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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Camel Jockey on December 27, 2007, 04:04:15 PM
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Check out the quote below.. I don't think I've heard anything more retarded. Either ND is biased, or fucking blind.
It isn't twisting anything and no he doesn't have a better physique than Jay if he did he'd be Mr Olympia there is a lot more to bodybuilding than just wide clavicles and a small waist .
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ND contradicts himself now and again. on one hand he says "if he was better he'd be Mr O" but then he says ronnie didn't deserve to win.
basically, if he dislikes the winner, the winner sucked. if he likes the winner, then obviously he was the best because he won.
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Check out the quote below.. I don't think I've heard anything more retarded. Either ND is biased, or fucking blind.
Oh boy lol I hate to break it to you sport in this months issue of MD Dennis Wolf says specifically that the Olympia was between Jay & Victor and it could have went either way , he gives props to the judges because it was a hard choice to make and they were going to get heat either way they picked
NO WHERE does he claim he won the Olympia or he has a better physique than Jay , from an aesthetics standpoint Wolf has a better looking physique , from the IFBB judging criteria he doesn't .
and ironically Wolf agreed with my assessment that the Olympia was close it could have gone either way between Jay & Victor , so looks like I know what I'm talking about after all . ;)
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ND contradicts himself now and again. on one hand he says "if he was better he'd be Mr O" but then he says ronnie didn't deserve to win.
basically, if he dislikes the winner, the winner sucked. if he likes the winner, then obviously he was the best because he won.
You're talking nonsense give me examples and be specific .
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Oh boy lol I hate to break it to you sport in this months issue of MD Dennis Wolf says specifically that the Olympia was between Jay & Victor and it could have went either way , he gives props to the judges because it was a hard choice to make and they were going to get heat either way they picked
NO WHERE does he claim he won the Olympia or he has a better physique than Jay , from an aesthetics standpoint Wolf has a better looking physique , from the IFBB judging criteria he doesn't .
and ironically Wolf agreed with my assessment that the Olympia was close it could have gone either way between Jay & Victor , so looks like I know what I'm talking about after all . ;)
In no way does jay have a better physique than dennis wolf. If the "ifbb judging criteria" says otherwise then its wrong and you need to get some guts and stop agreeing with it.
Anyone, and i mean anyone that even has the most rudimentary understanding of bodybuilding could objectively look at pictures of jay and denis and see that the latter is far superior
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You're talking nonsense give me examples and be specific .
oh come on. how many times have you defended dorian by pointing out his IFBB contest history and then turned around and said ronnie was a terrible mr olympia as time went on and didn't deserve all of his wins?
you've done it and you know it. i'm not invalidating your opinion that doz was better, just that you can't be selective about using who won the shows as supporting evidence.
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In no way does jay have a better physique than dennis wolf. If the "ifbb judging criteria" says otherwise then its wrong and you need to get some guts and stop agreeing with it.
Anyone, and i mean anyone that even has the most rudimentary understanding of bodybuilding could objectively look at pictures of jay and denis and see that the latter is far superior
Bullshit plain & simple spoken like a delusional ignorant fan he has a better physique why? be its more aesthetic ::) there are rules in which contests are judged by and Jay met those rules better than Wolf , even Wolf agrees .
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oh come on. how many times have you defended dorian by pointing out his IFBB contest history and then turned around and said ronnie was a terrible mr olympia as time went on and didn't deserve all of his wins?
you've done it and you know it. i'm not invalidating your opinion that doz was better, just that you can't be selective about using who won the shows as supporting evidence.
nonsense , I've said Yates shouldn't have won in 1997 and Ronnie should have won in 2001 I call it like I see it and Ronnie and Dorian both progressively deteriorated as their careers went on old news
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In no way does jay have a better physique than dennis wolf. If the "ifbb judging criteria" says otherwise then its wrong and you need to get some guts and stop agreeing with it.
Anyone, and i mean anyone that even has the most rudimentary understanding of bodybuilding could objectively look at pictures of jay and denis and see that the latter is far superior
Exactly!
And ND, have you ever heard of modesty? ::) 90% of the fans think that Wolf got the shaft, and I'm pretty certain 99.9% think Jay didn't deserve to win.
Wolf had better quads, arms, delts, chest, traps and CONDITIONING. Jay only had larger hamstrings and calves. You can't claim Jay's back was better as it was softer than Klenex tissue.
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nonsense , I've said Yates shouldn't have won in 1997 and Ronnie should have won in 2001 I call it like I see it and Ronnie and Dorian both progressively deteriorated as their careers went on old news
i'm not going to comb through god knows how many posts of yours, but if you're suggesting that you've never used dorian's contest record as defense of his superiority while simultaneously talking down on ronnie's then either you've got a terrible memory or you're banking on the fact that no one's going to check.
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Exactly!
And ND, have you ever heard of modesty? ::) 90% of the fans think that Wolf got the shaft, and I'm pretty certain 99.9% think Jay didn't deserve to win.
Wolf had better quads, arms, delts, chest, traps and CONDITIONING. Jay only had larger hamstrings and calves. You can't claim Jay's back was better as it was softer than Klenex tissue.
Oh wow the argument ad populum never seen that one before ::) it doesn't matter what the fans think , the judges declare the winner and what part of Dennis Wolf doesn't think he got the shaft did you miss ? he agreed with the judges ( and me ) it was a close contest , it could have gone either way and it went to Jay
and spare me the parts accumulation nonsense thats now how its done sport .
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Bullshit plain & simple spoken like a delusional ignorant fan he has a better physique why? be its more aesthetic ::) there are rules in which contests are judged by and Jay met those rules better than Wolf , even Wolf agrees .
In with the name calling straight away.
Nice.
Tell me ND who has a better physique bob paris or jay cutler?
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i'm not going to comb through god knows how many posts of yours, but if you're suggesting that you've never used dorian's contest record as defense of his superiority while simultaneously talking down on ronnie's then either you've got a terrible memory or you're banking on the fact that no one's going to check.
Oh no there is a quite a bit of difference in their win/loss ratios Dorian's is 88% and Ronnie's is just 40% and that proves my point that Dorian was the more dominant bodybuilder of the two absolutely but what does that have to do with this?
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In with the name calling straight away.
Nice.
Tell me ND who has a better physique bob paris or jay cutler?
Is it name calling if its the truth? ;) and nice loaded question , better how? from an aesthetic standpoint Paris , from how contests are judged Cutler , people were screaming Haney should have lost to Paris back in the day should he have? I don't think so .
There is a specific set of criterion on how contests are judged one competitor shouldn't win the whole contest because he meets PART of the criteria better than someone else its the whole package
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Oh wow the argument ad populum never seen that one before ::) it doesn't matter what the fans think , the judges declare the winner and what part of Dennis Wolf doesn't think he got the shaft did you miss ? he agreed with the judges ( and me ) it was a close contest , it could have gone either way and it went to Jay
and spare me the parts accumulation nonsense thats now how its done sport .
Yeah, an oligarchy of biased muscletech influenced judges' opinions should carry greater weight than that of the fans; who are often more knowledgeble.
And I said Wolf was probably being modest. Everyone fucking knows he blew Jay out of the water.
There is a specific set of criterion on how contests are judged one competitor shouldn't win the whole contest because he meets PART of the criteria better than someone else its the whole package
Wolf had a better overall package you dipshit.
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Is it name calling if its the truth? ;) and nice loaded question , better how? from an aesthetic standpoint Paris , from how contests are judged Cutler , people were screaming Haney should have lost to Paris back in the day should he have? I don't think so .
There is a specific set of criterion on how contests are judged one competitor shouldn't win the whole contest because he meets PART of the criteria better than someone else its the whole package
Seriously pal you really need to get a grip.
Cameljockey is correct - everyone can see wolf beat cutler. Milos, flex the list goes on who called bullshit on the whole affair.
The judges credibility and infact the contest's in thew bodybuilding world is the about the same as your's on this board:
zero.
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Yeah, an oligarchy of biased muscletech influenced judges' opinions should carry greater weight than that of the fans; who are often more knowledgeble.
And I said Wolf was probably being modest. Everyone fucking knows he blew Jay out of the water.
Wolf had a better overall package you dipshit.
Oh spare me the politics which are your tool to crack out whenever it suits your opinion and again Wolf was honest about his placing and the placing of others just because it crushes your stupidity don't try and bend it to fit your ignorance
and NO Wolf didn't have a better overall package ( self admittedly ) the judges didn't think do , lets hypothetically entertain your nonsense and say Jay wasn't even in the contest , he was still NOT going to beat Ronnie , Dex or Victor
you're an ignorant fan who bases is opinion solely on preference and its o.k. but don't act like you know what you're talking about.
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anyone spending any length of time debating this bodybuilder against that bodybuilder is more or less retarded
try bringing that up to anyone outside of getbig that you do that year after year and they'll put you in a mental hospital
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Seriously pal you really need to get a grip.
Cameljockey is correct - everyone can see wolf beat cutler. Milos, flex the list goes on who called bullshit on the whole affair.
The judges credibility and infact the contest's in thew bodybuilding world is the about the same as your's on this board:
zero.
wait let me get this straight , my opinion co-insides with the 13 judges and Dennis Wolf himself and I need to get a grip? LMFAO what school of logic did you attend?
it doesn't matter what Milos said , or Flex ( while on the topic Flex had Ronnie winning the whole contest , so much for his opinion ) what matters is Wolf himself was happy with his placing and admitted the contest was between Jay & Victor
and you're the one crying foul I'm not my opinion is right on the money and you're isn't so much for ' credibility ' lol
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anyone spending any length of time debating this bodybuilder against that bodybuilder is more or less retarded
try bringing that up to anyone outside of getbig that you do that year after year and they'll put you in a mental hospital
Anyone with 20K posts on a bodybuilding board bitching about anyone else is not more or less retarded he's full blown short bus retarded . ;)
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wait let me get this straight , my opinion co-insides with the 13 judges and Dennis Wolf himself and I need to get a grip? LMFAO what school of logic did you attend?
it doesn't matter what Milos said , or Flex ( while on the topic Flex had Ronnie winning the whole contest , so much for his opinion ) what matters is Wolf himself was happy with his placing and admitted the contest was between Jay & Victor
and you're the one crying foul I'm not my opinion is right on the money and you're isn't so much for ' credibility ' lol
Not sure what the bit in bold means.
Be careful nd on relying on people's quotes too much. It was to your detriment in the truce thread.
Your opinion isnt "right on the money", Its your opinion, thats it.
"What matters is wolf's opinion"???????
ND, your posts are getting stranger by the day
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Not sure what the bit in bold means.
Be careful nd on relying on people's quotes too much. It was to your detriment in the truce thread.
Your opinion isnt "right on the money", Its your opinion, thats it.
"What matters is wolf's opinion"???????
ND, your posts are getting stranger by the day
Oh yeah the quotes were a detriment to people who contradict them in the truce thread ;). and no my opinion was right on the money , after watching the contest I decided it was close between first & second and it could have gone either way and they went with Jay you're the one who believes the 5th place guy won the whole show .
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Oh yeah the quotes were a detriment to people who contradict them in the truce thread ;). and no my opinion was right on the money , after watching the contest I decided it was close between first & second and it could have gone either way and they went with Jay you're the one who believes the 5th place guy won the whole show .
Arrogant. Plain and simple. No wonder no one likes you on this board.
Is your unpopularity reflected in life outside of getbig?
Learn to read.
I never said the fifth place guy should have won the show.
I said he should of beat cutler. ;)
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is this going to be another 1500 plus page thread? well I got in on the first page this time :)
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Arrogant. Plain and simple. No wonder no one likes you on this board.
Is your unpopularity reflected in life outside of getbig?
Learn to read.
I never said the fifth place guy should have won the show.
I said he should of beat cutler. ;)
Is this the part where I'm supposed to cry? lol Boo-Hoo I'm not making friends in GetBig lmfao give me a break
stop playing with words Wolf wasn't going to beat Cutler , the ONLY person who stood a chance in 2007 was Victor , Wolf does have the tools to beat Cutler he needs work before hand .
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anyone spending any length of time debating this bodybuilder against that bodybuilder is more or less retarded
try bringing that up to anyone outside of getbig that you do that year after year and they'll put you in a mental hospital
He has more "important" stuff ta get to...stallone ball worship, Steve Seagal posters, all-time lists of favorite colors..LOL
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Arrogant. Plain and simple. No wonder no one likes you on this board.
Is your unpopularity reflected in life outside of getbig?
hahahahahaahahahaha
I wonder what kinda pics these two shut-ins will post next LOL
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anyone spending any length of time debating this bodybuilder against that bodybuilder is more or less retarded
try bringing that up to anyone outside of getbig that you do that year after year and they'll put you in a mental hospital
so says the dweeb with 22,000 posts ::)
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hahahahahaahahahaha
I wonder what kinda pics these two shut-ins will post next LOL
Cue the troll and here comes pumpster lol you're so predictable.
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Oh wow the argument ad populum never seen that one before ::) it doesn't matter what the fans think , the judges declare the winner and what part of Dennis Wolf doesn't think he got the shaft did you miss ? he agreed with the judges ( and me ) it was a close contest , it could have gone either way and it went to Jay
and spare me the parts accumulation nonsense thats now how its done sport .
No!!! Money decided the winner , Dennis is far superior than Jay in all ways ,Dennis is what bodybuilding is meant to be about , he has the purfect structure and posses the x frame that bodybuilding standards were meant to be set upon (from acient greece)..
How can you choose Jay as the worlds best built man when you have the purfect example of an X frame standing next to him, Woolfe has the lot,size,shape,symertry and structure.
But muscletech dollers decided where the Sandow shell rest :-[ :'(
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And Dennis saying what he said in MD speaks measures to the man , he is humble and respects the decision even though it was the wrong one. ;)
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yes, the only ones saying wolf should have won the olympia are the 'small waist/wide clavicles' ones. in some poses, he undeniably looked better than jay, but in the main pose (back double biceps) he was jay's bitch. as i keep saying, it's mostly judged on back. wolf wont place more than 3rd behind jay and vic unless he gets a better back.
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No!!! Money decided the winner , Dennis is far superior than Jay in all ways ,Dennis is what bodybuilding is meant to be about , he has the purfect structure and posses the x frame that bodybuilding standards were meant to be set upon (from acient greece)..
How can you choose Jay as the worlds best built man when you have the purfect example of an X frame standing next to him, Woolfe has the lot,size,shape,symertry and structure.
But muscletech dollers decided where the Sandow shell rest :-[ :'(
I wont entertain conspiracy theories seriously . and NO Dennis isn't far superior to Jay in all ways thats a blanket statement he lags behind Jay in proportion especially in the legs , and he lacks enough back size for his massive frame A'la Paul Dillett he has the width but is still lacking , he does have great symmetry small waist & hips very wide clavicles but he's still needs work and you think Wolf meets the Greek Ideal of calves , neck and arms all the same size? lol think again
and Dennis wasn't beating Ronnie , Dexter and Victor nevermind Jay in my opinion he could have placed ahead of Ronnie but #1 not this time around .
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yes, the only ones saying wolf should have won the olympia are the 'small waist/wide clavicles' ones. in some poses, he undeniably looked better than jay, but in the main pose (back double biceps) he was jay's bitch. as i keep saying, it's mostly judged on back. wolf wont place more than 3rd behind jay and vic unless he gets a better back.
Hey someone who gets it ! Great post ! yes Wolf looks better than Jay in some shots and others he doesn't and you're right one of his glaring flaws is NOT enough back for his massive frame , he's improving ( especially 06-07 ) and when he does he'll beat them all but in 07 he wasn't winning the whole show.
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Wolf isn't dumb, he is playing his cards just right. Sticking up for the judges instead of trash talking them so next year when his placing is in their hands they won't hold a grudge.
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Wolf isn't dumb, he is playing his cards just right. Sticking up for the judges instead of trash talking them so next year when his placing is in their hands they won't hold a grudge.
Exactly, it was modesty and smart planning. Jackass ND on the other hand thinks it was acknowledgement of a fair defeat.. LOL
And the back double biceps isn't the only pose bodybuilding is judged on. Wolf's back was as wide as Jay's, and his conditioning far superior. And Wolf blew Jay out of the water from the front. It was quite obvious that Jay was given a gift.
If ND were arguing that Vic should have won, then that would be perfectly valid, and maybe even correct. But he's saying that Jay actually deserved to be Mr. Olympia. ::)
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Exactly, it was modesty and smart planning. Jackass ND on the other hand thinks it was acknowledgement of a fair defeat.. LOL
And the back double biceps isn't the only pose bodybuilding is judged on. Wolf's back was as wide as Jay's, and his conditioning far superior. And Wolf blew Jay out of the water from the front. It was quite obvious that Jay was given a gift.
If ND were arguing that Vic should have won, then that would be perfectly valid, and maybe even correct. But he's saying that Jay actually deserved to be Mr. Olympia. ::)
Again you're a LONG way from first kid , I would entertain your point of view if Wolf was second or third even but he was all the way in 5th ANYONE who thinks he won that show is stupid and stop speaking for the man he didn't have to comment on the contest at all and ironically his opinion sides with reality yours doesn't , he was happy with his placing because he's progressing and with more work he'll be right up there for the top spot
Jay was given a gift it was a close call between FIRST & SECOND not first and fifth . this post really backfired your face lol that what happens when you put no thought into what you type and I've said many times it could have went to Victor I would have had NO problem with that. first & second were interchangeable Wolf could have moved up a spot to fourth however he wasn't beating Dexter , he wasn't beating Victor never mind Jay
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Justify Jay winning it all, mr. guru. I mean the pictures tell me and others that Wolf was better than Jay.
I need a laugh.
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Wolf isn't dumb, he is playing his cards just right. Sticking up for the judges instead of trash talking them so next year when his placing is in their hands they won't hold a grudge.
Don't presume to know what he's thinking , he didn't need to comment at all on the contest and if entertaining your theory he could have said the obvious " I'm very happy with my placement , I'm improving from year to year and hopefully will continue to improve . " thats a safe statement that would piss off the judges and ironically he states the reality of the situation he wasn't fighting for first place , it was a close contest between Jay & Vic , they both have relative strengths & weaknesses over each other and it could have gone either way which is how the contest unfolded just like the scores show , if you want to claim Jay was gifted you'll get no argument from me being the incumbent Mr Olympia saved his ass like it did many men before him and the old adage applies in order to beat the champ you have to K.O. him and Vic while good didn't knock Jay out and Wolf certainly wasn't gong to beat Vic nevermind Jay anyone who thinks so is ignorant plain & simple.
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Justify Jay winning it all, mr. guru. I mean the pictures tell me and others that Wolf was better than Jay.
I need a laugh.
I don't need to justify Jay winning , I'm not in disagreement with the pick , you're the jackass who thinks the fifth place guy won the show ::) you can make a strong case for Victor winning and it would be a great point but Wolf get serious , Wolf had his hands full Ronnie never mind Dexter or Victor
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ND is a complete moron - he contradicts himself and selectively chooses which evidence to belive to fit his agenda.
eg. he claims visual evidence means nothing - but then says Yates deserved to lose the 97 olympia based on visuals.
however, in the face of 1500 pages of visual evidence showing Ronnie at his best to be better than dorian, he then says visuals don't matter because if they did Ronnie would win..
he also claims the 98 olympia wasn't close despite once again, all visual evidence that we can all see showing Ronnie blowing the soft 98 flex out of the water
in short, if anything gives Ronnie credit, ND says no - no matter what real life shows.
and don't even get me started on his reliance on quotes that have been not only contradicted by the speaker, but proven wrong a thousand times over.
the man is a moron.
its nice to see a whole thread devoted to it.. 8)
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Has NarcissisticDeity lost his effin marbles?
Yes. No need to start a 1,600 page thread about it, lol.
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ND is a complete moron - he contradicts himself and selectively chooses which evidence to belive to fit his agenda.
eg. he claims visual evidence means nothing - but then says Yates deserved to lose the 97 olympia based on visuals.
however, in the face of 1500 pages of visual evidence showing Ronnie at his best to be better than dorian, he then says visuals don't matter because if they did Ronnie would win..
he also claims the 98 olympia wasn't close despite once again, all visual evidence that we can all see showing Ronnie blowing the soft 98 flex out of the water
in short, if anything gives Ronnie credit, ND says no - no matter what real life shows.
and don't even get me started on his reliance on quotes that have been not only contradicted by the speaker, but proven wrong a thousand times over.
the man is a moron.
its nice to see a whole thread devoted to it.. 8)
Visual evidence shows Wolf pwning Cutler, yet ND ignores it completely. He also says Wolf wasn't anywhere near beating Cutler, yet gives no decent arguement behind it, except for judging, which we all know is completely fair. ::) He also cites some quote of modesty from Wolf as an acceptance of defeat. hahaha As if that's how Dennis feels after such a fucking shaft.
ND has no credibility.
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ND is a complete moron - he contradicts himself and selectively chooses which evidence to belive to fit his agenda.
eg. he claims visual evidence means nothing - but then says Yates deserved to lose the 97 olympia based on visuals.
however, in the face of 1500 pages of visual evidence showing Ronnie at his best to be better than dorian, he then says visuals don't matter because if they did Ronnie would win..
he also claims the 98 olympia wasn't close despite once again, all visual evidence that we can all see showing Ronnie blowing the soft 98 flex out of the water
in short, if anything gives Ronnie credit, ND says no - no matter what real life shows.
and don't even get me started on his reliance on quotes that have been not only contradicted by the speaker, but proven wrong a thousand times over.
the man is a moron.
its nice to see a whole thread devoted to it.. 8)
Cue the other troll lol in fact cue all the ignorant people I owned on the other thread lol
I never once claimed visual evidence doesn't matter thats is an outright LIE I claimed it matters when you're actually there live and in person ;) big difference kid learn it , you're solely basing your opinion on on inaccurate means pictures and I said many times after viewing the pics and video I don't think Dorian deserved to win in 1997 thats not a contradiction and I also added I could see how they could give it to Dorian because he looked better from the sides and from the back
And you're damn fucking right 1998 was a close contest you're the moron who thinks it was a blow out , 1998 Ronnie was a lucky guy and thats a fact
And spare me the truce thread nonsense keep that over there stop trolling looking for comrades who will agree with you
and I knew you would post in this thread because you're looking for revenge for all the times I owned you outright however like the truce thread this will backfire on you and why? you're attacking someones intelligence concerning professional bodybuilding and lets take a look at your monumentally stupid claims
Dorian Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler '
Ronnie Coleman has better legs than Tom Platz
Dorian Yates is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time
Lee Labrada has shitty abs and calves
Ronnie Coleman has better detail in his calves than Dorian lmfao
Ronnie Coleman dominated in 2001 despite losing the whole prejudging
1994 Mr Olympia was a travesty on par with 1981 , but 2001 wasn't controversial
Dorian's conditioning was a myth
Ronnie Coleman was more grainy and hard and dry in 99 than Dorian ever was lol
1998 wasn't a close contest despite being by only 3 points
you're so full of shit you've been reduced to making up quotes which you were exposes as a liar , you knowlingly used photoshopped pics , you've denied everyone who contradicts your claims including Ronnie Coleman himself , you've melted down to the point of not even being worthy or a proper response , you're nothing more than an ignorant troll .
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Visual evidence shows Wolf pwning Cutler, yet ND ignores it completely. He also says Wolf wasn't anywhere near beating Cutler, yet gives no decent arguement behind it, except for judging, which we all know is completely fair. ::) He also cites some quote of modesty from Wolf as an acceptance of defeat. hahaha As if that's how Dennis feels after such a fucking shaft.
ND has no credibility.
I guess Wolf has no ' credibility ' either because he agrees with me ;) you're an idiot right on par with Hulkster , you don't know how the game is played you don't know how contests are judged and you're left with conspiracy theories because you're not sophisticated enough to educate yourself on how IFBB contests are judged .
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Visual evidence shows Wolf pwning Cutler, yet ND ignores it completely. He also says Wolf wasn't anywhere near beating Cutler, yet gives no decent arguement behind it, except for judging, which we all know is completely fair. ::) He also cites some quote of modesty from Wolf as an acceptance of defeat. hahaha As if that's how Dennis feels after such a fucking shaft.
ND has no credibility.
Camel Jockey, your brain is as small as a jockey. You claim that Wolfe won that contest based on a single pic of a crab shot. Wolfe has wider clavicles than Cutler. Big deal. It takes far more than that to become a standard-bearer. Wolfe is good enough to win a minor show like the Ironman, but not the Olympia He has a long torso, high lats and thighs are still not to the standard of Jay. I personally don't like Cutler's physique, so I am as unbiased as they come. Wolfe's back still has to fill out. He has to improve his quad mass and sweep. His arms are great in the front double biceps, but don't look as impressive in the side triceps shot. Wolfe has a bif skeletal frame and he needs to pack on 20 lbs while keeping his conditioning to become Mr.Olympia. He does have better taper than Jay from the front due to his smaller waist and because his lavicles are wider, but he is still along shot from being good enough to be a standard-bearer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Camel Jockey, your brain is as small as a jockey. You claim that Wolfe won that contest based on a single pic of a crab shot. Wolfe has wider clavicles than Cutler. Big deal. It takes far more than that to become a standard-bearer. Wolfe is good enough to win a minor show like the Ironman, but not the Olympia He has a long torso, high lats and thighs are still not to the standard of Jay. I personally don't like Cutler's physique, so I am as unbiased as they come. Wolfe's back still has to fill out. He has to improve his quad mass and sweep. His arms are great in the front double biceps, but don't look as impressive in the side triceps shot. Wolfe has a bif skeletal frame and he needs to pack on 20 lbs while keeping his conditioning to become Mr.Olympia. He does have better taper than Jay from the front due to his smaller waist and because his lavicles are wider, but he is still along shot from being good enough to be a standard-bearer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You can always count on Suckmymuscle to lay the smack down , Great post ! as usual and someone who has a grasp on how competitive bodybyuilding works .
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Camel Jockey, your brain is as small as a jockey. You claim that Wolfe won that contest based on a single pic of a crab shot. Wolfe has wider clavicles than Cutler. Big deal. It takes far more than that to become a standard-bearer. Wolfe is good enough to win a minor show like the Ironman, but not the Olympia He has a long torso, high lats and thighs are still not to the standard of Jay. I personally don't like Cutler's physique, so I am as unbiased as they come. Wolfe's back still has to fill out. He has to improve his quad mass and sweep. His arms are great in the front double biceps, but don't look as impressive in the side triceps shot. Wolfe has a bif skeletal frame and he needs to pack on 20 lbs while keeping his conditioning to become Mr.Olympia. He does have better taper than Jay from the front due to his smaller waist and because his lavicles are wider, but he is still along shot from being good enough to be a standard-bearer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I'm not going to bother with you. I can't bother with with lying fatsos claiming a Mensa IQ, and frustrated with women because they can't get laid.
Go along now, I mean you are ND's lapdog afterall.
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I'm not going to bother with you. I can't bother with with lying fatsos claiming a Mensa IQ, and frustrated with women because they can't get laid.
Go along now, I mean you are ND's lapdog afterall.
You made a concisive defense of your argument, huh? Ad hominem invective is the sure admission of defeat. You can't dispute even one of the points I brought up. You know that you would be crushed trying to argue bodybuilding with me, so your resort to attacking my character. ;) I have news for you, sport: Wolfe is not the second coming of Sergio Oliva. He has:
- High lats
- Long torso.
- Short muscle bellies in his arms and the quad.
Thes are all major structural flaws. Wolfe can work on them and possible become Mr.Olympia,but he has a long road ahead of him. If you weren't so biased and retarded, you'd see that. He is genetically gifted enough to be a top pro, but his genetics do not put him on the level of Levrone or Oliva. Sorry. ;)
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His flaws are small claves, high lats and weak hamstrings.
His arms insert very low, they're quite full.. ::) I don't know where you get off saying he has short arms. ::)
The calves can be brought up.
The lats are countered because his back is pretty wide, and if you had bothered to look at the visual evidence, you'd have noticed that it was as wide as Jay's.
I'm not going to make any arguement on the hamstrings, as they are quite underdeveloped for someone of Wolf's mass.
You have not adressed Jay's poor conditioning. It looked as though he was guest posing; where as Wolf was dry and hard.
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His flaws are small claves, high lats and weak hamstrings.
High lats couple with insufficient back mass for a man of his size is a major flaw. You make it to be something unimportant, which it is not. Small calves compromise symmetry in all mandatories from the side and the back, and it takes away from the side chest, side triceps, back double biceps and rear lat spread. Again, a major flaw.
His arms insert very low, they're quite full.. I don't know where you get off saying he has short arms.
His outer triceps head is relatively short, and it takes away from him the side triceps. And both his triceps and biceps are small fro his delts.
The calves can be brought up.
Going by your logic, then any 110 lbs guy can be Mr.Olympia if he brings up all of his muscles. Waht's your point? what counts is how he shows in theday of the contest, and Wolfe didn't deliver big calves then. ;)
The lats are countered because his back is pretty wide, and if you had bothered to look at the visual evidence, you'd have noticed that it was as wide as Jay's.
Poor argument. Wolfe's bone structure is bigger than Jay's, so his back must be bigger than Jay''s for him to have a comparable back. And Cutler's lats insert lower than Wolfe's, who has high lats making his back even more subpar when compared to Jay's.
I'm not going to make any arguement on the hamstrings, as they are quite underdeveloped for someone of Wolf's mass.
Good.
You have not adressed Jay's poor conditioning. It looked as though he was guest posing; where as Wolf was dry and hard.
Jay's conditioning was definitely poor, no question. He was soft, holding water and still flat. In 2006 he was also soft, but at least very full. Wolfe's conditioning was better, but this is one of two things he had on Jay - the other being wider clavicles.
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I'm not going to bother with you. I can't bother with with lying fatsos claiming a Mensa IQ, and frustrated with women because they can't get laid.
Go along now, I mean you are ND's lapdog afterall.
Let me translate this " I can't counter this because I know I'm dead wrong but I'm trying to save face for a thread that backfired in my face . "
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High lats couple with insufficient back mass for a man of his size is a major flaw. You make it to be something unimportant, which it is not. Small calves compromise symmetry in all mandatories from the side and the back, and it takes away from the side chest, side triceps, back double biceps and rear lat spread. Again, a major flaw.
His outer triceps head is relatively short, and it takes away from him the side triceps. And both his triceps and biceps are small fro his delts.
Going by your logic, then any 110 lbs guy can be Mr.Olympia if he brings up all of his muscles. Waht's your point? what counts is how he shows in theday of the contest, and Wolfe didn't deliver big calves then. ;)
Poor argument. Wolfe's bone structure is bigger than Jay's, so his back must be bigger than Jay''s for him to have a comparable back. And Cutler's lats insert lower than Wolfe's, who has high lats making his back even more subpar when compared to Jay's.
Good.
Jay's conditioning was definitely poor, no question. He was soft, holding water and still flat. In 2006 he was also soft, but at least very full. Wolfe's conditioning was better, but this is one of two things he had on Jay - the other being wider clavicles.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Camel I bet you regret making this thread lmfao thats twice you just got owned
Great post ! suckmymuscle
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Camel I bet you regret making this thread lmfao thats twice you just got owned
Great post ! suckmymuscle
ND once said that he doesn't like women that are not in "compeition shape" shredded...and that all other women are fat ::)
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ND once said that he doesn't like women that are not in "compeition shape" shredded...and that all other women are fat ::)
I never said that , if you're going to make stiff up at least be creative .
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Camel I bet you regret making this thread lmfao thats twice you just got owned
Great post ! suckmymuscle
I sure did. ::)
If anything, you're the one who was owned. This thread shows you to be a madman.
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I sure did. ::)
If anything, you're the one who was owned. This thread shows you to be a madman.
No correction moron it shows you got owned by me than suckmymuscle oh and by Dennis Wolf himself sucker lol it shows you to be completely ignorant of how professional bodybuilding is judged
You claim Dennis Wolf won the 2007 Mr Olympia , Dennis HIMSELF says the obvious it was between Jay & Victor , next time moron put some thought into what you post this way you don't run the risk of looking stupid but by judging from most of your posts you don't care about looking stupid do you ;)
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Oh no there is a quite a bit of difference in their win/loss ratios Dorian's is 88% and Ronnie's is just 40% and that proves my point that Dorian was the more dominant bodybuilder of the two absolutely but what does that have to do with this?
So overall success is measured relatively as opposed to absolutely?
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ronnie coleman is better then dorian yates.
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ronnie coleman is better then dorian yates.
Exactly.
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ronnie coleman is better then dorian yates.
Stop trolling , go to the other thread for that ;) and Ronnie lost to Dorian eight times so when exactly was he better? lol
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Stop trolling , go to the other thread for that ;) and Ronnie lost to Dorian eight times so when exactly was he better? lol
2003. End thread now please.
Has NarcissisticDeity lost his effin marbles?
Yes. He has.
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ronnie coleman is better then dorian yates.
STFU you muscle worshipping schmoe.
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STFU you muscle worshipping schmoe.
hi dorian