa wanted to see foreman die and he knew it.
or bernard hopkins throwing the puerto rican flag on the ground in front of felix trinnidad before their mw title bout which was pretty ballsy considering hops was in puerto rica at the time (hyping the fight) in front of thousands.
psychology is the weapon not to be ignored if you want to be the best.
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As i've said many times, most of Arnold's claims about psyching out others is just rhetoric, told and retold well after the fact because as we see here, many still buy it true or not. It's easy to be guillible when none of the other BBs of the day effectively communicated or refuted what is to this day largely unproven BS.
Perception > reality.
Especially when the other BBs were a bunch of stiffs when it came to communicating. Easy pickings for master marketers Weider and his excellent student, who were in an altogether different league from the other guys. The smarter BBs who never went for the crap weren't shown in Pumping Iron (no coincidence)-guys in the '80 Olympia like Dickerson, Mentzer, etc., others like Pearl.
Add to that the fact that he was white, that the contest decisions were largely preordained and you have something akin to wrestling, including Arnold's BS.
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As i've said many times, most of Arnold's claims about psyching out others is just rhetoric, told and retold well after the fact because as we see here, many still buy it true or not, and none of the other BBs of the day effectively communicated or refuted what is largely unproven BS.
Perception > reality.
Especially when the other BBs were a bunch of stiffs when it came to communicating. Easy pickings.
Add to that the fact that he was white, that the contest decisions were largely preordained and you have something akin to wrestling, including Arnold's BS.
i agree that alot of decisions in bbing are suspect, and one can get away with a possibly unjust decision by saying reason A or reason B gave him the edge over competitor A or B. but it was so close between arnold and sergio, u really could give those reasons with it being justified. thats bbing. like it or lump it
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i agree that alot of decisions in bbing are suspect, and one can get away with a possibly unjust decision by saying reason A or reason B gave him the edge over competitor A or B. but it was so close between arnold and sergio, u really could give those reasons with it being justified. thats bbing. like it or lump it
Agreed, very close in which case all the intanbiles made a difference. In more neutral contests it would've been different, less predictable. In which case i think Sergio enters the Olympia in '73 and '74, as Arnold expected him to, which was clearly why he was in his best shape for those shows.
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To say nothing of the fact that 2 black BBers hold the all time win record.
Sergio was in worse shape than Arnold every year and Arnold outmassed him.
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To say nothing of the fact that 2 black BBers hold the all time win record.
Sergio was in worse shape than Arnold every year and Arnold outmassed him.
No idea where that came from; in '72 Oliva was in better shape and bigger, based on superior waist to lat, waist to shoulder, waist to quad and waist to arm ratios. Thus the general concensus to this day that he was unfairly denied that year.
After that he never entered the Olympia in his prime, challenged Schwarzenegger directly while on stage in a neutral show that Arnold refused to compete in.
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After that he never entered the Olympia, challenged Schwarzenegger directly while on stage in a neutral show that Arnold refused to compete in.
Sergio did enter the Mr. Olympia much later. I don't know what years though.
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Sergio did enter the Mr. Olympia much later. I don't know what years though.
Mid-80s when he was 63. Something like Joe Lewis against Marciano.
Haney never wins an Olympia against Oliva or Schwarzenegger in their primes.
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After that he never entered the Olympia in his prime
I see what you did there. ;D
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I see what you did there. ;D
Well someone's on my ass, i thought it was ND sniffin round. :P
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Mid-80s when he was 63. Something like Joe Lewis against Marciano.
Haney never wins an Olympia against Oliva or Schwarzenegger in their primes.
He was 43.
Agreed that Haney blew. People talk about Jay's arms but Haney severely lacked arm size.
As far as Sergio's challenge, I believe Arnold was off-season and out of shape when the challenge occurred.
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sergio was the most massive old school bodybuilder!no doubt about that, but his looks resembeles more that of a powerlifter in good shape than a bodybuilder.....
I think it was i jon hoitens muscle book i read that arnold tricked him at an olympia???the posed and it was a close race so arnold said lets finish and go back stage...than arnold ran back out and posed some more and won the show.....any oldtimers or historians who can confirm this story?
peace
Arnold's a winner, and that's what winners do 8)
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Mid-80s when he was 63. Something like Joe Lewis against Marciano.
Haney never wins an Olympia against Oliva or Schwarzenegger in their primes.
LMFAO when he was 63 how stupid can you be? Sergio entered the 1984 Mr Olympia 43 years old and he was gifted 8th place , and he returned in 1985 and was gifted 8th place again .
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No idea where that came from; in '72 Oliva was in better shape and bigger, based on superior waist to lat, waist to shoulder, waist to quad and waist to arm ratios. Thus the general concensus to this day that he was unfairly denied that year.
After that he never entered the Olympia in his prime, challenged Schwarzenegger directly while on stage in a neutral show that Arnold refused to compete in.
You have the story wrong sport , we've been through this already , Sergio while at the contest challenged Arnold to a pose down , he was told he wanted his shot at Arnold to enter the Olympia , Sergio refused he wanted Arnold right there and then while he was contest ready and Arnold wasn't , Arnold wanted to accept the challenge Weider said NO if he wants you let him come to the Olympia , Franco Columbu accepted the challenge and went pose or pose with Sergio and at the end the promoter raised both their arms indicating it was a DRAW , the best he could manage was a draw with Franco and he's supposed to dominate Arnold lol great thinking . ::)
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actually, his shape is more 'bber' than arnold ie x frame (classic mesomorph if you believe in somatotypes) with thick full muscle bellies.
biggest problem with sergio is that he was born black. apart from that, arnold was much smarter and had a great business acumen.
arnold lost his first big comp in usa to zane because he believed that the bigger bber should win. the result of that comp was, the more cut zane won and arnold listened to the judges and made sure he'd never lose again on that philosophy.
with sergio, unfortunately for him he always believed he had some divine right to win because he could never accept that anyone had a better physique than him. thus he never came in as cut as arnold, which was just what the ifbb needed to make sure arnold remained on top (he was just more marketable than sergio as shitty as that sounds).
He was never conditioned or cut like Arnie and he had size over Sergio.
Not only was Arnold more marketable but he was the better bodybuilder.
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He was never conditioned or cut like Arnie and he had size over Sergio.
Not only was Arnold more marketable but he was the better bodybuilder.
yes folks its that simple ! Arnold learned from his defeats Sergio didn't.
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You have the story wrong sport , we've been through this already , Sergio while at the contest challenged Arnold to a pose down , he was told he wanted his shot at Arnold to enter the Olympia , Sergio refused he wanted Arnold right there and then while he was contest ready and Arnold wasn't , Arnold wanted to accept the challenge Weider said NO if he wants you let him come to the Olympia , Franco Columbu accepted the challenge and went pose or pose with Sergio and at the end the promoter raised both their arms indicating it was a DRAW , the best he could manage was a draw with Franco and he's supposed to dominate Arnold lol great thinking . ::)
pics please! :)
some shots from the 72 olympia...
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Man, Sergio is blowing away Arnold with his Munzer like condition. ::) Those back shots show Sergio was clearly lacking in cuts and condition. If tiny waists and big arms were the only criteria for a Mr. Olympia win then Haney would have lost and guys like Flex and Robby would have a ton of wins.
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Arnold showing much better separation & detail from the back
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sergio had a thick back, maybe thicker than arnolds, but it comes off as smooth and undefined, which costs him points in a bbing contest.
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This thread is giving me the urge to pull out yet another Muscle Builder/Power issue of mine and post the report on the '72 Olympia.
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do it!!! get to the scann-ahhhhhh!!
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sergio had a thick back, maybe thicker than arnolds, but it comes off as smooth and undefined, which costs him points in a bbing contest.
Another thing that costs Sergio is the way he poses , he poses way to fast and barely holds it for any length of time.
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do it!!! get to the scann-ahhhhhh!!
LOL...I'll see if I get to it tomorrow.
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Another thing that costs Sergio is the way he poses , he poses way to fast and barely holds it for any length of time.
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Another thing that costs Sergio is the way he poses , he poses way to fast and barely holds it for any length of time.
Which had the crowd begging for more! ;)
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Which had the crowd begging for more! ;)
The crowd doesn't judge contests ;)
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Man, Sergio is blowing away Arnold with his Munzer like condition. ::) Those back shots show Sergio was clearly lacking in cuts and condition. If tiny waists and big arms were the only criteria for a Mr. Olympia win then Haney would have lost and guys like Flex and Robby would have a ton of wins.
Frenchie beats both in conditioning
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Their was no contest in 72, Essen Germany. Sergio won by a mile but arnie blew uncle joe back stage for the win, everyone knows that. Besides Joe knew he could puppet Arnie for his new poster child.
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Sergio's back reminds me of Dillet's. Not as bad but similar shape and look. Like a concave shape if that makes sense. Shallow. In the rear double, relaxed looks better.
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Arnolds bigger and more cut, why is there any debate here?? ::) And his physique is the more pleasing to look at
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Arnolds bigger and more cut, why is there any debate here?? ::) And his physique is the more pleasing to look at
Because sergio looked better, arnie had sloped shoulders, no forearms, over developed chest, under developed tris and a thick blocky waist. Sergio was the total package and lost because of politics- I would guess thats where the debate arises
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Arnold was much better on-stage.
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The crowd doesn't judge contests ;)
Touché! :D
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Arnold was much better on-stage.
Which shows were you at.. ::)
Arnolds bigger and more cut, why is there any debate here??
Talk about misinformed/blind..he was taller, not bigger.
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Because sergio looked better, arnie had sloped shoulders, no forearms, over developed chest, under developed tris and a thick blocky waist. Sergio was the total package and lost because of politics- I would guess thats where the debate arises
Total package would include conditioning and separation , more to winning bodybuilding contests than just a great base.
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This is a great , all time OLympia match up and like the 2007 O, was very close. Sergio had fuller rounder muscle bellys ,better thigh sweep and overall mass , width and thickness with a smaller waist.
Arnold was sharper , with lot better seperation overall. Plus, Arnold posed a lot better than Sergio ,look at the lousy back lat pose Sergio did, hardly showing the incredible lats he really had. The fact that Arnold may have got over on Sergio by tricking him to leave the stage early, is the stuff of bodybuilding lore and legend...who knows what the real truth is.
The Olympia was held in Essen ,Germany that yr , not far from Arnold's home of Graz , Austria.It is doubtful Arnold would have lost a close call on his hime turf that year.
The 1970 IFBB Mr World is one show where Sergio clearly was better than Arnold but still lost.
It was on ABC's wide world of sports, in prime time when I was 12 years old. Anyone have any pics of that?
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The 1970 IFBB Mr World is one show where Sergio clearly was better than Arnold but still lost.
It was on ABC's wide world of sports, in prime time when I was 12 years old. Anyone have any pics of that?
Yup. In my vintage muscle mags collection.
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Because sergio looked better, arnie had sloped shoulders, no forearms, over developed chest, under developed tris and a thick blocky waist. Sergio was the total package and lost because of politics- I would guess thats where the debate arises
Lol. Sergio can't pose, was smaller, and did not have the cuts and condition to match Arnold. Lat spread is atrocious and like ND said, Sergio was like Flex, resting on his laurels and thinking he deserved to win without coming in with the best package. Arnold hid his flaws and you don't get arms over 20 inches with underdeveloped triceps. Try again.
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Lol. Sergio can't pose, was smaller, and did not have the cuts and condition to match Arnold. Lat spread is atrocious and like ND said, Sergio was like Flex, resting on his laurels and thinking he deserved to win without coming in with the best package. Arnold hid his flaws and you don't get arms over 20 inches with underdeveloped triceps. Try again.
We can agree on 1 thing then, you cant get arms over 20 inches with underdeveloped tris. I guess thats why arthur jones measured them at just over 19" ;)
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We can agree on 1 thing then, you cant get arms over 20 inches with underdeveloped tris. I guess thats why arthur jones measured them at just over 19" ;)
Lol. Oh, brother. Yeah, Jones, Sergio's trainer, showed that Sergio was the one with the biggest arms. Go figure. I wonder why Arnold's flexed arm looks much better and the same size if not bigger onstage.
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arnold vs sergio
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Lol. Oh, brother. Yeah, Jones, Sergio's trainer, showed that Sergio was the one with the biggest arms. Go figure. I wonder why Arnold's flexed arm looks much better and the same size if not bigger onstage.
Jones measured everyone that trained with him, I guess he was out to get arnie and lied about his arm size. No doubt his left arm was 19 ish, it has no peak and you never see him flex it straight on. Arnie had a tall peak, thats about all.
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Lol. Oh, brother. Yeah, Jones, Sergio's trainer, showed that Sergio was the one with the biggest arms. Go figure. I wonder why Arnold's flexed arm looks much better and the same size if not bigger onstage.
hmmm, why do people speak with such authority on subjects they don't know of?
many top bbers of the day visited and stayed at arthur's ranch, including sergio, arnold and franco. there are pics of all of them training and posing at his ranch.
arthur only trained sergio for a brief time. if anything, it would have been in arthur's best interest to exaggerate the measurements of one of the guys he did actually regularly train, casey viator.
in pics taken at the ranch, with casey's flexed arm next to arnold's, casey's actually look slightly bigger, but then he is shorter. in any case, arthur measured arnold's right flexed arm at 19.8 inches and he openly stated that casey's flexed right arm was 19.5 inches, that being less than arnold. if arthur jones was a liar (there was nothing he detested more than a liar. he probably would have pistol whipped you like he did roy callender if you called him that) he could have easily got away with claiming casey's arm was bigger than arnold's.
some of you guys are really showing your ignorance re the musculoskeletal system here, because if you knew shit from shinola about what comprises the most size of the upper arm, you would know that the triceps comprise 3/4 of the total volume of a flexed upper arm and sergio's triceps were far bigger than arnold's. as for the bis, it's hard to tell because of the differences in condition and sergio's lack of peak (compared to arnold).
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Jones measured everyone that trained with him, I guess he was out to get arnie and lied about his arm size. No doubt his left arm was 19 ish, it has no peak and you never see him flex it straight on. Arnie had a tall peak, thats about all.
Actually Schwarzenegger had pretty good triceps size, it's just that many don't understand anatomy and are fooled in the same way many are with Coleman. In both cases the biceps were so outrageous so as to distract from the good triceps size. Part of the misperception is based on the fact that in both cases they lacked extreme triceps definition that would've hilighted the size better.
It's clear that Oliva and Schwarzenegger had about the same absolute arm measurement despite a Jones measurement that might've been suspect given the acrimony between he and Weider.
The absolute size was about the same, in terms of size relative to structure and height Oliva had the edge. Schwarzenegger had a clear advantage in refinement and separation.
The pictures make it clear that the absolute measurements were very close. In the second shot Arnold's arms are at an angle. Good triceps size on both guys.
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Actually Schwarzenegger had pretty good triceps size, it's just that many don't understand anatomy and are fooled in the same way many are with Coleman. In both cases the biceps were so outrageous so as to distract from the good triceps size. Part of the misperception is based on the fact that in both cases they lacked extreme triceps definition, but not size.
It's clear that Oliva and Schwarzenegger had about the same absolute arm measurement despite a Jones measurement that might've been suspect given the acrimony between he and Weider. The absolute size was about the same, in terms of size relative to structure and height Oliva had the edge.
actually it's not clear and your post appears more speculative than substantive.
each of these bbers had competely different arms.
sergio's bis and tris were much fuller and longer, but it's plain to see (imo) that, at his peak, his tris were bigger.
of course i am speculating too, so off to find evidence that comes from someone who actually met both men and measured their arms in front of numerous people, including franco columbu (who was arnold's best friend and would see for himself if the fix was in.
caey viator was the protege arthur was propping up as evidence of his hit advantages over volume training favoured by the weider bbers. if any arm measurement was to be supected it was his, but arthur openly declared that arnold had the bigger arm.
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Because sergio looked better, arnie had sloped shoulders, no forearms, over developed chest, under developed tris and a thick blocky waist. Sergio was the total package and lost because of politics- I would guess thats where the debate arises
Yeh a thick blocky waist of 28inches, very good ........
If you wana talk about proportions then Sergios dont quite match up.If Arnold has an 'over developed chest', then id say Sergio is all arms and not much else in those pics.I wouldnt say over developed like you, but the rest of his body doesnt match up.
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I also think if Arnold decided to just keep getting bigger instead of being more defined ( when he lost to Zane ) he wouldve dwarfed Oliva. he looked enormous at 19 when he was all bulk and not much cuts :o
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actually it's not clear and your post appears more speculative than substantive.
each of these bbers had competely different arms.
sergio's bis and tris were much fuller and longer, but it's plain to see (imo) that, at his peak, his tris were bigger.
Actually you're speculating as much as anyone. Triceps are just under 2/3s of arm size, not 3/4s, a considerable difference. It didn't seem to occur to you to measure on the screen, so do it-that's more tangible and less speculative than anything you guess or i say. ;D There are precisely *zero* pics out there that show a huge difference in absolute arm size between them.
If Oliva's tris are assumed bigger, it's just as accurate to assume that Schwarzenegger's bis were bigger. Either you accept the premise of both or neither, since it's not easily proven in either case. Thus by visual and/or measurement bottom line is that it's quite a reasonable premise that the arms were about the same absolute size, as confirmed by the pics.
Plus Arnold was generally in better shape, with a striking advantage in arm definition. He could've just as easily gone back up to his former 250 lb. and had smooth arms like Oliva if he wanted more arm size. Oliva's arms were bigger in relative terms because of smaller wrists and less height.
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Yeh a thick blocky waist of 28inches, very good ........
If you wana talk about proportions then Sergios dont quite match up.If Arnold has an 'over developed chest', then id say Sergio is all arms and not much else in those pics.I wouldnt say over developed like you, but the rest of his body doesnt match up.
Ummm your a retard ::) Sergio was lucky if his waist was 28-29 inches and was much smaller than arnolds- by no means fat, just blocky and wide. Ok arnolds chest wasnt over developed, his body was a little under developed then :)
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Ok you got me there, i was mixed up becos Sergios was claimed to be 28inches, my mistake. :D
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How was his body 'under-developed' then???? Explain....
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Ummm your a retard ::) Sergio was lucky if his waist was 28-29 inches and was much smaller than arnolds- by no means fat, just blocky and wide. Ok arnolds chest wasnt over developed, his body was a little under developed then :)
Sergio's waist was smaller, but Arnold's was good relative to the lats and shoulder width. It's impossible to say who was better because they each had strengths the other didn't, whether some want to acknowledge it or not.
Anyone who unequivocally says one guy was better than the other is exercising personal bias. What makes the comparisons interesting is they they were so close in different ways.
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agree with pumpster, what a fascinating rivalry it must have been, if only they competed more against each other, and i was alive to see it ;D
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In my opinion Arnolds muscles were prettier or more shpely if you like that sort of thing and sergio had the freakyness wasp waist balloon arms sergios arms were so big if you made a figurine to scale it would fall over. Arnold went all out fpor size so when he got to 235 ijn shqape you can bet hed strugglke to get more muscle it wasn't in Arnolds nature to do anything by halves.
Sergios head was like a fuckin malteser too which made his arms and the rest of his body look even bigger and freakier. In the end though its apples and oranges.
The old story about the trick on stage arnold and his pet sardinian terrier had been trying to fuck with sergio all day,they asked him to go get some chips and ketchup before the show or the prejudge Im not sure which. On stage arnold told serge he was pissed off with posing down, he was ready to quot if serge was. Sergio reportedly walked off stage, arnold stayed and the crowd presumed he'd surenedered to arnold.
That's crap in my opinion I've met sergio and he isn't that dumb. He'd never let arnold gain the advantage like that. More to the point an audience wouldn't buy it, sergio just giving up especially against arnold. I think if you could trace half of the arnold legendss back to the source the source would be arnold himslef.
Arnolds a heck of a guy but like many sucessfull people he's a bullshit merchant. I've met him too by the way done the odd small biut of business with him and his reps. And take it from me he's the most fake person you'll ever meet. I don't think he even tries to be sincere these days doesn't really have to.
Not the kind of geezer I could have as a friend thats for sure.
Damy
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I also think if Arnold decided to just keep getting bigger instead of being more defined ( when he lost to Zane ) he wouldve dwarfed Oliva. he looked enormous at 19 when he was all bulk and not much cuts :o
Arnold 19 years old at the '66 NABBA Universe...
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(http://content8.flixster.com/photo/39/61/44/3961442_gal.jpg)
This was more of the younger Arnold i was meaning....
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(http://content8.flixster.com/photo/39/61/44/3961442_gal.jpg)
This was more of the younger Arnold i was meaning....
OK. Then that would be roughly 20-21 years old where he's posing at the Thal lake.
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I didn't read all the posts on here but I think it's pretty safe to say that Oliva got screwed going againts arnold. Arnold was just the right guy at the right time, don't get me wrong he was very, very good but I dont' think he realistically could have beaten sergio if all things were equal....I also don't think he would have beaten serge nubret in 75 had weider not told serge he couldn't compete but then let him once he lost 12lbs or however that story goes.
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Arnold was just the right guy at the right time, don't get me wrong he was very, very good but I dont' think he realistically could have beaten sergio if all things were equal....I also don't think he would have beaten serge nubret in 75 had weider not told serge he couldn't compete but then let him once he lost 12lbs or however that story goes.
When they were both at their best it was apples and oranges, no way to say who was better. Oliva was never in Arnold's 1973 condition, which by the way was probably inspired by the fact that Oliva was expected to enter the show. All through the 1970s and in to the 80s most of the top BBs left the IFBB & Weider thanks to politics, which of course distorted the Olympia results.
Which means that in more neutral shows they would've taken turns winning and losing, making for a more interesting rivalry that could've extended into the mid or late 70s.
Both Arnold and Oliva would beat Nubret, because of Nubret's more pronounced deficiencies and the fact that he was noticably smaller albeit still huge.
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In my opinion Arnolds muscles were prettier or more shpely if you like that sort of thing and sergio had the freakyness wasp waist balloon arms sergios arms were so big if you made a figurine to scale it would fall over. Arnold went all out fpor size so when he got to 235 ijn shqape you can bet hed strugglke to get more muscle it wasn't in Arnolds nature to do anything by halves.
Sergios head was like a fuckin malteser too which made his arms and the rest of his body look even bigger and freakier. In the end though its apples and oranges.
The old story about the trick on stage arnold and his pet sardinian terrier had been trying to fuck with sergio all day,they asked him to go get some chips and ketchup before the show or the prejudge Im not sure which. On stage arnold told serge he was pissed off with posing down, he was ready to quot if serge was. Sergio reportedly walked off stage, arnold stayed and the crowd presumed he'd surenedered to arnold.
That's crap in my opinion I've met sergio and he isn't that dumb. He'd never let arnold gain the advantage like that. More to the point an audience wouldn't buy it, sergio just giving up especially against arnold. I think if you could trace half of the arnold legendss back to the source the source would be arnold himslef.
Arnolds a heck of a guy but like many sucessfull people he's a bullshit merchant. I've met him too by the way done the odd small biut of business with him and his reps. And take it from me he's the most fake person you'll ever meet. I don't think he even tries to be sincere these days doesn't really have to.
Not the kind of geezer I could have as a friend thats for sure.
Damy
Agree on all counts, especially the parts in bold including the part about Arnold's persona, having seen him in person at a mid-70s Universe.
On Oliva and Nubret, it's really too bad they weren't featured in the movie version of Pumping Iron, to give it a more balanced, less Arnold-centric view but it was clearly a Weider production with none of the other bodybuilders featured being formidable personalities.
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Thank you pumpster Ive been on here on getbig a while now and no buggers answered me til now I don't think. Agree pumpin iron was no more than a showcase for arnold schwarzenegger veryone else is just a tool for him to play off. But lou and franco knew what he was like and it was very naive of them to take his direection in that film. Lets face it its a crap film which makes bbers look like dorky smart asses (arnolkd) or dunces (everybody else).
Infact Ive yet to see a documentary about bodybuilders that doesnt make them look silly and or boring and its their own fault. They dont seem to understand that only what the producer likes is gona make the edit and the producers/director pretty much know what the message or focus is gonna be before shootin begins.
I have me own dvds/videotapes out and i think they okay but thats because i was in charge. Im not gona make meSELF look stupid am I? ;D but these vids are usually some knob who wants to be a guru (stupid word)and a crowd of shitheads hangin on every word he says. Pumpin iron was no different but people wanted to see it because itd been hyped so much.
Its the same as that fuckin farce deep throat. hollywood A listers flocked to see it bevcausethey thought it was sophisticated. A woman with a clit in her throat. Thats how serious anyone wants to take pumpin iron.
Didnt do anything at all to make BBers look like anything but cretins.
Damy
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Thank you pumpster Ive been on here on getbig a while now and no buggers answered me til now I don't think. Agree pumpin iron was no more than a showcase for arnold schwarzenegger veryone else is just a tool for him to play off. But lou and franco knew what he was like and it was very naive of them to take his direection in that film. Lets face it its a crap film which makes bbers look like dorky smart asses (arnolkd) or dunces (everybody else).
Infact Ive yet to see a documentary about bodybuilders that doesnt make them look silly and or boring and its their own fault. They dont seem to understand that only what the producer likes is gona make the edit and the producers/director pretty much know what the message or focus is gonna be before shootin begins.
I have me own dvds/videotapes out and i think they okay but thats because i was in charge. Im not gona make meSELF look stupid am I? ;D but these vids are usually some knob who wants to be a guru (stupid word)and a crowd of shitheads hangin on every word he says. Pumpin iron was no different but people wanted to see it because itd been hyped so much.
Its the same as that fuckin farce deep throat. hollywood A listers flocked to see it bevcausethey thought it was sophisticated. A woman with a clit in her throat. Thats how serious anyone wants to take pumpin iron.
Didnt do anything at all to make BBers look like anything but cretins.
Damy
You've been registered for a month so I don't think you've been here that long but having met Arnold numerous times I would say your assessment of him is incorrect, at least based on my experience. If Arnold built himself into a legend, so be it. He did what worked for him and succeeded. All the other BBers today could take a page from him but they are just meat heads. There was/is more to him and he made a lasting name for himself. No other BBer is known outside that world the way Arnold is, white or black. Sergio who? Larry who?
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You've been registered for a month so I don't think you've been here that long but having met Arnold numerous times I would say your assessment of him is incorrect, at least based on my experience. If Arnold built himself into a legend, so be it. He did what worked for him and succeeded. All the other BBers today could take a page from him but they are just meat heads. There was/is more to him and he made a lasting name for himself. No other BBer is known outside that world the way Arnold is, white or black. Sergio who? Larry who?
How long he's been registered's irrelevant. What's true is that Schwarzenegger can be extremely charming, basically when he choses to be for whatever agenda's in front of him at the moment, and be just as obnoxious, usually when he feels there's no benefit to faking it. He has a loooong history of being a dick, among that 15 or so women including a BBC reporter who was interviewing him, and groping Robby Robinson's girlfriend at Gold's.
Both, not one or the other so no, he's not incorrect i've seen same.
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I'm referencing his post about being here a long time. Seems like a gimmick to me.
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Thank you pumpster Ive been on here on getbig a while now and no buggers answered me til now I don't think. Agree pumpin iron was no more than a showcase for arnold schwarzenegger veryone else is just a tool for him to play off. But lou and franco knew what he was like and it was very naive of them to take his direection in that film. Lets face it its a crap film which makes bbers look like dorky smart asses (arnolkd) or dunces (everybody else).
Infact Ive yet to see a documentary about bodybuilders that doesnt make them look silly and or boring and its their own fault. They dont seem to understand that only what the producer likes is gona make the edit and the producers/director pretty much know what the message or focus is gonna be before shootin begins.
I have me own dvds/videotapes out and i think they okay but thats because i was in charge. Im not gona make meSELF look stupid am I? ;D but these vids are usually some knob who wants to be a guru (stupid word)and a crowd of shitheads hangin on every word he says. Pumpin iron was no different but people wanted to see it because itd been hyped so much.
Its the same as that fuckin farce deep throat. hollywood A listers flocked to see it bevcausethey thought it was sophisticated. A woman with a clit in her throat. Thats how serious anyone wants to take pumpin iron.
Didnt do anything at all to make BBers look like anything but cretins.
Damy
u dont like arnold much, huh. imo, he's portrated as smart, anything-to-win, charismatic, easy to get along with, and true to his friends. a dork, hardly. he was the top bber in the world for years in 75, no wonder the guy is confident. he knew what it took to win, and to sell videos.
from what i remember of pumping iron, it's played out to make it a good guy/bad guy/underdog type film. as we know, some of the comments were made up to help it sell. its hardly 100% truthful, so i wouldnt take everything u see as fact.
i dont blame arnold for turning his charm on and off when he needs to. lets face it, no one is nice/friendly all the time and to everyone. we all have good and bad days, as lets face it... most of the guys act differently around women (i.e. turn charms on). why would arnold be any different, except he did it when it helps his reputation and/or gaining money. but i firmly believe that the guy has a very good heart. just look at the charity work he's done with the special olympics, and what his costars have said of him in the various movies he's done.
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arnold was smart and saw pumping iron as a vehicle that he needed to be on.
that's the thing when it comes to guys like sergio and lou. these guys just want to talk about themselves and how big their arms are etc etc (well, in lou's case, his dad did all the talking for him. lou hardly made eye contact with the camera the whole film - stupid).
arnold realised that the general public don't give a shit about diet, exercises etc. they want to hear stuff like how 'pumping up is like cumming'? arnold knew how to think outside himself and put himself into watcher's mind. what did they want from the film.
the rest of the guys just didn't seem to know how to relax. it came across as they were either arrogant ('who is this pencil neck with a camera in my face?'), dumb as a box of hammers (ferrigno and katz) or manipulative and conceited (waller).
imo there should have been a series of doccos like pumping iron where the audience got to know the personalities a bit better. i have no idea why they didn't put guys like nubret or michalik in the film. would have great to have seen serge/michalik in the gym, maybe some footage from nubret's homeland like they did columbu's.
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arnold was smart and saw pumping iron as a vehicle that he needed to be on.
that's the thing when it comes to guys like sergio and lou. these guys just want to talk about themselves and how big their arms are etc etc (well, in lou's case, his dad did all the talking for him. lou hardly made eye contact with the camera the whole film - stupid).
arnold realised that the general public don't give a shit about diet, exercises etc. they want to hear stuff like how 'pumping up is like cumming'? arnold knew how to think outside himself and put himself into watcher's mind. what did they want from the film.
the rest of the guys just didn't seem to know how to relax. it came across as they were either arrogant ('who is this pencil neck with a camera in my face?'), dumb as a box of hammers (ferrigno and katz) or manipulative and conceited (waller).
imo there should have been a series of doccos like pumping iron where the audience got to know the personalities a bit better. i have no idea why they didn't put guys like nubret or michalik in the film. would have great to have seen serge/michalik in the gym, maybe some footage from nubret's homeland like they did columbu's.
Patially it was Arnold's smarts, but it was also the savvy of the producers Butler & Gaines as well as master marketer Weider guiding, pulling the strings as to how to most effectively construct and market this film, as it was in their mutual interest to do so.
The Whitney exhibition for example, afforded excellent publicity to an upper-echelon NY crowd. Butler and Gaine's idea, not Arnold's.
We'll never know behind the scenes why other smarter BBs weren't interviewed, but i suspect it was equal parts desire to make it a star vehicle and also the fact that it clearly became a Weider movie, unlike the book, thus other worthwhile BBs were excluded.
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u dont like arnold much, huh. imo, he's portrated as smart, anything-to-win, charismatic, easy to get along with, and true to his friends. a dork, hardly. he was the top bber in the world for years in 75, no wonder the guy is confident. he knew what it took to win, and to sell videos.
from what i remember of pumping iron, it's played out to make it a good guy/bad guy/underdog type film. as we know, some of the comments were made up to help it sell. its hardly 100% truthful, so i wouldnt take everything u see as fact.
i dont blame arnold for turning his charm on and off when he needs to. lets face it, no one is nice/friendly all the time and to everyone. we all have good and bad days, as lets face it... most of the guys act differently around women (i.e. turn charms on). why would arnold be any different, except he did it when it helps his reputation and/or gaining money. but i firmly believe that the guy has a very good heart. just look at the charity work he's done with the special olympics, and what his costars have said of him in the various movies he's done.
You're funny...the guy doesn't worship Arnold's nutz the way you do therefore he doesn't like him LOL
FYI the charity work is de rigeur for celebs, doesn't necessarily indicate anything.
As far as "acting differently around women" nice try, most other dudes weren't busy groping, including Robby Robinson's wife/girlfriend's tits right in the middle of Gold's LOL
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Partially it was Arnold's smarts, but it was also the savvy of the producers Butler & Gaines as well as master marketer Weider guiding, pulling the strings as to how to most effectively construct and market this film, as it was in their mutual interest to do so.
The Whitney exhibition for example, afforded excellent publicity to an upper-echelon NY crowd. Butler and Gaine's idea, not Arnold's.
We'll never know behind the scenes why other smarter BBs weren't interviewed, but i suspect it was equal parts desire to make it a star vehicle and also the fact that it clearly became a Weider movie, unlike the book, thus other worthwhile BBs were excluded.
yes, it did emphasize arnold, but katz, columbu and ferrigno got a fair amount of attention too.
arnold was obviously the alpha dog and that suited everyone. maybe guys who wouldn't kiss his ass (nubret) and others who would compete with him for alpha territory (michalik) were purposefully avoided so as to make arnold shine more.
it was an ingenious effort and the guys that saw the potential (arnold, butler, weider) reaped the rewards.
i know lou, with hindsight, blames his dad for making him look like a retard, but imo he would have still come off like a dopey overgrown kid. he would have latched on to someone else (like hank maybe) in his absence and come across exactly the same.
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OK. Then that would be roughly 20-21 years old where he's posing at the Thal lake.
Ok, thanx for correcting me :)
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You're funny...the guy doesn't worship Arnold's nutz the way you do therefore he doesn't like him LOL
FYI the charity work is de rigeur for celebs, doesn't necessarily indicate anything.
As far as "acting differently around women" nice try, most other dudes weren't busy groping, including Robby Robinson's wife/girlfriend's tits right in the middle of Gold's LOL
what ur forgetting is he's a great role model for being confident, succeeding in bbing, having charisma and being smart in many senses of the word.
pumpy, ur telling me that uve never said a word or two out of place, or, while drunk or not, groped some guys/girls ass just for a bit of fun? weve all done things on the spur of the moment. arnold could obviously get away with groping a woman or two, cause in reality, if they werent with their current bfs, theyd be with him. oh and being on the president's council for the special olympics is hardly a 'generic charity event' as u suggest.
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pumpy, ur telling me that uve never said a word or two out of place, or, while drunk or not, groped some guys/girls ass just for a bit of fun? weve all done things on the spur of the moment. arnold could obviously get away with groping a woman or two, cause in reality, if they werent with their current bfs, theyd be with him. oh and being on the president's council for the special olympics is hardly a 'generic charity event' as u suggest.
Of course i'm also imperfect but his actions over the years are not in the category of "occasional slip-ups" in fact the only reason you don't hear anything now is that as governor he knows he has to be on his best behavior 24-7-there's no room for hijinks in this particular role! ;D
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Goneaway you really got it bad for arnold don't ya mate? All the stuff you said aboiut charisma sucess in bodybuilding and occasional slipups is right out of the international arnold handbook. written by weider franco and arnold himslef.
As for butler and gaines I don't know much about gaines but that george butler was just another fag fan on the fringes of hollywood probably thought it was christmas when he ran into arnold.
As for pumping iron being taken seriously and doing anything for bodybuilding fuck right off will ya. take for example the scene where that idiot girl standsthere listening intently while arnold compares gettingf a muscle pump to shooting your load. Shite like that will always drop bodybuildings image right back into the stone age.
Michalik is a clown. I saw him in onbe of those documentary progs here in britain and it was fuckin terrible. I dont know which was worese, him surounding himself with brainless hangers-on or his poacher turned gamekeeper monologue railing against gear use. He was like just another fuckwit who acted up as soon as the camera rolled.
Another laugh out loud moment was him claiming to have won the america clean, then and onluy then was he an 'idiot' and used steroids. Kiss my ass steve-o! ::)
And lastly, arnolds legend beginning with penniless bodybuilder comes to america. He didnt get anywhere by being charming. anyone with half a brain male or femal e would scoff at his feeding america its own bulsshit about the american dream. his charm was no such ything. it woulkd only work on some slavish girly twat who already fell in love with him.
Do you fall into that slot goneaway? I hope not mate.
Damy
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what ur forgetting is he's a great role model for being confident, succeeding in bbing, having charisma and being smart in many senses of the word.
pumpy, ur telling me that uve never said a word or two out of place, or, while drunk or not, groped some guys/girls ass just for a bit of fun? weve all done things on the spur of the moment. arnold could obviously get away with groping a woman or two, cause in reality, if they werent with their current bfs, theyd be with him. oh and being on the president's council for the special olympics is hardly a 'generic charity event' as u suggest.
pumpy has said a word or two out of place lol
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My wife just pointed out what she calls a hijack. I'm not up on all the internet speak see. Now that she mentioed it though I see what she meant. Stick to the point my friend.
Damy
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sergio was the most massive old school bodybuilder!no doubt about that, but his looks resembeles more that of a powerlifter in good shape than a bodybuilder.....
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SUCKMYMUSCLE
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pumpy has said a word or two out of place lol
That's pretty low of pumpster. Good call on getting the screen capture, ND, for exposing that fool when he gets too big for his britches
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We can ll pretty much agree that Arnold and Sergio were the two greatest ever, and that the only thing modern bodybuilder have on those two guys is sheer insulin-induced mass and distended gut to boot.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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As far as "acting differently around women" nice try, most other dudes weren't busy groping, including Robby Robinson's wife/girlfriend's tits right in the middle of Gold's LOL
ehhhhhh...... so? Are you against it or are your super duper gay?
Nothing wrong with what arnold did, a girl who gets groped or raped most of the time wants that, you KNOW they ant to get brutalised because thay are all dickteasing sluts.
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And lastly, arnolds legend beginning with penniless bodybuilder comes to america. He didnt get anywhere by being charming. anyone with half a brain male or femal e would scoff at his feeding america its own bulsshit about the american dream. his charm was no such ything. it woulkd only work on some slavish girly twat who already fell in love with him.
Do you fall into that slot goneaway? I hope not mate.
Damy
maybe ur right. maybe it was arnold's looks that were solely responsible for his placings and bbing popularity (with good reason), but the guy had undeniable charisma and personality. hear commentary from actors who worked with him in movies, or outtakes, or just look at pumping iron. u cant script that sort of charisma.
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Jesus.. Movie stars have always complimented each other it helps to maintain their nice guy image. Plus arnold would go out of his way to prevent any negative publicty coming out in hollywood or anwhere else. So would his army ofasskissers. Are you really gonna belve what comes out the mouth of kirk and michael douglas or the kennedys or any other american institution that arnold wormed his way into?
Goneaway I hope for your sake youre about eighteen year old cos if your not then your hoplessly naive. Either that or your one of those slavish fag fans that I mention before
Damy
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My wife just pointed out what she calls a hijack. I'm not up on all the internet speak see. Now that she mentioed it though I see what she meant. Stick to the point my friend.
Damy
LOL you mean the nudnick with no life and nothing to add save for an already embarassing obsession with others? :-*
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I'm a bit lost pump[ster you havin a pop at me or NDeity?
Damy
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I'm a bit lost pump[ster you havin a pop at me or NDeity?
Damy
Damy it's almost impossible to find a bigger loser on getbig than ND, who follows me around as if lovesick. :-* He's effectively my very own mascot. ::)
Your posts actually discuss BB so there's no similarity. ;)
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Damy it's almost impossible to find a bigger loser on getbig than ND, who follows me around as if lovesick. :-* He's effectively my very own mascot. ::)
Your posts actually discuss BB so there's no similarity. ;)
Monster irony post ! the comments you made about me and my sister almost had you in time out after you posted them you were exposed for the loser we already knew you were but again this was a meltdown post of epic proportions , everyone who saw it commented on how low class you are and how much of a piece of garbage you are , the difference between you and I is , you wont find me melting down about anything you type the same can't be said for you . ;)
and more irony about you projecting about me not discussing BB you're deathly afraid to discuss bodybuilding for a reason , see the truce thread where you don't discuss any points what so ever all you do is troll and those rare times you do commit to an opinion its usually wrong and you get crushed for your stupidity , perfect example this thread like Sergio was ' 63 ' when he came to the Olympia stage LMFAO you're a troll nothing more.
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Monster irony post ! the comments you made about me and my sister almost had you in time out after you posted them you were exposed for the loser we already knew you were but again this was a meltdown post of epic proportions , everyone who saw it commented on how low class you are and how much of a piece of garbage you are , the difference between you and I is , you wont find me melting down about anything you type the same can't be said for you . ;)
and more irony about you projecting about me not discussing BB you're deathly afraid to discuss bodybuilding for a reason , see the truce thread where you don't discuss any points what so ever all you do is troll and those rare times you do commit to an opinion its usually wrong and you get crushed for your stupidity , perfect example this thread like Sergio was ' 63 ' when he came to the Olympia stage LMFAO you're a troll nothing more.
See what i mean? BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH AA
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See what i mean? BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH AA
I love how you crack yourself up but the point stands . you follow me around like a puppy I very rarely even respond to you ( see the truce thread ) you melted down to the point of wishing me dead not I ;)
I never wished death on you , you're lucky I even respond to you .
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Jesus.. Movie stars have always complimented each other it helps to maintain their nice guy image. Plus arnold would go out of his way to prevent any negative publicty coming out in hollywood or anwhere else. So would his army ofasskissers. Are you really gonna belve what comes out the mouth of kirk and michael douglas or the kennedys or any other american institution that arnold wormed his way into?
Goneaway I hope for your sake youre about eighteen year old cos if your not then your hoplessly naive. Either that or your one of those slavish fag fans that I mention before
Damy
if moviestars try to protect their 'good image', then y do actors flat-out say some of their movies sucked? that not only makes themself look like a bad actor, but it reflects on everyone involved and degrades the movie industry as a whole. watch conan the destroyer and listen to the commentary by those who worked with arnold. it's hard to believe that it was scripted, when others have said the same thing on other movie sets, regarding his kindness and health-orientated advice.
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Like i said filmstars never say anything that isnt desinged for a specifc purpose always to benifit themse;ves. Whehn an actor says he or she dod a movie that was shit they know it wont affect them badly it will make them lok earthy and man in the street to their fans who desperatly wanta to see good in them. The way you seem to do with mr schwarzenegger mate. i think arnold could shag your wife and youd say it was stylish and charismatic ::)
Conan was so bad its amusing and its fuckall to do with seemed like a good idea at the time. they were all adults even then remember.arnold must have been looking for his own flagship charcter to kicjstart his movue career the way stallone did with rocky. conan worked well in comic book form but didnt translate to the screen i also think arnolds inner child still felt the magic of old reg park steve reeves films crap as they were and wanted his own similar sword weilding hero. bad bad idea.
not the first time hed been given a crap role and taken it. stay hungry crap. Total recall expensive and showy but crap. Jingle all the way. Crap all the way. twins is excruciating nbut i watch it for kelly preston. t3 is shite cos theres no james cameron. commando is okay but cheap production. raw deal shite. the villain (aka cactus jack) utter shite. I could go on.
Not just bigscreen eithr. his role in streets of sanfrancisco was fuckin terrible. a foreign bodybuilder (big stretch there) who beats up or kills women who laugh at him cartoon come to life. these days he gets moree and more cool tinting his transplanted arse hair.
Goneaway why dont you worship someone whos got real style like maybe donny osmomnd or david hasselhoff?
Damy
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Like i said filmstars never say anything that isnt desinged for a specifc purpose always to benifit themse;ves. Whehn an actor says he or she dod a movie that was shit they know it wont affect them badly it will make them lok earthy and man in the street to their fans who desperatly wanta to see good in them
i can see that being true.
deep down, im a big bbing fan. arnold was an amazing bber for reasons ive explained before, and he's way more than that. theres lots to admire about the guy. maybe u should tell me the main reasons y u dont like him, apart from making some bad movies (according to u) lol.
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Goneaway its not so much that I dislike arnold it just winds me up that people get such an erection about him beleivin that theres some sort of magic about him. Ill admit there has to be some reason why a yokel from centrl europe ended up as close as it gets to president of usa. but i dont believe its so much to do with charm as with rut;lessness. say what yopu like ruthlessness is not an attractive thing unless your a weirdo.
no doubt you heard about the walkin cane stunt and contest-what-contest at the 70 olympia with reg park. even though park probly laughed it off it was still a shabby trick to pull on someone whod he;lped you out. not necessary, regpark was no threat at all in that contest.
and the people who go on about how kindly he is jesus christ goneaway its very easy for people in suc`h positions to give their time and look mgnanimous but its all image construction. its the same in this country with diana fuckin spencer whos been dead ten years but idiots still wanta bang on about how much she did for charity and she was the peoples princess and all that shite. the truth is she was thick as two short planks rarely looked anybody in the eye maybe it was shyness but id say arroganc and dishonesty.
point is its easy to fool the average joe in the street cos average joe aint all that clever. i dont think your a dummy average joe goneaway thats why its hard for me to get why you cant see through schwarzenegger fpr what he is
Damy
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maybe u should tell me the main reasons y u dont like him, apart from making some bad movies (according to u) lol.
Basically you're so in love with him that anything other than accolades is interpreted as dislike. As Damy sez, he's a manipulator, and some blockheads don't see thru it.
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I dont think goneaway is a blockhead in general pumpster man, (sorry to talk about you like you aint here goneaway!) i just think he is blinkred when it conmes to arnold. when people are spectacularly sucessfull you gota ask yorself why. i dont mean bein a star i mean being a world beater. i think way back in the lifes of such people you gona find lying cheating manipulating doublecrossin and a lot of arse kissin. and in arnolds case takin it in the cornhole as a very young strugglin BBer. a few candid shots my hairy arse ;D
Damy