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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Alex23 on January 09, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
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Since when's Killing terrorist is a crime damnit!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
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STF your country is doing Genocide over there in Iraq
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My country is allowing you to keep your little lifestyle with your boyfriend.
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stf yankee go cry about your so called marine hero staff suck sgt frank G
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stf yankee go cry about your so called marine hero staff suck sgt frank G
Euro trashes are up.
who's 'stf'?
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STF your country is doing Genocide over there in Iraq
you werent crying when we came and saved your ass from being enslaved by the Germans you little bitch
and unfortunatly we aren't commiting genocide over there---because if we were the whole world would be better place and the war wouldnt be a hopeless quagmire.
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where are those weapons of mass destruction? did they find any ? LoL..
o no they found allot of oil ;D
also at W2 you Yankees came to Europe not to aid the poor people but for the German Technology thats the freaking truth
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My country is allowing you to keep your little lifestyle with your boyfriend.
I would rather sleep on the curb than have a high quality of life paid for by the blood of innocent people!
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I would rather sleep on the curb than have a high quality of life paid for by the blood of innocent people!
you are such an idealist pussy-----------thats really easy to say as you sit in your nice heated house on your comfortable chair, typing away on your computer
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I would rather sleep on the curb than have a high quality of life paid for by the blood of innocent people!
Go for it, that's what's nice about. Because of guys like these you have the choice to do so.
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where are those weapons of mass destruction? did they find any ? LoL..
o no they found allot of oil ;D
also at W2 you Yankees came to Europe not to aid the poor people but for the German Technology thats the freaking truth
Yes, nevermind the fact that most of Germany's top scientists came to America or England on their own before that. ::)
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Yes, nevermind the fact that most of Germany's top scientists came to America or England on their own before that. ::)
by "top scientists", do you mean guys like this "Einstein" guy actually immigrated to the US?
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Yes, nevermind the fact that most of Germany's top scientists came to America or England on their own before that. ::)
haha owned
THis little tit doesnt understand there are certain people you just dont address on these boards. THese little bottom boys need to know there place around here
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I would rather sleep on the curb than have a high quality of life paid for by the blood of innocent people!
I highly doubt that. Your supplement income is coming off the backs of Chinese children who load the wagon with glutamine, creatine, and l-tyrosine and then break their innocent backs with bleeding palms so you can spend your days on Getbig.
(http://missionxp.webblogg.se/images/china_child_labour_1183795271.jpg)
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by "top scientists", do you mean guys like this "Einstein" guy actually immigrated to the US?
Yes, that Einstein character. I heard he's kind of a big deal around these parts.
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I highly doubt that. Your supplement income is coming off the backs of Chinese children who load the wagon with glutamine, creatine, and l-tyrosine and then break their innocent backs with bleeding palms so you can spend your days on Getbig.
(http://missionxp.webblogg.se/images/china_child_labour_1183795271.jpg)
Slave labour is a bilaterally voluntary exchange. Most sweatshops are far superior to domestic employers and people in poor countries are often thanking the high heavens when sweatshops come to their countries. You have to look it the situation from the point of view of the people actually working there. The presumptuous, morally righteous western lefties would do well to ASK the poor before deciding that this or that job "isn't nice enough" for the poor to do.
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Slave labour is a bilaterally voluntary exchange. Most sweatshops are far superior to domestic employers and people in poor countries are often thanking the high heavens when sweatshops come to their countries. You have to look it the situation from the point of view of the people actually working there. The presumptuous, morally righteous western lefties would do well to ASK the poor before deciding that this or that job "isn't nice enough" for the poor to do.
For a guy who hasn't done an ounce of manual labor in his 26 years, you really aren't in a position to advocate heavy lifting for 8 year olds.
This poor kid lifts more weight in telephone cables than you do in all your gay videos combined and he's got bigger arms.
(http://chinadigitaltimes.net/a-chinese-child-sits-amongst-a.jpg)
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For a guy who hasn't done an ounce of manual labor in his 26 years, you really aren't in a position to advocate heavy lifting for 8 year olds.
This poor kid lifts more weight in telephone cables than you do in all your gay videos combined and he's got bigger arms.
Hahaha Ed are you saying that "guys" like Matt C have an opinion about almost everything even though they...
Never Listened to BIG NATION but yet "it sucks"..
amongst many ::)
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Hahaha Ed are you saying that "guys" like Matt C have an opinion about almost everything even though they...
Never Listened to BIG NATION but yet "it sucks"..
amongst many ::)
I'm just saying that Matt is the kind of guy who complains about the weather but doesn't do anything about it.
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For a guy who hasn't done an ounce of manual labor in his 26 years, you really aren't in a position to advocate heavy lifting for 8 year olds.
This poor kid lifts more weight in telephone cables than you do in all your gay videos combined and he's got bigger arms.
(http://chinadigitaltimes.net/a-chinese-child-sits-amongst-a.jpg)
My time in the military was pretty labour intensive actually. Not to mention that in a week in the field you would be lucky to get a total of 20 hours sleep.
As I said, slave labour is bilaterally voluntary. That means that, believe it or not, those working in sweatshops prefer it over the alternatives available.
You can conjure up images of sweatshops all they want, but the fact remains that foreign employers are in general model employers, providing far better working conditions than domestic employers. Besides, who is anyone to decide whether a poor person in China will benefit from a job, except that person from China?
Do you propose making sweatshops illegal? Speak on this.
PS - I will never, ever, EVER work another job in my life. I DO NOT take orders, I DO NOT call you "SIR" if I don't choose to do it, and I DO NOT make somebody else rich. I haven't worked since my release from the military and I will never do so again. This is because I do indeed hate manual labour, almost as much as I hate working for somebody else. I do what I want, when I want.
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Slave labour is a bilaterally voluntary exchange. Most sweatshops are far superior to domestic employers and people in poor countries are often thanking the high heavens when sweatshops come to their countries. You have to look it the situation from the point of view of the people actually working there. The presumptuous, morally righteous western lefties would do well to ASK the poor before deciding that this or that job "isn't nice enough" for the poor to do.
I guess we can afford to be assholes
here is a little treat for tonight.... http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_african_scandal.php
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My time in the military was pretty labour intensive actually. Not to mention that in a week in the field you would be lucky to get a total of 20 hours sleep.
As I said, slave labour is bilaterally voluntary. That means that, believe it or not, those working in sweatshops prefer it over the alternative.
You can conjure up images of sweatshops all they want, but the fact remains that foreign employers are in general model employers, providing far better working conditions than domestic employers. Besides, who is anyone to decide whether a poor person in China will benefit from a job, except that person from China?
Do you propose making sweatshops illegal? Speak on this.
PS - I will never, ever, EVER work another job in my life. I DO NOT take orders, I DO NOT call you "SIR" if I don't choose to do it, and I DO NOT make somebody else rich. I haven't worked since my release from the military and I will never do so again. This is because I do indeed hate manual labour, almost as much as I hate working for somebody else. I do what I want, when I want.
stfu Matt... face the real world "bro"..
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stfu Matt... face the real world "bro"..
Please - give me something to debate here.
It is amazing that for somebody so passionate about his beliefs, you can't even explain why you feel the way you do. Surely if you are so confident that your point of view is the correct one, you can throw me some facts and data?
PS - Ed's show is awesome.
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My time in the military was pretty labour intensive actually. Not to mention that in a week in the field you would be lucky to get a total of 20 hours sleep.
As I said, slave labour is bilaterally voluntary. That means that, believe it or not, those working in sweatshops prefer it over the alternative.
You can conjure up images of sweatshops all they want, but the fact remains that foreign employers are in general model employers, providing far better working conditions than domestic employers. Besides, who is anyone to decide whether a poor person in China will benefit from a job, except that person from China?
Do you propose making sweatshops illegal? Speak on this.
PS - I will never, ever, EVER work another job in my life. I DO NOT take orders, I DO NOT call you "SIR" if I don't choose to do it, and I DO NOT make somebody else rich. I haven't worked since my release from the military and I will never do so again. This is because I do indeed hate manual labour, almost as much as I hate working for somebody else. I do what I want, when I want.
Last I checked, most 8-year olds prefer playing with Spongebob and Hot Wheels cars as opposed to making them in a 120 degree factory.
But then, I'm sure when you were a child labor slave growing up on the oppressive streets of Manitoba, CA, you knew it would only make you a better soldier once you "enlisted".
By the way, what exactly does a Canadian in the "military" actually do considering that Canadians don't believe in guns, war, self-defense or autonomy?
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Please - give me something to debate here.
It is amazing that for somebody so passionate about his beliefs, you can't even explain why you feel the way you do. Surely if you are so confident that your point of view is the correct one, you can throw me some facts and data?
PS - Ed's show is awesome.
Nobody's here to debate Matt. Wuterich is a hero, plain an simple.
Why are you so angry?
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Last I checked, most 8-year olds prefer playing with Spongebob and Hot Wheels cars as opposed to making them in a 120 degree factory.
But then, I'm sure when you were a child labor slave growing up on the oppressive streets of Manitoba, CA, you knew it would only make you a better soldier once you "enlisted".
By the way, what exactly does a Canadian in the "military" actually do considering that Canadians don't believe in guns, war, self-defense or autonomy?
Yeah, those views are pretty ridiculous. We need to keep guns locked up in a separate case in a separate part of the house than the bullets and if we have our firearms license, the state has the right to enter our house at any time! How ridiculous is that? ??? I personally believe in war depending on the circumstances. I am pretty well perfectly classified as a libertarian.
Ed, two questions: could the eight year olds choose not to work if they wished? That is, is it the sweatshops which insists they work? Also, do you propose making sweatshops illegal? Discuss.
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Exactly why we shouldn't be over there trying to give them the gift of occupation democracy.
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Exactly why we shouldn't be over there trying to give them the gift of occupation democracy.
Hahaha, you still believe in that?
btw, all these "pics" were taken in London. Welcome them and they'll shit on your porch.
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Hahaha, you still believe in that?
btw, all these "pics" were taken in London. Welcome them and they'll shit on your porch.
Not even worth pointing out that those pics are from London to Figgs. He'll blame our Govt. while simultaneously blowing Ron Paul and praising terrorism. ::)
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Not even worth pointing out that those pics are from London to Figgs. He'll blame our Govt. while simultaneously blowing Ron Paul and praising terrorism. ::)
Ron Paul is a strict constitutionalist. Isn't the constitution the bedrock of freedom, justice, and conservative values? Ron Paul is like a founding father in modern day politics. Speaking strictly by definition, is he not the closest to a true conservative we have running for president in the republican party?
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haha Thanks Matt. That's making sense!
Option 1: Blow up the terrorists to shit for 9/11
Option 2: Learn what motivates terrorists and then listen to their message... GTFO
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stf yankee go cry about your so called marine hero staff suck sgt frank G
You are the GetBig #2 douche bag, right underneath Matt C's nut sack. Hope your proud!
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You are the GetBig #2 douche bag, right underneath Matt C's nut sack. Hope your proud!
You're. ;)
Check this out - the last 20 seconds. Canada = owned. ROFL! ;D
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My time in the military was pretty labour intensive actually. Not to mention that in a week in the field you would be lucky to get a total of 20 hours sleep.
As I said, slave labour is bilaterally voluntary. That means that, believe it or not, those working in sweatshops prefer it over the alternatives available.
You can conjure up images of sweatshops all they want, but the fact remains that foreign employers are in general model employers, providing far better working conditions than domestic employers. Besides, who is anyone to decide whether a poor person in China will benefit from a job, except that person from China?
Do you propose making sweatshops illegal? Speak on this.
PS - I will never, ever, EVER work another job in my life. I DO NOT take orders, I DO NOT call you "SIR" if I don't choose to do it, and I DO NOT make somebody else rich. I haven't worked since my release from the military and I will never do so again. This is because I do indeed hate manual labour, almost as much as I hate working for somebody else. I do what I want, when I want.
Matt ,most foriegn employers in China aren't much different to major Chinese employers. Live it don't read progandaritic bullshit.
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(http://chinadigitaltimes.net/a-chinese-child-sits-amongst-a.jpg)
Look at this picture again. Look at it. Do you understand what this particular child is doing in this picture?
China Still World's eWaste Dump
Source: Associated Press – Discarded electronic have to go somewhere, and usually somewhere means China. For years environmentalists have decried China’s officially illegal but unofficially flourishing e-waste trade, but thousands of Chinese peasants are still melting wires and motherboards for metal, making scant spending money from greedy entrepreneurs. The results are undrinkable groundwater, lead-filled rivers and rampant air pollution, the AP found. • For Western companies, shipping waste to China is up to 10 times cheaper than disposing of it under Western safety and environmental standards. Importing the waste is banned, but a mere $100 bribe gets a crateful past customs. China’s own industrial boom is adding another million tons of e-waste per year. Legal disposals have cropped up, but struggle to compete with cheaper polluters.
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Sorry to help derail the topic. Staff Sergeant Wuterich was just a kid in a bad spot. Very few here have never been in a heavy combat detail, so it is difficult to judge. Hope he can put this behind him(never will, though).
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I've read this whole threadand still don't know who Marine Staff Sgt Wuterich is... :-\
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Slave labour is a bilaterally voluntary exchange. Most sweatshops are far superior to domestic employers and people in poor countries are often thanking the high heavens when sweatshops come to their countries. You have to look it the situation from the point of view of the people actually working there. The presumptuous, morally righteous western lefties would do well to ASK the poor before deciding that this or that job "isn't nice enough" for the poor to do.
dont be offended by this question but are you retarded? seriousley. you dont support the war, as if anyone cares any way, but you have nothing against kids being sold as slaves to make your clothes, toys and basically anything else that is imported from third world countries.
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My time in the military was pretty labour intensive actually. Not to mention that in a week in the field you would be lucky to get a total of 20 hours sleep.
As I said, slave labour is bilaterally voluntary. That means that, believe it or not, those working in sweatshops prefer it over the alternatives available.
You can conjure up images of sweatshops all they want, but the fact remains that foreign employers are in general model employers, providing far better working conditions than domestic employers. Besides, who is anyone to decide whether a poor person in China will benefit from a job, except that person from China?
dude your the biggest hypocrite here if you believe that...you rag on others for their beliefs in the war and then say someone shouldnt speak on a subject b/c they arent that person or been in that situation, then stfu about iraq you arent a person from iraq so stfu...also your "bilateral voluntary" retard comment shows how retarded you are these people may want the sweatshops but thats b/c of a lack of options thats like saying the civilians in iraq are at fault for all the collateral damage b/c they dont leave their homes and go live in tents in the desert, do you agree with this?
and didnt you serve in the Canadian military?
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canadian military what a joke. there is only one requirement to join, you have to have a psych evaluation and be deemed at least mildly retarded. second off as of sometime in 2007 the "canadian armed forces" actually removed the fitness test from their entry requirements couse too many people were applying and not passing them.
the funniest part is this: "Slave labour is a bilaterally voluntary exchange" the word slave implies that they do not have a say in anything so how can it be voluntary. proves my first point about the canadian military. its super cold up here in canada and im guessing Matt C doesnt wear a hat. ;)
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its super cold up here in canada and im guessing Matt C doesnt wear a hat. ;)
hahahaha.
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What choice would you guys prefer:
1. Live in horrible conditions and possibly starve and die.
2. Live in horrible conditions and possibly starve and die but have the choice to work in a factory in horrible conditions, but at least make something.
You guys fail to realize that people who work in sweatshops are not being forced to work there by cattle prod - they have the choice to not work or work, and they choose work. Don't you have any respect for their right to make that decision.
So you guys advocate removing sweatshops, and stripping poor people of their choice have some employment over no employment?
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What choice would you guys prefer:
1. Live in horrible conditions and possibly starve and die.
2. Live in horrible conditions and possibly starve and die but have the choice to work in a factory in horrible conditions, but at least make something.
You guys fail to realize that people who work in sweatshops are not being forced to work there by cattle prod - they have the choice to not work or work, and they choose work. Don't you have any respect for their right to make that decision.
So you guys advocate removing sweatshops, and stripping poor people of their choice have some employment over no employment?
Are you fucking retarded? They have no choice. It's either work there for no pay and outrageous hours, or starve to death and die. There aren't many people in this world who would resign themselves to die instead of working. It's human nature to want to keep on going and survive, like it is with most animals. You're acting like they have a choice in the matter.
Are you implying that if you lived over there in the same situation that you would rather take death? What a crock of shit.
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Are you implying that if you lived over there in the same situation that you would rather take death? What a crock of shit.
So you admit they prefer sweatshop jobs over death?
Would you take away sweatshops if you had the power to?
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So you admit they prefer sweatshop jobs over death?
Would you take away sweatshops if you had the power to?
"Prefer" is a terrible choice of words and is just you trying to spin your theory. I would say it's more like they have no choice and have to settle for whatever they can get, thus they end up working in a sweatshop.
Whether or not I would take them away if I had the power doesn't change the fact that it's basically slave labor. With China and it being already over-populated, there are always going to be people working in situations like that. Doesn't make it right, nor does it mean they "prefer" it. Equating death to a sweatshop job is a terrible argument.
Are you saying that you would take death over a sweatshop job?
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I can't believe I even read through this thread... MattC is delusional.
He doesn't seem to see the world for what it is... I don't think anyone hates me for my "freedom", but I damn sure won't let someone shit on a guy doing his job.
Let me make sure I understand your points ok Matt?
War in Iraq = Bad.
Ok, I'll buy that... it is, but it's not the soldiers faults for it being bad.
Slave Labor = Good.
How the fuck is being forced to work for peanuts good? How is it any different than serfdom in the Aristocratic Russian Empire (Pre-Bolshevik Revolution for those who don't know)?
I can't believe MattC is even serious... There's no way he believes any of this crap he's spewing.
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It's just MattC trying to make himself sound smart and educated. The only problem is that he looks stupider with every post. Shame, really. Must've been raised on paint thinner instead of baby formula.
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It's just MattC trying to make himself sound smart and educated. The only problem is that he looks stupider with every post. Shame, really. Must've been raised on paint thinner instead of baby formula.
Perhaps his parents let him play with mercury as a wee pup.
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Perhaps his parents let him play with mercury as a wee pup.
hahaha, look at it come back together again! Tastes great to boot!!!!
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What choice would you guys prefer:
1. Live in horrible conditions and possibly starve and die.
2. Live in horrible conditions and possibly starve and die but have the choice to work in a factory in horrible conditions, but at least make something.
You guys fail to realize that people who work in sweatshops are not being forced to work there by cattle prod - they have the choice to not work or work, and they choose work. Don't you have any respect for their right to make that decision.
So you guys advocate removing sweatshops, and stripping poor people of their choice have some employment over no employment?
lol bro i dont ever want to hear your bleeding heart bullshit ever again about the civilian causalties in iraq...they have the choice to live there or move so STFU you jackass, do us all a favor and off yourself
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Matt C you are truly out of touch with what goes on in the real world. When it comes to China I'm speaking from experience you have no idea what your talking about. I live this everyday day here.
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"Prefer" is a terrible choice of words and is just you trying to spin your theory. I would say it's more like they have no choice and have to settle for whatever they can get, thus they end up working in a sweatshop.
Whether or not I would take them away if I had the power doesn't change the fact that it's basically slave labor. With China and it being already over-populated, there are always going to be people working in situations like that. Doesn't make it right, nor does it mean they "prefer" it. Equating death to a sweatshop job is a terrible argument.
Are you saying that you would take death over a sweatshop job?
No, I would work in a sweatshop rather than die. I would appreciate if you just answer my questions before going on a moral tirade about how wrong my posts are. My point of asking you these concise questions is to show you the flaws in your reasoning. Simply answer the question: If you had the choice to either die or work in a sweatshop, which would you choose?
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Im guessing you never heard of India. Couse down there kids are kidnapped or sold by the parents to these sweat shops. It works the same as the child sex slaves in china.
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Again...
Simply answer the question: If you had the choice to either die or work in a sweatshop, which would you choose?
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No, I would work in a sweatshop rather than die. I would appreciate if you just answer my questions before going on a moral tirade about how wrong my posts are. My point of asking you these concise questions is to show you the flaws in your reasoning. Simply answer the question: If you had the choice to either die or work in a sweatshop, which would you choose?
How about I ask you a question... would you rather bomb another country, or be bombed?
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How about I ask you a question... would you rather bomb another country, or be bombed?
Obviously what benefits me is bombing another country...but that doesn't make the action morally right. It would serve my self interests but that isn't enough to make it a moral action.
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If that country killed ur citizens or harbored those who did..or had a great potential in the future?...Morals don't ever enter into foreign policy..political and financial gain....stategic best interests only.
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Obviously what benefits me is bombing another country...but that doesn't make the action morally right. It would serve my self interests but that isn't enough to make it a moral action.
Sure it does...
There are lots of definition of "Moral". Personally, I believe that saving the lives of my family is much more moral than allowing an outside entity to harm them... Even if it means I have to bomb the shit of them.
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Sure it does...
There are lots of definition of "Moral". Personally, I believe that saving the lives of my family is much more moral than allowing an outside entity to harm them... Even if it means I have to bomb the shit of them.
No one here needs to ask me about what my moral framework is. It is a consistent framework and is all covered here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
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Frank sucks cocks.
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No one here needs to ask me about what my moral framework is. It is a consistent framework and is all covered here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Your morals are defined by a political organization?
That sounds quite sad.
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No one here needs to ask me about what my moral framework is. It is a consistent framework and is all covered here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Political philosophy is not moral actions, simply rhetoric.
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No, I would work in a sweatshop rather than die. I would appreciate if you just answer my questions before going on a moral tirade about how wrong my posts are. My point of asking you these concise questions is to show you the flaws in your reasoning. Simply answer the question: If you had the choice to either die or work in a sweatshop, which would you choose?
why should he answer yours you never answered mine
"some of these people may want the sweatshops but thats b/c of a lack of options thats like saying the civilians in iraq are at fault for all the collateral damage b/c they dont leave their homes and go live in tents in the desert, do you agree with this?"
HYPOCRITE
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By the way, what exactly does a Canadian in the "military" actually do considering that Canadians don't believe in guns, war, self-defense or autonomy?
{blink} {blink} Do you mean apart from saving the lives of American soldiers? ???
Lying low beside the rifle, his stomach touching the ground, Cpl. Rob Furlong concentrated hard on his breathing. In, out. In, out. In, out. Deep, but not too deep. Slow, but not too slow. The tiniest twitch -- a heavy exhale, perhaps, or a breath held one second too long -- could jerk his weapon ever so slightly, turning a sure hit into a narrow miss. In the sniping world, where one shot should always equal one kill, steady breathing is just as crucial as steady aim.
On that March afternoon in 2002, Cpl. Furlong squinted through the scope of his McMillan Tac-50, a sleek bolt-action rifle almost as long as he is. In his crosshairs were three men, each lugging weapons toward an al-Qaeda mortar nest high in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan. Master Cpl. Tim McMeekin, hunkered behind his fellow sniper, saw the same trio through the lens of his Vector, a binocular-like device that uses a laser to pinpoint targets thousands of metres away. Speaking quietly, both soldiers agreed on the obvious: take out the biggest threat first, in this case the man in the middle carrying the RPK machine gun. According to the Vector, he was exactly 2,430 m away -- nearly 2 1/2 kilometres.
A Newfoundland boy with pale blue eyes and a chiselled frame, Furlong adjusted the elevation knob on his scope, the barrel of his gun pointing higher and higher with each turn. He knew the routine, had practised it a thousand times back at the base in Edmonton. The farther away the target, the higher the rifle should point. Wind blowing to the left? Aim slightly right. Most snipers will tell you it's not much different than a golfer and his caddie lining up a long putt. Calculation. Instinct. And a little bit of luck. "You can teach a certain amount of it," Furlong says. "But there is a large percentage that you must have naturally. A good shooter is born. You can't teach someone to be a good shot if they don't naturally have it."
The 26-year-old stared through the scope, his left finger tickling the trigger. In, out. In, out. Behind him, McMeekin gazed through his Vector, reconfirming the precise distance one last time. "Stand by," Furlong said.
The first shot missed. A second round missed too, but not by much. It pierced the man's backpack. "They had no fear," Furlong recalls of his target. "They didn't run. I guess they've just been engaged so many times." He immediately reloaded the chamber and lined up his rifle for a third try, checking to make sure his grip was flawless. Furlong knew exactly why that second shot missed; instead of following a perfectly straight line, he had squeezed the trigger a tiny smidgen to one side. Even a fraction of a millimetre can make a huge difference on the other end -- in this case, the difference between a man's knapsack and his heart.
"Stand by," Furlong said again. Another loud pop echoed through the valley, sending a .50-calibre shell -- rocket-shaped, almost as long as a beer bottle -- slicing through the Afghan sky. Four seconds later, it tore into the man's torso, ripping apart his insides.
By that point, Rob Furlong, Tim McMeekin and three other Canadian sharpshooters -- Graham Ragsdale, Arron Perry and Dennis Eason -- had spent nearly a week in the rugged terrain of Afghanistan's Shahikot Valley, reaching out and touching the enemy from distances even they had never trained for. But that shot was something special. Rob Furlong had just killed another human being from 2,430 m, the rough equivalent of standing at Toronto's CN Tower and hitting a target near Bloor Street. It was -- and still is -- the longest-ever recorded kill by a sniper in combat, surpassing the mark of 2,250 m set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock during the Vietnam War.
It should have been a moment of pride for the Canadian army. Five of its most talented snipers -- men trained to kill without remorse, then turn around and kill again -- did exactly that. They destroyed al-Qaeda firing positions, saved American lives and tallied a body count unmatched by any Canadian soldier of their generation. U.S. commanders who served alongside the snipers nominated all five for the coveted Bronze Star medal.
"Thank God the Canadians were there," is how one American soldier put it.
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What choice would you guys prefer:
1. Live in horrible conditions and possibly starve and die.
2. Live in horrible conditions and possibly starve and die but have the choice to work in a factory in horrible conditions, but at least make something.
You guys fail to realize that people who work in sweatshops are not being forced to work there by cattle prod - they have the choice to not work or work, and they choose work. Don't you have any respect for their right to make that decision.
So you guys advocate removing sweatshops, and stripping poor people of their choice have some employment over no employment?
Matt, I think I understand where you're coming from on this. Sometimes people are required to choose choices they shouldn't have to, but in lieu of choosing that choice, ...what is the alternative? It can sometimes make the undesireable choice appear very desireable.
One thing I'd like to point out though, ...in some areas, cattle prods are indeed used to force workers to work.
In some parts (including territories of "the so-called" free world) slave labour is indeed used to manufacture goods, with the complicity of government authorities who turn a blind eye. Foreign workers unable to get employment at home, are often recruited with lies, and promises of lucrative salaries, only to have their passports taken away from them upon arrival, and them being forced to work til they drop. :'(
I've heard about some men who were supposed to be going to one country, ...ending up as involuntary workers in Iraq as part of the "reconstruction effort"
ps: This doesn't only occur in 3rd world countries.
Neither Canada nor the USA are immune to this plague.
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Matt, I think I understand where you're coming from on this. Sometimes people are required to choose choices they shouldn't have to, but in lieu of choosing that choice, ...what is the alternative? It can sometimes make the undesireable choice appear very desireable.
One thing I'd like to point out though, ...in some areas, cattle prods are indeed used to force workers to work.
In some parts (including territories of "the so-called" free world) slave labour is indeed used to manufacture goods, with the complicity of government authorities who turn a blind eye. Foreign workers unable to get employment at home, are often recruited with lies, and promises of lucrative salaries, only to have their passports taken away from them upon arrival, and them being forced to work til they drop. :'(
I've heard about some men who were supposed to be going to one country, ...ending up as involuntary workers in Iraq as part of the "reconstruction effort"
ps: This doesn't only occur in 3rd world countries.
Neither Canada nor the USA are immune to this plague.
jag i respect your patriotism and coming to the defense of a fellow countryman, but be careful you dont want to get lumped into the same retarded/hypocrite category as matt here
p.s. being shanghaied to work in a sweatshop would royally suck
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"It should have been a moment of pride for the Canadian army. Five of its most talented snipers -- men trained to kill without remorse, then turn around and kill again -- did exactly that. They destroyed al-Qaeda firing positions, saved American lives and tallied a body count unmatched by any Canadian soldier of their generation. U.S. commanders who served alongside the snipers nominated all five for the coveted Bronze Star medal."
sorry jag i just had to laugh at the "tallied a body count unmatched by any canadian soldier of their generation" that alone says alot for the canadian military
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jag i respect your patriotism and coming to the defense of a fellow countryman, but be careful you dont want to get lumped into the same retarded/hypocrite category as matt here
p.s. being shanghaied to work in a sweatshop would royally suck
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Patriotism? Uh no. Patriotism has nothing to do with my understanding of his position.
If it did, ...it certainly wouldn't be worthy of respect. I mean, ...how assinine is that?
Defending someone just because they're from the same country as you? ???
I wasn't defending the man, ...simply stating that I understood where he was coming from
If I disagree with anything someone says, ...it doesn't matter what country they're from.
I don't have a problem expressing it, ...just as I don't mind admitting to agreeing with someone whom I frequently disagree with. The "circle the wagons and blindly follow the deaf, dumb, and blind over a cliff simply because we're from the same country" is not a disease we Canadians tend to have as a whole. No "you're either with us or against us" BS up here. ;)
I understand what he's stating, even if others here weren't understanding it.
The conditions we speak about are deplorable, however, the problem with tinkering with something, or imposing your value systems or protocols on other nations is usually unsuccessful in the long run. Blowback is a bitch! And I've seen the damage that can occur when such impositions are made, even with the best of intents. Western do-gooders put a stop to child labour, ...what then? Are you going to build a school for these children to go to, ...or are you going to leave them bored, destitute, and their families with the loss of an income source. Whether we like it or not, ...whether we want it or not, ...our lives are intertwined with theirs, and if western do gooders want to do good, ...then, while they're dismantling the sweatshops, and child labour markets, ...they ought to provide a solution, or foster an environment from which a solution can emerge. That's why we see situations in "civilized" parts of the world wherein leaders will not even discuss the hard truths, will attempt to keep them from the people or turn a blind eye to it altogetherhard facts. Because they know that in a democracy, when you give the people bad news, they will also want you to give them the solution as well.
ps: How can you have any kind of a civil or productive discussion with people making open honest statements, when you start threatening them before they even speak their mind? As for the retarded/hypocrite label, who gives a poop ::) ...I've been called worse than that on these very boards. Cowering to criticism has never been my forte, I see no reason to attempt to make it so now.
pps: That said, ...who is Marine Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich?
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Im sorry jag i must have misinterpreted your post about the canadian military saving american lives as defending your country and fellow canadian. I can certainly see the trouble in seeing eye to eye with the difference in viewpoints between us as I believe in defending my fellow countryman not necissarily on this board but in a more specific sense of life and liberty (this is not a shot at you just my observation) but to each is own
since matt c. wont answer my question and you somewhat see his point maybe you will, if not no big deal.
Since he believes that its their choice to work in the sweatshops as opposed to death, can you not say that its the civilians fault in iraq for all the civilian causalties for choosing to stay in the a war torn city and perhaps die and not move to the desert or perhaps another part of the country
I understand that its tough and they have little money that aside if they truly wanted to they could move.
I dont want to argue with you so plz not hostility, I would like to have a open conversation without aggression
goin to a steak house ill respond later tonight ;D
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"It should have been a moment of pride for the Canadian army. Five of its most talented snipers -- men trained to kill without remorse, then turn around and kill again -- did exactly that. They destroyed al-Qaeda firing positions, saved American lives and tallied a body count unmatched by any Canadian soldier of their generation. U.S. commanders who served alongside the snipers nominated all five for the coveted Bronze Star medal."
sorry jag i just had to laugh at the "tallied a body count unmatched by any canadian soldier of their generation" that alone says alot for the canadian military
Yes indeed it does. It says our military isn't running around the world invading other countries, starting wars, manipulating wars, bombing countries into oblivion, and basically sport-killing men, women, and children as entertainment, target practice, or a means to blow off steam. And that unlike the military of some other nations who for the moment shall remain unnamed, Canada's military finds herself mostly in a peace-keeping capacity. Peace-keepers don't usually tally up body counts, ...that's not what peace-keepers do, ...although you wouldn't know it by watching what some nations have the audacity to try to pass off as "peace-keeping" Even sadder is that many of their citizens believe such attrocities are necessary components of "peace-keeping". Some of these war mongerers have done such a disservice to the brave & selfless members of their own militaries, it makes me wonder who they really believe the enemy to be. I mean, when the war-mongerers take someone who vowed to give their very life if necessary in order to defend their country, ...and instead put them in a position that does nothing but harm to their country, ...you really have to wonder who these war mongerers consider their enemy. :'( They've strayed so far off their course, and done so so gradually, they didn't even realize they were no longer on the path. Hopefully, enough of them will figure it out and get back there. 8)
I cut the story short in order to answer Special Ed's question, but does go on. The thrust of the story was not necessarily about how fabulous these guys were in that they saved American lives. There was quite a bit of controversy surrounding these men. The hoopla that might have taken place in other countries, or under other circumstances did not take place. Word of their accomplishment was barely breathed. We don't glorify killing up here. We know that in times of war, some killing needs to be done, but it's not something you glorify. In addition, one of those individuals was investigated for alledgedly taking a souvenir from one of his kills. It was alledged that a finger from one of the AlQ kills was sliced off, and taken as a souvenir.
War is not healthy for humans on any side. It's dangerous to both bodies AND minds. Some countries would trumpet such an incident, and laugh & cheer at such a unique souvenir, ...but we don't glorify what war does to destroy humanity. Whether it be the humanity of the innocent men women and children who end up in the line of fire, or the military personnel doing the firing.
I suppose it's appropriate for this thread, as I'm assuming Wuterich is a man accused of wrong doing during the course of his job? Yes, No,... that is what this thread is supposed to be about isn't it? Or was the thread title just a rouse to qualify for inclusion on the political board, with the real subject being MattC's possible childhood diet or winter apparel?
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Yes indeed it does. It says our military isn't running around the world invading other countries, starting wars, manipulating wars, bombing countries into oblivion, and basically sport-killing men, women, and children as entertainment, target practice, or a means to blow off steam. And that unlike the military of some other nations who for the moment shall remain unnamed, Canada's military finds herself mostly in a peace-keeping capacity. Peace-keepers don't usually tally up body counts, ...that's not what peace-keepers do, ...although you wouldn't know it by watching what some nations have the audacity to try to pass off as "peace-keeping" Even sadder is that many of their citizens believe such attrocities are necessary components of "peace-keeping". Some of these war mongerers have done such a disservice to the brave & selfless members of their own militaries, it makes me wonder who they really believe the enemy to be. I mean, when the war-mongerers take someone who vowed to give their very life if necessary in order to defend their country, ...and instead put them in a position that does nothing but harm to their country, ...you really have to wonder who these war mongerers consider their enemy. :'( They've strayed so far off their course, and done so so gradually, they didn't even realize they were no longer on the path. Hopefully, enough of them will figure it out and get back there. 8)
I cut the story short in order to answer Special Ed's question, but does go on. The thrust of the story was not necessarily about how fabulous these guys were in that they saved American lives. There was quite a bit of controversy surrounding these men. The hoopla that might have taken place in other countries, or under other circumstances did not take place. Word of their accomplishment was barely breathed. We don't glorify killing up here. We know that in times of war, some killing needs to be done, but it's not something you glorify. In addition, one of those individuals was investigated for alledgedly taking a souvenir from one of his kills. It was alledged that a finger from one of the AlQ kills was sliced off, and taken as a souvenir.
War is not healthy for humans on any side. It's dangerous to both bodies AND minds. Some countries would trumpet such an incident, and laugh & cheer at such a unique souvenir, ...but we don't glorify what war does to destroy humanity. Whether it be the humanity of the innocent men women and children who end up in the line of fire, or the military personnel doing the firing.
I suppose it's appropriate for this thread, as I'm assuming Wuterich is a man accused of wrong doing during the course of his job? Yes, No,... that is what this thread is supposed to be about isn't it? Or was the thread title just a rouse to qualify for inclusion on the political board, with the real subject being MattC's possible childhood diet or winter apparel?
Someone tell Ron to add a sleeping emoticon :P
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Im sorry jag i must have misinterpreted your post about the canadian military saving american lives as defending your country and fellow canadian.
Oh that post, ...I thought you were refering to the one you quoted.
I can certainly see the trouble in seeing eye to eye with the difference in viewpoints between us as I believe in defending my fellow countryman not necissarily on this board but in a more specific sense of life and liberty (this is not a shot at you just my observation) but to each is own
I haven't even stated my viewpoint on this, ...only what I understand Matt's to be.
Are you psychic or something? :P
since matt c. wont answer my question and you somewhat see his point maybe you will, if not no big deal.
Since he believes that its their choice to work in the sweatshops as opposed to death, can you not say that its the civilians fault in iraq for all the civilian causalties for choosing to stay in the a war torn city and perhaps die and not move to the desert or perhaps another part of the country
I understand that its tough and they have little money that aside if they truly wanted to they could move.
I dont want to argue with you so plz not hostility, I would like to have a open conversation without aggression
I can't speak for Matt. I can only state what I believe his position to be. If I'm incorrect in my understanding of Matt's position or opinion, he's free to correct me, ...or not. As for the civilians in Iraq, I hardly consider myself qualified to tell you what Matt is thinking or feeling about that, ...because he hasn't expressed that (to my knowledge) If he's made it clear in other posts, I missed it. Apples & Oranges, and someone's position in one matter isn't necessarily indicative of or reflective of their position in another matter, ...unless, of course you view the crushing economic situations in these other countries that practice child labour conditions to be the end result of the c/overt hostile aggression against other nations we're seeing far too much of, or a "non conventional" war?
goin to a steak house ill respond later tonight ;D
:o A steakhouse? :-X Do you know how much methane (climate change gas) cows produce? :o
Oh my, it's really your lucky day then :P I know how much you detest that "retarded/hypocrite" label, (otherwise you wouldn't have considered it to be a possible deterrent to me). It wasn't too long ago that we had no way of mitigating the damage we did to the environment, or doing our part to slow down climate change, and methane surrrrrrre captures a lot of heat.
Thank Goodness we're now empowered to truly be responsible stewards of the earth by reducing pollution and other climate warming gasses, protecting the environment, and saving money all at the same time. Feel free to click the link to my website for clarification. This way, no one will be able to call you a retarded/hypocrite for eating steak. You should soon be able to say, "I'm doing my part!". You will be able to say that won't you? ??? :D
ps: not feeling hostile, just bratty & mischevous. ;)
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Someone tell Ron to add a sleeping emoticon :P
{lol} brat!
Just type in your Zzzzzzzzz's if your ADHD will allow you to focus long enough to find the right keys, otherwise Ron might need to add one.
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Sport killing men women and children...I don't think i ever saw that on our side, unless ur talking about the terrorist shitbags. Please don't comment on what the US military does..u have no clue. I never worried about the "war-mongers" back home. Our job is to kill people and break shit. We are an extention of American foreign policy. We do our jobs and Canada has gone right along with us in Afghanistan. U guys didn't glorify what those Heroes did because ur a nation of liberal sheep with ur collective heads in the sand. Those guys should be celebrated..given parades, made heroes. Who cares if he took a finger. Typical bullshit..train a guy to smoke another human being from over 500 meters and then whine and cow to the politically correct elements in ur own government by launching an "investigation". U idiots should be ashmed of urselves.
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Yes indeed it does. It says our military isn't running around the world invading other countries, starting wars, manipulating wars, bombing countries into oblivion, and basically sport-killing men, women, and children as entertainment, target practice, or a means to blow off steam. And that unlike the military of some other nations who for the moment shall remain unnamed, Canada's military finds herself mostly in a peace-keeping capacity. Peace-keepers don't usually tally up body counts, ...that's not what peace-keepers do, ...although you wouldn't know it by watching what some nations have the audacity to try to pass off as "peace-keeping" Even sadder is that many of their citizens believe such attrocities are necessary components of "peace-keeping". Some of these war mongerers have done such a disservice to the brave & selfless members of their own militaries, it makes me wonder who they really believe the enemy to be. I mean, when the war-mongerers take someone who vowed to give their very life if necessary in order to defend their country, ...and instead put them in a position that does nothing but harm to their country, ...you really have to wonder who these war mongerers consider their enemy. :'( They've strayed so far off their course, and done so so gradually, they didn't even realize they were no longer on the path. Hopefully, enough of them will figure it out and get back there. 8)
I cut the story short in order to answer Special Ed's question, but does go on. The thrust of the story was not necessarily about how fabulous these guys were in that they saved American lives. There was quite a bit of controversy surrounding these men. The hoopla that might have taken place in other countries, or under other circumstances did not take place. Word of their accomplishment was barely breathed. We don't glorify killing up here. We know that in times of war, some killing needs to be done, but it's not something you glorify. In addition, one of those individuals was investigated for alledgedly taking a souvenir from one of his kills. It was alledged that a finger from one of the AlQ kills was sliced off, and taken as a souvenir.
War is not healthy for humans on any side. It's dangerous to both bodies AND minds. Some countries would trumpet such an incident, and laugh & cheer at such a unique souvenir, ...but we don't glorify what war does to destroy humanity. Whether it be the humanity of the innocent men women and children who end up in the line of fire, or the military personnel doing the firing.
I suppose it's appropriate for this thread, as I'm assuming Wuterich is a man accused of wrong doing during the course of his job? Yes, No,... that is what this thread is supposed to be about isn't it? Or was the thread title just a rouse to qualify for inclusion on the political board, with the real subject being MattC's possible childhood diet or winter apparel?
Matt C. dug his own hole and from what i can see a pretty deep one at that
with this post you also must include your canadian military as well as they are a part of this war as well.
as said earlier I would like to have a CIVIL conversation with you
So please without sarcasm or taking passive aggressive shots at the U.S. plz respond
I understand where your coming from and respect your views, but do you respect others views?
"peace keeping" like many other terms can be subjective to you it may mean peace keeping in the middle east which obviosly isnt going well, to many americans though it means peace keeping for the american public which it has accomplished.
I agree the soldiers that fight for OUR countries are brave and incredible people regardless of any political spin that is thrust upon them, but there is one thing you should take into account and that is that each and every individual knew what might be asked of them when they signed on the dotted line and recieved their paychecks and the vast majority are more than willing to do so, the U.S. and most other countries have not forced any soldier to fight in this war, they agreed to when they signed up for service
that being said i would rather see everyone of our opposition killed than even have one U.S. soldier hurt in this war.
you have to understand my perspective and that is that the U.S. soldiers all over the world are my brothers and sisters, not in the biological sense but in the sense of community and as a whole. this illustrates why many americans dont care about trigger fingers of terrorist and the sad but unavoidable civilian causalties that occur as a result of this war
can you see where I am coming from?
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Sport killing men women and children...I don't think i ever saw that on our side, unless ur talking about the terrorist shitbags. Please don't comment on what the US military does..u have no clue. I never worried about the "war-mongers" back home. Our job is to kill people and break shit. We are an extention of American foreign policy.
Yet you wonder why most of the world hates you?
We do our jobs and Canada has gone right along with us in Afghanistan. U guys didn't glorify what those Heroes did because ur a nation of liberal sheep with ur collective heads in the sand. Those guys should be celebrated..given parades, made heroes. Who cares if he took a finger. Typical bullshit..train a guy to smoke another human being from over 500 meters and then whine and cow to the politically correct elements in ur own government by launching an "investigation". U idiots should be ashmed of urselves.
I guess our military commanders felt slicing up cadavers was not part of their job descriptions.
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Matt C. dug his own hole and from what i can see a pretty deep one at that
with this post you also must include your canadian military as well as they are a part of this war as well.
as said earlier I would like to have a CIVIL conversation with you
So please without sarcasm or taking passive aggressive shots at the U.S. plz respond
I understand where your coming from and respect your views, but do you respect others views?
"peace keeping" like many other terms can be subjective to you it may mean peace keeping in the middle east which obviosly isnt going well, to many americans though it means peace keeping for the american public which it has accomplished.
I agree the soldiers that fight for OUR countries are brave and incredible people regardless of any political spin that is thrust upon them, but there is one thing you should take into account and that is that each and every individual knew what might be asked of them when they signed on the dotted line and recieved their paychecks and the vast majority are more than willing to do so, the U.S. and most other countries have not forced any soldier to fight in this war, they agreed to when they signed up for service
that being said i would rather see everyone of our opposition killed than even have one U.S. soldier hurt in this war.
you have to understand my perspective and that is that the U.S. soldiers all over the world are my brothers and sisters, not in the biological sense but in the sense of community and as a whole. this illustrates why many americans dont care about trigger fingers of terrorist and the sad but unavoidable civilian causalties that occur as a result of this war
can you see where I am coming from?
Tony, I can completely see where you are coming from.
I don't however believe that MattC dug a hole for himself at all. By the way, don't be so touchy.
What you refer to as passive aggressive shots at the US reflect hypersensitivity on your part.
That could have applied to many countries.
btw - Is anyone going to tell me about Wuterich and why he is imprisoned?
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Tony, I can completely see where you are coming from.
I don't however believe that MattC dug a hole for himself at all. By the way, don't be so touchy.
What you refer to as passive aggressive shots at the US reflect hypersensitivity on your part.
That could have applied to many countries.
btw - Is anyone going to tell me about Wuterich and why he is imprisoned?
lol i agree that your comments could reflect many countries but from the context of the posts on this thread and subject of the thread itself it would reason that they were directed toward the U.S. and be honest in your intentions, where they not?
My problem with matt c is that he is very vocal about standing up for the civilian causalties of the iraq war and bashing the U.S. but says that sweatshops are ok b/c they are voluntary and the workers choose to work there, but so do the civilians that are killed in the war they choose to live in a city that is at war.
If it were me and my city was at war if I wasnt involved Id be pretty far away from the fighting. So according to his logic he shouldnt blame the U.S. for civilian causalties as they voluntarily stay in harms way.
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If it were me and my city was at war if I wasnt involved Id be pretty far away from the fighting. So according to his logic he shouldnt blame the U.S. for civilian causalties as they voluntarily stay in harms way.
Spoken like a person that has never had a really hard day in their lives. If it's your city getting bombed, then you ARE INVOLVED weather you like it or not. You haven't got a clue what it's like to have everything you have ever owned, everything you you ever knew, everything you loved and cared for taken away from you. Now your gonna talk out your ass and say, "If another country invaded my country I would just leave. " Damn, you are talking out your ass.
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Spoken like a person that has never had a really hard day in their lives. If it's your city getting bombed, then you ARE INVOLVED weather you like it or not. You haven't got a clue what it's like to have everything you have ever owned, everything you you ever knew, everything you loved and cared for taken away from you. Now your gonna talk out your ass and say, "If another country invaded my country I would just leave. " Damn, you are talking out your ass.
lol bro you know nothing about me so i would say its you whos talking out of your ass, and all those things are possesions which can be replaced, your life cannot be. If we did get invaded I wouldnt unless necessary stay and fight, thats what we have a police force and a military for brainchild.
Why dont you stay in the back of the class and let the grown ups discuss grown up things pookie
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Most of the world hates us..huh..thats why they are still all coming in droves...please stop commenting on US foreign policy. Ur country barely counts.
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lol bro you know nothing about me so i would say its you whos talking out of your ass, and all those things are possesions which can be replaced, your life cannot be. If we did get invaded I wouldnt unless necessary stay and fight, thats what we have a police force and a military for brainchild.
Why dont you stay in the back of the class and let the grown ups discuss grown up things pookie
What are you a gypsy or a nomad? You are so entrenched in your current lifestyle you wouldn't know what to do with yourself if you had to leave everything you knew. You make it sound like it's all about losing your possessions, it's deeper then that. The people don't wanna leave where they live because it makes up who they are. Your blaming people for staying in a place that they shouldnt even be asked to leave in the first place. Plus, where are they suppose to go? A lot of them get turned away at borders, you think they just pick up their families and go to the next county motel?
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What are you a gypsy or a nomad? You are so entrenched in your current lifestyle you wouldn't know what to do with yourself if you had to leave everything you knew. You make it sound like it's all about losing your possessions, it's deeper then that. The people don't wanna leave where they live because it makes up who they are. Your blaming people for staying in a place that they shouldnt even be asked to leave in the first place. Plus, where are they suppose to go? A lot of them get turned away at borders, you think they just pick up their families and go to the next county motel?
lol once again you are making assumptions about me, you know what they say about assumptions. I would have no problem leaving my current lifestyle behind if it meant that i would die if i didnt. When bad things happen you do what needs to be done PERIOD, you dont stop and think about your lifestyle...you know for someone who pegged me for not ever having a hard day, it sure seems like you have lead a privilaged life.
READ the entire thread you twit and take a comprehension course in reading, I brought this up as a POINT to be made on Matt C.'s staunch view of the U.S. and civilian causalties in iraq and his view on sweatshops.
My problem with matt c is that he is very vocal about standing up for the civilian causalties of the iraq war and bashing the U.S. but says that sweatshops are ok b/c they are voluntary and the workers choose to work there, but so do the civilians that are killed in the war they choose to live in a city that is at war.
If it were me and my city was at war if I wasnt involved Id be pretty far away from the fighting. So according to his logic he shouldnt blame the U.S. for civilian causalties as they voluntarily stay in harms way.
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lol i agree that your comments could reflect many countries but from the context of the posts on this thread and subject of the thread itself it would reason that they were directed toward the U.S. and be honest in your intentions, where they not?
Nope, ...but if you think the shoe fits, ...I won't tell you that you can't wear it. ;) :P
My problem with matt c is that he is very vocal about standing up for the civilian causalties of the iraq war and bashing the U.S. but says that sweatshops are ok b/c they are voluntary and the workers choose to work there, but so do the civilians that are killed in the war they choose to live in a city that is at war.
If it were me and my city was at war if I wasnt involved Id be pretty far away from the fighting. So according to his logic he shouldnt blame the U.S. for civilian causalties as they voluntarily stay in harms way.
There's hardly anything voluntary about staying in an area when all the borders are closed to you,
...provided you can even get to a border. :-\
Now is anyone going to discuss Wuterich? ...who he is ...why he's incarcerated ...what he's accused of?
...anyone?
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Nope, ...but if you think the shoe fits, ...I won't tell you that you can't wear it. ;) :P
There's hardly anything voluntary about staying in an area when all the borders are closed to you,
...provided you can even get to a border. :-\
Now is anyone going to discuss Wuterich? ...who he is ...why he's incarcerated ...what he's accused of?
...anyone?
He's accused of slaughtering a bunch of Iraqi civilians in botched raids on homes.
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lol once again you are making assumptions about me, you know what they say about assumptions. I would have no problem leaving my current lifestyle behind if it meant that i would die if i didnt. When bad things happen you do what needs to be done PERIOD, you dont stop and think about your lifestyle...you know for someone who pegged me for not ever having a hard day, it sure seems like you have lead a privilaged life.
READ the entire thread you twit and take a comprehension course in reading, I brought this up as a POINT to be made on Matt C.'s staunch view of the U.S. and civilian causalties in iraq and his view on sweatshops.
Your the one that said you would just leave the area in a war and didn't understand why people would stay. Seriously, your clueless. You have zero idea of what happens during a war. Your so disconnected from the suffering over there. You think the people can just pick up their families, jump into their SUV/camper/trailer, pull out their money out of the bank, find a job somewhere else and go on with life. Where will you go when you have nothing to start your life again? No job, no money, no food, try to find water, don't know the language of the other country you might be able to enter. A screaming kid, old parents to drag with you, closed borders to you. I just leave You have NO IDEA.
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So whats ur frame of reference...media reports or having been on the ground.
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Nope, ...but if you think the shoe fits, ...I won't tell you that you can't wear it. ;) :P
There's hardly anything voluntary about staying in an area when all the borders are closed to you,
...provided you can even get to a border. :-\
Jag Jag Jag I thought we were going to have a honest and open discussion, those comments were geared toward the U.S. and you know that they were...be honest?
And I agreee theres hardly anything voluntary about staying in Iraq if your a citizen, just as much of a choice to work in a sweatshop in china...which was my original point.
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Your the one that said you would just leave the area in a war and didn't understand why people would stay. Seriously, your clueless. You have zero idea of what happens during a war. Your so disconnected from the suffering over there. You think the people can just pick up their families, jump into their SUV/camper/trailer, pull out their money out of the bank, find a job somewhere else and go on with life. Where will you go when you have nothing to start your life again? No job, no money, no food, try to find water, don't know the language of the other country you might be able to enter. A screaming kid, old parents to drag with you, closed borders to you. I just leave You have NO IDEA.
lol once again you need to GO BACK AND READ THE THREAD I brought this up as a point to be made on matt c.'s conflicting views. That being said I can think of 5 people off the top of my head in different towns and states that are family and friends that would be more than willing to house me and my family. Im sure people in Iraq have extended families as well.
And I too would like to know your frame of reference along with headhuntersix?
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Jag Jag Jag I thought we were going to have a honest and open discussion, those comments were geared toward the U.S. and you know that they were...be honest?
Actually, I was thinking about another country at the time, ...but I can see where there are multiple similarities.
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He's accused of slaughtering a bunch of Iraqi civilians in botched raids on homes.
Did he? ???
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This is the last Haditha Marine. The rest got off because the entire thing was BULLSHIT>>>>BULLSHIT. The whole story was generated by an "Iraqi Human rights group".....the investigation by them and by Time magazine was atleast 4 months old by the time the story broke. The Marines did an investigation immediately after the incident and found nothing. There is enough about Haditha on the web without rehashing it.
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Actually, I was thinking about another country at the time, ...but I can see where there are multiple similarities.
what country would that be jag if you dont mind me asking?
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what country would that be jag if you dont mind me asking?
A "supposedly" democratic Pakistan was foremost in my mind, ...as well as the recent unrest in Kenya.
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A "supposedly" democratic Pakistan was foremost in my mind, ...as well as the recent unrest in Kenya.
lol