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This story makes no sense
http://www.lancashireeveningtelegraph.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1891648.mostviewed.insulin_probe_man_suffers_brain_damage.php
Insulin probe man suffers brain damage
A MAN who is seriously ill in hospital after apparently taking a fatal batch of insulin to aid bodybuilding has suffered severe brain damage.
And his family have been told the next few days are critical as he fights for his life.
The man and a friend were both taken to Royal Blackburn Hospital after taking the drug, which is believed to have been circulating on the black market in gyms across East Lancashire.
Police are investigating the death of 44-year-old Shane Raeburn, of Barnes Street, Clayton-le-Moors, as part of the same probe into the illegal sale of insulin.
The man in hospital, who police describe as being "very seriously ill" is in his late 30s and from Clayton-le-Moors but his name has not been released by police.
The third man needed was released from hospital after receiving treatment.
The drug is used to treat diabetes but police said neither Mr Raeburn or his two friends had the condition.
Officers have arrested and released three people on bail - a 40-year-old woman and a man, 30, both from Clayton-le-Moors, and a 19-year-old man from Accrington - pending further inquiries in connection with the supply of the drug.
Police began probing the death of Mr Raeburn, who lived in Barnes Street, after a post-mortem examination proved inconclusive and his two friends were taken ill after taking the drug.
Further tests are being carried out on the Burnley FC fan in a bid to establish why he died and whther he too had taken the drug.
Det Chief Insp Paul Withers said police were due to interview associates of the three friends in a bid to find out more after the case was referred to them by Blackburn coroner Michael Singleton.
He said: "Although a post-mortem examination has taken place, the cause of death is still unascertained at this time.
"Police are also investigating the circulation of ampoules of insulin in Clayton-le-Moors.
"Three people have been arrested in connection with the circulation of the insulin and have been released on police bail pending further inquiries."
Mr Raeburn died in the early hours of November 28.
Officers said they were unsure of the origin of the ampuoles, which are used to hold liquid insulin, but that they were investigating how it had come to be on sale illegally.
Insulin is usually given to diabetics to control their blood sugar levels.
But internet sites detail how bodybuilders have started using insulin because they feel it can provide further muscle gains.
This is said to work by helping to regulate glucose levels and bring nutrients to muscles.
People with any information about the drugs are being asked to call Blackburn police on 01254 51212 or Crimestoppers, in confidence, on 0800 555 111.
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let this be a lesson to all, ask milos about slin b4 u use it and make sure to have his drinks otherwise u will fuck urself up
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How the hell did he manage that? Probably shot 50IU instead of 5 ;D
Always keep glucagon with you when using slin
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Always keep glucagon with you when using slin
Or better yet, don't use the crap.
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Or better yet, don't use the crap.
You don't have much choice when you are competing at a pro level.
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You don't have much choice when you are competing at a pro level.
Sure you do.
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Sure you do.
::)
You never did chemicals right? I can tell.
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gayer than naming your city Clayton-le-Moors.
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Not insulin....there is no need for it, I've already givin reasons why it shouldn't be used, unless someone doesn't care about the long term effects or the longevity of their health, then go for, but for vanities sake it isn't worth it, plus most competitors who don't use it look 10 X's better
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Not insulin....there is no need for it, I've already givin reasons why it shouldn't be used, unless someone doesn't care about the long term effects or the longevity of their health, then go for, but for vanities sake it isn't worth it, plus most competitors who don't use it look 10 X's better
it's harder and harder to place at state level without using it.
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it's harder and harder to place at state level without using it.
I agree......Milos and the judges fucked up the entire industry pro and amature by having people think that they can't win without it, but change will come soon.....I promise.
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no one should ever do insulin. If you need insulin to get big, you just weren't made to be big!
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no one should ever do insulin. If you need insulin to get big, you just weren't made to be big!
guess ronnie jay and all other ifbb pros where not made to be big
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guess ronnie jay and all other ifbb pros where not made to be big
Technically, no they were not, neither were you nor me, etc,etc,etc
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guess ronnie jay and all other ifbb pros where not made to be big
Time will tell if they die in a few years to organ failure than i guess not. But it is all relative the pro's today would probably all be big guys without drugs, but with the aid of the drugs their genetics are exploited into the freaks we see today.
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no one should ever do insulin. If you need insulin to get big, you just weren't made to be big!
Tell that to Jay Cutler. ;D
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I bet 90% of those screaming slin is dangerous and its not needed etc etc took a slin shot within 24 hours
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Unless they are diabetic, I'll take that bet, I know I didn't or ever have.
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insulin works..that is for sure. but over all its probably not worth it in the long run
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insulin works..that is for sure. but over all its probably not worth it in the long run
insulin is the best thing to use for putting on serious weight, but to risk developing diabetes in the not so distant future no way is it worth it no matter what the gains.
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Time will tell if they die in a few years to organ failure than i guess not.
Insulin won't kill you in the short-term (unless you fucck up dosing), but it'll take 30 years off your life. Why do you think most insulin-junkie bodybuilders in their 30's look like they are in their 50's? I doubt any of these guys live to collect Social Security.
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if the avg male life span is say 74 and most of the guys competeing are in their mid 30's and lets say the overuse of "everything" takes off 30 years then most of these guys in their prime have only a decade of life left. And who is to say what the quality of that life will be, seems sad if u ask me. Just my opinion
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if the avg male life span is say 74
I think late 70's is average lifespan from birth. If you have successfully made it out of childhood and the teenage years without dying of anything, I think you're more realistically looking at mid 80's.
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Insulin won't kill you in the short-term (unless you fucck up dosing), but it'll take 30 years off your life. Why do you think most insulin-junkie bodybuilders in their 30's look like they are in their 50's? I doubt any of these guys live to collect Social Security.
Hey, if that means more $ available for us when we get that old, I'm all for it :)
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Hey, if that means more $ available for us when we get that old, I'm all for it :)
Always thinking politically about the future, huh? :)
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if the avg male life span is say 74 and most of the guys competeing are in their mid 30's and lets say the overuse of "everything" takes off 30 years then most of these guys in their prime have only a decade of life left. And who is to say what the quality of that life will be, seems sad if u ask me. Just my opinion
Ronnie Coleman is 43, and I would say its a safe bet he starting using insulin around 97 since he took his size to a new level the year of his first O victory. Then he should be dead in 2 yrs?
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Ronnie Coleman is 43, and I would say its a safe bet he starting using insulin around 97 since he took his size to a new level the year of his first O victory. Then he should be dead in 2 yrs?
He will not live to be an old man.
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IMO insulin is not worth it. You don't want to become a diabetic. That shit is fuck up.
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IMO insulin is not worth it. You don't want to become a diabetic. That shit is fuck up.
but i bet you fuck without a condom girls that you know u shouldnt, you drink like a asshole and do drugs
just shut the fuck up
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but i bet you fuck without a condom girls that you know u shouldnt, you drink like a asshole and do drugs
just shut the fuck up
no, i always got a condom( alright i pack 2 :-[), i drink just to buzz, i never get drunk, and i am drug-free. i have control and will power. What the fuck is wrong with people now a days? No self control. :-\
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no one should ever do insulin. If you need insulin to get big, you just weren't made to be big!
I wouldn't ever recommend anyone use insulin but it's just another hormone endogenously produced in the body. It's neither good or evil intrinsically. This is not a black and white issue IMO. It depends on how it's used like with all things. Some insulin use by a bodybuilder might even be healthy in some very specific instances. Why would GH, steroid, thyroid, stimulant, etc use be acceptable but not insulin?
One thing's for certain, taking insulin is a hell of lot more "natural" than popping d-bol and shooting tren.
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Not insulin....there is no need for it, I've already givin reasons why it shouldn't be used, unless someone doesn't care about the long term effects or the longevity of their health, then go for, but for vanities sake it isn't worth it, plus most competitors who don't use it look 10 X's better
For which chemicals is there a "need for"? List the drugs you find acceptable.
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He will not live to be an old man.
who is to say he wont live to be 90. you just never know. genetics play a large role in everything
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Ronnie Coleman is 43, and I would say its a safe bet he starting using insulin around 97 since he took his size to a new level the year of his first O victory. Then he should be dead in 2 yrs?
bingo
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I wouldn't ever recommend anyone use insulin but it's just another hormone endogenously produced in the body. It's neither good or evil intrinsically. This is not a black and white issue IMO. It depends on how it's used like with all things. Some insulin use by a bodybuilder might even be healthy in some very specific instances. Why would GH, steroid, thyroid, stimulant, etc use be acceptable but not insulin?
One thing's for certain, taking insulin is a hell of lot more "natural" than popping d-bol and shooting tren.
not saying the other hormones are better or worse, just talking about insulin right now, but you make some good points
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From what I've read, insulin use will shave 20 years off your life in most cases.
Is this true or false? Perhaps it's because diabetics use it and don't live as long (although you can escape type II diabetes, but not type I).
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From what I've read, insulin use will shave 20 years off your life in most cases.
Is this true or false? Perhaps it's because diabetics use it and don't live as long (although you can escape type II diabetes, but not type I).
Where did you read that? 20 years? Diabetes and bodybuilding use of insulin are two different things.
Diabetics die due to high blood sugar wrecking havoc on all tissues, primarily, not the insulin itself. Consider this: a diabetic is replacing what can't be produced by the body. Why don't they live as long? It's not easy to keep the blood sugar in perfect range at all times. That's why strict, frequent monitoring of BG is so important to avoid the damage diabetes can cause.
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Where did you read that? 20 years? Diabetes and bodybuilding use of insulin are two different things.
Diabetics die due to high blood sugar wrecking havoc on all tissues, primarily, not the insulin itself. Consider this: a diabetic is replacing what can't be produced by the body. Why don't they live as long? It's not easy to keep the blood sugar in perfect range at all times. That's why strict, frequent monitoring of BG is so important to avoid the damage diabetes can cause.
One of the nutrition books I have in the bathroom. As soon as this chicken salad digests and I have to make a trip, I'll look for it. The quote was actually something like "Insulin users live 20 years less than average." so I don't know if it meant bodybuilders, or type I diabetics. I couldn't believe diabetics live that many less years, so I asked here to see if anyone knew actual numbers.
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One of the nutrition books I have in the bathroom. As soon as this chicken salad digests and I have to make a trip, I'll look for it. The quote was actually something like "Insulin users live 20 years less than average." so I don't know if it meant bodybuilders, or type I diabetics. I couldn't believe diabetics live that many less years, so I asked here to see if anyone knew actual numbers.
Yeah I'm sure it's Type 1 diabetics. I don't know how much shorter lifespans they have nowadays but I know they live longer and longer today and it's due to better control of blood sugar. Better insulin preparations and more blood glucose monitoring. High blood sugar kills.
How this translates into a bodybuilder who cycles insulin and never actually has high BG, well it doesn't directly. There is the theory (or fact some would say) that insulin ages cells. But even without exogenous insulin a bodybuilder will have sky high insulin from all the eating and other drugs (especially the GH).
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From what I've read, insulin use will shave 20 years off your life in most cases.
Is this true or false?
True.
While you can't put numbers to it, like "20 years" or whatever, since individual genetics vary, insulin plays a role in the aging process. Why do you think calorie restriction is the only proven way to extend lifespan? If follows that jamming the body with extra insulin would have a negative effect on lifespan and long-term health.
http://www.brown.edu/Administration/News_Bureau/2003-04/03-149.html