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Title: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Deicide on December 31, 2007, 05:36:41 AM
                                                           
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Stu on December 31, 2007, 05:38:14 AM
I would fucking hope so, most of getbig was bigger than that before they started working out!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: m8 on December 31, 2007, 05:39:12 AM
All drugs.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: SquatAss on December 31, 2007, 05:39:45 AM
No
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: musclehedz on December 31, 2007, 05:41:28 AM
No, you can tell by the shoulders. Big round shoulders = not natural.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: natural al on December 31, 2007, 05:51:12 AM
I would fucking hope so, most of getbig was bigger than that before they started working out!

really?

man, I must be waaay behind then cause that guy is in pretty good shape compared to me, his calfs are waaaay better than mine.

he looks really good there if he is natural, he seems sincire...is he natty?  I don't know, he's not huge, he's not ultra ripped.  He's big and he's in good shape.  he's not freaky.

I'm sure GH15 will say he's on everything under the sun...who knows anymore?  I'm sure we could post pics of pee wee herman and people would say he's on shit these days.

you can achieve some development if your natty, it's just harder and takes alot longer.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Deicide on December 31, 2007, 05:53:01 AM
No, you can tell by the shoulders. Big round shoulders = not natural.

How can you just make a generalisation like this; big round shoulders=automatically not natural?!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on December 31, 2007, 05:54:22 AM
 :D ...he is natural and I have a headfull of hair .
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on December 31, 2007, 05:55:38 AM
No.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Overload on December 31, 2007, 06:05:15 AM
Nope.


8)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: musclehedz on December 31, 2007, 06:06:35 AM
How can you just make a generalisation like this; big round shoulders=automatically not natural?!

Show me a lean natural with big round shoulders ;)

Exactly..
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Meso_z on December 31, 2007, 06:42:25 AM
It says "musclemania.com" so not natural. but who cares anyway.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 07:11:07 AM
are you out of your mind? why even ask this stupid question

hormonized and on many products on good doses and a heavy user for good constant 5-10years,,
cantr believ you even ask ,,takes everything under the son and then some,,horrid physiqe too
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Stu on December 31, 2007, 07:57:48 AM
really?

man, I must be waaay behind then cause that guy is in pretty good shape compared to me, his calfs are waaaay better than mine.

he looks really good there if he is natural, he seems sincire...is he natty?  I don't know, he's not huge, he's not ultra ripped.  He's big and he's in good shape.  he's not freaky.

I'm sure GH15 will say he's on everything under the sun...who knows anymore?  I'm sure we could post pics of pee wee herman and people would say he's on shit these days.

you can achieve some development if your natty, it's just harder and takes alot longer.

Pee Wee has run a few cycles in his time im sure, nothing heavy just some d-bol tabs yo
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: dr_para24 on December 31, 2007, 08:06:44 AM
as long as they do not touch roids for 9months, they are consider natural :-*
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Mars on December 31, 2007, 08:10:38 AM
as natural as dereks love for the cock.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Dragon on December 31, 2007, 09:34:44 AM
i don't know if his natural, but one thing's for sure, thats a naturaly attainable physique.
i've never seen a huge chest like that on the naturals i've seen but he's in the gym , chest is probably pumped up like hell, but chest is really really full and big for a natural, maybe genetically strong bencher?
and the 'big round shoulder=juicer' thing is the most retarded stupidest thing i've ever heard LOL
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on December 31, 2007, 09:37:27 AM
as natural as dereks love for the cock.

Isn't dereks love for the cock pretty natural?
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: musclehedz on December 31, 2007, 09:38:47 AM
i don't know if his natural, but one thing's for sure, thats a naturaly attainable physique.
i've never seen a huge chest like that on the naturals i've seen but he's in the gym , chest is probably pumped up like hell, but chest is really really full and big for a natural, maybe genetically strong bencher?
and the 'big round shoulder=juicer' thing is the most retarded stupidest thing i've ever heard LOL

Are you calling me out winstrolboy  ;D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on December 31, 2007, 09:39:22 AM
That is probably naturally attainable for someone with great genetics and an insane work ethic.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: the_doc on December 31, 2007, 09:50:01 AM
I would fucking hope so, most of getbig was bigger than that before they started working out!
I assume that was a joke. Most getbiggers(myself included) don't look like they go to a gym! :)
i agree that is a realistic physique to attain. it takes dedication and good diet unless you are very young. My physique was close to that with slightly more bodyfat at 17/18 and I ate almost anything. Nobody should touch 'roids until they are in that guys conditon or atleast would have that size when dieted down. my 2 cents.
The Doc ;)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Dragon on December 31, 2007, 09:52:18 AM
No, you can tell by the shoulders. Big round shoulders = not natural.

translation= i'm a juicer with small shitty shoulders  :D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: FrenchFrie on December 31, 2007, 10:04:08 AM
you can't fill you muscles with so much mass being natural for the love of god.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on December 31, 2007, 10:12:08 AM
you can't fill you muscles with so much mass being natural for the love of god.

Look at Layne Norton. Almost the same thing. Layne = natural.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: musclehedz on December 31, 2007, 10:12:45 AM
Look at Layne Norton. Almost the same thing. Layne = natural.

Yeah but he is small.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on December 31, 2007, 10:15:11 AM
Yeah but he is small.

Laye is around 225 now at 9,X bodyfat. Do you concider that small?
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Moen on December 31, 2007, 10:36:57 AM
This guy is (a lot) bigger than layne, dont play the numbers game again, bodyweight even when taking into consideration bf doesnt say THAT much
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: musclehedz on December 31, 2007, 10:52:34 AM
Laye is around 225 now at 9,X bodyfat. Do you concider that small?

Highly doubt that, i've seen his best competition pics. How tall is he?
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 11:12:59 AM
This guy is (a lot) bigger than layne, dont play the numbers game again, bodyweight even when taking into consideration bf doesnt say THAT much

both layne and the guy in this video are hormonized,,one is less than the other ,,one dont give shit about it and the other keep himself to strict standards inorder to look natural because his mission is to live off it like skin and jeff,,but none  of them is true natural
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: joelocal on December 31, 2007, 11:13:49 AM
...as natual as a test tube baby!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 11:15:36 AM
as long as they do not touch roids for 9months, they are consider natural :-*

well that is true,,but this guy dont go off for even 2 months aftr 6 weeks he is on the internet purchasing his next ampouls and vials and pills,,,guys at his level can go off for 4 weeks and stay ok in the head but past the 6-7 week they start having mental problem with shrinking in their head due to loss of testosterone and thats where the inernet in their place work extra hours
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on December 31, 2007, 03:46:15 PM
both layne and the guy in this video are hormonized,,one is less than the other ,,one dont give shit about it and the other keep himself to strict standards inorder to look natural because his mission is to live off it like skin and jeff,,but none  of them is true natural

you 0= full of shit.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:03:54 PM
you 0= full of shit.

the norton kid was hormonized ,,he maybe clean at times but was on pro hormone and hormones ,,not mega dose not many products,,but was on them inorder to get on stage at 190-200lb with very low bf%,,you simply wont be able to get conditioned and keep any muscle mass to talk about as in 190lb+ with out hormones and their by products/stimulants ,,,unless youre 6'5 and he id not 6'5
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: SirTraps on December 31, 2007, 04:05:07 PM
GimmickH15 STFU and go away.   ::)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on December 31, 2007, 04:05:52 PM
the norton kid was hormonized ,,he maybe clean at times but was on pro hormone and hormones ,,not mega dose not many products,,but was on them inorder to get on stage at 190-200lb with very low bf%,,you simply wont be able to get conditioned and keep any muscle mass to talk about as in 190lb+ with out hormones and their by products/stimulants ,,,unless youre 6'5 and he id not 6'5

yoU = full of shit
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:07:07 PM
tuth hurts eh? (see this time i chose to write eh insted of huh to demonstrate my american better :D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:08:41 PM
yoU = full of shit

by the way friend,,you never know whats going on in a bodybuilder bathroom or the little be behind the clothes deep in the closet,,always go by condition in relashion to size,,any 220lb at 6 feet at single digit is hormonized to some degree,,ANY ONE!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on December 31, 2007, 04:10:34 PM
by the way friend,,you never know whats going on in a bodybuilder bathroom or the little be behind the clothes deep in the closet,,always go by condition in relashion to size,,any 220lb at 6 feet at single digit is hormonized to some degree,,ANY ONE!

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Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:11:33 PM
GH1¤= (http://hjorthen.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/shit.JPG)

 :D
HAPPY NEW YEAR AMERICA!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: SteelePegasus on December 31, 2007, 04:14:31 PM
:D
HAPPY NEW YEAR AMERICA!

GH, do you like women? most european men don't
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: mwbbuilder on December 31, 2007, 04:15:24 PM
GH15 makes a living convincing all of you that everyone is on drugs.

He uses this board as a marketing flyer and all of you fools go along with it.

He sells drugs and/or sell his information and knowledge on how to use drugs. As eveident in his marketing sales tools "pm question answered"

He, himself, has NEVER done a show without drugs (by his own admission) so he has NO CLUE about what can and can't be done.

He's just another small dicked bodybuilder with a big mouth.

Why else would a "pro" bodybuilder have 2,500 post on this one message board alone. Because he wants to "educate us".


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA

You can see by his writing that gh15 is a very PRACTICAL dude.

It's all about the money!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on December 31, 2007, 04:17:34 PM
GH, do you like women? most european men don't

You're quite the turd burglar yourself, "steele" peasus.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on December 31, 2007, 04:20:57 PM
:D
HAPPY NEW YEAR AMERICA!



SECAVASTASE??? ;D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:22:31 PM
GH15 makes a living convincing all of you that everyone is on drugs.

He uses this board as a marketing flyer and all of you fools go along with it.

He sells drugs and/or sell his information and knowledge on how to use drugs. As eveident in his marketing sales tools pm question answered"

He, himself, has NEVER done a show without drugs (by his own admission) so he has NO CLUE about what can and can't be done.

He's just another small dicked bodybuilder with a big mouth.

prove gh15 sell anything,,prove ,,ask ron to go into gh15 pms since gh15 never erase them and see if gh15 ever took offer or sold anything,,no protien no gear no nothing,,gh15 is NOT A DEALER THE WAY YOU THINK DEALER IS,,gh15 has nothing to do with selling hormones,,prove otherwize and gh15 will be gone into the darkness infact gh15 will arrest him or her self if you can prove it,,

told you times and times before gh15 right now could make lots and lots of money from gh15 tshirts and had offers to do it and still decline!

gh15 come here for strictly enternteinment and truth check/reality check ,,gh15 write on the gossip board and opinion board because the entity gh15 think everyone should have the chance to decide themselves who is right and who is wrong,,

you too will see that gh15 was right in due time,,due time is diff everyone,,one person find out in a month one in a year and one in 10 years but every one get to the conclusion gh15 is god of hormones and foutain of knoeledge whrn it comesd to bodybuilding at the finaaale'
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:26:15 PM
GH, do you like women? most european men don't

me love pussy ,,let mw know if you want to see the type of women i like and i will post you short porn clips of type of women i would do,,you then will be able to see and jack off to them
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: mwbbuilder on December 31, 2007, 04:26:35 PM
prove gh15 sell anything,,prove ,,ask ron to go into gh15 pms since gh15 never erase them and see if gh15 ever took offer or sold anything,,no protien no gear no nothing,,gh15 is NOT A DEALER THE WAY YOU THINK DEALER IS,,gh15 has nothing to do with selling hormones,,prove otherwize and gh15 will be gone into the darkness infact gh15 will arrest him or her self if you can prove it,,

told you times and times before gh15 right now could make lots and lots of money from gh15 tshirts and had offers to do it and still decline!

gh15 come here for strictly enternteinment and truth check/reality check ,,gh15 write on the gossip board and opinion board because the entity gh15 think everyone should have the chance to decide themselves who is right and who is wrong,,

you too will see that gh15 was right in due time,,due time is diff everyone,,one person find out in a month one in a year and one in 10 years but every one get to the conclusion gh15 is god of hormones and foutain of knoeledge whrn it comesd to bodybuilding at the finaaale'

You are a steroid and drug consultant who generates a following and clients from this and other BB message site.

You want potential clients to believe that everyone is one drugs.

C'mon...T-shirts? You're smart enough to know there is no money in t-shirts. (aren't you?)

Stick to selling drug advice, Drug God. ;)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:30:18 PM
You are a steroid and drug consultant who generates a following and clients from this and other BB message site.

You want potential clients to believe that everyone is one drugs.

C'mon...T-shirts? You're smart enough to know there is no money in t-shirts. (aren't you?)

Stick to selling drug advice, Drug God. ;)

i never post on messege boards under gh15,,i rarly post on anyother messege board beside getbig,,i dont need messege boards,,only reason i come here is  because this is getbig.com .,,one of the biggest sites in history of the internet,,you got here people who dont even lift ,,people who come  for fitness reasons and then all the ifbb and npc is here,,,trusat me they are all here,,i come here because this is the nbc of bodybuilding,,this board is what cnn was in the 1980s for cable news
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: SirTraps on December 31, 2007, 04:34:13 PM
 ::) gh15 isnt a pro, he isnt a bodybuilder.......hes a lame fucking gimmick.

            buck-toothed little weasel is giggling his ass off as he types. Hope you have a great show tonight "gh15", with an epic audience of 15-20 listeners.  ::)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:38:34 PM
::) gh15 isnt a pro, he isnt a bodybuilder.......hes a lame fucking gimmick.

            buck-toothed little weasel is giggling his ass off as he types. Hope you have a great show tonight "gh15", with an epic audience of 15-20 listeners.  ::)

see this miguided infdividual think im special ed,,,oh well,,they have place too on getbig i guess :D
love you baby :-*

coming to thikn about it after reading part of my posts it does seem like i have split personalities :D i do sound like diff people at times,oh well maybe im bi polar too ;)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: SirTraps on December 31, 2007, 04:40:04 PM
Quote
see this miguided infdividual think im special ed,,,oh well,,they have place too on getbig i guess Cheesy
love you baby Kiss

coming to thikn about it after reading part of my posts it does seem like i have split personalities Cheesy i do sound like diff people at times,oh well maybe im bi polar too

   Meltdown.  Puppet comes out character..again


        HAHAHAHAHAHA  ;D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on December 31, 2007, 04:40:54 PM
see this miguided infdividual think im special ed,,,oh well,,they have place too on getbig i guess :D
love you baby :-*

coming to thikn about it after reading part of my posts it does seem like i have split personalities :D i do sound like diff people at times,oh well maybe im bi polar too ;)


SEEEVASPERMTASEEE  8)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:42:52 PM
   Meltdown.  Puppet comes out character..again


        HAHAHAHAHAHA  ;D

no its just like when i read myself in this last 5 posting it sounds like im complete lunatic,,its funny but hey whatever it takes getbig whatever it takes to get your brain naturalized from all the bullcrap supplement claims and liars surrounding this industry :D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: SirTraps on December 31, 2007, 04:49:35 PM
THE SHITTY GIMMICK CONTINUES TO MELT

        HAHAHAHAHA  ;D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on December 31, 2007, 04:55:40 PM
you embersseing yorulelf by thinking gh15 is fake id,,gh15 is just have too much knowledge and behind the secne info to be fake id,,you can ask ron and i allow him to tell you if gh15 is fake id
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: SirTraps on December 31, 2007, 05:02:15 PM
   Meltdown.  Puppet comes out character..again


        HAHAHAHAHAHA  ;D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on December 31, 2007, 05:05:53 PM
gh15 do you think this guy is natural?

(http://www.superstarcouples.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/july/Pete_Doherty_and_Kate_Moss.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Bobby on December 31, 2007, 05:10:14 PM
all drugs

RON!!! is gh15 legit? ;D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: TrueGrit on December 31, 2007, 09:11:21 PM
obviously not natty. you should look at the pre-steroid era bodybuilders and see what a totally drug free physique looks like. he  also sounds like a gay dude trying to stop his voice from sounding too faggy - a lot of bodybuilders are like that.

and i wish people would stop holding up Lame Norton as the pinnacle of natural bodybuilding..the guy has a horrible body with no finesse or symmetry.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: aussiepro on December 31, 2007, 10:44:53 PM
it could go either way, i would assume his natural, because he has pretty poor lats, (im not saying that everyone with poor lats is natural) but his chest is good and just doesn't add up with his back, but he could be using...
one things for sure it is deffinatly attainable without drugs
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on January 01, 2008, 02:28:00 AM
See this is gh15's problem. He believes everyone is on hormones because everyone he hangs around or comes up to ask him questions, all they ask about is hormones. He has no idea what can be accomplished naturally, and since he himself didn't or hasn't seen someone he knows for sure is natural at 225 or whatever, then it hasn't happened.

gh15 you are better off saying you haven't met anyone that has got to that level naturally. I believe Layne is natural...i mean he seems extremely dedicated he is and have you seen him? If he was on gear he would be much bigger, what he has accomplished is definately possible naturally, he doesn't really carry serious size to the point most wouldn't pick him as a bodybuilder.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: m8 on January 01, 2008, 02:33:58 AM
gh15 do you think this guy is natural?

(http://www.superstarcouples.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/july/Pete_Doherty_and_Kate_Moss.jpg)

No.
Typical GH head.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: FrenchFrie on January 01, 2008, 02:47:08 AM
Look at Layne Norton. Almost the same thing. Layne = natural.
layne norton is lightyears away from looking like the guy in the video who got first posted....

he s nowhere near the thickness and fullness of the guy pictured in the video...
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Deicide on January 01, 2008, 02:50:08 AM
layne norton is lightyears away from looking like the guy in the video who got first posted....

he s nowhere near the thickness and fullness of the guy pictured in the video...

Tu vas bien, toi?
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: FrenchFrie on January 01, 2008, 02:59:03 AM
ca va, en attente du visa...on a fait la visite medicale, pas de problemes...plus que quelques mois :)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Deicide on January 01, 2008, 03:09:26 AM
ca va, en attente du visa...on a fait la visite medicale, pas de problemes...plus que quelques mois :)

Le visa pour le Canada? Mais tu as bien envie de quitter la France, n'est pas!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Dr.Del on January 01, 2008, 06:40:43 AM
putain de merde
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Deicide on January 01, 2008, 06:48:20 AM
putain de merde

Exactement!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: gh15 on January 01, 2008, 07:01:11 AM
See this is gh15's problem. He believes everyone is on hormones because everyone he hangs around or comes up to ask him questions, all they ask about is hormones. He has no idea what can be accomplished naturally, and since he himself didn't or hasn't seen someone he knows for sure is natural at 225 or whatever, then it hasn't happened.

gh15 you are better off saying you haven't met anyone that has got to that level naturally. I believe Layne is natural...i mean he seems extremely dedicated he is and have you seen him? If he was on gear he would be much bigger, what he has accomplished is definately possible naturally, he doesn't really carry serious size to the point most wouldn't pick him as a bodybuilder.

any lifter that go competetive ,,and today even none competetive,,that dedicate time to the gym and to growth and is past 24-25 years old,,will find that hormnes is a must inorder to stay in this sport called bodybuilding,,

NO HORMONES = NO MOTIVATION
NO HORMONES = NOTHING TO EXPECT FROM TRAINING
NO HORMONES = NO WHERE IN THE ZONE OF 200LB SINGLE DIGITS
NO HORMONES = CANT PUT ENOUGH CALORIES IN BODY TO MAKE ANY CHANGES IN TRUE SIZE WITH OUT GETTING FATZO
NO HORMONES = NO JACKED LOOK AND NO JACKED LOOK = NO GIRLS CARING OR LOOKING AT YOU
NO HORMONES = NO FUN FROM BODYBUILDING AND NO ATTENTION

BODYBUILDERS LIKE ATTENTION THEY DO IT FOR ATTENTION THEY LIFT BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO LIFT BUT THEY MAINTAIN GOING TO THE GYM YEARS IN YEARS OUT FOR ATTENTION AND COMPETETIVENESS WHICH IS PART OF ATTENTION,,YOU DONT HAVE NATURALS NATURALS CANT ACHIEVE ANYTHING WHEN THE FISH ALL AROUND THEM ARE HORMONIZED

look into the 50s to find SOME naturals,,from 1960 i havent met or seen even one single true natural,,may have been and im sure there were but they were no where at the top or meian level,,they were rock buttom and did nothing in the sport or industry,,not even local show win!
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Dragon on January 01, 2008, 09:47:51 AM
any lifter that go competetive ,,and today even none competetive,,that dedicate time to the gym and to growth and is past 24-25 years old,,will find that hormnes is a must inorder to stay in this sport called bodybuilding,,

NO HORMONES = NO MOTIVATION
NO HORMONES = NOTHING TO EXPECT FROM TRAINING
NO HORMONES = NO WHERE IN THE ZONE OF 200LB SINGLE DIGITS
NO HORMONES = CANT PUT ENOUGH CALORIES IN BODY TO MAKE ANY CHANGES IN TRUE SIZE WITH OUT GETTING FATZO
NO HORMONES = NO JACKED LOOK AND NO JACKED LOOK = NO GIRLS CARING OR LOOKING AT YOU
NO HORMONES = NO FUN FROM BODYBUILDING AND NO ATTENTION

BODYBUILDERS LIKE ATTENTION THEY DO IT FOR ATTENTION THEY LIFT BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO LIFT BUT THEY MAINTAIN GOING TO THE GYM YEARS IN YEARS OUT FOR ATTENTION AND COMPETETIVENESS WHICH IS PART OF ATTENTION,,YOU DONT HAVE NATURALS NATURALS CANT ACHIEVE ANYTHING WHEN THE FISH ALL AROUND THEM ARE HORMONIZED

look into the 50s to find SOME naturals,,from 1960 i havent met or seen even one single true natural,,may have been and im sure there were but they were no where at the top or meian level,,they were rock buttom and did nothing in the sport or industry,,not even local show win!

when off teh cycle, you look like shit,  not to mention looking like shit permenantly after serious long term juicing :D  but hey , some people want there fast 5~10years of glory, some people want there 30years of 'lesser' glory  (lesser as in no plastic trophy) :D
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: G.R.H. on January 01, 2008, 10:41:49 AM
he doesn't look it to me! if he is...DAMN! HE'S GOT SOME AEWSOME GENETICS!!!  :o
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: musclehedz on January 01, 2008, 11:48:12 AM
when off teh cycle, you look like shit,  not to mention looking like shit permenantly after serious long term juicing :D  but hey , some people want there fast 5~10years of glory, some people want there 30years of 'lesser' glory  (lesser as in no plastic trophy) :D


Ok then why do you take them?
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on January 01, 2008, 04:17:28 PM
Well i disagree with gh15 to a degree. There are probably arn't many that do it but if you were dedicated naturally for many years you will build decent size and etch the quality and maturity in over the years which will make you look bigger.

I'm not speaking from experience, i did gain muscle natty then juiced for years, then went clean, which obviously means i'm holding more muscle than i would have built natty only, but i have seen guys who do have good genetics and stay clean and do look very good. Maybe not the size of a serious BBer who juices but they arn't bloated either and they are bigger and much better than the pretenders who juice.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: WiseGuy on January 01, 2008, 06:39:41 PM
 ::)  cmon... this guy is on something

get a fucking clue


 >:(
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: njflex on January 02, 2008, 06:38:25 AM
Well i disagree with gh15 to a degree. There are probably arn't many that do it but if you were dedicated naturally for many years you will build decent size and etch the quality and maturity in over the years which will make you look bigger.

I'm not speaking from experience, i did gain muscle natty then juiced for years, then went clean, which obviously means i'm holding more muscle than i would have built natty only, but i have seen guys who do have good genetics and stay clean and do look very good. Maybe not the size of a serious BBer who juices but they arn't bloated either and they are bigger and much better than the pretenders who juice.
good post and true..
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: c-sharp minor on January 02, 2008, 07:58:13 AM
I have a similar upper body and I'm lifetime natty. He does have better calves than I do though.

I have no problem with him claiming natty status as I believe his physique is attainable without gear.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on January 02, 2008, 07:59:33 AM
I have a similar upper body and I'm lifetime natty. He does have better calves than I do though.

I have no problem with him claiming natty status as I believe his physique is attainable without gear.

You posted pics a long time ago, at 180 pounds or something? If that = correct: You looked real impressive for a natty.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on January 02, 2008, 08:02:40 AM
You posted pics a long time ago, at 180 pounds or something? If that = correct: You looked real impressive for a natty.

These = the pics:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/csharpminor/150640897_330.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/csharpminor/150643969_330.jpg)

Very impressive.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: c-sharp minor on January 02, 2008, 08:06:17 AM
You posted pics a long time ago, at 180 pounds or something? If that = correct: You looked real impressive for a natty.

Yeah. I'm hitting the big 4-0 next month and am aiming to be in the best shape of my life.

Surprised you remembered my pics. Tnx for the compliment man.

Those pics are about 3 years old now.....short hair and a goatee.....geez.   
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 02, 2008, 08:06:38 AM
These = the pics:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/csharpminor/150640897_330.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/csharpminor/150643969_330.jpg)

Very impressive.
This is not natty..hopes this helps...
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on January 02, 2008, 08:09:25 AM
This is not natty..hopes this helps...

He's like 180 pounds at 7 - 10% bodyfat there. Of course he can be natty, and Debussey believes him.

That's a lean bodyweight of perhaps 165 pounds, which is naturally attainable. He looks real impressive.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 02, 2008, 08:09:52 AM
He's like 180 pounds at 7 - 10% bodyfat there. Of course he can be natty, and Debussey believes him.
like you are a benchmark for anything  ::)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: c-sharp minor on January 02, 2008, 08:11:09 AM
23 years of working out there sevastase. I put on a whopping 30 lbs of muscle in that time. I think it should be believable.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on January 02, 2008, 08:11:24 AM
like you are a benchmark for anything  ::)

A better benchmark than your pathetic Romanian ass.

 :)
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: musclehedz on January 02, 2008, 08:34:24 AM
23 years of working out there sevastase. I put on a whopping 30 lbs of muscle in that time. I think it should be believable.

The mass is believable, but you are pretty dry there. What is your definition of "natural" ?  :P
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: The Master on January 02, 2008, 08:36:30 AM
The mass is believable, but you are pretty dry there. What is your definition of "natural" ?  :P

The "dryness" = just low bodyfat.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 02, 2008, 08:39:48 AM
The mass is believable, but you are pretty dry there. What is your definition of "natural" ?  :P
exactly
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: c-sharp minor on January 02, 2008, 09:31:55 AM
The mass is believable, but you are pretty dry there. What is your definition of "natural" ?  :P

No gear ever. Multivitamin and the odd scoop of protein powder for flavor.
 
Eating a healthy diet as opposed to a bodybuilding diet. Lots of fresh fruit and vegetables(always raw) as well as moderate lean proteins with moderate complex carbs.
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: Knives on January 02, 2008, 03:08:48 PM
looking great c-sharp.  probably as good as a natural can get
Title: Re: Is this guy natural?
Post by: musclehedz on January 02, 2008, 03:23:04 PM
Well you must have insane amounts of natural test. in your body in order to keep that mass when cutting down. But i also recon you don't really bulk up very heavy.

If you would start up a few cycles you could easily end up with the top npc competitors.