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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Fulgorre on December 25, 2007, 05:11:34 AM
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One of the few times I really doubted if GH15 was really a pro was when he stated creatine was not very effective. Being a big creatine user (EAS brand of course :)) I thought this stuff was really adding something to my lifts esp when I was "hormonized".
Three weeks ago I stopped taking creatine and instead started eating more calories as clean as I could. Well, I'm stronger than ever. In fact, yesterday I did bench after being sick with a very minor cold and added about 10 lbs to my lifts on bench and incline.
Sorry I doubted Gh15 haha! You were right and I was dead sure you were wrong about this one! :-*
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depends on the person, it works pretty well for me but i use a good brand.
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Creatine does fuck all, the sooner people realise the better
ta ta
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depends on the person, it works pretty well for me but i use a good brand.
for all your skepticism about claimed lifts you seem to be completely credulous when it comes to the claims of supplement hucksters.
BRUTAL BLIND SPOT
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Creatine does fuck all, the sooner people realise the better
ta ta
You're an idiot.
Jason
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Only supplement that really works for me. Cheap and worth the money.
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i don't know how effective creatine is... but on an unrelated note... i went from zero whey shakes a day to 3 whey shakes a day, and changed nothing else, for one week. And my number of reps max bench press with 185 increased by 4 in a single week. I'm not going to share the exact rep numbers, as I am pathetically weak at the moment and weighing only 175 and will be self pwning myself. But the fact that I was able to add 4 reps after being stagnant on the 185-lb rep maxout for months was highly highly encouraging.
I know you don't need 500 grams a day. But 300? I think I might.
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Creatine works for me, that is one thing I am positive about.
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depends on the person, it works pretty well for me but i use a good brand.
What do you mean by "good brand" ::)? you sound like these guys who actually believe what mags write in ads..........just take some creapure straight from Germany.
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i use AST's creatine and it works well for me, very inexpensive as well.
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Has anyone ever used "Creatine edge effervescent" by FSI?
It has worked well for me!
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I know you don't need 500 grams a day. But 300? I think I might.
Sure it's very likely that your body can make use of 5 times the USDA of protein. ::)
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Sure it's very likely that your body can make use of 5 times the USDA of protein. ::)
well, i was probably averging 80 grams per day, eating like shit.
the US RDA for my size is 75 I think. And i'm sure it was enough for HEALTH purposes.
But my number for muscle strength, recovery, glycogen/water levels, etc etc etc, must lie somewhere between 81 and 300 grams. Yeah, I"m on the high end with 300 grams, but shit, I added 4 reps in a week. I have been stuck at one number (high teens) since summertime, and suddenly I just don't stop and can do 4 more? Whatever I was lacking in recovery or calories or whatever, I seemed to have fixed it.
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Sure it's very likely that your body can make use of 5 times the USDA of protein. ::)
USDA means jack shit for bodybuilders. It's for fat ass couch potatoes, that's it. It means absolutely fuck all for people who weight train or are athletes. You would know that if you had even a basic understanding of nutrition, which you obviously do not.
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what does your diet inlcude on a daily basis ("started eating more calories as clean as I could") ? and how many calories...how many meals per day?
...im not baiting you into an argument or anything...just interested
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USDA means jack shit for bodybuilders. It's for fat ass couch potatoes, that's it. It means absolutely fuck all for people who weight train or are athletes. You would know that if you had even a basic understanding of nutrition, which you obviously do not.
Yes I should probably read more supplement company literature to learn about protein metabolism like you right? And to think all this time I've been basing my diet around the scientific consensus. How stupid.
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Jarrow brand
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Yes I should probably read more supplement company literature to learn about protein metabolism like you right? And to think all this time I've been basing my diet around the scientific consensus. How stupid.
Show me scientific consensus that proves that the USDA listed amount for daily protein intake is adequate for resistence trained athletes and bodybuilders.
I won't hold my breath.
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Show me scientific consensus that proves that the USDA listed amount for daily protein intake is adequate for resistence trained athletes and bodybuilders.
I won't hold my breath.
Can't, just like there is no proof that high protein diets are harmful. RDA for Protein is a joke and most RDA listings are set to prevent disease. Take an active indiviudal and those demands change quite a bit.
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creatine is a steroid
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creatine is a steroid
And you are an idiot. Do some research before posting a stupid comment like that.
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What's with all these fucking gimmicks and idiots lately? I swear, every time of year the fucking loonys come out of the woodwork.
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Haven't taken it for probably close to 6 months now. Never really noticed a difference when i was on it, other than after a week of loading i was holding more water. As far as strength goes, no real improvements. When its time to bulk up again, ill probably start taking it again.
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Creatine = water retention nothing else
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Show me scientific consensus that proves that the USDA listed amount for daily protein intake is adequate for resistence trained athletes and bodybuilders.
I won't hold my breath.
there are a bunch of articles on pubmed showing that trained athletes require normal to high normal amounts of protein. why dont you do the research yourself and learn about it, not being condescending but everyone seems to beleive the myth that 1 gram per pound etc.. which is brotelligence.
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I don't necessarily agree with the 1gram per lb of body weight, but I certainly know that the RDA of protein isn't good enough for bodybuilding, I've read plenty of studies on it. I've seen you be more than condescending when someone spouts some bullshit so I really don't think you have any place in telling me how to react when someone says something ridiculous like that.
Edit: And yea, I could have been a little less condescending =)
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I don't necessarily agree with the 1gram per lb of body weight, but I certainly know that the RDA of protein isn't good enough for bodybuilding, I've read plenty of studies on it. I've seen you be more than condescending when someone spouts some bullshit so I really don't think you have any place in telling me how to react when someone says something ridiculous like that.
Edit: And yea, I could have been a little less condescending =)
If not 1g. then go by 1.4 -2 g./kg of bodyweight for active individuals.
The ISSN has good stuff on the subject. That is the link below, not sure if it will work. If not, go to www.issn.org and search for protein requirments.
http://www.jissn.com/content/4/1/8
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I don't necessarily agree with the 1gram per lb of body weight, but I certainly know that the RDA of protein isn't good enough for bodybuilding, I've read plenty of studies on it. I've seen you be more than condescending when someone spouts some bullshit so I really don't think you have any place in telling me how to react when someone says something ridiculous like that.
Edit: And yea, I could have been a little less condescending =)
my character is an asshole, get with the program. really im a helpful guy and have spent tons of my time via pm and msn helping people when they ask for it. however my character who is usmokepole is an asshole.
i should say something like you dont know shit.
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its not me its my character, he is an asshole, not me.
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its not me its my character, he is an asshole, not me.
How many people gain access to your asshole each year on average? :)
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How many people gain access to your asshole each year on average? :)
6.5 billion-candidate because he is a weirdo. so quite a few save candidate who is stranger then fiction.
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my character is an asshole, get with the program. really im a helpful guy and have spent tons of my time via pm and msn helping people when they ask for it. however my character who is usmokepole is an asshole.
i should say something like you dont know shit.
Oh I know how much you've helped people, me being one of them, I've learned a lot from you, and compared to other people, yea I don't know shit, but I'll call bullshit on something when I see it. That's just how it is.
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there are a bunch of articles on pubmed showing that trained athletes require normal to high normal amounts of protein. why dont you do the research yourself and learn about it, not being condescending but everyone seems to beleive the myth that 1 gram per pound etc.. which is brotelligence.
LOL brotelligence
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6.5 billion-candidate because he is a weirdo. so quite a few save candidate who is stranger then fiction.
Candidate = seriously weird, but in a creepy way.
Debussey hopes that he stays away from the roids. That can kill him.
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i use AST's creatine and it works well for me, very inexpensive as well.
For once we can agree on something! Most of AST's products are really good!
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i've never thought it made me 'stronger' in the sense of absolute, but endurance wise, sure!
always helps me get a few reps out, but i only take it once a day and pre-workout.. thats all, none of this bullshit loading (using the product faster) period.
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I don't necessarily agree with the 1gram per lb of body weight, but I certainly know that the RDA of protein isn't good enough for bodybuilding, I've read plenty of studies on it. I've seen you be more than condescending when someone spouts some bullshit so I really don't think you have any place in telling me how to react when someone says something ridiculous like that.
Edit: And yea, I could have been a little less condescending =)
shit dude i never seen the part where you said "when someone spouts bullshit". some people have given advice in this forum that could actually killl people, so i have a short leash with fuggin morons like that.
smack the tiny tits around as much as you want :D ;D
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Creatine does fuck all, the sooner people realise the better
ta ta
It goes into muscle cells. So no muscles -> does "fuck all",
That's right.
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It goes into muscle cells. So no muscles -> does "fuck all",
That's right.
What kind of jibberish is this??? ??? ::)
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What kind of jibberish is this??? ??? ::)
Ask the eight ball.
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Ask the eight ball.
I don't do coke
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What do you mean by "good brand" ::)? you sound like these guys who actually believe what mags write in ads..........just take some creapure straight from Germany.
I think I read somewhere that there was only a few companies that made the creatine itself....all the different sup companies buy the raw form from the few suppliers and put it into their mix. I may be mistaken though.
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I think I read somewhere that there was only a few companies that made the creatine itself....all the different sup companies buy the raw form from the few suppliers and put it into their mix. I may be mistaken though.
There were different grades once upon a time, German, American and Chinese. Twinlab was notorius for using a cheap, Chinese grade that tore you up.
Creapure is the best at this point.
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There were different grades once upon a time, German, American and Chinese. Twinlab was notorius for using a cheap, Chinese grade that tore you up.
Creapure is the best at this point.
How about maleate?
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How about maleate?
Di-creatine Malate is different than Monhydrate powder.
Have not seen any studies on Malate vs. Monhydrate. Have not seen Di-Creatine Malate sold as a powder by itself. Have seen it in No-Xplode and other NO Pre-Workout products.
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i thought i read somewhere that the di-creatine malate and the creatine esther ethyl wasnt worth it because they both turned into creatinin faster than regular mono therefore needing to consume more of it at one time..anyone else here this?
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i thought i read somewhere that the di-creatine malate and the creatine esther ethyl wasnt worth it because they both turned into creatinin faster than regular mono therefore needing to consume more of it at one time..anyone else here this?
Wouldnt be true of Ethyl Esther, actuall needing less than monohydrate. Mono is poor digesting, maybe 30% if lucky which out of a 5g. scoop, netting 1.5 g. of mono. Ethyl is in 2-3 g. servings because the ethly ester protects the creatine and you absorb more. I have used all kinds and now, mono does give me the shits so I switch to a Kre-alkyln pre-workout. THat is why a lot of people get the runs on mono, because they can not digest it at all.
I believe it is just what is easier for you to digest and if you are crapping out the mono or gut aches, bloat, try the Ethly and see if you digest it better...
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http://www.cr-technologies.net/cee_pr.html
I had found that a while back, but just dug it up.
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hey thanks emm i knew i had read it somewhere....although thats not where i read it from it says the same thing i read...
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Again, all about digesting the creatine. If you are shitting your pants from Monhydrate, what good is that? That is why I use Krealklyn which is a buffered form of Mono.
I have had friends get great results from Ethyl because they can not digest Mono. I was at the ISSN conference and saw that poster on Ethyl. Talked with one of the guys and said Ethyl could work for some that can not digest Mono, but not any better like the ads claim.
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so pretty much its like everything else...some things work for some and not for others so therefore just shut up and try it...idk the only kind ive ever used was cell mass and i didnt notice anything different really i dont think so i didnt buy another jug...i went through 2 of them then decided it wasnt for me...but just somewhat recently with all the shit coming out about bsn maybe i should reconsider with a more reputable brand...
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I used to use creatine and it worked really well for me - but that was in the days when I was going for size at all costs and didn't matter how much I bloated up. It's great if you're a natural lifter but when I took it when I was on d-bol I blew up like a balloon and looked daft - my face was almost circular.
Having said that though it's the only product worth using - I wouldn't take anything else.
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what kind of creatine was it that you were using?
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what kind of creatine was it that you were using?
I used various brands - I felt they all did the same thing and didn't feel that one was any better than the other. I did use some generic stuff (100% pure) from bodybuilding.com which I thought was great for the price so I would just go with that one.
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just wondering when do you guys consume your creatine? ive seen some that say in the morning and then postworkout and ive seen some that say morning and preworkout...just wondering what you guys were doing....ive read the info that has been posted about creatine taking up to 30 minutes to be in your system and last for about hour to hour and a half...just wondering...
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I have come to believe that Creatine is such a crock...I have actually made some of my biggest gains while off creatine...creatine gives u a temporary feeling of being bigger and harder but it doesn't last and is mostly water...not sure if it actually makes you stronger or not.....any comments?
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One of the few times I really doubted if GH15 was really a pro was when he stated creatine was not very effective. Being a big creatine user (EAS brand of course :)) I thought this stuff was really adding something to my lifts esp when I was "hormonized".
Three weeks ago I stopped taking creatine and instead started eating more calories as clean as I could. Well, I'm stronger than ever. In fact, yesterday I did bench after being sick with a very minor cold and added about 10 lbs to my lifts on bench and incline.
Sorry I doubted Gh15 haha! You were right and I was dead sure you were wrong about this one! :-*
And that shows that creatine doesn't work how?
What would have happened had you kept using creatine AND increased your calories? Perhaps, your gains would have been better than they were.
The only thing you've shown is that you weren't eating enough to grow. That says nothing about how effective creatine is or isn't, as far as your body is concerned. I know of no one who has or would recommend somebody taking creatine instead of eating more food, when trying to gain size and strength.
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And that shows that creatine doesn't work how?
What would have happened had you kept using creatine AND increased your calories? Perhaps, your gains would have been better than they were.
The only thing you've shown is that you weren't eating enough to grow. That says nothing about how effective creatine is or isn't, as far as your body is concerned. I know of no one who has or would recommend somebody taking creatine instead of eating more food, when trying to gain size and strength.
jesus(pardon the pun) where is this type of logic on the religious board. ;D
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Right now i'm taking creatine (creapure), and results are not that spectacular.
I'm not really seeing any water-retention or bloating. Which is kinda a shame, because now i don't know if it's working at all. I'm in a bulking phase now and have gained 2 kg, but i don't feel it's due to creatine, because there's some fat as well (+2 cm on waist). Calves have grown 0,5 cm and arms are +1 cm. But that's probably because i'm focussing better on this. Back, chest, leg strenght have actually gone down a bit (maybe that's because of exam stress).
Looking back it's not really worth it. I was stupid enough to buy a whole kg.