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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Brixtonbulldog on January 13, 2008, 02:08:07 PM
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... impossible, right?
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yes
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natural means no synthol and nubain.
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Nubret was about as natural as Lolo Ferrari's tits.
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all food
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why not ask him
he posts on this board
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I guess Serge forgot about confessing to steroid use in an ironage issue of MUSCLEMAG:
Musclememory is your friend:
http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/mmi/mmi014.jpg
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I am a big fan of Serge but I don't think he has ever even claimed to be natural. I know he has said before that he was natural in his first contest(s). However, I don't think he would have worded it this way if he was trying to claim that he was a lifetime natural.
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all food horse
fixed
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I am a big fan of Serge but I don't think he has ever even claimed to be natural. I know he has said before that he was natural in his first contest(s). However, I don't think he would have worded it this way if he was trying to claim that he was a lifetime natural.
This is actually the second time in the past few years that he's made the same claim. The other time was in a 2005 issue of MUSCLEMAG.
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I noticed that cover says "Vince answers" is that our very own Vince Basile or perhaps even Vince Goodrum answering questions?
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This is actually the second time in the past few years that he's made the same claim. The other time was in a 2005 issue of MUSCLEMAG.
I have that issue lying around someplace. I like Serge as much as the next guy, but I'm sorry--in this case, he's brimming with it.
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Natural as in only Dbol used...............
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I noticed that cover says "Vince answers" is that our very own Vince Basile or perhaps even Vince Goodrum answering questions?
Gironda... he used to have a Q & A.
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btw rips is all bs
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Check Serge's thread - He was THE master illusionist and only 15 stone. The fact he's pretty much the same size at 69 years old says it all. If he says he's natural, I believe him.
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Check Serge's thread - He was THE master illusionist and only 15 stone. The fact he's pretty much the same size at 69 years old says it all. If he says he's natural, I believe him.
Imagine him on Arnolds stack.
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hmmm..deleting my response...board nazis working OT today...
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why are you even looking at a magazine like that anyway?
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Check Serge's thread - He was THE master illusionist and only 15 stone. The fact he's pretty much the same size at 69 years old says it all. If he says he's natural, I believe him.
You are new to the bodybuilding scene are you?
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You are new to the bodybuilding scene are you?
NO, 22 years a bodybuilder - You are probably one of these getbiggers who think ANY muscle is the result of drugs?? Go read all 63pp of Serge's thread, train as hard and shock yourself with your results.
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I believe it.
He's french AND black after all ;D
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All drugs
Here is an old pic before he started abusing steroids.
Killed your own argument there - Correct that that is an old pic (from the mid 1960's). Serge continued to add muscle very slowly and peaked in his late thirties and early 40's at about only a stone or so heavier than this. The first pic on this thread was taken when he was 53! Knock a lot of the other guys, but Serge is an exeption to the usual rule believe me. Watch out this summer when he tours Europe and guest poses at 70 years old. He'll be pretty much the same size as he was at his peak.
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I agree, he uses GH now and looked better at 53 then he did at 30.
Yawn!! With that attitude you will remain as the 13stone "monster" you are now ...
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I agree, he uses GH now and looked better at 53 then he did at 30.
If Mr Nubret says he's natural, he's natural. Job Done
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i would like to believe that, but i doubt it.
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In all sincerity if he was natural in that first pic he would have won the drug tested Olympia in 90.
I wish he was natural but the fact is he was not, Light cycles maybe but he used.
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In all sincerity if he was natural in that first pic he would have won the drug tested Olympia in 90.
I wish he was natural but the fact is he was not, Light cycles maybe but he used.
He was banned from IFBB in 1976 - Ask yourself, why would a non-Competitor use life risking drugs at 53 or even 70??? ( Still in same shape today ) - Read Serge's thread, best read a bodybuilder can make
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I don't know anything about stones but I do know Serge heavily abused steroids and now GH.
Know???? I don't think so .... Foolish to post such statements as fact when they can be read by the man himself.
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He was banned from IFBB in 1976 - Ask yourself, why would a non-Competitor use life risking drugs at 53 or even 70??? ( Still in same shape today ) - Read Serge's thread, best read a bodybuilder can make
I used for ten years,not all anabolics are harmfull even at 93, there are many drugs that add the polish to an outstanding physique maybe in Serges case as little as 15 to 20 pounds,Remember what Arnold said that he used drugs only as a tool to help refine the physique.
Serges training techniques i follow now natural compared to the typical drug regiem and training i was on and have great results but a little bit of this and that with absolute no damage to my health i could put on 20 more pounds.The guys a Legend of the sport im sorry i disagree with you but we agree on one thing he was a pioneer of the sport.
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BS.
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... impossible, right?
impossible. that shitt aint natural. Never heard of Reps mag.
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impossible. that shitt aint natural. Never heard of Reps mag.
It's another Robert Kennedy mag. Been around for a while. (Spun out of Musclemag)
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Nope, he wasn't when he was younger. I used to see him quite a bit when I trained at Bill Pearls when I was a kid.
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Robert Kennedy is another one of those crusty looking schmoe guys, like Lonnie Tepper...something aint right there.
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Robert Kennedy is another one of those crusty looking schmoe guys, like Lonnie Tepper...something aint right there.
Sirtraps.. are you saying the RK might be another muscle boy enthusiast much like the weiders?
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Nope, he wasn't when he was younger. I used to see him quite a bit when I trained at Bill Pearls when I was a kid.
of course he was using drugs
he was a professional BB or at the very least derived his living from his body
Joe,
did he really train the way he was written about back then
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of course he was using drugs
he was a professional BB or at the very least derived his living from his body
Joe,
did he really train the way he was written about back then
Honestly I never seen him train, I really wish I could have. I used to train with Bill early before school and when Serge was there he would train later. The only times that I would see him is when he visited Bill.
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If he says he's natural, I believe him.
Pathetic.
And if he says god exists, do you believe him ?
::) ::) ::)
(and FYI, he admitted in a 90's french magazine that he took steroids...)
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If he says he's natural, I believe him.
AHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!
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Natural as in only Dbol winstrol used...............
Fixed.
And those were his own words. :)
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Serge admitted to taking drugs in the MUSCLEMAG issue that I posted above. No one is still debating this are they?
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Serges physique is amazing, regardless of taking steroids or not. Most people here don't care if someone takes gear, i think what the problem is is when someones "uses" but claims not to. A lot of us here are bodybuilding fans, we know what happens and what is needed to be succesful, we don't need him to go into details or anything, but being honest about his status (natural or not) would be appreciated.
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I agree...and told Serge as much. His response is that he has given many seminars around the world and answered this question and experienced people angry and disgruntled telling him he was wrong to the point where he thought "Why do I go through this? People believe what they want to believe anyway. This is a pain in the derriere." That's why I gave the example of Bill Pearl...to show that even if you say you took something, people say it's b.s. and tell you you're wrong. That's no different response than saying you are natural and having people mad with disbelief. People wanted Reg Park to admit he took something and made fun of anyone saying he was natural too. It's an argument that's hard to win because the reason for saying something versus saying nothing are equivocally valid...because no matter what side of the fence you're on...someone is going to be pissed.
My personality is to lay it out there...and if people don't like it I don't care. But english is not Serge's first language and so he is different and prefers to avoid conflict moreso than some here because it's negative/unpleasant...and that's his choice, so I respect that because he doesn't have to answer anything he doesn't want to. What he offers here is free advice how to build a shape like his--not how to win the Olympia. That's a different program.
Arnold answered the steroid question by saying he took them and people have had just as bad or worse response as if he would have said he is natural. Some are glad to hear what he said. Others blame him for setting a bad example. I think trying to please everyone is a sure fire way to be miserable, so you just have to do what's comfortable for you and go with your gut. And try to show people respect. Be honest...and if you don't want to say anything...than that's o.k. too.
The reason I posted the pictures of some of the guys Serge trains is to illustrate that it's not about drugs. Because a lot of guys here take drugs and don't look like him--but the guys he trains do--even though he gives them no steroid advice. If you're natural and train like he does, you will have the same shape Serge does. If you take drugs and train like he does, you will have the same shape Serge does--only it will be bigger...with maybe a wider waist and some other characteristics that sometimes accompany drug use.
Someone told me it isn't natural to eat 8 lbs. of horse meat or beef a day...because of the overload of testosterone from the meat and possibility of steroid pellets put in the animals ears that could contribute to a steroid accumulation in the body. Considering that, I understand that position. So I will say that sometimes it's hard to know what is going on in anyone's body in terms of chemistry in terms of hormones (especially if they train 5 hours a day). I still think the training is the most important element in terms of having an impressive overall sculpted shape (along with what you eat)...regardless of if you choose to take drugs or not.
What other famous bodybuilders did Serge train?
Aside from Terry Pastel? I think Mohammed Makkawy is not a student of Serge, more likely to be that of Vince Gironda.
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Bodybuilder who is largely influenced by Serge from my observation is Rory Leidemeyer.
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I guess Serge forgot about confessing to steroid use in an ironage issue of MUSCLEMAG:
Musclememory is your friend:
(http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/mmi/mmi014.jpg)
I'd hit that. Meaning the hot ass next to Serge.
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(http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/mmi/mmi014.jpg)
I'd hit that. Meaning the hot ass Serge.
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He was banned from IFBB in 1976 - Ask yourself, why would a non-Competitor use life risking drugs at 53 or even 70??? ( Still in same shape today ) - Read Serge's thread, best read a bodybuilder can make
i could go on for hours about this but it's futile. on this board, with the words WRITTEN BY SERGE HIMSELF (not by someone in a magazine, regardless of who it is), he claims neutral status - that is not natty, but not a drug user. he simply says 'why does it matter'? and he's right, it doesn't.
let's hear SERGE'S view on this - in this thread! SERGE?
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The Reps! article didn't actually interview Serge. It was more a profile of Serge. The claim that Serge didn't take steroids is the magazines (though perhaps promoted by Serge's recent claims). Interestingly, the article also says that Serge often ate 10 lbs of meat in a day, including horse meat.
Reps! isn't too bad of a magazine. (see http://www.repsmag.com/ (http://www.repsmag.com/)) It is definitely better than Kennedy's other mags, especially the Musclemag International rag.
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Bet he was taking almost nothing compared to what guys take now.
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...he simply says 'why does it matter'? and he's right, it doesn't.
let's hear SERGE'S view on this - in this thread! SERGE?
You say it doesn't matter and yet turn right around and call on Serge to speak on this topic. Seems like it matters to you more than you let on.
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You say it doesn't matter and yet turn right around and call on Serge to speak on this topic. Seems like it matters to you more than you let on.
well, i was just trying to find the truth and correct any misinformation the mag may have presented. i for one dont care if he used or not. if i was anti steroids, i probably wouldnt be a bbing fan. just dont like liars, thats all, especially when theres no need to bring it up (aka magazine article).
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I guess Serge forgot about confessing to steroid use in an ironage issue of MUSCLEMAG:
Musclememory is your friend:
http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/mmi/mmi014.jpg
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=194825.0;attach=226880;image)
Page 35:
Serge Nubret: "For the last twenty years I have been exercising for three or four hours, six days a week and the only questions I got asked is what drugs do I take? Nobody showed an interest in my training habits, yet this is what built my body, not drugs! I have taken drugs yes, but I obtained 20" arms first. All the drugs did was harden me up slightly. I attribute my success to hard, long regular workouts and a diet which consists mainly of fish, meat, eggs and salads. Only after a contest will I be tempted to each [sic] a couple of plates of spaghetti...and then within a few days, I am back on my spartan diet."
So there you have it.