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Title: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: bahrain on January 21, 2008, 08:17:45 AM
PDI federation has been canceled due bankrupticy problems , now all the athletes who were participating in this federation will stay at home  eat pizza and junk food  ... cause already  all of them were suspended from the IFBB.

special massage for sami : what are u gonna do right now ?? u are suspended from the IFBB and the federation that u were participating in has been canceled ?? are u gonna expand your appearances in GAY sites ?? or u will participate in naked sick shows ? or u will try to use all your extra time trying to be a better dad for your family .


Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: emn1964 on January 21, 2008, 08:21:51 AM
PDI federation has been canceled due bankrupticy problems , now all the athletes who were participating in this federation will stay at home  eat pizza and junk food  ... cause already  all of them were suspended from the IFBB.

special massage for sami : what are u gonna do right now ?? u are suspended from the IFBB and the federation that u were participating in has been canceled ?? are u gonna expand your appearances in GAY sites ?? or u will participate in naked sick shows ? or u will try to use all your extra time trying to be a better dad for your family .

he will become a suicide bomber like the rest of his brothers of the sand
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: James Blunt on January 21, 2008, 08:23:01 AM
Sami still has this stupid idea they'd keep Lee out and let him in  ;D
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: emn1964 on January 21, 2008, 08:24:05 AM
Sami still has this stupid idea they'd keep Lee out and let him in  ;D

Hahahahaha..I've said for a long time now that "Sami" will never be allowed in the ifbb.  ever.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Stavios on January 21, 2008, 08:25:09 AM
BREAKING NEWS  ::)
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Lift Studios on January 21, 2008, 08:25:09 AM
special massage for sami : what are u gonna do right now ?? u are suspended from the IFBB and the federation that u were participating in has been canceled ??
You can't be suspended from an organization you were never a part of to begin with.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Go 4 It on January 21, 2008, 08:27:12 AM
I like option A) stay home and eat junk food ;)
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: mass 04 on January 21, 2008, 08:31:16 AM
on a side note Japan just bombed Pearl Harbor.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on January 21, 2008, 08:34:17 AM
You can't be suspended from an organization you were never a part of to begin with.

But I thought Sami could easily beat any top 10 IFBB Olympia competitor on stage any day of the week? ::)
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Ex Coelis on January 21, 2008, 09:12:59 AM
240 won't recover
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Stark on January 21, 2008, 09:18:31 AM
uh bad news for SAMI
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: natural al on January 21, 2008, 09:23:06 AM
You can't be suspended from an organization you were never a part of to begin with.

what would sami have to do at this point to get into the IFBB?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: ironneck on January 21, 2008, 09:25:16 AM
what would sami have to do at this point to get into the IFBB?

dinner for two with joe
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2008, 09:26:45 AM
BREAKING NEWS  ::)

no kidding. 

I guess the European amateurs are now suspended from the IFBB.  How will they make ends meet now?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: natural al on January 21, 2008, 09:33:35 AM
no kidding. 

I guess the European amateurs are now suspended from the IFBB.  How will they make ends meet now?
are you saying all BB'ers don't make big bucks?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2008, 09:36:43 AM
are you saying all BB'ers don't make big bucks?

Yes.

Plus those Euro amateurs were never eligible to compete in the IFBB anyway.  It's like telling me I can never compete in NASCAR because I got a speeding ticket.  I wasn't able to compete in NASCAR before the ticket.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: danielson on January 21, 2008, 09:37:00 AM
Did anyone else notice that when Sami was humble the PDI was doing ok, then he got all cocky and they crumbled. Coincidence?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Stark on January 21, 2008, 09:39:23 AM
Did anyone else notice that when Sami was humble the PDI was doing ok, then he got all cocky and they crumbled. Coincidence?

Excuse me... Sami was humble when excactly?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: danielson on January 21, 2008, 10:00:24 AM
Excuse me... Sami was humble when excactly?

He actually was when PDI started. Now he acts like a gangsta rapper.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 21, 2008, 10:10:22 AM
PDI federation has been canceled due bankrupticy problems , now all the athletes who were participating in this federation will stay at home  eat pizza and junk food  ... cause already  all of them were suspended from the IFBB.

special massage for sami : what are u gonna do right now ?? u are suspended from the IFBB and the federation that u were participating in has been canceled ?? are u gonna expand your appearances in GAY sites ?? or u will participate in naked sick shows ? or u will try to use all your extra time trying to be a better dad for your family  .


 Mmmmmm ... Mr. Bahrain.....looks like u really HATE boy..... but still i will answer ur question ;D ;D

 nice Options u have there,,,  BUT i will take  ( eat JUNK FOOD + PIZZA & spend some more time with the family) i will leave the rest of the Option to ANOTHER NEW SUSPENDED BODYBUIKDERS  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*  i hope u got it ;)

 Ohhh lets get Serious..... i guess i have couple of shows to do:

 Qatar open show
 Kuwait open show
 Norway ( Battle of Giant) 2008
 France Grand prix 2008  (PDI)
 Mr. Universe 2008 UK   (NABBA)

 and  more to come  :D :D :D :D   
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: GetItOnNY on January 21, 2008, 10:14:14 AM
The PDI was basically the "Special Olympics of bodybuilding" ,lol.All you have to do is look at the competitors, Troy Moore, mouthy ugly midget, horrible physique,felon 10x over, Jack London, nice guy, big guy, horible physique.
The PDI was giving away pro cards, the athletes didnt even have to earn there "pro " status. They offered Vinny Galanti a pro, card, without himn ever competing in one of there shows.
How can you have top athletes when anybody who comes along is "given" a pro card? The one thing the NPC has going for them is it is as hard as hell to get a pro card.There are only 3 shows that can qualify you as a "pro" and there are only 8 pro cards given per year.One at the North American, 2 at the USA, and 5 given away at Nationals, thats it!!Only about 5 of the pro cards have any value, because the middle weight and below who turn pro at Nationals, arent going to do anything as a pro anyway.Clifton Torres, perfect example.
Sami is one of the few guys in the PDI with a good physique, but Sammy wouldnt break top 10 at a IFBB pro show, anytime soon.
I am not putting down the guys at the PDI, I am putting down the organization for not raising there standards on what a pro should look like.
If you look at the pics of some of the guys in the PDI, half of them dont look like they even dieted hard, and some of them didnt even look like they tanned or even used pro tan.(I am just going by pics I saw)

Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: danielson on January 21, 2008, 10:24:20 AM
Mmmmmm ... Mr. Bahrain.....looks like u really HATE boy..... but still i will answer ur question ;D ;D

 nice Options u have there,,,  BUT i will take  ( eat JUNK FOOD + PIZZA & spend some more time with the family) i will leave the rest of the Option to ANOTHER NEW SUSPENDED BODYBUIKDERS  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*  i hope u got it ;)

 Ohhh lets get Serious..... i guess i have couple of shows to do:

 Qatar open show
 Kuwait open show
 Norway ( Batter of Giant) 2008
 France Grand prix 2008  (PDI)
 Mr. Universe 2008 UK   (NABBA)

 and  more to come  :D :D :D :D   

Are you going to try to join the IFBB? Those shows you are entering all suck.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on January 21, 2008, 10:29:53 AM
Mmmmmm ... Mr. Bahrain.....looks like u really HATE boy..... but still i will answer ur question ;D ;D

 nice Options u have there,,,  BUT i will take  ( eat JUNK FOOD + PIZZA & spend some more time with the family) i will leave the rest of the Option to ANOTHER NEW SUSPENDED BODYBUIKDERS  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*  i hope u got it ;)

 Ohhh lets get Serious..... i guess i have couple of shows to do:

 Qatar open show
 Kuwait open show
 Norway ( Batter of Giant) 2008
 France Grand prix 2008  (PDI)
 Mr. Universe 2008 UK   (NABBA)

 and  more to come  :D :D :D :D   

What do you do for a living, to make money?  Serious question, so please don't say "I'm a professional bodybuilder"
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2008, 10:30:01 AM
The PDI's biggest flaw was probably a mis-analysis of the personality types of pro bodybuilders.

In any other sport, the pros wouldn't stand for prize money increases smaller than the cost of living, or many of the other things they complain about.  In EVERY other sport, they unionize to protect themselves.  Pro BBers do not.  So they'll continue to get exactly what they get.

IMO, if pro BBers had created a union when the PDI formed, they could have leveraged some longterm amicable agreements which could have helped them in the long run, using the PDI as the other party they could all go to.  instead, they stayed fractured.

We know the company toolbox will attribute it to "PDI sucks!" but it's really the failut of the athletes.  They had someone offering them the leverage to unite and gain all the rights they complain they don't have.  They just weren't smart enough to realize it ;)
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: jaejonna on January 21, 2008, 10:33:15 AM
Didnt see that coming ... ::)

When 'Rhino' is in your top ten, then that might be a 'sign' that your BB federation is a little short on 'talent'
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on January 21, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
Didnt see that coming ... ::)

When 'Rhino' is in your top ten, then that might be a 'sign' that your BB federation is a little short on 'talent'

 ;D
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: sgt. d on January 21, 2008, 11:10:38 AM
Is Rhino making the big bucks now?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: sgt. d on January 21, 2008, 11:14:37 AM
The PDI's biggest flaw was probably a mis-analysis of the personality types of pro bodybuilders.

In any other sport, the pros wouldn't stand for prize money increases smaller than the cost of living, or many of the other things they complain about.  In EVERY other sport, they unionize to protect themselves.  Pro BBers do not.  So they'll continue to get exactly what they get.

IMO, if pro BBers had created a union when the PDI formed, they could have leveraged some longterm amicable agreements which could have helped them in the long run, using the PDI as the other party they could all go to.  instead, they stayed fractured.

We know the company toolbox will attribute it to "PDI sucks!" but it's really the failut of the athletes.  They had someone offering them the leverage to unite and gain all the rights they complain they don't have.  They just weren't smart enough to realize it ;)

Did Wayne pay you?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2008, 11:16:43 AM
Did Wayne pay you?

you are silent for months.  then you log on for a PDI-bash thread.

I wonder whose gimmick you are.  Sorry, gimmicks don't warrant responses, do they?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: G o a t b o y on January 21, 2008, 11:18:30 AM
PDI failed because they didn't have a website!  :D
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: kiwiol on January 21, 2008, 11:23:19 AM
But I thought Sami could easily beat any top 10 IFBB Olympia competitor on stage any day of the week? ::)

Are you saying that the only way Sami can clean up on the Olympia stage is with the aid of a mop and a slop bucket, Panda?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2008, 11:24:31 AM
PDI failed because they didn't have a website!  :D

http://nocbodybuilding.com/tickets.htm

Prayers with Wayne.. I haven't heard from him a bit.  Battling cancer.  Very sad.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Original Sin on January 21, 2008, 11:27:50 AM
A lot of the failure of the PDI rests squarely on the shoulders of "those in the know".

If they didn't approach the boards about how the PDI was going to sink the IFBB and proclaiming DeMillionaire the force behind all the greatness of bodybuilding single handedly the line in the sand wouldn't have been drawn so deep and so fast and it wouldn't have been such a polarized subject.  You guys made it PDI vs IFBB more then anything else, before the rest of us even knew what the PDI was even really about.  You should have been saying the things about the PDI that you are now back then and maybe people would have at least listened, instead you made it a war on here and elsewhere.

Were you singularly handed responsible, NO, but you were a direct cause.  I hope Wayne sends you all his appreciation of your branding of his hard work, you sure deserve something
Now pat yourself on the back, say you did a good job and blame the IFBB spin team entirely while looking at yourself in the mirror.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: sgt. d on January 21, 2008, 11:28:55 AM
you are silent for months.  then you log on for a PDI-bash thread.

I wonder whose gimmick you are.  Sorry, gimmicks don't warrant responses, do they?

You work very hard with PDI. I'm just concerned if you got paid or not. Why all the negative font? ???
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2008, 11:34:32 AM
You work very hard with PDI. I'm just concerned if you got paid or not. Why all the negative font? ???

I'm good.  I appreciate the good wishes, though!
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: MCWAY on January 21, 2008, 11:59:13 AM
The PDI's biggest flaw was probably a mis-analysis of the personality types of pro bodybuilders.

In any other sport, the pros wouldn't stand for prize money increases smaller than the cost of living, or many of the other things they complain about.  In EVERY other sport, they unionize to protect themselves.  Pro BBers do not.  So they'll continue to get exactly what they get.

IMO, if pro BBers had created a union when the PDI formed, they could have leveraged some longterm amicable agreements which could have helped them in the long run, using the PDI as the other party they could all go to.  instead, they stayed fractured.

We know the company toolbox will attribute it to "PDI sucks!" but it's really the failut of the athletes.  They had someone offering them the leverage to unite and gain all the rights they complain they don't have.  They just weren't smart enough to realize it ;)

A union won't work, in my opinion, because the IFBB isn't the one shelling out the big $$$$$$. It's the supplement companies. They're the ones paying the six-figure salaries to the bodybuilders. Since you don't even need to be an IFBB pro to get signed by one, a union has little-to-no leverage. Besides, IFBB pros are quickly replaced. You will recall that 10 of the 13 guys that joined the WBF, years ago, were well-known and successful IFBB pros. When they jumped ship, other established pros (or new ones) stepped in and filled the void. The Matarazzos, Levrones and Yates' replaced the Strydoms, Christians, and M. Quinns of the pro scene.

Remember how MuscleTech started growing into the giant it is today. They initially featured one guy, working his way up to the pro ranks. It was following Greg Kovacs' journey to winning the Canadian Nationals that helped turn MuscleTech from a small company with a mere three supplements into the much loved/hated supplement empire that stands now. Mat Duvall, Idrise Ward-El, Mike Platz, Mike Dragna and Jeramy Freeman are just a few of the guys, who got signed as "amateurs" and won their pro cards and won them while on MuscleTech's payroll.

The same thing happened back in the day with popular amateurs from the early 90s. Dennis Newman and Paul DeMayo had deals before they turned pro (Parillo Performance and MET-Rx, respectively). In fact, some bodybuilders have more financial success chasing their pro cards, than they do once they get them and compete in the IFBB (i.e. Chris Cook). Before they won the USA and Nationals in 1994, Newman and DeMayo were making covers left and right, and appearing on bodybuilding shows like American Muscle on a regular basis. I don't see how a union of IFBB pros stops that from happening.

Let's not forget about the guys who worked their way up the ranks, over the years. Ronnie Coleman turned pro somewhat inconspicuously (winning his class at the Universe), went for years without a contract, then signed with MET-Rx, followed by Weider, and finally by BSN. Of course, he won 8 Olympias and several other pro shows, along the way. But, he wasn't exactly a guy, pegged to dominate the pro ranks as were his contemporaries (Wheeler, Levrone, Ray, etc.).

Same goes for Darrem Charles. Looking at how often we see him in ads in recent years, it's easy to forget that he turned pro in 1992 but didn't get a contract of any sort until 2000 (with Weider) and didn't win his first show until 2002. He worked through the ranks and now, with his MuscleTech contract, he's doing quite well.

You need leverage for a union to be successful. Where such would originate, I don't know. You can be a professional bodybuilder WITHOUT having an IFBB pro card. Even if you have one, you don't have to be successful on the IFBB stage, to rake in the cash. Freeman has been/was with MuscleTech for nearly a decade; and he's hasn't come close to winnng a pro show. Duval has been/was with MuscleTech for about 8 years, with little success on the pro stage.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: gordiano on January 21, 2008, 12:00:27 PM
PDI federation has been canceled due bankrupticy problems , now all the athletes who were participating in this federation will stay at home  eat pizza and junk food  ... cause already  all of them were suspended from the IFBB.

special massage for sami : what are u gonna do right now ?? u are suspended from the IFBB and the federation that u were participating in has been canceled ?? are u gonna expand your appearances in GAY sites ?? or u will participate in naked sick shows ? or u will try to use all your extra time trying to be a better dad for your family .





HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHA!

"Armed with only a thong"
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2008, 12:02:24 PM

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHA!

"Armed with only a thong"

the thong is the shield of the bodybuilding warrior.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: kiwiol on January 21, 2008, 12:05:48 PM
the thong is the shield of the bodybuilding warrior.

Yes, except some of them don't let it get in the way when the other guy is thrusting :-\
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 21, 2008, 08:16:00 PM
Are you going to try to join the IFBB? Those shows you are entering all suck.

 Well....... me and ALI AMINI working on that matter and thats why i am going to the Arnolds next month to meet some people there.... BUT if it didnt work out then the shows been listed is my shows for 2008 with some more on the way waitting for it to be confirmed...but i wont stay at home doing nothing ;D

PANDAEMONIUM :  what i do for living?!!!  mmmm dose it bother u when i say i am a pro bodybuilder?  :D

 well i work with GOYs back home (Bahrain) and its a goverment company (Ministry of the sport) pays well...i work from 7am-2pm then i do my personal training 5days a week 4pm-8pm and it pays well too...so thats how i make my living.... :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Disgusted on January 21, 2008, 08:21:31 PM
http://nocbodybuilding.com/tickets.htm

Prayers with Wayne.. I haven't heard from him a bit.  Battling cancer.  Very sad.

Wayne is hanging in there and doing well last I heard.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Spoony Luv on January 21, 2008, 08:28:37 PM
Are you saying that the only way Sami can clean up on the Olympia stage is with the aid of a mop and a slop bucket, Panda?

haha...
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: G o a t b o y on January 21, 2008, 08:43:50 PM
A lot of the failure of the PDI rests squarely on the shoulders of "those in the know".

If they didn't approach the boards about how the PDI was going to sink the IFBB and proclaiming DeMillionaire the force behind all the greatness of bodybuilding single handedly the line in the sand wouldn't have been drawn so deep and so fast and it wouldn't have been such a polarized subject.  You guys made it PDI vs IFBB more then anything else, before the rest of us even knew what the PDI was even really about.  You should have been saying the things about the PDI that you are now back then and maybe people would have at least listened, instead you made it a war on here and elsewhere.

Were you singularly handed responsible, NO, but you were a direct cause.  I hope Wayne sends you all his appreciation of your branding of his hard work, you sure deserve something
Now pat yourself on the back, say you did a good job and blame the IFBB spin team entirely while looking at yourself in the mirror.


LOL!  Getbig brought down the PDI!  :D


Like the IFBB attack dogs wouldn't have gone into a feeding frenzy anyway even if the initials "PDI" had never been mentined on the boards.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: G o a t b o y on January 21, 2008, 08:45:41 PM
http://nocbodybuilding.com/tickets.htm.


Good job with the "@yahoo" address!



I just ordered my NOC tickets.   When can I expect them to arrive?  :D

Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Hedgehog on January 21, 2008, 09:48:46 PM
PDI federation has been canceled due bankrupticy problems , now all the athletes who were participating in this federation will stay at home  eat pizza and junk food  ... cause already  all of them were suspended from the IFBB.

special massage for sami : what are u gonna do right now ?? u are suspended from the IFBB and the federation that u were participating in has been canceled ?? are u gonna expand your appearances in GAY sites ?? or u will participate in naked sick shows ? or u will try to use all your extra time trying to be a better dad for your family .




What will happen to Jack "London is Burning" London?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: G o a t b o y on January 21, 2008, 09:50:06 PM
What will happen to Jack "London is Burning" London?


He can go back to being a cubicle-jockey who wants everyone to think he's an executive.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on January 21, 2008, 09:53:32 PM

Good job with the "@yahoo" address!


HAHA, just noticed that.  Pathetic.  And "they" wonder why everyone thinks they're a joke.
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: honest on January 21, 2008, 09:56:30 PM
Sami if you do the universe are you in nthe classes or in the pro division
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on January 21, 2008, 10:02:11 PM
Sami if you do the universe are you in nthe classes or in the pro division

I guess you missed the unit on punctuation in high school English class?
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 21, 2008, 10:08:01 PM
Sami if you do the universe are you in nthe classes or in the pro division

  they told me i cant be with the Classes... so it will be with the pro division
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: arce377 on January 21, 2008, 11:57:29 PM
:(
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: njflex on January 22, 2008, 05:47:51 AM
without the proper promotion and shows cancelled how could it survive?the initial hype 2 yrs ago was a spark with some npc class winners given pdi pro status and priest but it was short lived.it's tough for any buissness to get off the ground and survive much less a new bber federation ...
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Hedgehog on January 22, 2008, 06:00:34 AM

He can go back to being a cubicle-jockey who wants everyone to think he's an executive.

What will happen with his At Large Nutrition sponsorship now?  ???
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: toolarge4u on January 22, 2008, 12:56:59 PM
Well....... me and ALI AMINI working on that matter and thats why i am going to the Arnolds next month to meet some people there.... BUT if it didnt work out then the shows been listed is my shows for 2008 with some more on the way waitting for it to be confirmed...but i wont stay at home doing nothing ;D

PANDAEMONIUM :  what i do for living?!!!  mmmm dose it bother u when i say i am a pro bodybuilder?  :D

 well i work with GOYs back home (Bahrain) and its a goverment company (Ministry of the sport) pays well...i work from 7am-2pm then i do my personal training 5days a week 4pm-8pm and it pays well too...so thats how i make my living.... :-* :-* :-*

wish you the best sami...
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: HUGEPECS on January 22, 2008, 03:11:59 PM
Yes, except some of them don't let it get in the way when the other guy is thrusting :-\



hahaha....no wonder it's always soiled
Title: Re: PDI has been canceled for ever
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 22, 2008, 08:26:51 PM
wish you the best sami...

  thanks alot bro  ;)