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IFBB needs very strict drug-tests on every pro-bodybuilder and contest right now to save this industry ！
IFBB and Governor Arnold must start drug-tests at Arnold Classic March 1st 2008.
If they don’t do that , I wonder not just Hidetada Yamagishi be arrested .
more pro-bodybuilders will be caught in the future.
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If Arnold's political enemies keep on his case, the Arnold may one day turn out to be a tested show.
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Arnold for president so he can cool down the legislation and focus on this.
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Hey you guys take a look at Olympic Game .
If IOC don't enforce to do drug-test ,then how come ? no more audience ,no commercial income......etc.
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is Hide dead? Did he get shanked in the yard by a jealous, skinny inmate?
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Hey you guys take a look at Olympic Game .
If IOC don't enforce to do drug-test ,then how come ? no more audience ,no commercial income......etc.
IOC recognition means little to the IFBB and WADA are not interested cleaning up amature bb let alone pro bb.
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Nowadays pros already look shitty enough, drug testing will only make them shittier.
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As I've said before...anything to keep attention off illegal wars for profit, illegal wiretapping, and so on. ::)
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Steroids ,insulin, IGF-1 and GH has been the main factor in ruining this industry for years ,
I think that's why bodybuilding isn't as popular as other sports .
So do drug-test in pro bodybuilding right now, if we want save this industry and make more money from general public .
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Steroids ,insulin, IGF-1 and GH has been the main factor in ruining this industry for years ,
yes on the insulin and GH. it has ruined the aesthetics of bodybuilding.
I think that's why bodybuilding isn't as popular as other sports .
how about let's go back to the way things were in the 1960s, 1970s, and early 1980s? Large doses of anabolic steroids, but nothing else.
So do drug-test in pro bodybuilding right now, if we want save this industry and make more money from general public .
who would go to a pro show when you could see bigger guys at any local gym?
There already is a natural pro league, the WNBF. People aren't exactly rushing out to see their contests.
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should eliminate GH but encougage roiids
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IFBB needs very strict drug-tests on every pro-bodybuilder and contest right now to save this industry ！
IFBB and Governor Arnold must start drug-tests at Arnold Classic March 1st 2008.
If they don’t do that , I wonder not just Hidetada Yamagishi be arrested .
more pro-bodybuilders will be caught in the future.
go eat a D#ICK
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without stimulants probb is dead
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Yeah guys sitting in the audience outweighing the competitors on stage by 50 pounds,That will work ???
yes on the insulin and GH. it has ruined the aesthetics of bodybuilding.
how about let's go back to the way things were in the 1960s, 1970s, and early 1980s? Large doses of anabolic steroids, but nothing else.
To Bad there is no test for HGH,IGF,Slin
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Musclecenter, don't waste your energy. It's not gonna happen. And if it did, it would be even more unpopular. Naturals just aren't impressive when people know what pros look like.
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Musclecenter, don't waste your energy. It's not gonna happen. And if it did, it would be even more unpopular. Naturals just aren't impressive when people know what pros look like.
I know that
But I think that it's only way to go .
If those controlled substances still listed as class 3 illegal drugs, then more pro bodybuilders will be arrested in the future.
So IFBB should enforce to do drug-test or lobby US Congress to eliminate those controlled substances from the strict law to legalize it !
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bullshit !! legalize it....
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I know that
But I think that it's only way to go .
If those controlled substances still listed as class 3 illegal drugs, then more pro bodybuilders will be arrested in the future.
So IFBB should enforce to do drug-test or lobby US Congress to eliminate those controlled substances from the strict law !
Possibly, but bodybuilding being a relatively minor sport is actually working to its advantage. Baseball and football and all other sports are in the media light about gear, no mention of bodybuilding. It may come under investigation later on, but right now bodybuilding is safe.
Hidetada was dumb. It was his fault he got caught. More pros wont get busted. Most are smart enough not to go on a plane carrying gear.
Hell just legalise it all. Sport will never be clean anymore. Let everyone have access to it.
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IFBB needs very strict drug-tests on every pro-bodybuilder and contest right now to save this industry ！
IFBB and Governor Arnold must start drug-tests at Arnold Classic March 1st 2008.
If they don’t do that , I wonder not just Hidetada Yamagishi be arrested .
more pro-bodybuilders will be caught in the future.
dude..the olympic athletes are the most drug tested in the world and they still cheat
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Heh.
Natural pro bodybuilding? What a joke!
It's great when you have drug-free impresive physique. If I see good 180 pound physique at the beach I think it's great for this guy keeping care of himself and working out but I'm not going to bodybuilding contest to watch that physique! Sports are entertainment and why in the hell should someone stop the development? If you want to see natural bodybuilders go to some natural contest! These guys are great and I have a lot of respect for natural guys but they in my eyes aren't professional athletes - and I wouldn't pay $80 for a ticket to get see them in contest...
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Heh.
Natural pro bodybuilding? What a joke!
It's great when you have drug-free impresive physique. If I see good 180 pound physique at the beach I think it's great for this guy keeping care of himself and working out but I'm not going to bodybuilding contest to watch that physique! Sports are entertainment and why in the hell should someone stop the development? If you want to see natural bodybuilders go to some natural contest! These guys are great and I have a lot of respect for natural guys but they in my eyes aren't professional athletes - and I wouldn't pay $80 for a ticket to get see them in contest...
haha... and then you learn that the good looking 180 lbs beach body takes Winstrol...
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guys, drug testing does not mean drug free athletes.. look at the ifbb world championships, they are drug tested and we know that many of the superheavy freaks are very from drug free.. they know how to get around the test.. the pros will know this info also and get around the test.. the term "drug tested" just sounds better for the people at home..
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And, in my humble opinion, as someone mentioned the WNBF, MANY, but not all, of those fellows do a superb job of circumventing their "drug tests".
Mike
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drugs are your friends
don't treat them like that
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IFBB needs very strict drug-tests on every pro-bodybuilder and contest right now to save this industry ！
IFBB and Governor Arnold must start drug-tests at Arnold Classic March 1st 2008.
If they don’t do that , I wonder not just Hidetada Yamagishi be arrested .
more pro-bodybuilders will be caught in the future.
If it werent for drugs, Hide wouldn't be a pro-bodybuilder
let's get rid of the only thing that makes the sport interesting
solid plan
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guys, drug testing does not mean drug free athletes.. look at the ifbb world championships, they are drug tested and we know that many of the superheavy freaks are very from drug free.. they know how to get around the test.. the pros will know this info also and get around the test.. the term "drug tested" just sounds better for the people at home..
IFBB world championships's drug-test not strict enouth ! they only do random test(2 of top 6 competitors)
Some of their drug-test are controversial too !!
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drug tests.... doing that will bring back bodybuilding the way it should be
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you cant do any test to test for hormones unles it is BLOOD TEST TAKEN EVERY WEEK STARTING AT THE 20 WEEK PRE COMPETITION UP TO THE COMPETITION NIGHT ,,that is the only drug test that will assure natural CLEAN competition since we will hormonize ourselve in the offseason,,but blood test every week last 20 weeks should bring on clean athletes to stage,,ONLY BLOOD TEST AND IT WILL COST GOOD $ SO FORGET ABOUT IT
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you cant do any test to test for hormones unles it is BLOOD TEST TAKEN EVERY WEEK STARTING AT THE 20 WEEK PRE COMPETITION UP TO THE COMPETITION NIGHT ,,that is the only drug test that will assure natural CLEAN competition since we will hormonize ourselve in the offseason,,but blood test every week last 20 weeks should bring on clean athletes to stage,,ONLY BLOOD TEST AND IT WILL COST GOOD $ SO FORGET ABOUT IT
I totally agree !!!
Maybe need scan too.
Anyway IFBB is a very rich federation !they can do it if they want .
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Steroids ,insulin, IGF-1 and GH has been the main factor in ruining this industry for years ,
I think that's why bodybuilding isn't as popular as other sports .
So do drug-test in pro bodybuilding right now, if we want save this industry and make more money from general public .
first of all the problem is not only in ro bodybuilding it is every sport and every amatuer too not only professional,,
secondly the problem is not gh insulin and aas ,,the problem is a recreational drug problem that include painkiller and stimulants that considered narcotics in their nature (ghb),,thats what need to be cleaned,,
not to forget that for possesion of steroids in the 10k level which means local dealer in no where to be found usa like ,,wil give the dealer 15k bond after taken in with not even one day of jail time,,usually heavy fine and probation if at all,,
when you talk 200k bonds and 4 weeks detentios and prion for months and milos and palumbo and valentino and those criminals you talk recreational drugs as in narcotics and painkillers not little test vial and deca,,you talk bulk here friends,,
the usuall typical user of 300$ order once every couple months is not even looked at because the dea officers themselves do this orders for themselevs,,remember they are lifters too ;)
you are talking here about big bonds of big criminals ,,you dont put someone month in and put 200k on him in for 2 vials of testosterone
bodybuilding need to take distance DISTANCE from palumbo from valentino from milos from anyone to do with them or around them and from many other guros such as chad and others
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Anyway IFBB is a very rich federation !they can do it if they want .
Sure, they can spend $1000 or 2 per athlete per contest. Have to raise the entry fees a bit though.
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Yeah guys sitting in the audience outweighing the competitors on stage by 50 pounds,That will work ???To Bad there is no test for HGH,IGF,Slin
There is a test for HGH, but no one in any industry or sport has implimented it..........yet. Too expensive to test.
When they find a test for slin........Milos is out of business.
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im starting to hold all naturals in contempt,,, the consentration camp look they bring to the stage makes me wonder why they even bother turning up.. that isnt what bodybuilding is about, bodybuilding is about building muscle, and actualy looking like you train
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musclecenter is just pissed that American BBs have it easier than their foreign counterparts.
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musclecenter is just pissed that American BBs have it easier than their foreign counterparts.
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I'm sure Uncle Joe wouldn't mind holding Cutler's tallywacker while he passes water.
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musclecenter is just pissed that American BBs have it easier than their foreign counterparts.
How do ya figure? Having gear is a felony here and other countries it is legal.
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How do ya figure? Having gear is a felony here and other countries it is legal.
Foreign BB drug testing.
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Foreign BB drug testing.
I laugh every time I here a Pro BB talk about how they passed the drug test. ::) They should never say they "passed" the drug test, they should say they "beat" the drug test.
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I laugh every time I here a Pro BB talk about how they passed the drug test. ::) They should never say they "passed" the drug test, they should say they "beat" the drug test.
Well said
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Nowadays pros already look shitty enough, drug testing will only make them shittier.
I dont think so. Maybe we can get back those glory days of BBing when Bob paris or Mohamed makkawy were there.
For example, Melvin Anthoney may be still look bigger than these two even if he quit injecting.And that size is enough to be real artistic mode like these two.
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drug tests.... doing that will bring back bodybuilding the way it should be
Also known as mens fitness competitions...
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I dont think so. Maybe we can get back those glory days of BBing when Bob paris or Mohamed makkawy were there.
so you're saying yes to large doses of anabolic steorids, but no to GH, insulin, diuretics and the rest?
For example, Melvin Anthoney may be still look bigger than these two even if he quit injecting.And that size is enough to be real artistic mode like these two.
if he stopped injecting what? AS? no.
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I dont think so. Maybe we can get back those glory days of BBing when Bob paris or Mohamed makkawy were there.
For example, Melvin Anthoney may be still look bigger than these two even if he quit injecting.And that size is enough to be real artistic mode like these two.
:D
you are killing me here friends,,melvin with no hormones is about 160lb with 5 lb barbel in his hand after a good heavy chineaze meal,,melvin is VERY VERY SMALL GUY,,youre crazy :D,,melvin anthony ...atleast take some check republic or russian and not the smallest guys you can find,,melvin with no drugs = no bodybuilding and most likley no lifting
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Once again gh, your stupidity amazes me. It is quite easy to test for anabolics, measure LH and FSH hormone levels. I am not going to explain why it works, you should know why as a guru right ;) There was talk about implementing this in the IOC, but I don't recall what the outcome was. Also for insulin, have you ever heard of C - peptide, I am sure you have guru ;) The fact that people have to understand is that bodybuilding can be a healthy natural sport, but you have dealers/gurus/idiots like gh here who try to brainwash the public for there own benefit.
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
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IFBB needs very strict drug-tests on every pro-bodybuilder and contest right now to save this industry ！
IFBB and Governor Arnold must start drug-tests at Arnold Classic March 1st 2008.
If they don’t do that , I wonder not just Hidetada Yamagishi be arrested .
more pro-bodybuilders will be caught in the future.
dwugs awe teeewwwible ::)
save this industry? what fucking "saving" this industry? Is there something, cum mark? Like, I don't see why you have to be all super lame about this stewoid thingy
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Once again gh, your stupidity amazes me. It is quite easy to test for anabolics, measure LH and FSH hormone levels. I am not going to explain why it works, you should know why as a guru right ;) There was talk about implementing this in the IOC, but I don't recall what the outcome was. Also for insulin, have you ever heard of C - peptide, I am sure you have guru ;) The fact that people have to understand is that bodybuilding can be a healthy natural sport, but you have dealers/gurus/idiots like gh here who try to brainwash the public for there own benefit.
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
only BLOOD TEST WILL WORK and will not be uinplemented because your bodybuilding is going to stop from existing if it is ,,so dont come here and throw send in those kids faces with yoru 10 posts and sophisticated name,,here they dont buy it ,,smart kids are on this board andt ehre is lots of truth behind their "cruelty in posts",,you also know that everyone in the fuckin bodybuilding industry reads their posts and read gh15 respons and wanna shoot gh15 in the head for saying the truth,,so dont come here and talk out of your asshole,
only blood test works ,,and only blood test taken in specific times will show clean not natural but clean bodybuilder,,
the gamazine MD is at ENOURMOUS RISK,,you have hired more than couple felons and crooks that bringing bodybuilding down,,you are drugs addict and rely on narcotics and on my dead body you will ruin bodybuiling ,,you can use nice language and highly sophisticated american englsih or british english ,,it wont matter when the dea knock your doors out their axis and close you up ,,its a matter of tie till you stay with no magazine because you are stupid ,,strupid people who dont know when hormone stops and narcotics begin,,you are ADDICTS,,the american goverment doesnt even have to close you up they can take half your stuff one by one that sits on us grounds and eliminate your scam in 100 days starting now,,when and where is their choice not gh15s,,can be now tomorrow in 30 days and in a year but it will happen the way you going
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It is quite easy to test for anabolics, measure LH and FSH hormone levels.
sure it is, but that costs money. dozen random drug tests throughout the year would make it difficult, but not impossible, to use performance enhancing drugs, especially for an amateur athlete with limited funds. but who is going to pay for those dozen random drug tests?
The fact that people have to understand is that bodybuilding can be a healthy natural sport,
when was it a healthy natural sport? Not in the 1980s, or 70s, or 60s, or even 50s. We know Grimek knew about AS in 1938 (test esters were mentioned in the Nov 38 issue of Strength and Health). Why wouldn't he have tried them out prior to his two Mr America wins?
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Drugs can be used by whomever wants to use them. It's more than true, though, that everything evolves-even tastes...and there isn't a person on this board that can honestly say to themselves that the taste of the general public isn't more geared to the WAY smaller, more athletic looking build. Even though our current champ is still among the mass monsters, I think even the drug sport is showing major signs of evolution-and most of these signs are due to the fact that, whatever you want to blame it on, IFBB bodybuilders are dying-or, at the very least, someone is in the hospital every two seconds(or prison).
Maybe in the near future, competitive bbing is just going to die out...I don't know, but I know it's not going to keep going in this same direction. The athletes being the way they are right now is not so much the problem as it is a symptom of the problem. The problem is the audience's lust for freakiness. The solution, and I see this being realized as we speak, is the fact that that lust is being or even has been fufilled now. People's tastes have changed. Even the biggest fans of IFBB bodybuilding dislike today's bodybuilding and bodybuilders-just check out this forum any time of the day, any day of the week-you'll never find a group of 'fans' more hateful for the very sport or hobby, or whatever you want to call it, they are claiming to be fans of. If you don't think this is true, then I don't know what else to say...I guess I'd say that you haven't actually been reading the board.
Bottom line, the truth or the best path makes itself known in all areas of life. And this one is no different. People hating on drug users need to calm down and other people's decisions, and drug users and their fans whining about the lack of appeal of the smaller physiques need to open up their minds a little bit and stop looking at bodybuilding as a their way to make up for something lacking in their lives.
....one last little comment, I think that the use of drugs AND SUPPLEMENTS has also had a negative affect on the totally clean(drug and supplement free) bodybuilders. When those two things started dominating the sport, research went into them rather than into how to build bigger and stronger bodies without these things. There's been tons done now of course, but think of how much more could have been done. Also think of how the bbers back in the day, totally natural or low dose early AAS users, all tended to look a lot bigger and stronger than the naturals of today. I wonder if that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that they were forced to get there on their own steam rather than with help from a bunch of external sources.
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Drugs can be used by whomever wants to use them. It's more than true, though, that everything evolves-even tastes...and there isn't a person on this board that can honestly say to themselves that the taste of the general public isn't more geared to the WAY smaller, more athletic looking build. Even though our current champ is still among the mass monsters, I think even the drug sport is showing major signs of evolution-and most of these signs are due to the fact that, whatever you want to blame it on, IFBB bodybuilders are dying-or, at the very least, someone is in the hospital every two seconds(or prison).
Maybe in the near future, competitive bbing is just going to die out...I don't know, but I know it's not going to keep going in this same direction. The athletes being the way they are right now is not so much the problem as it is a symptom of the problem. The problem is the audience's lust for freakiness. The solution, and I see this being realized as we speak, is the fact that that lust is being or even has been fufilled now. People's tastes have changed. Even the biggest fans of IFBB bodybuilding dislike today's bodybuilding and bodybuilders-just check out this forum any time of the day, any day of the week-you'll never find a more hateful group of 'fans' for a sport or hobby or whatever you want to call it.
Bottom line, the truth or the best path makes itself known in all areas of life. And this one is no different. People hating on drug users need to calm down and other people's decisions, and drug users and their fans whining about the lack of appeal of the smaller physiques need to open up their minds a little bit and stop looking at bodybuilding as a their way to make up for something lacking in their lives.
ehhhhh.... no
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Drugs can be used by whomever wants to use them. It's more than true, though, that everything evolves-even tastes...and there isn't a person on this board that can honestly say to themselves that the taste of the general public isn't more geared to the WAY smaller, more athletic looking build. Even though our current champ is still among the mass monsters, I think even the drug sport is showing major signs of evolution-and most of these signs are due to the fact that, whatever you want to blame it on, IFBB bodybuilders are dying-or, at the very least, someone is in the hospital every two seconds(or prison).
Maybe in the near future, competitive bbing is just going to die out...I don't know, but I know it's not going to keep going in this same direction. The athletes being the way they are right now is not so much the problem as it is a symptom of the problem. The problem is the audience's lust for freakiness. The solution, and I see this being realized as we speak, is the fact that that lust is being or even has been fufilled now. People's tastes have changed. Even the biggest fans of IFBB bodybuilding dislike today's bodybuilding and bodybuilders-just check out this forum any time of the day, any day of the week-you'll never find a more hateful group of 'fans' for a sport or hobby or whatever you want to call it.
Bottom line, the truth or the best path makes itself known in all areas of life. And this one is no different. People hating on drug users need to calm down and other people's decisions, and drug users and their fans whining about the lack of appeal of the smaller physiques need to open up their minds a little bit and stop looking at bodybuilding as a their way to make up for something lacking in their lives.
all good and nice,,all lovely language,,ll interesting for books ,,
the reality is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GENETICS,,most of bodybuilders cant even pass the 6 feet height and many of them are arms only,,it is THE RESPONSE TO HORMONES THAT MAKES YOU A BODYBUILDER ,,many naturals are way stronger than bodybuilder on hormone,,BUT ITS THE RESPONSE TO HORMONES AND SADLU OTHER DRUGS THAT MAKE YOU A PROFESSIONAL ,,,it is HOW MUCH RISK YOU WILLING TO TAKE TO YOUR HEALTH INORDER TO BECOME A PRO OR EVEN NATIONAL COMPETITOR,,
EVERY ONE CAN PLACE TOP 10 NATIONALS BODYBUILDING COMPETITOON,, ANY ONE AND EVERY ONE ,,from dady wady to sevastase to squadfather to alexx to donky to anyone i remember their name and to ones i forgot,,
if that moderator from this board mindspan jad the mega doses approach todrugs that jason or lee had or ken had ,,he too would be able to be top 10 o and compete for the title or at the least a professional,, but he would be top o competitor because he has what professional bodybuilding uniqely want to call muscle shape..and that would put him at high level professional competition rather than only a professional card holder,,,
so there you have it,,,anyone can be a professional and any one with muscle shape can e top professional,,i can assure you that out of this board at the least 100 guys could look better than palumbo and actually win a show if they were willing to do the crimes and risk to health that palumbo took
the problem bodybuildnig has is enourmous and nothing can change because the moment you change it ....there is no more bodybulding,,gh15 tells you that the average gym rat that doesnt even look like he can win state show in usa is on lots of goods,,the top amatuer and profesional are on double and triple that and all legit too + better responds but every one is on there is no natural as of end of 2007 begining 2008
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The athletes being the way they are right now is not so much the problem as it is a symptom of the problem. The problem is the audience's lust for freakiness.
yet, attendance at both amateur and pro contests are way down. the problem is with the judging. no one wants to go back to the 1950s, but stop rewarding distended bellies and grainy skin.
Also think of how the bbers back in the day, totally natural or low dose early AAS users, all tended to look a lot bigger and stronger than the naturals of today.
examples please. You have to go back to the early 1950s to find totally natural or low dose bodybuilders.
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those are the ones I'm talking about-the guys from the 50's and before...Pearl, Reeves, Dilinger(sp?), Clarence Ross, even draper...etc. Those guys are all more impressive than nearly all of the natural physiques today-excluding their conditioning. I think that makes natural bodybuilding one of the few activities that it could be argued actually REGRESSED! Maybe some of those guys were using-definitely Drapes, but not even in the realm of today. It's all got to go though. With every additional variable, conclusive results become and harder and harder to draw. I'd love to see a whole field of research dedicated to athletes who all eat the same thing, who all eat the same things, who all do the same things day in and day out, and who all sleep roughly the same amount. Then we would have a good base of knowledge. I know that is hard to do though...and even harder to fund!
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those are the ones I'm talking about-the guys from the 50's and before...Pearl, Reeves, Dilinger(sp?), Clarence Ross, even draper...etc.
Reeves was natural while he competed. The others were not.
There is an article in Strength and Health about Delinger, already a national level bodybuilder, going out to California the summer before his Mr America win to go train at Yarick's gym in Oakland, and coming back 30 pounds heavier.
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i adore the look of bill pearl what was he on? ha
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what is surprising to me is that the IFBB doesn't have a phony drug test system in place like all the other pro sports...
That way they could suspend anyone who gets out of line just by having them test hot...
Just imagine the meltdowns that Lee Priest would have had when he continuing came up positive...That would have made great theater...Or nail a guy like Derek Farnsworth just for the fuck of it...
Most of these guys are cherry picked to do well anyways, why not just go all out and get some positive tests out there...It would be great for the message boards...
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i adore the look of bill pearl what was he on? ha
same as everyone else in the late 50s and 60s: dbol
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Reeves was natural while he competed. The others were not.
There is an article in Strength and Health about Delinger, already a national level bodybuilder, going out to California the summer before his Mr America win to go train at Yarick's gym in Oakland, and coming back 40 pounds heavier.
alright, well let's say that's true-although, I'm not convinced it is...even if it is-the other 'natural' bbers of today that are using even more than whatever those guys were using still don't look as good. Again, with the exception of their conditioning. But that is really the weaker part of my first argument-you may be right, they might all have been using. The point I'm trying to make is that without drugs or SUPPS, people are forced to build a physique with good food and proper amounts of sleep-which are far fewer variables and easier to control and monitor than what we have now.
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The point I'm trying to make is that without drugs or SUPPS, people are forced to build a physique with good food and proper amounts of sleep-which are far fewer variables and easier to control and monitor than what we have now.
I agree that people today don't train as well as they use to, but the reason is they don't need to with GH and insulin, not anabolic steroids.
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alright, but those two things still fall under the umbrella of drugs and supps, imo. I should have said 'drugs' instead of steroids.
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alright, but those two things still fall under the umbrella of drugs and supps, imo. I should have said 'drugs' instead of steroids.
but you're idolizing the past, using the top bodybuilders of the time as examples of what could be accomplished naturally. but they weren't natural.
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gh15 is right.
Drugs make bodybuilding.. Sorry, that's just the truth.
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gh15 is right.
Drugs make bodybuilding.. Sorry, that's just the truth.
that's not the truth, but that's the kind of comment that is made because of exactly what I have already said. Who is to know that that isn't the truth if we haven't actually had truly drug or supp free bodybuilding for...coming on 60 years. Most everyone is convinced, now, because of the infiltration of drugs and supps that dramatic gains without them are impossible, and in some cases, even worse, that GAINS AT ALL are impossible.
And as I said before, if they were all on, then you're right. But I'm not convinced they were. Dbol was introduced in the mid to late 50s-it doesn't mean that everyone at the time started taking. For the most part, those guys either deny entirely or admit to very low dosage. I believe them. You don't have to. As far as them making great gains in short periods of time, that doesn't mean they are on-that just means that they made great gains in a short period of time. Everyone has those periods-and they were the cream of the crop at the time. But like I said before, that argument is my secondary argument. What I said prior is more important.
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IFBB needs very strict drug-tests on every pro-bodybuilder and contest right now to save this industry ！
IFBB and Governor Arnold must start drug-tests at Arnold Classic March 1st 2008.
If they don’t do that , I wonder not just Hidetada Yamagishi be arrested .
more pro-bodybuilders will be caught in the future.
Have you been sleeping for the last 20 years?
A lot of sports are tested, but with enough cash you can pass ANY drug test. Some doping doctors make organizations like WADA look like fools. They are years ahead of doping tests.
Pro sports need MORE drugs.
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Dbol was introduced in the mid to late 50s-it doesn't mean that everyone at the time started taking.
all the top guys were. and test esters were available to the elite athletes in the 1940s.
For the most part, those guys either deny entirely or admit to very low dosage. I believe them.
low dose is not natural. an athlete taking 200 mg/week has a big advantage over someone who is not, especially as you get older.
back in the 1930s and 40s, bodybuilding was a very young man's sport. 25 was considered at one's peak. 30 was old. 35 was very old. that's because you still have all that natural adolescent testosterone in your early 20s. There were very few top level competition bodybuilders in their late 20s or early 30s. the availability of AS changed all that.
Paul, you're so keen on natural bodybuilding because at 25 you can still see gains. Come talk to us in 10 years.
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haha, I am DEFINITELY not claiming that low dose is natural-I am trying to put things in perspective though. Low dose is considered natural by today's standards, and it's today's standards that I am trying to compare the bbers of old too. Today's natural, I would say, is actually defined more closely as bbers who are using everything but GH, Insulin, and Test. I'm also suggesting that rather than just assume everyone from the late '50s and early '60s is lying through their teeth(when they don't have a lot of reason to anymore) that we at least entertain the idea of giving them the benefit of the doubt if they say they haven't used.
And what can I say to that? I'm 25, there's not much I can do about it. I'm not going to keep my mouth shut until I'm 35; if I did that every 45 year old out there would tell me to wait until I was their age. In fact, when I was 15, the 25 year olds were saying the same thing.
Like I said before, I not against drug use; I am PRO drug and supp free bodybuilding. People can use drugs and do whatever they want to their bodies-if you aren't allowed to act, it is very hard to learn. I don't think drugs have ruined the sport, I think drugs have taught us all a lesson on how not to lead our lives-so if anything, they've helped us.
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IFBB needs very strict drug-tests on every pro-bodybuilder and contest right now to save this industry ！
IFBB and Governor Arnold must start drug-tests at Arnold Classic March 1st 2008.
If they don’t do that , I wonder not just Hidetada Yamagishi be arrested .
more pro-bodybuilders will be caught in the future.
You could use some steroids too "Mr Taiwan" If you trained for 35 years and look like this you are doing something terribly wrong.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117526.0;attach=139549;image)
maybe some HRT?
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And what can I say to that? I'm 25, there's not much I can do about it. I'm not going to keep my mouth shut until I'm 35; if I did that every 45 year old out there would tell me to wait until I was their age. In fact, when I was 15, the 25 year olds were saying the same thing.
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I not against drug use; I am PRO drug and supp free bodybuilding.
my point was you enjoy lifting weights because you see results. but you're reaching your natural limit and it will become harder to just stay where you are. you'll want to continue to make progress. my guess is that in 5-10 years you'll have tried AS.
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you are right about that-I am not growing the way I used to. I would be really suprised though if I looked into a crystal ball and saw myself using AS at anytime in the future, especially given the life I have led for the last several years.
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One thing that hasn't been considered is that someone like Schwarzenegger might decide to do a big scale natural show...
That would necessitate:
-regular (weekly) BLOOD testing of all competitors, for all substances for a YEAR before the contest
-concurrent regular random testing, unannounced on-the-spot BLOOD testing
-ultrasound scanning of athletes for site-injections
-proper judging standards without the emphasis on emaciated conditioning, but with an emphasis on proper classical posing
The only drawback would be the prohibitive cost of such private testing.... tens of thousands per athlete per week.
BUT... and it's a big but... a government body, such as say the Presidents Council on Fitness could bypass such costs by utilising a government lab. The governor of a prosperous state desperate to distance himself from the steroid issue for example could easily spearhead such an event.
I recently spoke with a few geneticists regarding DNA testing (in relation to my... ahem, interest in hominology), and I found that the cost versus price disparity can be substantial. For example, phylogenetic species identification by amplification of mtDNA recovered from scat and hair (the testing I was inquiring about) runs about $2,000 per sample...
The cost to the lab? About $50 per sample, plus the time of the technician.
Mass spectroscopy testing (steroid testing) is similarly disproportionately expensive relative to the costs involved (at least when using private labs that must recoup their equipment costs).
With enough political will behind it the Arnold Classic could be a legitimate natural contest for less than a quarter million dollars... I'd hazard a guess that such expenditure could easily be recouped by the increase in public/sponsorship interest.
The Luke
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I'd hazard a guess that such expenditure could easily be recouped by the increase in public/sponsorship interest.
there would be no increase in interest, and probably a decrease. there are plenty of natural (or pseudo-natural) bodybuilding contests out there, both at the amateur and pro levels. the fans aren't rushing out to see them. yes, pro bodybuilding has lost many of its fans because of the bloated stomachs and conditioning. but fans don't want to go back to the 50s, especially when they'll continue to be able to see steroided out guys at their local gym. Late 70s physiques might bring them back to the theaters, though.
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all the top guys were. and test esters were available to the elite athletes in the 1940s.
low dose is not natural. an athlete taking 200 mg/week has a big advantage over someone who is not, especially as you get older.
back in the 1930s and 40s, bodybuilding was a very young man's sport. 25 was considered at one's peak. 30 was old. 35 was very old. that's because you still have all that natural adolescent testosterone in your early 20s. There were very few top level competition bodybuilders in their late 20s or early 30s. the availability of AS changed all that.
Paul, you're so keen on natural bodybuilding because at 25 you can still see gains. Come talk to us in 10 years.
why 10 years? he will start at age 27-28 like many other gym members that want superior body among every day little town usa ussr sweden uk etc etc,,,most of the non competetive guys around the world (EXLUDING USA) start at ages 27-28 mostly for the girl to take notice and to be physically big muscular male that attracts female attention no matter what,,and if they have brain they get those females with no problems,,in usa iti s a big diff for the average age of hormone user is 21 year old for non competetive and 18-19 for competetive as of 2007,,in usa it is big problem most none competetive do it for female attraction reasons and inorder to get hhot and attractive females that are as insecure as the hormone user,,and that is the main problem
in usa the starting age is so young,, and in many cases not for competition reasons,,that those kids ruin their lives straight out ,,at the begginign they are looking big and swole with many spotting quality to their muscle because they seriously try to train and train as serious as they take hormones but it doesnt work for long time,,it always fall big time when you start that young for the wrong reasons and you always end up looking worse than when you started especially if you dont have training as first priority,,
the reason many american kids look so big and beefy is hormones and not genetics,,their so called genetics is FAT ,,big and fat are 2 diff things although are very easily confused in usa,,big should always happen at 10% bodyfat and not even 1% higher,,if you are 200 or 220lb at 15-20% you are not big you are fat and that is where many of the 20 year old kids on hormjones sit
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The Pro BB Industry is already a complete joke to the mainstream.......there is nothing to save..
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"so dont come here and throw send in those kids faces with yoru 10 posts and sophisticated name,,here they dont buy it ,,smart kids are on this board andt ehre is lots of truth behind their "cruelty in posts",,you also know that everyone in the fuckin bodybuilding industry reads their posts and read gh15 respons and wanna shoot gh15 in the head for saying the truth,,so dont come here and talk out of your asshole"
Looks like a hit a nerve with you gh. the only difference between me and "the kids," is that I understand and know the bullshit you feed to this board. Nobody wants to shoot you in the head for saying the truth, because the so called science you preach is BULLSHIT, plain and simple.
"only blood test works ,,and only blood test taken in specific times will show clean not natural but clean bodybuilder,"
This is another prime example of your lack of knowledge. Do you know how long it takes for FSH and LH to affect the production of testosterone via leydig cells in the testis? Using these two values, you can very easily tell if someone has used over the last couple months. But you already knew this ;)
the gamazine MD is at ENOURMOUS RISK,,you have hired more than couple felons and crooks that bringing bodybuilding down,,you are drugs addict and rely on narcotics and on my dead body you will ruin bodybuiling ,,you can use nice language and highly sophisticated american englsih or british english ,,it wont matter when the dea knock your doors out their axis and close you up ,,its a matter of tie till you stay with no magazine because you are stupid ,,strupid people who dont know when hormone stops and narcotics begin,,you are ADDICTS,,the american goverment doesnt even have to close you up they can take half your stuff one by one that sits on us grounds and eliminate your scam in 100 days starting now,,when and where is their choice not gh15s,,can be now tomorrow in 30 days and in a year but it will happen the way you going
I do not work for MD, nor I suscribe to their magazine. My MD refers to my medical doctorate. I don't care what people say about anabolics, as long as it is scienticially sound. However, you again and again state absurd statements which send the sentiment that one can not have a good physique without taking insulin, GH, and anabolics. I personally believe that you are a 3rd class dealer who is trying to rile up business by preaching falsehoods on forums. This sentiment needs to be changed in the bodybuilding world, and once it does, then and only then will the IFBB feel the need to change. To get rid of this sentiment, so called gurus/dealers/idiots like you gh need to be distanced from this sport.
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
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"so dont come here and throw send in those kids faces with yoru 10 posts and sophisticated name,,here they dont buy it ,,smart kids are on this board andt ehre is lots of truth behind their "cruelty in posts",,you also know that everyone in the fuckin bodybuilding industry reads their posts and read gh15 respons and wanna shoot gh15 in the head for saying the truth,,so dont come here and talk out of your asshole"
Looks like a hit a nerve with you gh. the only difference between me and "the kids," is that I understand and know the bullshit you feed to this board. Nobody wants to shoot you in the head for saying the truth, because the so called science you preach is BULLSHIT, plain and simple.
"only blood test works ,,and only blood test taken in specific times will show clean not natural but clean bodybuilder,"
This is another prime example of your lack of knowledge. Do you know how long it takes for FSH and LH to affect the production of testosterone via leydig cells in the testis? Using these two values, you can very easily tell if someone has used over the last couple months. But you already knew this ;)
the gamazine MD is at ENOURMOUS RISK,,you have hired more than couple felons and crooks that bringing bodybuilding down,,you are drugs addict and rely on narcotics and on my dead body you will ruin bodybuiling ,,you can use nice language and highly sophisticated american englsih or british english ,,it wont matter when the dea knock your doors out their axis and close you up ,,its a matter of tie till you stay with no magazine because you are stupid ,,strupid people who dont know when hormone stops and narcotics begin,,you are ADDICTS,,the american goverment doesnt even have to close you up they can take half your stuff one by one that sits on us grounds and eliminate your scam in 100 days starting now,,when and where is their choice not gh15s,,can be now tomorrow in 30 days and in a year but it will happen the way you going
I do not work for MD, nor I suscribe to their magazine. My MD refers to my medical doctorate. I don't care what people say about anabolics, as long as it is scienticially sound. However, you again and again state absurd statements which send the sentiment that one can not have a good physique without taking insulin, GH, and anabolics. I personally believe that you are a 3rd class dealer who is trying to rile up business by preaching falsehoods on forums. This sentiment needs to be changed in the bodybuilding world, and once it does, then and only then will the IFBB feel the need to change. To get rid of this sentiment, so called gurus/dealers/idiots like you gh need to be distanced from this sport.
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
20 posts to you name,,md,,high language,,sounds like the luke with the high language,,those things dont work on gh15,, mds know nothing about hormones,,have no clue about anything to do with hormones,,they dont understand anything to do with use of hormones and their sides so you lost me at the md,,theories are good for books my friend,,
now ,,more than likley you are someome like palumbo if not palumbo himself,,you are a walking criminal with long past of felonies saying about other person he is a dealer when in reality that person can bust your ass in a matter of hours,,99% youre another of those milos nd palumbo md type of team that walking criminals and fellons on us grounds,,you will get out of bodybuilding i assure you that ,,you will,,even if this is the last thing on earth gh15 does for bodybuilding future sake
mark and date you fellon and dont even try to answer because youre dismissed
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there would be no increase in interest, and probably a decrease. there are plenty of natural (or pseudo-natural) bodybuilding contests out there, both at the amateur and pro levels. the fans aren't rushing out to see them. yes, pro bodybuilding has lost many of its fans because of the bloated stomachs and conditioning. but fans don't want to go back to the 50s, especially when they'll continue to be able to see steroided out guys at their local gym. Late 70s physiques might bring them back to the theaters, though.
...good point Tim.
I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the viability of truly natural shows where there would be a minimum bodyfat measurement.
The biggest problem that I see with natural bodybuilding is the requirement that competitors have ripped glutes in order to be considered competitive... Guys like Rob Hope (probably the best natural around) can carry off the low bodyfat look very well, but most naturals look like stringbeans at 5% bf and below.
I firmly believe that a MINIMUM bodyfat measurement is required.
In practice that would mean offering a standardised testing procedure to all competing athletes in the months coming up to the contest, thereby allowing competitors to aim for a 7% bf standard. Still ripped and detailed, but sufficiently full to allow the men keep their sex-specific (alpha receptor) fat tissue: abs and detail but with soft glutes and smooth upper thighs.
In conjunction with 70s style trunks and proper classical posing this requirement (and subsequent new judging standards) would give bodybuilding some much needed credibility.
If natural competitors looked healthier it would also certainly help popularity.
Your thoughts Tim?
The Luke
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You could use some steroids too "Mr Taiwan" If you trained for 35 years and look like this you are doing something terribly wrong.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117526.0;attach=139549;image)
maybe some HRT?
I don't know why so many weak minded friends here??
"juiced or not" ,"natural or unnatural" is a very pesonal claim ,anyway.I am not intend to offend juicers .
But I post under my real name ,real pics ,adress .
I don't care who give a shit or not ,I have responsible for my claims.
As a veteran in bodybuiding over 35 years ,I know that there are still a lot of very hard trainning natural bodybuilders around world .
This is a English bodybuilding web-side .But most of them can't speak and write good in English.
Who can hear their voices ???
**By the way ,I am still very proud of my physique as a 54 old fart ;D ;D
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yes I think that the super dry conditioning that you often see at major NPC shows is unhealthy and turns many fans off. but you can't achieve that look without drugs. what drug tested show are you attending where they're coming in that dry?
I think the guys in the WNBF look fine, but I don't really believe that they're lifetime drug free.
http://wnbf.net/wnbfcontestresults.htm
The guys in Musclemania look healthy too, but again, they're not really drug free.
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yes I think that the super dry conditioning that you often see at major NPC shows is unhealthy and turns many fans off. but you can't achieve that look without drugs. what drug tested show are you attending where they're coming in that dry?
I think the guys in the WNBF look fine, but I don't really believe that they're lifetime drug free.
http://wnbf.net/wnbfcontestresults.htm
The guys in Musclemania look healthy too, but again, they're not really drug free.
99% agree
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yes I think that the super dry conditioning that you often see at major NPC shows is unhealthy and turns many fans off. but you can't achieve that look without drugs. what drug tested show are you attending where they're coming in that dry?
I think the guys in the WNBF look fine, but I don't really believe that they're lifetime drug free.
http://wnbf.net/wnbfcontestresults.htm
The guys in Musclemania look healthy too, but again, they're not really drug free.
look,,there is no natural in bodybuilding or fitness now days,,rarely you will find them in figure and i mean rarely!! because most all fitness girls are on constant use of clenbuterol t3 phentarmine and mild duretics ,,with gh as base for most figure bodybuilding and figure girls
the worst liars are the one who claim natural on those organizations,,they abuse the system and are scared pussies to get cought ,,they cant grow to hormonized level and chose to do little and keep their small size and call themselves natural,,
but the worst of the worst are the ones who go from using higher doses into "natural" comptition,,those are the ones gh15 hope gewt busted on regular basis because those are the ones who will sell the innocent bodybuilder garbage and stuff you wouldnt put in a mouce saying its fountain of youth,,those are the worst and attached are 2 pictures of the group example
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For sure people are not rushing to see natural shows right now, the competitors just aren't at the level they need to be yet. I think in the next few years, though, they will be. As more and more of the public demand that athletes be drug free, more and more will be that way-and with more competitors come better competitors...and just like in the drug sport, real drug free freaks will emerge and make a big scene.
We all know that 'natural bodybuilding' today is too infilitrated with drugs, but they're not all users. Most aren't. Many of the winners are, but the majority of all the competitors aren't. Once the drug use starts though, it's just going to increase and increase and soon the natural federations will start looking like the NPC or the IFBB-perfect example: Musclemania. Long story short, I'm not too worried. The drug users weed themselves out. The drug free sport is the only one that CAN emerge out of all of this.
When drug free competitors start getting better and better-and this is the only likely option-people will start paying even more attention. There is no other option, the public's tastes have changed and are changing-even the IFBB public-there are more cries than ever for the return of the aesthetic physique(and before you even say it, I know that is not a natural physique-but it is an indicator pointing in that direction).
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For sure people are not rushing to see natural shows right now, the competitors just aren't at the level they need to be yet. I think in the next few years, though, they will be. As more and more of the public demand that athletes be drug free, more and more will be that way-and with more competitors come better competitors...and just like in the drug sport, real drug free freaks will emerge and make a big scene.
We all know that 'natural bodybuilding' today is too infilitrated with drugs, but they're not all users. Most aren't. Many of the winners are, but the majority of all the competitors aren't. Once the drug use starts though, it's just going to increase and increase and soon the natural federations will start looking like the NPC or the IFBB-perfect example: Musclemania. Long story short, I'm not too worried. The drug users weed themselves out. The drug free sport is the only one that CAN emerge out of all of this.
When drug free competitors start getting better and better-and this is the only likely option-people will start paying even more attention. There is no other option, the public's tastes have changed and are changing-even the IFBB public-there are more cries than ever for the return of the aesthetic physique(and before you even say it, I know that is not a natural physique-but it is an indicator pointing in that direction).
Agree
Very very positive opinion !!
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For sure people are not rushing to see natural shows right now, the competitors just aren't at the level they need to be yet. I think in the next few years, though, they will be. As more and more of the public demand that athletes be drug free, more and more will be that way-and with more competitors come better competitors...and just like in the drug sport, real drug free freaks will emerge and make a big scene.
We all know that 'natural bodybuilding' today is too infilitrated with drugs, but they're not all users. Most aren't. Many of the winners are, but the majority of all the competitors aren't. Once the drug use starts though, it's just going to increase and increase and soon the natural federations will start looking like the NPC or the IFBB-perfect example: Musclemania. Long story short, I'm not too worried. The drug users weed themselves out. The drug free sport is the only one that CAN emerge out of all of this.
When drug free competitors start getting better and better-and this is the only likely option-people will start paying even more attention. There is no other option, the public's tastes have changed and are changing-even the IFBB public-there are more cries than ever for the return of the aesthetic physique(and before you even say it, I know that is not a natural physique-but it is an indicator pointing in that direction).
Won't happen dude. People always need to have an edge. And it's terribly easy to take some undetectable substances.
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As gh15 said before:
---you cant do any test to test for hormones unles it is BLOOD TEST TAKEN EVERY WEEK STARTING AT THE 20 WEEK PRE COMPETITION UP TO THE COMPETITION NIGHT ,,that is the only drug test that will assure natural CLEAN competition since we will hormonize ourselve in the offseason,,but blood test every week last 20 weeks should bring on clean athletes to stage,,ONLY BLOOD TEST
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Won't happen dude. People always need to have an edge. And it's terribly easy to take some undetectable substances.
but that's what I'm saying is happening now, and those people are going to weed themselves out with that attitude. Over the years, the guys who are always giving themselves the illegal drug edge are going to become very noticable-maybe not in drug tests(right away), but definitely to the public, and they won't be appreciated. I should note, too, that there just aren't any secrets anymore. People hear things and in addition to that, the time clock on the leniency of law enforcement on steroids and physique enhancing drugs is definitely ticking! Remember, just because they are only persecuting the dealers and the smugglers now doesn't mean that the judicial system isn't going to evolve as well and start tackling even the littlest of offenders.
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As more and more of the public demand that athletes be drug free,
the public is not demanding it. politicians and talk radio hosts are demanding it, but that's only because they want to appear 'politically correct'. The average person doesn't care. The average baseball fan wants to see guys with 20 inch arms hitting home runs.
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the public is not demanding it. politicians and talk radio hosts are demanding it, but that's only because they want to appear 'politically correct'. The average person doesn't care. The average baseball fan wants to see guys with 20 inch arms hitting home runs.
LOL
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the public is not demanding it. politicians and talk radio hosts are demanding it, but that's only because they want to appear 'politically correct'. The average person doesn't care. The average baseball fan wants to see guys with 20 inch arms hitting home runs.
...this is what it comes down to and we disagree here. I know that people still want to see that-I definitely acknowledge that, but I see a shift in public demand happening right now-and it is going away from quantity and towards quality.
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And even if all sports will be clean in a few years, what would happen to the fanbase? And what about the performance that will drop BIGTIME? Marathons above 2:15, bodybuilders that are at least 25% smaller etc. etc.
Do you really want to see this happening? It will KILL professional sports!
Time to get real and accept the truth.
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That is only a phase. Yes that will happen and maybe we'll never beat those times/records, but that isn't going to be what is most important in the future, imo, and I don't even think that is the way it will stay. Everyone will start striving for the records drug free again.
BUT, ff the fanbase dies, then it dies. i don't care if those records are ever broken again. I think there are others like me. Ultimately it's about self improvement, not beating other people.
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And even if all sports will be clean in a few years, what would happen to the fanbase? And what about the performance that will drop BIGTIME? Marathons above 2:15, bodybuilders that are at least 25% smaller etc. etc.
Do you really want to see this happening? It will KILL professional sports!
Time to get real and accept the truth.
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And even if all sports will be clean in a few years, what would happen to the fanbase? And what about the performance that will drop BIGTIME? Marathons above 2:15, bodybuilders that are at least 25% smaller etc. etc.
Do you really want to see this happening? It will KILL professional sports!
Time to get real and accept the truth.
So what, no one will care...
The people want to see others fighting for a win, if he comes in at 2:00h or 2"30H does not matter, as long as you see them fight.
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but that's what I'm saying is happening now, and those people are going to weed themselves out with that attitude. Over the years, the guys who are always giving themselves the illegal drug edge are going to become very noticable-maybe not in drug tests(right away), but definitely to the public, and they won't be appreciated. I should note, too, that there just aren't any secrets anymore. People hear things and in addition to that, the time clock on the leniency of law enforcement on steroids and physique enhancing drugs is definitely ticking! Remember, just because they are only persecuting the dealers and the smugglers now doesn't mean that the judicial system isn't going to evolve as well and start tackling even the littlest of offenders.
see this is where imagination takes place,,the little individual user was NEVER safer ,,infact now they are the safest,,why? because there are so manyaround thw rold and in particular in america (about 1-2 millions constant users with no sacripts) and are the goverment thmselves as in kids of governors in america ,,politicians on painkillers ,,bored hosue wives on clenbuterol and thyroid hormones,,sons and daugghers of dc usa politicians that are all american stars baseball and football ,,the worst problem is that the police in america are on hormones and i estimate it at over 50% le are on constant use of hormones in america,,more than anyother place in the world,,many of the dea and fda are also on hormones,,it is like trying to stop the use of tylanol,,infact the users of hormones are most likley higher in nnumber than the users of tylanol around the world,,
many countries have hormones as uncontrolled,,many countries you go to pharmacy and buy them like dognuts,,you just put 10$ and buy what you pay in usa later 200$ for,,many countries do not see hormones as anything but NATURAL HORMONES,,that is why the many bodybuilders dont even love in usa ,,
the INDIVIDUAL USER of meth and cocaine is all over usa and they are the ones who need to be thrown in prison but the goverment dont even do that because its iummposible to detect ,,,so hormone users are 100% safe,,they are every day people of goverment ,,doctors and teachers,,hel you go to highschool in america now days over 50% of couches are hormonized and living their life in gymnazium late in evening doing bodybuilding or power training on hormones,,and in the morning teach your kids gym classes or math and science,,
you cant stop something that is not a drug,,people discovered it long time ago,,they just do it descrete,,
the problem is when the narcotics and the dealers of narcotics come into the picture,,the problem is when criminals try to take advantage of this,,,the hormones by themselves ,,the human grade ones are nothing but little stamina and recovery in gym
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So what, no one will care...
The people want to see others fighting for a win, if he comes in at 2:00h or 2"30H does not matter, as long as you see them fight.
Spot on, the actual sport is what's important. How it is played and how the athletes achieve what they achieve is what's really most fun for the fans.
Think of how much more interesting bbing could be if professional bodybuilders' dvds actually showed them training hard and eating and speaking like dedicated, intelligent athletes-which is what would be forced to happen if drugs left the scene: when drugs leave the scene, only the most intelligent and most dedicated would prevail-it's natural selection. Then kids could have heroes again in this sport like the guys from the 60s and 70s were to the kids in the 80s and 90s. Instead we have dvds of bbers not training all out, speaking as un-articulately as humanly possible, and seemingly TRYING to live up the bad boy, hyper male image that the current/aging trend demands.
The funniest thing, on top of all of that, is that in their attempts to live up to that hyper male image and be that person, they have LITERALLY lost what it means to be PHYSICALLY male-a deep voice, testicles, and their own hormone production! Most even stay shaven clean througout the whole year! How much less male can they become? People have begun noticing it, and people have already stopped thinking it's cool. There's your truth, you can accept it or not.
The way bbing is right now, no one will even miss it if it goes down completely for a while. It would be worth it if it came out drug free. What's going to change is isn't more drug testing(although that might help). What's going to change it is the average person's desire to be healthy AND good looking rather than just freaky looking; in addition to their desire to look up to people who actually portray the people they are trying to portray-rather than hyper-male looking people with total loss of all male qualities.
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Spot on, the actual sport is what's important. How it is played and how the athletes achieve what they achieve is what's really most fun for the fans.
Think of how much more interesting bbing could be if professional bodybuilders' dvds actually showed them training hard and eating and speaking like dedicated, intelligent athletes-which is what would be forced to happen if drugs left the scene: when drugs leave the scene, only the most intelligent and most dedicated would prevail-it's natural selection. Then kids could have heroes again in this sport like the guys from the 60s and 70s were to the kids in the 80s and 90s. Instead we have dvds of bbers not training all out, speaking as un-articulately as humanly possible, and seemingly TRYING to live up the bad boy, hyper male image that the current/aging trend demands.
The funniest thing, on top of all of that, is that in their attempts to live up to that hyper male image and be that person, they have LITERALLY lost what it means to be PHYSICALLY male-a deep voice, testicles, and their own hormone production! Most even stay shaven clean througout the whole year! How much less male can they become? People have begun noticing it, and people have already stopped thinking it's cool. There's your truth, you can accept it or not.
The way bbing is right now, no one will even miss it if it goes down completely for a while. It would be worth it if it came out drug free. What's going to change is isn't more drug testing(although that might help). What's going to change it is the average person's desire to be healthy AND good looking rather than just freaky looking; in addition to their desire to look up to people who actually portray the people they are trying to portray-rather than hyper-male looking people with total loss of all male qualities.
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All this talk about natural has been going on for years. Blechman tried to help by making his magazine "all natual".
No one cares. Nothing is ever going to change.
If you been around this sport long enough, you'll realize that this same talk has been going around and around forever.
Nothing new here.
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That is only a phase.
yes, the next phase is genetic manipulation. won't need to take performance enhancing drugs, as your body will be reprogrammed to provide them on its own.
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Heh.
Natural pro bodybuilding? What a joke!
It's great when you have drug-free impresive physique. If I see good 180 pound physique at the beach I think it's great for this guy keeping care of himself and working out but I'm not going to bodybuilding contest to watch that physique! Sports are entertainment and why in the hell should someone stop the development? If you want to see natural bodybuilders go to some natural contest! These guys are great and I have a lot of respect for natural guys but they in my eyes aren't professional athletes - and I wouldn't pay $80 for a ticket to get see them in contest...
Agreed.
Pro=Drugs