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Getbig Main Boards => General Topics => Topic started by: milfer on January 13, 2008, 01:47:54 PM
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who hates doing this we are in America right?
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Agreed.
Anyone who insists on speaking some other tongue can go to whichever country that language is spoken in.
English only please.
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Pulsa número dos para inglés por favor...
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all the way baby.... all the way ;D
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Agreed.
Anyone who insists on speaking some other tongue can go to whichever country that language is spoken in.
English only please.
I agree, of course. If an individual business wants to make other language choices available, that's all fine and good, but the default choice better be English if they want my business. I have spoken.
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all the way baby.... all the way ;D
Aren't you a Frenchie Quebecois?
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Don't like it one bit.
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I agree - I would prefer to press '6' for english
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I like what Arnold said to the Spanish Americans, how they need to turn off the Spanish Channel. Good for him.
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Not to shit on anyone's English-only parade, but in Europe, just about everyone there is multi-lingual. I don't see what the problem would be if Spanish were pushed a lot more on students beginning in early grade school to ensure all can speak both English and Spanish fluently. In a perfect world, we would be able to understand English or Spanish just fine if either one were spoken to us....no "press 1" option available. However, to us older folks, that isn't really an option as learning a 2nd language from scratch is difficult.
The Mexicans and Central Americans are pouring into our country by the hundreds of thousands. There is no realistic option on forcing them to speak English fluently. It won't/can't happen.
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The Mexicans and Central Americans are pouring into our country by the hundreds of thousands. There is no realistic option on forcing them to speak English fluently. It won't/can't happen.
Then that's their problem.
I’m an American. If I ever moved to Germany, Sweden, Japan, etc. I would never expect them to make lingual accommodations for me.
In fact, I would see it as my responsibility to learn their language before moving.
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We'll all be learning Chinese eventually anyway
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I was cooking yesterday, prattling on and on in my high-school and prison spanish. sounded just like one of the 'ricans. If I can learn some spanish they should certainly be at the point where their english is better than my spanish, which is NOT the case ;)
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the day i gotta press 1 for taco-talk ...i move...
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There is no realistic option on forcing them to speak English fluently. It won't/can't happen.
I think that they can get to the point where they can at least understand and communicate basic English.
It should be a requirement to become a citizen or after you have had your green card or whatever for a certain amount of time.
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no comprende.
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I saw a Burger King sign awhile back that said "Manayers needed." lol
so if you're looking for a yob go there.
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Not to shit on anyone's English-only parade, but in Europe, just about everyone there is multi-lingual. I don't see what the problem would be if Spanish were pushed a lot more on students beginning in early grade school to ensure all can speak both English and Spanish fluently. In a perfect world, we would be able to understand English or Spanish just fine if either one were spoken to us....no "press 1" option available. However, to us older folks, that isn't really an option as learning a 2nd language from scratch is difficult.
The Mexicans and Central Americans are pouring into our country by the hundreds of thousands. There is no realistic option on forcing them to speak English fluently. It won't/can't happen.
Hmmm, what about all the Italians, Germans, etc that poured into Ellis Island and learned the damn language. I stand behind these people in line at fast food joints and they can't even say "number 1,2, or 3". Where does it end?
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if you're going to move to America, you need to speak the language that was here FIRST!
...Cheroke
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friend of mine i met down the gym came to ireland here 15 months ago. is now fluent and speaks fantastic english.
Vasyl said when he arrived he only knew 10 words in english maximum.
The amount of polish, lithuanian, bulgarians, ruissians, latvians and basically all E.Europeans coming to ireland is insane. The majority of then cant speak english. Its a shame though.
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Hmmm, what about all the Italians, Germans, etc that poured into Ellis Island and learned the damn language. I stand behind these people in line at fast food joints and they can't even say "number 1,2, or 3". Where does it end?
Very, very different circumstances. The Italians and Germans did not pour into this country at anywhere near the same rate and even further away from the actual numbers that Mexicans/Central Americans came into this country. Here are some of the reasons(yes, I love using bullets).
- The Europeans coming into this country of the early 20th century did so to start over. Wipe the slate clean. Jobs were plentiful. The Mexicans/Central Americans come here simply because of the jobs...and send the money back to their homeland. In essence, the Europeans of old wanted to become Americans(and shared similar background, culture, religion, and ethnicity with the Founders and the people already here) whereas today's hispanic immigrants are still loyal to their native countries and simply use the jobs here to help support what they have at home. They have no desire to become Americans.
- Back then, the US did not have a policy like today of ultra-tolerance. Meaning, the people back then were pretty much forced to speak English. Today, companies and governments go out of their way to offer services in their native languages, which, in the end, defeats the desire and necessity to speak English.
- Many of the people who come here to the US from Mexico hold a certain grudge against us. Have you seen the recent crime rates in Mexico itself towards tourists? Have you seen what groups such as La Raza and MECHA state and distribute? Some believe the US Southwest is rightfully theirs. The Europeans of old did not hold any grudges or hostilities to this nation, but were endearing to it.
But, yea, I know what you mean. I live right on the Dade and Broward county borders. Miami, and especially Hialeah is absolutely crazy. Hard to even get a check cashed down there.
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Today, companies and governments go out of their way to offer services in their native languages, which, in the end, defeats the desire and necessity to speak English.
This is an excellent point, and 100% TRUE.
I like your post.
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Hmmm, what about all the Italians, Germans, etc that poured into Ellis Island and learned the damn language. I stand behind these people in line at fast food joints and they can't even say "number 1,2, or 3". Where does it end?
allthe Italian,germans,etc came here legally, they didint swim across rivers and jump fences to get here. the European immigrants made this country what it is today, they fought wars,payed taxes and loved this county as their own. all the Mexicans do is take away good jobs drive illegally and hate this country. this shit needs to stop!!!
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allthe Italian,germans,etc came here legally, they didint swim across rivers and jump fences to get here. the European immigrants made this country what it is today, they fought wars,payed taxes and loved this county as their own. all the Mexicans do is take away good jobs drive illegally and hate this country. this shit needs to stop!!!
Racist!!!!
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Then that's their problem.
I’m an American. If I ever moved to Germany, Sweden, Japan, etc. I would never expect them to make lingual accommodations for me.
In fact, I would see it as my responsibility to learn their language before moving.
You'd be surprised there mate. Most American expats don't speak a lick of the local language or if they do, totally mangled. They force their way through with English. Statements like the above are pretty bold but I guess you would't move to another country now would you? ;D
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Who cares? America is the land of all, the land of plenty---we should embrase all.
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You'd be surprised there mate. Most American expats don't speak a lick of the local language or if they do, totally mangled. They force their way through with English. Statements like the above are pretty bold but I guess you would't move to another country now would you? ;D
Read my post again, mate.
I said I wouldn't expect them to make accomadations on my account. I never said they don't. And I certainly don't feel bad for any of my countrymen/women who are foolish enough to voluntarily enter a foreign land without the courtesy to learn that land's native language.
And no, I have no plans to ever move to another country. But I suppose my statements could seem rather bold...when taken out of context. ;D
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Racist!!!!
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yes i am ;D
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The Native Americans had no concept of a nation. They were comprised of various tribes that moved throughout the land. There was no centralization, no semblance of a unified government. They lived off the land, had their own cultures, system of belief, and simply......lived life.
A lot of people actually do not grasp about what truly and why it happened when the Europeans came. Some believe the Europeans came on the sole intent to conquer. Some believe it was to instill Christian beliefs onto the natives. Others, and this is a widely held belief, that the Europeans came to simply expand and compound their sphere of influence as the various European nations were very competitive with one another, especially on the colonial front.
The N.A's were not beaten with guns and weaponry. They were not beaten with sheer numbers. They were beaten with goods. They used bow and arrows and other rudimentary(but effective for them) tools and instruments. The Europeans introduced guns, sophisticated traps, exotic food items, and other goods that the N.A's boggled at, and were all too happy to trade land for. As in the past, they could always move elsewhere, as they've always done. The White Man will not encroach upon us for he sees us as his friend, a neighbor.
So, how could in such a short amount of time that a people who for generations had effectively and efficiently lived off the fruits of the land, be reduced to being killed by starvation, disease, and famine? In addition, many were killed in armed conflicts over the new settler's broken promises to provide food, shelter and clothing to a defeated, once-proud people living on a reserved piece of land. It continues to this very day, as our government gives very handsome payouts to Native Americans but yet...N.A.'s suffer the highest rates of alcoholism, depression, and suicide anywhere in the country.
The answer: the introduction of an advanced culture to a far less advanced and educated one. This is a deadly mix and often has disastrous consequences upon the "lesser culture." This is not to say that one set of people are inherently better than another group(where calls of racism begin to come in). In this time period, I mean advanced by shipbuilding, technological advances, science, and philosophy.
Sorry for making this long, but let's look at modern day examples: The West(and more recently China and Japan) is pretty much the sole producer of cutting edge technologies and command complete military dominance. With globalization(methodology of travel, internet, commerce) as a norm nowadays, you are putting high-grade technologies and weaponry into the hands of people who otherwise have not advanced far enough on their own to produce and invent them themselves. This is why we now fear radical Islamic fundamentalists because they now have the capabilities, thanks to Western technologies, to blow up parts of cities and kill thousands at once.......if left completely isolated or shut out from the west, they'd still be fighting with swords and rudimentary muskets and rifles. Western technology has only compounded and exponentially increased the destructive natures of the radical Islamists, and much of the peoples of Sub-Saharan Africa. Where a spear or knife was once used, a machine gun can now be used.