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MySpace Lingerie Mayor Refuses to Step Down
Saturday, January 19, 2008
ARLINGTON, Ore. — Mayor Carmen Kontur-Gronquist, whose MySpace photos of her posing in black lingerie on a fire engine put this Columbia River town of 600 into something of a pother, told ABC's 20/20 Friday night that she's not stepping down.
"They're going to have to drag me out of here," she said.
The pictures were taken before she thought of running for mayor, said Kontur-Gronquist, 42, the first woman to hold the unpaid position. She said she had permission from the fire chief to use the engine and had intended to use the photos in a contest about fitness in women.
A relative set up the MySpace page, hoping it would jump-start her social life, said Kontur-Gronquist, a single parent. Family members uploaded the photos and she said she saw no reason to take them down once elected.
"I had no clue that it would cause such a negative reaction," she said. "I called my council members and apologized. Everyone is entitled to their own private life."
At a council meeting this month some people asked for her to resign.
"People aren't laughing with us, they're laughing at us," said school board member Grant Wilkins.
Kontur-Gronquist vows to continue as mayor until her term ends in January 2009,
"The first lesson that I learned (as mayor) is that you'll never make everybody happy. That's the toughest," she said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324045,00.html
From abcnews:
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who cares?
why is this even "news"?
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I would be more worried about a former mayor that dressed in womans clothing and who is currently hoping to be the president of the United States.
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I would be more worried about a former mayor that dressed in womans clothing and who is currently hoping to be the president of the United States.
LOL! - good point
OK - maybe once as a goof but how many times has he done this now?
Look at these photos - that shit takes a lot of work - and it seems like he's really enjoying himself
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That really is a poor political move by that mayor.
this is only news worthy to the extent of laughing about something.
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personally - I couldn't give less of a shit if it's just for fun or even if he likes it.
There are LOT's of other reasons why I don't like Rudy but this ain't one of them
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I nominate this dumbest Politics and Political Issues Board thread of 2008.
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Is this serious? Did someone mention, American Taliban... ::)
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I nominate this dumbest Politics and Political Issues Board thread of 2008.
oh I'm sure there are more worthy threads of that title. :)
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oh I'm sure there are more worthy threads of that title. :)
No doubt. :)
I think it's silly. The pictures were taken before she thought about running for mayor.
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I'd rather she strip down.
That said, if they want her gone, I'm sure there's a process for that.
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i agree with tre...i never knew mayors that hot existed.
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No doubt. :)
I think it's silly. The pictures were taken before she thought about running for mayor.
Who cares if she took those pictures while she was Mayor?
The woman is in a bra. Big fucking deal! Are people really that dumb?
War and murder, dropping uranium depleted weapons on civilians, (you know, children and the elderly) and starving a nation based on lies is ok but a woman can't take pictures of herself in womens underwear!
Having a male mayor who's running for president dress in drag, that only speaks two words, (9/11 and terrorist's) is fine and dandy.
People are so fucking stooooopid!
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Who cares if she took those pictures while she was Mayor?
The woman is in a bra. Big fucking deal! Are people really that dumb?
War and murder, dropping uranium depleted weapons on civilians, (you know, children and the elderly) and starving a nation based on lies is ok but a woman can't take pictures of herself in womens underwear!
Having a male mayor who's running for president dress in drag, that only speaks two words, (9/11 and terrorist's) is fine and dandy.
People are so fucking stooooopid!
Of course it matters. A person holding an elected office would be stupid to take pictures in lingerie and post them on the internet. They would wind up being a national story.
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Of course it matters. A person holding an elected office would be stupid to take pictures in lingerie and post them on the internet. They would wind up being a national story.
But seems like they are just pictures. She's not "posing" "posing", just a picture, she is in really good shape.
Turn this lemon headline "newsline" into lemonade and target obesity, eating healthy....
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But seems like they are just pictures. She's not "posing" "posing", just a picture, she is in really good shape.
Turn this lemon headline "newsline" into lemonade and target obesity, eating healthy....
I don't think there is anything wrong with the picture. I'm just talking about whether an elected official should do this after they are elected. I say "no," because too many people will cause a raucous (as this story shows), it could interfere with the person's ability to do their job, result in the loss of their job, etc.
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there is everything wrong with taking that picture if you are serious about holding a public office.
It's a bad for elected representatives to put themselves in a situation where they can be criticized if they want to be re-elected or keep honor and credibility ti their office and position.
We can sit here and say, what's the big deal, she did nothing wrong. But that's not the case in here profession as a politician.
It was a very bad move.
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there is everything wrong with taking that picture if you are serious about holding a public office.
It's a bad for elected representatives to put themselves in a situation where they can be criticized if they want to be re-elected or keep honor and credibility ti their office and position.
We can sit here and say, what's the big deal, she did nothing wrong. But that's not the case in here profession as a politician.
It was a very bad move.
I haven't seen you give Arnold any shit for walking nude in Terminator 3?
That was very recent.
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Of course it matters. A person holding an elected office would be stupid to take pictures in lingerie and post them on the internet. They would wind up being a national story.
Hello, Rudy Guilliani?
Man, with all the manipulating, lying motherfuckers in politics, THIS is suppose to be a scandal?
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There are nude pictures of Arnie as well aren't there? This is definitely a double standard.
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This pisses me off for some reason.
I don't know what kind of mayor she is, but the very fact that she gets judged differently than others, is pissing me off like there is no tommora'. 8)
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There are nude pictures of Arnie as well aren't there? This is definitely a double standard.
You have lots of people wanting him to become governor, and then president.
But those nude pics, nothing wrong with them then?
The double standard is epic.
I have no problem with Arnold, I would have no problem with Rocco Siffredi, and I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with this showing off of her physique.
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there is everything wrong with taking that picture if you are serious about holding a public office.
It's a bad for elected representatives to put themselves in a situation where they can be criticized if they want to be re-elected or keep honor and credibility ti their office and position.
We can sit here and say, what's the big deal, she did nothing wrong. But that's not the case in here profession as a politician.
It was a very bad move.
She took the picture before running for office.
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I haven't seen you give Arnold any shit for walking nude in Terminator 3?
That was very recent.
You have lots of people wanting him to become governor, and then president.
But those nude pics, nothing wrong with them then?
The double standard is epic.
I have no problem with Arnold, I would have no problem with Rocco Siffredi, and I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with this showing off of her physique.
I don't think I'm explaining what i mean properly.
Idealistically, there is nothing wrong with what she did, politically there is.
Also, Her situation and Arnold's are 2 different things. Arnold is an actor, a very popular super star action actor. People see what Arnold did and it makes sense to them, people see what this lady did and it doesn't. That's why it's politically wrong, not morally wrong, just politically wrong. Maybe careless is a better word, I donno.
In politics you don't thing that can potentially give room for criticism like this. Nothing is gained by that picture (other than negative attention which could turn out positively but certainly not worth the risk) while everything is lost.
She took the picture before running for office.
Even then. She should have removed it. It's like finding mud on a candidate, a skeleton from the past etc... and don;t get me wrong, I don;t really it as an issue, but other people will and it will hurt her politically. That's why if she wanted to be Mayor she should have had it removed.
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Even then. She should have removed it. It's like finding mud on a candidate, a skeleton from the past etc... and don;t get me wrong, I don;t really it as an issue, but other people will and it will hurt her politically. That's why if she wanted to be Mayor she should have had it removed.
I agree.
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she didn't break any f'ng laws so what's the problem.
In fact this kind of controversy could only happen in America.
We're the land of freedom and liberty yet were so uptight about the human body, sexuality, etc...
Who the fuck cares
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she didn't break any f'ng laws so what's the problem.
In fact this kind of controversy could only happen in America.
We're the land of freedom and liberty yet were so uptight about the human body, sexuality, etc...
Who the fuck cares
There is no problem, unless you are her or work for her. Because now you have a mountain of haters to deal with and getting her reelected will be tricky.
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There is no problem, unless you are her or work for her. Because now you have a mountain of haters to deal with.
really? Do we know this to be a fact?
She's the UNPAID mayor of a tiny town in Oregon.
If the 600 or so citizens (and probably much less actual voters) have a problem with her then they can have a recall vote.
This should never rise to the level a national story
20/20 should spend it's valuable air time doing a story about the recount in New Hampshire or something that's actually relevent to the country
This woman took these photos as part of some fitness contest. If the people in this tiny town have a problem with that then let them deal with it themselves
I'll say it again - we have serious issues with the human body, sexuality, etc.... in this country.
The Italian's elected a hard-core porn actress to their Parliment and that was 20 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilona_Staller
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really? Do we know this to be a fact?
She's the UNPAID mayor of a tiny town in Oregon.
If the 600 or so citizens (and probably much less actual voters) have a problem with her then they can have a recall vote.
This should never rise to the level a national story
20/20 should spend it's valuable air time doing a story about the recount in New Hampshire or something that's actually relevent to the country
This woman took these photos as part of some fitness contest. If the people in this tiny town have a problem with that then let them deal with it themselves
I'll say it again - we have serious issues with the human body, sexuality, etc.... in this country.
The Italian's elected a hard-core porn actress to their Parliment and that was 20 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilona_Staller
Do you think that her office, if they could, would rather have the issue to deal with or not have the issue to deal with?
Other than that there's not much to talk about.
And save the wear and tear on your soap box. I agree with you about how America has a problem with the human body, but in today's politics and in the spirit of staying in office and not bringing negative attention to yourself, they or she should have had the pic removed.
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Do you think that her office, if they could, would rather have the issue to deal with or not have the issue to deal with?
Other than that there's not much to talk about.
And save the wear and tear on your soap box. I agree with you about how America has a problem with the human body, but in today's politics and in the spirit of staying in office and not bringing negative attention to yourself, they or she should have had the pic removed.
it wasn't an issue until they made it one and regardless it should only matter to them.
I'd be willing to bet that the only people that have a problem with the photo are a couple of fat cows or even more likely a political opponent who is just using it to create controversy
Fuck - why are WE even discussing it. Surely you and I don't care. We only know about it because the national media made it into a story
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Do you think that her office, if they could, would rather have the issue to deal with or not have the issue to deal with?
Other than that there's not much to talk about.
And save the wear and tear on your soap box. I agree with you about how America has a problem with the human body, but in today's politics and in the spirit of staying in office and not bringing negative attention to yourself, they or she should have had the pic removed.
You agree that America is the one with problem when it comes to body image and in the same breath you say she should have removed the photo. Wow, man you really know how to back up your beliefs you fucking marshmellow.
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You agree that America is the one with problem when it comes to body image and in the same breath you say she should have removed the photo. Wow, man you really know how to back up your beliefs you fucking marshmellow.
You need to learn how to read.
Go back and re-read everything i wrote (from the first post of mine on this thread) and maybe you won't look like a complete idiot next time you post about this.
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it wasn't an issue until they made it one and regardless it should only matter to them.
I'd be willing to bet that the only people that have a problem with the photo are a couple of fat cows or even more likely a political opponent who is just using it to create controversy
Fuck - why are WE even discussing it. Surely you and I don't care. We only know about it because the national media made it into a story
I agree with you, they are probably some fat right wing holy rollers. But none the less, in the arena of Public Opinion laced with the moral majority it's something you are forced to deal with in politics. (the bold is for the reading impaired, not you Strawman) And by that fact, a picture of a mayor like that is not prudent.
And i don't why WE are even discussing it. :)
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That really is a poor political move by that mayor.
this is only news worthy to the extent of laughing about something.
Ozmo,
Have you considered the possibility that she knows the nuances of her own little political pond better than we do? Maybe she believes that she did nothing wrong and sees no reason to cave in to a handful of uptight kooks. Maybe she knows that if she caves in it will be a tacit acknowledgement that she did something wrong - something which she does not believe to be true, and will only make her weaker in the future. Maybe she decided it's best not to cave in everytime someone has a problem with something you've done, etc......
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Ozmo,
Have you considered the possibility that she knows the nuances of her own little political pond better than we do? Maybe she believes that she did nothing wrong and sees no reason to cave in to a handful of uptight kooks. Maybe she knows that if she caves in it will be a tacit acknowledgement that she did something wrong - something which she does not believe to be true, and will only make her weaker in the future. Maybe she decided it's best not to cave in everytime someone has a problem with something you've done, etc......
I'm not suggesting she needs to cave in. She might or might not. I don't know all the details of her situation. I just think that surely if she had to do it all over again, that she would have took the thing off the net. Unless, of course this is a savy deliberate move by her to increase attention and turn it into a positive for re-election....lol, you never know. :)
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You need to learn how to read.
Go back and re-read everything i wrote (from the first post of mine on this thread) and maybe you won't look like a complete idiot next time you post about this.
"I agree with you about how America has a problem with the human body, but in today's politics and in the spirit of staying in office and not bringing negative attention to yourself, they or she should have had the pic removed."
Your implying that she should have to remove the pics for her benfit in a political future. Im saying she shouldnt have to and the people should get over their vestal virgin/dirty whore complex. You come across as backing down from your beliefs is the way to go, (especially when she's 100% in the right), instead of saying, fuck it let the pics stay up.
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"I agree with you about how America has a problem with the human body, but in today's politics and in the spirit of staying in office and not bringing negative attention to yourself, they or she should have had the pic removed."
Your implying that she should have to remove the pics for her benfit in a political future. Im saying she shouldnt have to and the people should get over their vestal virgin/dirty whore complex. You come across as backing down from your beliefs is the way to go, (especially when she's 100% in the right), instead of saying, fuck it let the pics stay up.
I agree she shouldn't have to.
But I'm being practical in regards to achieving what she wants. If America's problem with the human body is the core of her campaign then by all means keep it up and stand by it. My point is that i'm sure it's not the core of her campaign and in the end, it was a mistake to keep it on the internet.
There are many things in this world and in this country that shouldn't be:
Kids shouldn't have to be with out medical insurance, We shouldn't have to be politically correct all that dam time, There shouldn't be so many hyper sensitive people around, people shouldn't get abortions becuase it's wrong, not becuase it's against the law, etc...
But unfortunately, certain things do exist and until we progress as a society we will need to deal with them. and in her case, becuase of the condition of our society, it was a mistake to keep the pic on the net, not that it was in wrong, but that it was politically inept.
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Mayor Loses Job Over MySpace Pics
By Brandon Barker
Feb 27th 2008 1:26PM
On Tuesday, voters in Arlington, Oregon voted 142-139 to recall Mayor Carmen Kontur-Gronquist for the following reasons:
1. Faulty handling of water and sewer problems
2. Closing the town's municipal golf course
3. Poor management of City Council Meetings
4. Posing half-naked on a fire truck
According to The Oregonian, Mayor Kontur-Gronquist garnered "international attention" when she posted a photo of herself in a black bra and panties sitting on a fire truck.
Ms. Kontor-Gronquist, a former personal trainer (red flag), moved to the Arlington area 16 years ago and managed the books for the fire department (red flag). She also lifeguarded at the community pool (red.flag). In 2005, she became Mayor of Arlington's 481 citizens. She had 10 months remaining on her term.
"This community has become divided over this thing," said Alice Courtney, a city councilor who supported the recall. "Some wounds will heal real quickly, and there will be others who will nurse this wound for a long, long time."
I don't know about you all, but that hits me right here.
What's next for Ms. Kontur-Gronquist? Well, she'll be selling signed copies of her notorious photo on eBay, with a portion of proceeds going to the Arlington Volunteer Ambulance Service (red flag). And I'm fine with that, as long as she doesn't get abducted by Satanists.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/02/27/mayor-loses-job-over-myspace-pics/
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Hahahaha. Republicans are pissed off that it was a beautiful woman posing and not a teenage boy in a toilet stall.......Thats what all the fuss is about. ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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Mayor Loses Job Over MySpace Pics
By Brandon Barker
Feb 27th 2008 1:26PM
On Tuesday, voters in Arlington, Oregon voted 142-139 to recall Mayor Carmen Kontur-Gronquist for the following reasons:
1. Faulty handling of water and sewer problems
2. Closing the town's municipal golf course
3. Poor management of City Council Meetings
4. Posing half-naked on a fire truck
According to The Oregonian, Mayor Kontur-Gronquist garnered "international attention" when she posted a photo of herself in a black bra and panties sitting on a fire truck.
Ms. Kontor-Gronquist, a former personal trainer (red flag), moved to the Arlington area 16 years ago and managed the books for the fire department (red flag). She also lifeguarded at the community pool (red.flag). In 2005, she became Mayor of Arlington's 481 citizens. She had 10 months remaining on her term.
"This community has become divided over this thing," said Alice Courtney, a city councilor who supported the recall. "Some wounds will heal real quickly, and there will be others who will nurse this wound for a long, long time."
I don't know about you all, but that hits me right here.
What's next for Ms. Kontur-Gronquist? Well, she'll be selling signed copies of her notorious photo on eBay, with a portion of proceeds going to the Arlington Volunteer Ambulance Service (red flag). And I'm fine with that, as long as she doesn't get abducted by Satanists.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/02/27/mayor-loses-job-over-myspace-pics/
I saw this yesterday and wondered how long it would take you to revive this meaningless thread.