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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: boonstack on January 09, 2008, 10:49:29 AM
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it seems like the scariest shit anyone can put in their body--- its used in chemical factories and wood preservatives? mmmhmm sounds good ::)
but losing lbs of fat a day seems worth it
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only lazy people will use that shit. too many dangers.
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I wouldn't use it but it's not any more dangerous than that usnic acid shit Palumbo sells. It's about dosage.
Disgusted said on the radio that he hasn't heard of any pro using it, so at least in that sample of pros he knows I believe him.
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Ephedrine is extremely effective. Although natural bodybuilders can never get as big as juiced bodybuilders, they can get as shredded. No need for the abuse or even the use of very toxic chemicals to do so. Hard dieting and cardio and you can get as shredded as pretty well any bodybuilder using drugs for the same purposes.
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I heard it can give you cataracts,
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Gh15 eats that shit for breakfast, lunch and dinner!!!!
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I heard it can give you cataracts,
Yes, that's the main concern from what I've read. I think it was more prevalent in females. The incidence was like 1 out of 1000 subjects.
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Yes, that's the main concern from what I've read. I think it was more prevalent in females. The incidence was like 1 out of 1000 subjects.
I would say that death, uncontrollable high fever and hypothermia would be the main concerns of DNP. People who know how to use this stuff properly sometimes still die from it. Its an uncoupler, used to make commercial dies and dynamite. Stay away very far away. It is not necessary what so ever.
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I would say that death, uncontrollable high fever and hypothermia would be the main concerns of DNP. People who know how to use this stuff properly sometimes still die from it. Its an uncoupler, used to make commercial dies and dynamite. Stay away very far away. It is not necessary what so ever.
You don't need to get close to lethal dose for it to work. If I were to take it my main concern would be trusting that the UG caps were accurately dosed.
If anyone here is considering using it read the posts by 'conciliator' on bb.com and other forums.
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/Conciliator/
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What's DNP?
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What's DNP?
The substance; 2, 4-Dinitrophenol has many other brand names such as, 1 Hydroxy-2,4-dinitrophenol, Solfo Black, Nitrophen, Aldifen, and Chemox are just a few and is among many things, a metabolic stimulant. That is it's popularity here in our world, it burns fat like no other. Let me just tell you of it's other uses before I continue. First, it is a toxic dye, chemically related to Trinitrophenol (Picric Acid), second, it is found in insecticides, wood preservatives, herbicides, explosives, and is also a hazardous material. Third, it is used in science to couple or attach to DNA molecules. All of this should tell you that it is not a run-of-the-mill metabolic stimulant, like Clenbuterol or Triacana or Ephedrine or any other for that matter. Here is DNP's tox faq's from the international chemical safety cards to you give an idea of what it is considered to be; Combustible. Gives off irritating or toxic fumes (or gases) in a fire. Risk of fire and explosion. DO NOT expose to friction or shock. MAY BE ABSORBED! Redness. Roughness. Yellow staining on the skin. PHYSICAL STATE; APPEARANCE: YELLOW CRYSTALS ROUTES OF EXPOSURE: The substance can be absorbed into the body by inhalation, through the skin and by ingestion. PHYSICAL DANGERS: Dust explosion possible if in powder or granular form, mixed with air. INHALATION RISK: Evaporation at 20?C is negligible; a harmful concentration of airborne particles can, however, be reached quickly. CHEMICAL DANGERS: May explosively decompose on shock, friction, or concussion. May explode on heating. Shock-sensitive compounds are formed with alkalis, ammonia and most metals. The substance decomposes on heating producing toxic gases including nitrogen oxides. EFFECT OF SHORT-TERM EXPOSURE: The substance may cause effects on metabolism, resulting in very high body temperature. Exposure may result in death. EFFECTS OF LONG TERM OR REPEATED EXPOSURE: Repeated or prolonged contact with skin may cause dermatitis. The substance may have effects on the peripheral nervous system. The substance may have effects on the eyes, resulting in cataracts. Boiling point: sublimes ?C, Melting point: 112?C, Relative density (water = 1): 1.68. Solubility in water, g/100 ml at 54.5?C: 0.14. Relative vapor density (air = 1): 6.36. This product is handled and shipped in a 15% solution of water, making it a paste, so that it will not explode due to shock or friction.
DNP is an uncoupling agent that inhibits the flow of electrons and the pumping of H+ ions for ATP synthesis. Fifty years ago it was used for weight loss, however, in 1938 the FDA removed it from the counter, as it caused cataracts and even sometimes death. If electron transport does not produce ATP, then much more sugar must be metabolized for energy needs. Very low production of ATP would be lethal. In oxidative phosphorylation, the flow of electrons from NADH (the reduced form of NAD+, oxidized from NAD. This enzyme is important in accepting electrons in the course of metabolic reactions. When NAD+ gives up it's electron, it is converted to it's reduced form NADH) and FADH2 (the reduced form of FAD) to oxygen results in the pumping of H+ from the matrix to the inner membrane space of the mitochondria. This gradient of H+ can produce ATP by flowing through ATP synthetase in the mitochondrial inner membrane. Dinitrophenol disrupts the H+ gradient reducing ATP synthesis. Under these conditions, much of the food that we eat could not be used for ATP synthesis and we lose weight. However, too much inhibitor and we could make too little ATP for life. The difference between weight loss and death is only a small concentration change in dinitrophenol, making the drug dangerous. Simply put, this means that while eating your normal diet, you will have somewhere between 20% and 40% reduction of calories.
You may now be wondering just what kind of dose would be effective, but not harmful. A dose of 2mg/kg/day (or two mgs per kg of body weight per day) would be an effective dose, causing the loss of about 5 to 10 pounds in a 10 to 14 day period, maybe less. So, a person weighing 200 lbs would weigh about 91 kgs, so 2mgs per kg of body weight would be the equivalent of 182 mgs of DNP per day, but since it typically comes in 200 mg capsules, you would take one cap per day. Since DNP has this inhibiting effect, glycolosis is inhibited as well, causing a diabetic effect due to the conversion of glucose without insulin, so you may have heard that people take insulin with DNP. This will counter act the symptoms of lethargy and lack of energy due to DNP's use.
Finding DNP, this may be a little difficult as there are only two manufacturers of it. Sigma and Springfield scientific, though they do not generally sell to the public, it is still available. If you cannot find someone with capsules, you may try to get some bulk (somewhere around $20.00 - $30.00 per lb I think), but since this is considered a hazardous material, it cannot be conveniently or inconspicuously shipped (which for consumption is a felony), however, it is possible. However, to get use of the bulk/raw form, you will need to make your own capsules, which is a meticulous process.
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Where do you guys get yours?
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it seems like the scariest shit anyone can put in their body--- its used in chemical factories and wood preservatives? mmmhmm sounds good ::)
but losing lbs of fat a day seems worth it
you don't lose pounds of fat a day.
everyone who is chiming in on this thread don't have a clue as to what they are talking about as they like to regurgitate information and attempt to look intelligent, rather than offer up any real world experience or advise.
the main drawback to the compound is the lethargy you experience and profuse, uncomfortable sweating that goes hand in hand with its use. at moderate doses it will not kill you, unlike the dummy above (4thAD) who says that even people who have used it effectively still die from it (this is for you: shut up stupid).
all it does is increases the bodies ability to burn off unwanted fat stores by raising its own metabolic rate. and since it has no feed back mechanism that allows for shut-down in the case of overdose, the very real problem of dying from hyperthermia does exist- (not hypothermia, again- shut up stupid).
in my opinion, using it does allow you to burn fat at a more rapid rate, however combined with the cravings you have when using it and the sides that are so discomforting, it is a much better option to preprare better in your prep than use this as a shortcut.
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a buddy of mine usd it for a show about 6 years ago. ive never seen anyone sweat that much in my life. he said it worked but it made him feel like shit everyday
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I heard it causes the sweat to be of yellow color - or even all bodily fluids -> talk about a rusty looking load ;D
Does one stink more using it?
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I saw this guy who was doing the Nationals, sweated like crazy! Must have been on it.
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Ephedrine is extremely effective. Although natural bodybuilders can never get as big as juiced bodybuilders, they can get as shredded. No need for the abuse or even the use of very toxic chemicals to do so. Hard dieting and cardio and you can get as shredded as pretty well any bodybuilder using drugs for the same purposes.
This might be the biggest bullshit remark I have ever read on this site.
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pther prodicts used a lot more than dnp ,,some use it but its minority,,,look at the palm of you hand,,ecery day every coiuple hours,,we take the tablets needed fill our palm and swollow it with whatever we need ,,,dnp is not one of the substances if youre truly bodybuilder,,but then again many are not now days so they use it,,,
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This might be the biggest bullshit remark I have ever read on this site.
How so?
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Ephedrine is extremely effective. Although natural bodybuilders can never get as big as juiced bodybuilders, they can get as shredded. No need for the abuse or even the use of very toxic chemicals to do so. Hard dieting and cardio and you can get as shredded as pretty well any bodybuilder using drugs for the same purposes.
Yea your proof of this fact yourself arent you MattC???
The fact of the matter is that natties can in no way get as shredded as aas users because, natural athletes lose muscle as they diet, where the aas allows users to keep their hard earned muscle 16 weeks into their diet.
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Yea your proof of this fact yourself arent you MattC???
The fact of the matter is that natties can in no way get as shredded as aas users because, natural athletes lose muscle as they diet, where the aas allows users to keep their hard earned muscle 16 weeks into their diet.
Quoted for truth
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Yea your proof of this fact yourself arent you MattC???
The fact of the matter is that natties can in no way get as shredded as aas users because, natural athletes lose muscle as they diet, where the aas allows users to keep their hard earned muscle 16 weeks into their diet.
I never said natural bodybuilders looked as good as juiced bodybuilders or were as big as them. I made it clear they can't sustain their size. I said that when we are talking sheerly about conditioning, it is possible to get just as shredded naturally as it is with the aid of drugs. There are plenty of very, very shredded naturals out there. Top natural bodybuilders are routinely more hard and dry than Jay Cutler. Sure, they are smaller, but I never said they had as much size, I merely asserted that they can be just as shredded. Discuss.
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I never said natural bodybuilders looked as good as juiced bodybuilders or were as big as them. I made it clear they can't sustain their size. I said that when we are talking sheerly about conditioning, it is possible to get just as shredded naturally as it is with the aid of drugs. There are plenty of very, very shredded naturals out there. Top natural bodybuilders are routinely more hard and dry than Jay Cutler. Sure, they are smaller, but I never said they had as much size, I merely asserted that they can be just as shredded. Discuss.
You're wrong bro, natties cant maintain muscle during contest prep, that is why there is NO WAY that they can be as hard as juice pro's.
Not only do the not have the size, but they also lack the conditioning and the hardness of a steroid user.
That is usually how u can tell the difference between natural and non natural athletes, the conditoning, size, and hardness.
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You're wrong bro, natties cant maintain muscle during contest prep, that is why there is NO WAY that they can be as hard as juice pro's.
Not only do the not have the size, but they also lack the conditioning and the hardness of a steroid user.
That is usually how u can tell the difference between natural and non natural athletes, the conditoning, size, and hardness.
Generally speaking this is true, but look at plenty of top naturals and you will see their conditioning is pro caliber. For example, if I were to cut naturally or cut using drugs, the difference would not be as dramatic as if I were to bulk both naturally or using drugs. Top natural pros achieve around the same conditioning as juiced pros, just nowhere near the size.
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Generally speaking this is true, but look at plenty of top naturals and you will see their conditioning is pro caliber. For example, if I were to cut naturally or cut using drugs, the difference would not be as dramatic as if I were to bulk both naturally or using drugs. Top natural pros achieve around the same conditioning as juiced pros, just nowhere near the size.
I still disagree with you.
And most "natural" athletes, who are highly conditioned. ARENT NATURAL!
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I still disagree with you.
And most "natural" athletes, who are highly conditioned. ARENT NATURAL!
That's possible. I guess it depends whether or not you believe their claims. If some of the "naturals" are indeed natural, they have achieved conditioning as good as pretty well anyone.
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You don't need to get close to lethal dose for it to work. If I were to take it my main concern would be trusting that the UG caps were accurately dosed.
If anyone here is considering using it read the posts by 'conciliator' on bb.com and other forums.
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/Conciliator/
Well that is obviously the idea, but the problem with dnp is its accumulative affect. Alot of people schooled in DNP use who have run it many times end up having problems with it. The shit is plain and simply dangerous. Risky to the point where I will never ever take it. GH15 is absolutely correct on this one.
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the problem with dnp is its accumulative affect.
If you don't know it has a long half-life you almost deserve what you get.
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If you don't know it has a long half-life you almost deserve what you get.
Are you a competitive bodybuilder?