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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: cypher on January 15, 2008, 03:24:08 PM
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Lately Ive noticed my chest fatigues more intensely then it used to.
Ive been lifting for about a year. And when I started I would do flat first then incline and I wouldnt have trouble.
Now, whichever I do second takes a major hit in the amount of weight I can put up. ie. Flat first I can get the 70s for 6.. if i do it second i can barely get 60s for 8.. and vice versa. Lately ive been trying to build up my upper chest, so Ive been doing incline first, and Im just wondering how can i prevent this fatigue. Or should I split upper and lower chest on diff days?
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If you have only been lifting for a year, you are worried far too much about details that don't matter.
Squat 500+ pounds, then worry about your chest.
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Lately Ive noticed my chest fatigues more intensely then it used to.
Ive been lifting for about a year. And when I started I would do flat first then incline and I wouldnt have trouble.
Now, whichever I do second takes a major hit in the amount of weight I can put up. ie. Flat first I can get the 70s for 6.. if i do it second i can barely get 60s for 8.. and vice versa. Lately ive been trying to build up my upper chest, so Ive been doing incline first, and Im just wondering how can i prevent this fatigue. Or should I split upper and lower chest on diff days?
I wouldn't worry about anything like that - just concentrate on doing the best you can do in each workout and trying to better what you did in the previous one - if you're getting stronger, then you're onto a winner. Keep your chest workout the same for a while, and I mean the same exercises in the same order. Do inclines first followed by flat on exercises that you prefer but just look to make improvements on the strength side of things - the rest will follow.
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If you have only been lifting for a year, you are worried far too much about details that don't matter.
Squat 500+ pounds, then worry about your chest.
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Okay.
I wasn't the only one.
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Simply alternate them weekly.
Flat heavy one week,with higher rep inclines,then the next week heavy inclines,with higher rep flats.
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Actually with progressive weight training, the whole idea is to fatigue a specific muscle group. As a general rule you should be using more weight (percentage wise) on the first exercise for any muscle group (there are exception of course with more advance ways of training). So if a good set of Inclines taxes the chest muscles the next sets of flats will require that the weight used be reduced somewhat. Vice versa if the exercises are changed around. That is the point and that is what you are after, proper fatigue of a muscle group. But not to the point of overtraining, which could delay proper recovery time.
In my view, it really does not matter if Inclines or flat benches are first in a chest workout. With Inclines, the higher degree the bench is the more the anterior (front) delts will come into play anyway, even at the expense of working the upper pecs. With flats, the chances are most of the pec area (even upper) will be worked better if a wider grip and the bar lowered nearer the upper chest/neck area. That is, when a bar is used rather than DB's. With DB's, either when doing Incline or flat, keep the elbows wide out and the DB's inline with the upper chest/neck area.
Another Example: If you want to try the Pre-Exhaust system than do a set of Pec Decks followed immediately by Inclines or flat benches. Which ever appeals to you at the time. If the Pec Deck at your gym is one where the elbows are placed on pads (rather that gripped way out with the hands) you are in luck.You want the point of resistance on the elbows, better direct focus/leverage on the pec's themselves. DB's and even cables (though getting a great pump,it can be misleading...a pump will not insure actual muscle growth) are a second choice when it comes to a more direct focus on the pec's (upper and lower of this single muscle group) with most versions of the Pec Deck.
If you have a need to take it one more click up than start with a set of Pec Decks, than flat benches and end with Incline presses. All in a Tri Set matter. Keeping the rest to zero between exercises. Try two, or three cycles at the mos, of any Tri Set.
Pre-Exhaust is when a extension exercise is done before a major press/pull exercise. Like Pec Deck/Flys before chest. Laterial raises before delts. Straight arm pullovers ( or bentover rear raises) before back. Leg extensions before squats. ETC, etc, etc. Good Luck.
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Okay.
I wasn't the only one.
I'll add one
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Silly me.
You guys definately want to focus on your inner upper chests instead of squatting more. Squatting more is hard. Plus, you can always have the excuse that your routine isn't right to get bigger, and you can keep buying your glossy magazines for this months alliterative workout.
Most lifters make their training far more complicated than necessary, and most try to follow routines that are best used by people FAR more advanced.
Unless you are a National level competitor, there's no reason to even have a "chest" workout. Add weight to 6-8 basic lifts, repeat those lifts frequently, and you'll get where you want to be.
If people don't stop and stare at you on the street, you aren't big enough yet to worry about a bodypart.
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I've been doing Incline BB 5x5's. Adding 5 pounds a week as I progress. I also do Incline DB, Flat DB, and mix in flat flyes and incline flyes (all straight sets 3x8 or so). My strength is really progressing but my chest size has been stuck at 47" for a while. I don't do a lot of BB flat (maybe every other week or so) because I tend to feel to much shoulders in it.
I'm probably doing too many sets, but to get a really good pump it takes more in my case.
Any suggestions on gaining more size?
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Silly me.
You guys definately want to focus on your inner upper chests instead of squatting more. Squatting more is hard. Plus, you can always have the excuse that your routine isn't right to get bigger, and you can keep buying your glossy magazines for this months alliterative workout.
Most lifters make their training far more complicated than necessary, and most try to follow routines that are best used by people FAR more advanced.
Unless you are a National level competitor, there's no reason to even have a "chest" workout. Add weight to 6-8 basic lifts, repeat those lifts frequently, and you'll get where you want to be.
If people don't stop and stare at you on the street, you aren't big enough yet to worry about a bodypart.
You must be quite a beast.
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I've been doing Incline BB 5x5's. Adding 5 pounds a week as I progress. I also do Incline DB, Flat DB, and mix in flat flyes and incline flyes (all straight sets 3x8 or so). My strength is really progressing but my chest size has been stuck at 47" for a while. I don't do a lot of BB flat (maybe every other week or so) because I tend to feel to much shoulders in it.
I'm probably doing too many sets, but to get a really good pump it takes more in my case.
Any suggestions on gaining more size?
you feel too much shoulders on flat bb and not incline bb??? something sounds wrong there....are you flaring your elbows out alot?? try bringing the bar down to about the nipples and focus on tucking your elbows in....
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"Unless you are a National level competitor, there's no reason to even have a "chest" workout."
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"Unless you are a National level competitor, there's no reason to even have a "chest" workout."
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hahaha, unless the world stops and stares at how huge you are you shouldn't train rear delts.
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hahaha, unless the world stops and stares at how huge you are you shouldn't train rear delts.
Exactly. Might as well never train calves or better yet legs all together since no one is going to hike up your pants and look at your legs either!
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I don't think you understand. Not suprising.
You train your entire body. There is no need to train a specific bodypart to the exclusion of others unless you are a high level competitor.
You train more than just your quads when you squat. More than just your hamstrings when you deadlift. More than just your chest when you bench.
Unless you have a very impressive physique, however, there is no need to have a 'chest workout'. That doesn't mean you don't train a lift that develops your chest.
So yes, if you are not big enough that people stop and stare at you, there's no reason to have a chest workout, or a rear delt workout, or a bicep workout.
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I don't think you understand. Not suprising.
You train your entire body. There is no need to train a specific bodypart to the exclusion of others unless you are a high level competitor.
You train more than just your quads when you squat. More than just your hamstrings when you deadlift. More than just your chest when you bench.
Unless you have a very impressive physique, however, there is no need to have a 'chest workout'. That doesn't mean you don't train a lift that develops your chest.
So yes, if you are not big enough that people stop and stare at you, there's no reason to have a chest workout, or a rear delt workout, or a bicep workout.
is it me or was anything mentioned about disregarding all other body parts?
Squats aren't the end all, be all of a workout. Sounds like PJ is the one disregarding all but squats.
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"Unless you are a National level competitor, there's no reason to even have a "chest" workout."
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LOL agreed this is silly. Work that chest!
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I don't think you understand. Not suprising.
You train your entire body. There is no need to train a specific bodypart to the exclusion of others unless you are a high level competitor.
You train more than just your quads when you squat. More than just your hamstrings when you deadlift. More than just your chest when you bench.
Unless you have a very impressive physique, however, there is no need to have a 'chest workout'. That doesn't mean you don't train a lift that develops your chest.
So yes, if you are not big enough that people stop and stare at you, there's no reason to have a chest workout, or a rear delt workout, or a bicep workout.
"So yes, if you are not big enough that people stop and stare at you, there's no reason to have a chest workout, or a rear delt workout, or a bicep workout. "
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I really don't think you understand what I'm saying.
I didn't say just do squats. I said there is no reason to have a 'chest' workout if you are not very advanced.
You should absolutley have a horizontal press in your routine.
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I really don't think you understand what I'm saying.
I didn't say just do squats. I said there is no reason to have a 'chest' workout if you are not very advanced.
You should absolutley have a horizontal press in your routine.
The OP has been lifting for a year, and is certianly not advanced. So his focus shoudl not be on his 'chest', it should be on his everything.
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I really don't think you understand what I'm saying.
I didn't say just do squats. I said there is no reason to have a 'chest' workout if you are not very advanced.
You should absolutley have a horizontal press in your routine.
what planet are you from?
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I really don't think you understand what I'm saying.
I didn't say just do squats. I said there is no reason to have a 'chest' workout if you are not very advanced.
You should absolutley have a horizontal press in your routine.
since you seem like you know what you are talking about ::), please post a picture of yourself?
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since you seem like you know what you are talking about ::), please post a picture of yourself?
I bet Pjs a regular ol mass monster
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I bet Pjs a regular ol mass monster
Of course he is. Anyone that posts such vital information like that, has to be HUGE!!!! ::) ::) ::)
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Silly me.
You guys definately want to focus on your inner upper chests instead of squatting more. Squatting more is hard. Plus, you can always have the excuse that your routine isn't right to get bigger, and you can keep buying your glossy magazines for this months alliterative workout.
Most lifters make their training far more complicated than necessary, and most try to follow routines that are best used by people FAR more advanced.
Unless you are a National level competitor, there's no reason to even have a "chest" workout. Add weight to 6-8 basic lifts, repeat those lifts frequently, and you'll get where you want to be.
If people don't stop and stare at you on the street, you aren't big enough yet to worry about a bodypart.
So how DO you get someone to "stop and stare" without worrying about a body part PjS?? Your logic makes zero sense boy
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So how DO you get someone to "stop and stare" without worrying about a body part PjS?? Your logic makes zero sense boy
You dont even have to workout AT ALL!!!!! If you want people to "stop and stare" just wear like 15 sweatshirts to LOOK HUGE!!!!
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It sounds like pjs cruises the sidewalks in the middle of January with a string tank, spandex shorts, workboots and a gallon of water looking for attention.
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You guys are something else behind a keyboard. You might want to look into the effectivelness of ad hominum arguments and strawman arguments as opposed to knowing what you are talking about.
I'm 5'11, 230 pounds. If you have the sense God gave a goat, you can find a picture of me at a powerlifting meet in 2002, and a photo of me in street clothes from about 6 months ago. Neither will impress you, I'm sure.
I'm going to spend some time (waste?) explaining what I think the OP should do. Take it or leave it, but it's not original thought in any way, it's regurgitation of information from people better at this than me.
First, get Starting Strength and Practical Programming by Mark Rippetoe, and Keys to Progress by McCallum.
On Monday, do this:
Squat 3x5
Overhead press 3x5
Bent barbell row 3x5
15 minutes of whatever you want*
On Wednesday, do this:
Squat 3x5
Bench Press 3x5
Deadlift 1x5
Chins 3xfailure
15 minutes of whatever you want*
On Friday, do the same thing you did Monday, but add a little weight to everything. Keep going, alternating the two workouts, training Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. (Or Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday - any three non consecutive days is fine.)
All sets are 'sets across', or the same weight every set.
*The 15 minutes can be whatever you want, because it really doesn't matter. If you want to do curls, do them here. Same for abs, calves, etc. No more than 15 minutes.
Stick with this until you can't add weight any longer. By then, you will have added somewhere around 200 pounds to your squat, and you'll know what to do next, because you read the books I told you to read.
If you are a decent squatter already (that means you know how to properly execute the lift and can do so with more than your bodyweight on your back), back the weights down so the first couple of sessions you can add 10 pounds to the squat no problem. When they get hard, start adding 5 pounds at a time. All other lifts other than the deadlift go up 5 pounds a time unless you feel great. Deadlifts can go up more, you'll get stronger faster at them for a while.
Progress should continue for 3 months at a minimum assuming you eat and rest properly, and you don't skip workouts. It will probably last much longer.
When you are a national level competitor (which you can do with a program not much more complicated than this, believe it or not), you can worry about having a workout for a specific bodypart. Most likely, you will never be a national level competitor, and will never need to do anything much more complicated than the intermediate level programming described by Rippetoe (which is basically waving intensity over a week's time).
Good Luck. Don't let bodybuilding mythology and bro science drive what you do.
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You guys are something else behind a keyboard. You might want to look into the effectivelness of ad hominum arguments and strawman arguments as opposed to knowing what you are talking about.
I'm 5'11, 230 pounds. If you have the sense God gave a goat, you can find a picture of me at a powerlifting meet in 2002, and a photo of me in street clothes from about 6 months ago. Neither will impress you, I'm sure.
I'm going to spend some time (waste?) explaining what I think the OP should do. Take it or leave it, but it's not original thought in any way, it's regurgitation of information from people better at this than me.
First, get Starting Strength and Practical Programming by Mark Rippetoe, and Keys to Progress by McCallum.
On Monday, do this:
Squat 3x5
Overhead press 3x5
Bent barbell row 3x5
15 minutes of whatever you want*
On Wednesday, do this:
Squat 3x5
Bench Press 3x5
Deadlift 1x5
Chins 3xfailure
15 minutes of whatever you want*
On Friday, do the same thing you did Monday, but add a little weight to everything. Keep going, alternating the two workouts, training Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. (Or Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday - any three non consecutive days is fine.)
All sets are 'sets across', or the same weight every set.
*The 15 minutes can be whatever you want, because it really doesn't matter. If you want to do curls, do them here. Same for abs, calves, etc. No more than 15 minutes.
Stick with this until you can't add weight any longer. By then, you will have added somewhere around 200 pounds to your squat, and you'll know what to do next, because you read the books I told you to read.
If you are a decent squatter already (that means you know how to properly execute the lift and can do so with more than your bodyweight on your back), back the weights down so the first couple of sessions you can add 10 pounds to the squat no problem. When they get hard, start adding 5 pounds at a time. All other lifts other than the deadlift go up 5 pounds a time unless you feel great. Deadlifts can go up more, you'll get stronger faster at them for a while.
Progress should continue for 3 months at a minimum assuming you eat and rest properly, and you don't skip workouts. It will probably last much longer.
When you are a national level competitor (which you can do with a program not much more complicated than this, believe it or not), you can worry about having a workout for a specific bodypart. Most likely, you will never be a national level competitor, and will never need to do anything much more complicated than the intermediate level programming described by Rippetoe (which is basically waving intensity over a week's time).
Good Luck. Don't let bodybuilding mythology and bro science drive what you do.
so your saying you think that this is adequate for anybody thats not at a national level competition..?
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You guys are something else behind a keyboard. You might want to look into the effectivelness of ad hominum arguments and strawman arguments as opposed to knowing what you are talking about.
I'm 5'11, 230 pounds. If you have the sense God gave a goat, you can find a picture of me at a powerlifting meet in 2002, and a photo of me in street clothes from about 6 months ago. Neither will impress you, I'm sure.
I'm going to spend some time (waste?) explaining what I think the OP should do. Take it or leave it, but it's not original thought in any way, it's regurgitation of information from people better at this than me.
First, get Starting Strength and Practical Programming by Mark Rippetoe, and Keys to Progress by McCallum.
On Monday, do this:
Squat 3x5
Overhead press 3x5
Bent barbell row 3x5
15 minutes of whatever you want*
On Wednesday, do this:
Squat 3x5
Bench Press 3x5
Deadlift 1x5
Chins 3xfailure
15 minutes of whatever you want*
On Friday, do the same thing you did Monday, but add a little weight to everything. Keep going, alternating the two workouts, training Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. (Or Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday - any three non consecutive days is fine.)
All sets are 'sets across', or the same weight every set.
*The 15 minutes can be whatever you want, because it really doesn't matter. If you want to do curls, do them here. Same for abs, calves, etc. No more than 15 minutes.
Stick with this until you can't add weight any longer. By then, you will have added somewhere around 200 pounds to your squat, and you'll know what to do next, because you read the books I told you to read.
If you are a decent squatter already (that means you know how to properly execute the lift and can do so with more than your bodyweight on your back), back the weights down so the first couple of sessions you can add 10 pounds to the squat no problem. When they get hard, start adding 5 pounds at a time. All other lifts other than the deadlift go up 5 pounds a time unless you feel great. Deadlifts can go up more, you'll get stronger faster at them for a while.
Progress should continue for 3 months at a minimum assuming you eat and rest properly, and you don't skip workouts. It will probably last much longer.
When you are a national level competitor (which you can do with a program not much more complicated than this, believe it or not), you can worry about having a workout for a specific bodypart. Most likely, you will never be a national level competitor, and will never need to do anything much more complicated than the intermediate level programming described by Rippetoe (which is basically waving intensity over a week's time).
Good Luck. Don't let bodybuilding mythology and bro science drive what you do.
Pjs: considering your use of this latin phrase is unwarranted, a correct spelling would make you look like less of a fool.
secondly, the thread originator (yeah, the one you so arrogantly jumped on) was talking about bodybuilding, not powerlifting.
You may wanna direct your posts and critiques to THAT forum. Being such a guru of lifting weights, you may be of help over there.
As for the originator: Yes, do a hard chest workout. Do presses, inclines, and flies. DO NOT....I REPEAT, DO NOT listen to this bumbling fool PJS (which still hasn't posted a pic)
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so your saying you think that this is adequate for anybody thats not at a national level competition..?
If you read and comprehend my post and the books I suggest, you'll find the answer, which is "no".
It is, however, optimal for the original poster.
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secondly, the thread originator (yeah, the one you so arrogantly jumped on) was talking about bodybuilding, not powerlifting.
You may wanna direct your posts and critiques to THAT forum. Being such a guru of lifting weights, you may be of help over there.
As for the originator: Yes, do a hard chest workout. Do presses, inclines, and flies. DO NOT....I REPEAT, DO NOT listen to this bumbling fool PJS (which still hasn't posted a pic)
Did I hurt your feelings somehow? Call you names and not recall it? If I did, I'm sorry I've apparently offended you.
Perhaps you could present an alternative position, backed with something other than a strawman or namecalling? Maybe something with a base in physiology?
I didn't jump on the OP, I made a suggestion to better his training that apparently you don't like.
The suggestion I posted is perfect for someone just starting out, regardless of their ultimate goal. If you are concerned that 5 rep sets aren't appropriate, certainly you could use those magical 8-12 rep sets. The rest applies.
As far as a photograph, I was unaware that having a photograph was a requirement for posting here. I also noticed that in my post, I mentioned that if you try, you can find a picture of me. Not that it matters. If it did, I'm sure you would have posted yours.
This isn't about some bullshit internet pissing match... I don't really care how you train, I'm just putting the information out there. If you don't like it, keep doing what you are doing. Honestly, it's far more important that you train consistently than what routine you use, isn't it?
There are far too many kids out there struggling to get past 150 pounds, while they worry about their inner upper chest or bicep peak. If they listen to my suggestion, they could gain 50-100 pounds of muscle, and no one other than a national level bodybuilding judge would have anything to say about their physique, other than, 'Holy Shit! That guy is big.'
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Did I hurt your feelings somehow? Call you names and not recall it? If I did, I'm sorry I've apparently offended you.
Perhaps you could present an alternative position, backed with something other than a strawman or namecalling? Maybe something with a base in physiology?
I didn't jump on the OP, I made a suggestion to better his training that apparently you don't like.
The suggestion I posted is perfect for someone just starting out, regardless of their ultimate goal. If you are concerned that 5 rep sets aren't appropriate, certainly you could use those magical 8-12 rep sets. The rest applies.
As far as a photograph, I was unaware that having a photograph was a requirement for posting here. I also noticed that in my post, I mentioned that if you try, you can find a picture of me. Not that it matters. If it did, I'm sure you would have posted yours.
This isn't about some bullshit internet pissing match... I don't really care how you train, I'm just putting the information out there. If you don't like it, keep doing what you are doing. Honestly, it's far more important that you train consistently than what routine you use, isn't it?
There are far too many kids out there struggling to get past 150 pounds, while they worry about their inner upper chest or bicep peak. If they listen to my suggestion, they could gain 50-100 pounds of muscle, and no one other than a national level bodybuilding judge would have anything to say about their physique, other than, 'Holy Shit! That guy is big.'
WOW....i was going to write back about your post, but i think the "bolding" application speaks for itself. WOW....wait til some others see this...you really must be an Internet Mass Monster. WOW...
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HAHA "GAIN 50-100 POUNDS OF MUSCLE"
PJS WONT RECOVER
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If you don't think someone who is 150 pounds can gain 50-100 pounds of muscle, I'm not sure what else to say.
Seems to me there are a lot of folks who want to pick apart semantics and use strawman arguments, but no one can actually present an actual case showing how I (and Rippetoe and McCallum) are somehow wrong.
I've mentioned how strong bodybuilding mythology is here, this thread is an excellent example of it.
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If you don't think someone who is 150 pounds can gain 50-100 pounds of muscle, I'm not sure what else to say.
True naturals prolly don't gain more than 50 pounds of muscle in a lifetime, if that.
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If you don't think someone who is 150 pounds can gain 50-100 pounds of muscle, I'm not sure what else to say.
Seems to me there are a lot of folks who want to pick apart semantics and use strawman arguments, but no one can actually present an actual case showing how I (and Rippetoe and McCallum) are somehow wrong.
I've mentioned how strong bodybuilding mythology is here, this thread is an excellent example of it.
YOU WONT RECOVER
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I would say gaining 30-40 pounds of muscle for an experienced trainer is a very good acheivement..
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I think what PJ is trying to say, but not very eloquently, is get stronger and the getting bigger will come, don't sweat the small stuff. He's right though, way too many of these young dudes in the gym doing cable one arm preacher concentration curls because they read it recruits the most fibers instead of doing barbell curls. I remember an article in the old MM2000 that broke it down something like this: don't do leg extensions until you can squat twice your bodyweight for 10 reps, don't do flyes unless you can bench your bodyweight plus half for 10 reps, only do bar curls and close grip bench until you can do 2/3 bodyweight(I beleive) for 10 reps, they had them for all lifts but those are the only ones I remember. If more guys paid attention to strength levels, size would come more easily. Strength=size, that never changes.
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I think what PJ is trying to say, but not very eloquently, is get stronger and the getting bigger will come, don't sweat the small stuff. He's right though, way too many of these young dudes in the gym doing cable one arm preacher concentration curls because they read it recruits the most fibers instead of doing barbell curls. I remember an article in the old MM2000 that broke it down something like this: don't do leg extensions until you can squat twice your bodyweight for 10 reps, don't do flyes unless you can bench your bodyweight plus half for 10 reps, only do bar curls and close grip bench until you can do 2/3 bodyweight(I beleive) for 10 reps, they had them for all lifts but those are the only ones I remember. If more guys paid attention to strength levels, size would come more easily. Strength=size, that never changes.
thats interesting you know where i could find that article??
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True naturals prolly don't gain more than 50 pounds of muscle in a lifetime, if that.
That's a sad perspective. I've gained more than that, and I'm still going, and I've never used any anabolics.
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That's a sad perspective. I've gained more than that, and I'm still going, and I've never used any anabolics.
you've gained more than 50 pounds of muscle naturally? hmmm.... show a pic then... how are we to look around for your pic (as you say to do) without a name to search dingbat?
post a pic to back up your claim
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thats interesting you know where i could find that article??
Sorry, but no man. I've moved 5 times to three different states since then. I had that mag over 10 years ago, so no clue where its at, sorry dude.
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Silly me.
You guys definately want to focus on your inner upper chests instead of squatting more. Squatting more is hard. Plus, you can always have the excuse that your routine isn't right to get bigger, and you can keep buying your glossy magazines for this months alliterative workout.
Most lifters make their training far more complicated than necessary, and most try to follow routines that are best used by people FAR more advanced.
Unless you are a National level competitor, there's no reason to even have a "chest" workout. Add weight to 6-8 basic lifts, repeat those lifts frequently, and you'll get where you want to be.
If people don't stop and stare at you on the street, you aren't big enough yet to worry about a bodypart.
hahahhaa, another internet monster ::)
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Did you happen to see that by following his training advice, one can gain 50-100 pounds of muscle, all naturally too?
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pjs: u messed up the bill "starrian" routine
you put OP on wed and bench on mon, fri.