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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: DirtyDirt on January 22, 2008, 07:27:34 AM
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Just curious, i had this chic ask my why i put myself through 5 -6 grueling workouts a week, diet, take supplements and gear........ honestly, I don't know why, obviously part of the answer is because we like how we look and feel, but in this day and age with so much fake stuff, chance of infections and getting in trouble with the law, is it worth it?
Do we have some shallow, pschological issues that we feel the need to be superior to others???
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So what other drugs are u on ?
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Just curious, i had this chic ask my why i put myself through 5 -6 grueling workouts a week, diet, take supplements and gear........ honestly, I don't know why, obviously part of the answer is because we like how we look and feel, but in this day and age with so much fake stuff, chance of infections and getting in trouble with the law, is it worth it?
Do we have some shallow, pschological issues that we feel the need to be superior to others???
Did you ask her why girls get their boobs done, put on make up, shop for the latest fashion, always obsess of being "skinny"? Anything else I missed?
If you dont know why you are lifting, eating and using gear, you need to have a serious talk with yourself. We all have our own reasons. Mine? I do this because I was an athlete my whole life and when that ended, found I acutally liked bodybuilding and being fit and muscular. The gear, training, food, etc, is just means to accomplish that look and feel.
Would you rather be a couch potato, fat, out of shape? Then you wont even get a girl to talk to you ;)
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Busy B, i had a serious talk with myself and we wound up in a fight...lol
I understand your point and you are right, i guess i should've rephrased, we can still get in "decent" shape, without using gear and taking it to the level of obsession we do. don't get me wrong, i am going to continue doing all of the above, it was just a thought as to why some people are obsessive, some people do it in moderation and some people choose not to do it at all such as the lazy, fat, couch potatoes you speak of. i think i am safe in a assuming there are some dudes on here that do it for their own reasoning, not neccessarily for girls. I"m sure some guys are married and don't plan on cheating and still take it to the next level.
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Just curious, i had this chic ask my why i put myself through 5 -6 grueling workouts a week, diet, take supplements and gear........ honestly, I don't know why, obviously part of the answer is because we like how we look and feel, but in this day and age with so much fake stuff, chance of infections and getting in trouble with the law, is it worth it?
Do we have some shallow, pschological issues that we feel the need to be superior to others???
DirtMcGirt,
Personally, I've freed myself from any delusions in regards to my motivations for lifting, using AAS etc....
I am a strength athlete and I lift because I get euphoria by pushing major weight and moving maxes...
I don't lift for size or for a certain look.
To be quite honest, my size probably deters as many women from being attracted to me as it does draw them to me.
Many women don't like excess muscle on a guy, they'd rather have the "metro" look.
I'm not a bodybuilder and I don't have cut abs.
I do this because I have a love for it and what it feels like to be stronger than your average guy.
There's intrinsic value in that, something you can't make up for with money or looks.
The type of women I tend to be attracted to are more interested in my mind, and the muscle is only a bonus.
That's how it works.
DIV
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Busy B, i had a serious talk with myself and we wound up in a fight...lol
I understand your point and you are right, i guess i should've rephrased, we can still get in "decent" shape, without using gear and taking it to the level of obsession we do. don't get me wrong, i am going to continue doing all of the above, it was just a thought as to why some people are obsessive, some people do it in moderation and some people choose not to do it at all such as the lazy, fat, couch potatoes you speak of. i think i am safe in a assuming there are some dudes on here that do it for their own reasoning, not neccessarily for girls. I"m sure some guys are married and don't plan on cheating and still take it to the next level.
LOL, who won the fight? :D
As for obsession, I believe this is a lifestyle and I could not imagine living any other way. Not just for the physical appearance but how I feel when I am training, eating well, etc is worth more to me than big muscles. I have always been a type of person that puts all he has into something and I admit, bodybuilding can take over your life if you are not careful and have some balance.
As for the girls, shit, never had a problem with the ladies anyway :D but have had some that think I look "gross". To me, they look gross if they are not in shape or at least try to be!
Lots of people live their own "lifestyle" and we humans are such creatures of habit. I am thankful I have been working out since I was a teen and now my friends in their 30's are calling me up asking me advice on how to get in shape. Either their doc told them they need to start exercising or they are just tired of getting fat from inactivity or tired of being depressed, etc.
As we get older, I think it is much harder to take up this lifestyle, hence all the "Resolution" people in the gyms right now.
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LOL, who won the fight? :D
As for obsession, I believe this is a lifestyle and I could not imagine living any other way. Not just for the physical appearance but how I feel when I am training, eating well, etc is worth more to me than big muscles. I have always been a type of person that puts all he has into something and I admit, bodybuilding can take over your life if you are not careful and have some balance.
As for the girls, shit, never had a problem with the ladies anyway :D but have had some that think I look "gross". To me, they look gross if they are not in shape or at least try to be!
Lots of people live their own "lifestyle" and we humans are such creatures of habit. I am thankful I have been working out since I was a teen and now my friends in their 30's are calling me up asking me advice on how to get in shape. Either their doc told them they need to start exercising or they are just tired of getting fat from inactivity or tired of being depressed, etc.
As we get older, I think it is much harder to take up this lifestyle, hence all the "Resolution" people in the gyms right now.
It's easier to maintain if you have been lifting your whole life......
Can't imagine just starting up in your thirties........what a nightmare.
I actually should probably take a week off here or there so my body can adequately heal, glycogen can restore etc.
For me it's just a routine, a feeling and I can't go without it.
I don't get that euphoria from anything else.
DIV
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It's easier to maintain if you have been lifting your whole life......
Can't imagine just starting up in your thirties........what a nightmare.
I actually should probably take a week off here or there so my body can adequately heal, glycogen can restore etc.
For me it's just a routine, a feeling and I can't go without it.
I don't get that euphoria from anything else.
DIV
Agree, and you always come back stronger when you take a week off. I have always been a big advocate of rest! Can't grow or heal if you are constantly breaking down.
But yes, hard to do which is why I do more outside stuff like moderate hikes that week or light bike rides.
Anytime you want to hit Sqaw Peak, let me know Div! I might be winded after 2 minutes, but I can hang...LOL!!
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I agree with the rest. I'm in my 30's and I always take a week off every 12-16 weeks. I come back fresh and really strong after taking that break. It's hard as hell staying out of the gym for a week, but it's worth it.
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I understand this is more then a hobby to some but when it comes to training i like to do push ups around hot girls because it makes me stronger and i feel like a new man with arms the size of most guys heads. Women have the mind power to make me stronger and they feed it to me when i look up at them on my 50th rep and BAM they give me the edge over any man/women/beast/frogs ..
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you guys proved the exact thing i was trying to prove, this working out this is our life. I started a simple thread and the last reply was based on how much rest each individual guy takes. I don't understand, i look in my closet and all i have is baggy crazy colored pants and sweat shirts with the necks cut out. I have problems buying suits (for work) because of the imbalance of my size which society dictates as a normal body type. I'm just really getting fed up with waking up in t he middle of the night to get in some protein. spending countless hours doing cardio and in the gym. If i don't get a shot in on time, i get aggravated and for what is the question i have? believe me, i'm not going to stop doing it but it just make me wonder some times.
Think about it Div, your comment of moving weight being Euphoric, that sounds sick to the average person. if you step back and look at your life as an outsider you can only wonder what people look at you and say, me for one if i eat McD's i hate myself the next day, when you have these fat fucks at the drive thru everyday, what is it that causes this drive, if my veins aren't seen in my abs i immediatly start to revamp the diet, who does this? not a normal human thats who....
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you guys proved the exact thing i was trying to prove, this working out this is our life. I started a simple thread and the last reply was based on how much rest each individual guy takes. I don't understand, i look in my closet and all i have is baggy crazy colored pants and sweat shirts with the necks cut out. I have problems buying suits (for work) because of the imbalance of my size which society dictates as a normal body type. I'm just really getting fed up with waking up in t he middle of the night to get in some protein. spending countless hours doing cardio and in the gym. If i don't get a shot in on time, i get aggravated and for what is the question i have? believe me, i'm not going to stop doing it but it just make me wonder some times.
Think about it Div, your comment of moving weight being Euphoric, that sounds sick to the average person. if you step back and look at your life as an outsider you can only wonder what people look at you and say, me for one if i eat McD's i hate myself the next day, when you have these fat fucks at the drive thru everyday, what is it that causes this drive, if my veins aren't seen in my abs i immediatly start to revamp the diet, who does this? not a normal human thats who....
We should not be the minority and everyone should live a lifestyle of eating small meals more often, exercising. Sad thing is, too many people would rather work themselves to death and their health is secondary.
To sum up your comment about everyone else, we are a society driven by marketing and most people get their nutrition and fitness info from TV. I know at my high school we never had a nutrition class and if you wanted to learn about fitness and living a healthy lifestyle, you had to search out that info in college. Society just does not know better so they look at us as weird.
I look at us as "lucky" we found our passion for looking and FEELING good! Yes, I question it all sometimes too and gets tiresome but look at the alternative, you could be that guy in the McD line wishing you were in shape :-\
By the way dirt, we need to update your workout wardrobe if you still have Zubas and rag tops! Just kidding...
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i don't understand what is wrong with my workout wardrobe, i just got the new hot pink, gray and turquise baggies from crazee wear.. lol I'm only kidding with the wardrobe, wanted to see if you guys were awake...
but i am getting sick of these people that don'trealize the negative effects of white bread and white flour and white rice, these people are so out of touch, if i have egg whites with a couple slices of bacon, people look at me like i'm nuts. or if i eat peanut butter people tell me how fattening it is, it's amazing how out of touch people can be. I see these idiot girls eating weight watcher and lean cuisine tv dinners along with soup and ramin noodles thinking they are dieting. Yogurt loaded with sugars as far as the eye can see. even coming in with packs of brown sugar oatmeal because it is called "weight control"...
I'm fed up with all this nonsense
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i don't understand what is wrong with my workout wardrobe, i just got the new hot pink, gray and turquise baggies from crazee wear.. lol I'm only kidding with the wardrobe, wanted to see if you guys were awake...
but i am getting sick of these people that don'trealize the negative effects of white bread and white flour and white rice, these people are so out of touch, if i have egg whites with a couple slices of bacon, people look at me like i'm nuts. or if i eat peanut butter people tell me how fattening it is, it's amazing how out of touch people can be. I see these idiot girls eating weight watcher and lean cuisine tv dinners along with soup and ramin noodles thinking they are dieting. Yogurt loaded with sugars as far as the eye can see. even coming in with packs of brown sugar oatmeal because it is called "weight control"...
I'm fed up with all this nonsense
Do you have Otomix high tops with puffy socks? Then your wardrobe is complete!
Again, society gets their info on nutrition from the idiot box (tv). Advertising is king with the general public's info on healthy eating, unfortunatly.
Keep up the good fight Dr. Dirt! 8)
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Think about it Div, your comment of moving weight being Euphoric, that sounds sick to the average person. if you step back and look at your life as an outsider you can only wonder what people look at you and say, me for one if i eat McD's i hate myself the next day, when you have these fat fucks at the drive thru everyday, what is it that causes this drive, if my veins aren't seen in my abs i immediatly start to revamp the diet, who does this? not a normal human thats who....
I stopped trying to understand what the average person thinks in terms of fitness.
Euphoria from pushing major weight is like nothing else for me, except maybe rough sex.....but that's another topic.
I don't eat fast food, so I don't have guilt issues.
Have been known to eat a gallon of ice cream at a time during a cheat day though.
I get an idea of what the average person thinks when I train clients, and they are misguided for the most part.
Fad diets, 6-minute abs, ab-rollers...........eh..... :P
They don't realize it takes consistency and hard work to lose fat and harden up until you obligate them to do it.
They have to undergo it in order to understand it.
To do that, they have to give up many of the very comforts that made them fat in the first place.
Most average people aren't willing to do that.
DIV
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Just curious, i had this chic ask my why i put myself through 5 -6 grueling workouts a week, diet, take supplements and gear........ honestly, I don't know why, obviously part of the answer is because we like how we look and feel, but in this day and age with so much fake stuff, chance of infections and getting in trouble with the law, is it worth it?
Do we have some shallow, pschological issues that we feel the need to be superior to others???
Personally speaking, it's best not to ask, lol!
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I've always had a competitive nature about me. I want others to fail and I generally do not like people, in fact, I pretty much hate people. When I look at someone I just see everything that is bad about them.
Errr...sorry just watched There Will Be Blood, good old Daniel Plainview ;)
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I've always had a competitive nature about me. I want others to fail and I generally do not like people, in fact, I pretty much hate people. When I look at someone I just see everything that is bad about them.
Errr...sorry just watched There Will Be Blood, good old Daniel Plainview ;)
i pretty much agree with this exactly...i am extremely competitive and have been all my life because i believe of being an athlete and now with limited activities to portray my competitiveness i turn to lifting wieghts and i compete with everybody to get bigger stronger and faster and better and with it healthier...i have never done gear but i prob will someday ;) i love lifting with buddies cause it pushes me to lift more and harder i love the way i feel working out and afterwards and i live for the fridays and saturdays when its chest day and then that night you go out to the club and your chest is all pumped up or arms if it was arms day and its like i just challenge people to even look at me...i dont know if this makes any sense to anyone else...but this was a great thread...
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i pretty much agree with this exactly...i am extremely competitive and have been all my life because i believe of being an athlete and now with limited activities to portray my competitiveness i turn to lifting wieghts and i compete with everybody to get bigger stronger and faster and better and with it healthier...i have never done gear but i prob will someday ;) i love lifting with buddies cause it pushes me to lift more and harder i love the way i feel working out and afterwards and i live for the fridays and saturdays when its chest day and then that night you go out to the club and your chest is all pumped up or arms if it was arms day and its like i just challenge people to even look at me...i dont know if this makes any sense to anyone else...but this was a great thread...
Do you wear your 3rd grade shit at the clubs to look bigger too? ;D
I remember in the late '90s guys wearing those tight, skin like shirts with tiny sleeves so their arms look twice as big.
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no i dont have any 3rd grade shirts..hahaa but i know what your saying...im usually just in a regular fit button up or sometimes polo but i just love it and everything about it....
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thanks for the kudos on the thread and for the cat that said he hates "everybody", to some degree i follow you. I don't want to say i hate everyone, but in the gym there are a handful of people i'd rather not see. I"m the guy that plugs in my ipod and usually won't stop it till i'm done with my routine, on occassion i'll stop and bs a bit but for the most part it's business as usual. but there are a couple dudes in they gym that irk the hell out of me. i often ask myself, "is today the the someone gets smashed in the face with a 10lber or do i toss a 45 at them?" I will elaborate, and i would love for others to share the people they can't stand in their gyms so i don't feel left out
1st) dude is 5'7 prob 175lbs and lean, he's one of the most balanced guys i've ever seen but is always flexing his abs in the mirror, out of all the people i will call out, he is one that deserves to be a little cocky, but he's way past "a little"
2nd) spanish dude, hair pulled back in pony tale, wears baggys and tank tops, he's been working out 2 years that i know of, he looks like he's never lifted a weight in his life but he wears the belly bag and walks like he's the shizzy, His partner is #3
3rd) spanish dudes partner, this cat is about 160 pounds, in 1 1/2 years i've yet to see him do one movement properly, he was doing incline db presses with 25s and struggling but yet walks around and shows others how to train "properly"
4th) he's actually a friend, the guy does cardio for days, trains heavy, takes every ounce of gear and gh imaginable, says he diets but his body always looks the same. but yet he tells me to get certain gear because "it works great", how does he know it's great? his body always looks the same.
5th) the clearly gay guy that's always giving me goo goo eyes, i can't talk about him further because i get grossed out.
6th) the women that spend hours upon hours on bikes and doing aerobics but won't lift a weight because they don't want to "get muscular", they'll go home and eat 6lbs of fruit and "fat free cake"
Now i feel better i vented...
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Why do we do it?? Why indeed...
I think the answer, as many of you have yet to see, yet to realize, changes over time.
I picked up my first weight at age 13. Dad bought me the old red, white and blue plastic-coated cement weights, with the skinny little bar and the huge metal bar clamps, and a flat bench. I was hooked the minute I touched it. For about 3 years, it probably was about trying to be competitive with other kids my age in the neighborhood.
During highschool, I lifted for football. But just after my sophomore year, while training with weights in the off-season, I joined a real gym for the first time. Hard core, too, for the time (1980). Saw the photos on the walls...Arnold...Padilla ...Mentzer...Sergio...Ro y Calender...Bertil Fox..I just went nuts for the whole thing. Met alot of really serious lifters, got completely immersed in it, so much so that I decided not to play football for the last 2 years of highschool, and to just concentrate on lifting. At age 16, I was clearly set in the "bodybuilding lifestyle." The diet, frequent meals, the training, the proper rest. And at this point my focus switched entirely internal. I was no longer competitive with anyone but myself. And some interesting things happened. My grades, especially, went through the roof. I applied the same principles to school that I applied to lifting. My weight was probably around 200 by senior year (5' 9")
College was tough. Premed in a very competitive program. About 135 students started, and after 4 years only about 20 would get into med school. But I was still able to lift. I supplemented the school's gym with my own weights that I brought up there with me. Every school break I went back home to my original gym, hooked up with my old lifting buddies. Again, lifting kept me focused, scheduled and regimented. I was either in the library or the gym. Didn't drink, didn't do any drugs, although it was all around me, but my friends respected me for it.
Pretty much the same all through med school. Lifting kept me focused, gave me energy. I ran the med school's gym, and actually created an awesome gym right in the basement of the dormitory. We called it "the best kept secret on the East Side." Stacked it out with TK Star, Polaris, everything. I had an unlimited student activity budget at my disposal. Funny thing is that everyone told me that once I started med school I'd never be able to find the time to lift again. It was exactly the opposite, though. I never lifted so much in my life! I met fellow getbigger bravo there, and we became training partners. That's around the time I first decided to try anabolics. I was age 24. I was now 245 lbs. I read everything about AAS and endocrinology I could get my hands on. Developed my first truly "scientific" approach to bodybuilding.
Next, Residency. One year of general surgery, four years of orthopaedic surgery. Joined Mid City Gym in NYC, and went over the top. Met IFBB pro's, met a guy who would become my powerlifting mentor, Paul "Zazu" Bruno, and WWF guys, etc. Still lifted with bravo, and was now beyond balls-to-the-wall. Only goal at that point was to be a freak. Not for chicks, not for anyone...just for me. The feeling of large tight muscles, the feeling of cold rough steel in your hands, the way the fu*king bar bends when your stacking it out at the squat or the flat bench. Pure, unadulterated euphoria. That's what it was all about. Did some more cycles, too, at this time. I was now age 28. I was now 265 lbs.
Thirties were rough, though. Fellowship (specialty) training. Marriage. Two kids. Wife with severe postpartum depression. Freaked out anytime I wasn't home. Long hours at work. Stressful work. I found a gym close to an office I was at one day a week, so I was still able to train, but it was minimal. Those were cold, dark days brothers. I saw my weight gradually dwindle down to about 200 lbs. Still managed to keep a clean diet, and still managed to hang on as best I could. During that time, I lifted purely to survive.
Then at around age 38, things settled down a bit. I found a gym that opens at 4:30am, so now I could finally lift before work. And so I began to slowly reclaim my life. Reclaim who I was. Reclaim who I am. Slowly put together a gym in my house, too. Got back to about four days a week training. Back on track. Carving out a little time just for myself.
Then cancer struck.
Gotta tell ya. I endured 10 surgeries, eight of them in one day. Still, I only missed about 1 week of training. Just enough to not have my incisions tear open. I think that's when it really struck me as to how important lifting weights had become for me. In fact, it IS me. As soon as I was healed up, I started a return to anabolics. I was age 40. I weighed about 210 lbs.
So here I am. 43 years old. Lifting 7 days a week. 230 lbs. I feel fu*king great. Diet is spot-on. I have r e t u r n e d. And I've said this here before. The one thread, the one common variable, that has allowed me to continually keep it all together at times that most others would crumple and fall, has been my training.
So why do we do it, you ask?
Because we have to.
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Wow, good stuff Freak!
We should make a mini series based on that post...
Can I ask, what kind of cancer? Glad to have ya' here bro... ;)
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I was getting ready to write my 2 cents on why I do it....then I read Freak's note and not only can I not agree more with him but I have very little to add....I tip my hat to you sir
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Hey freak bro thats some good shit you should write a book or something...but really glad you are here with us and thanks for the inspiration and god bless bro...
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Wow, good stuff Freak!
We should make a mini series based on that post...
Can I ask, what kind of cancer? Glad to have ya' here bro... ;)
The cancer was melanoma. I had 4 lesions diagnosed at the same time. One was a level 4, and one was a level 3. The level 4 lesion gave me a 20% chance of having metastatic disease, so I required lymph node samplings. In one day I had four wide surgical excisions ( two on my back, plus abdomen and shoulder ) and lymph nodes surgically removed from both groins and both armpits. The nodes were negative for mets. That was some serious pain there for a few days, I'll tell you that. Worse, though, was the w a i t i n g . Three weeks to learn whether or not I would need chemo. Five-year survival for metatstatic melanoma is only about 40%.
If any of you have moles that you have ever wondered about, I would seriously consider getting them checked out. Two weeks after my surgeries, I was in the gym and noticed a melanoma on a guy's calf region and urged him to have it removed. His story became very similar to mine. You spend your life trying to be healthy, and then your damn skin tries to kill you! Go figure.
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The cancer was melanoma. I had 4 lesions diagnosed at the same time. One was a level 4, and one was a level 3. The level 4 lesion gave me a 20% chance of having metastatic disease, so I required lymph node samplings. In one day I had four wide surgical excisions ( two on my back, plus abdomen and shoulder ) and lymph nodes surgically removed from both groins and both armpits. The nodes were negative for mets. That was some serious pain there for a few days, I'll tell you that. Worse, though, was the w a i t i n g . Three weeks to learn whether or not I would need chemo. Five-year survival for metatstatic melanoma is only about 40%.
If any of you have moles that you have ever wondered about, I would seriously consider getting them checked out. Two weeks after my surgeries, I was in the gym and noticed a melanoma on a guy's calf region and urged him to have it removed. His story became very similar to mine. You spend your life trying to be healthy, and then your damn skin tries to kill you! Go figure.
Wow, tough times man, makes you appriciate life in a whole new manor I bet. My mom had a similar experince. She also has a type of skin cancer where she lost her pigment (?)(really pale) and too much sunlight can make here sick. Which makes visiting Az kinda hard on her unless it is winter.
Now, I am on the lookout for anything resembling a mole. :-[
I had one removed right by my ear but all came back negative, whew!!
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The cancer was melanoma. I had 4 lesions diagnosed at the same time. One was a level 4, and one was a level 3. The level 4 lesion gave me a 20% chance of having metastatic disease, so I required lymph node samplings. In one day I had four wide surgical excisions ( two on my back, plus abdomen and shoulder ) and lymph nodes surgically removed from both groins and both armpits. The nodes were negative for mets. That was some serious pain there for a few days, I'll tell you that. Worse, though, was the w a i t i n g . Three weeks to learn whether or not I would need chemo. Five-year survival for metatstatic melanoma is only about 40%.
If any of you have moles that you have ever wondered about, I would seriously consider getting them checked out. Two weeks after my surgeries, I was in the gym and noticed a melanoma on a guy's calf region and urged him to have it removed. His story became very similar to mine. You spend your life trying to be healthy, and then your damn skin tries to kill you! Go figure.
Sounds similar to what happened to me last year, although not quite as rough as yours. I had two level 3's on my back that were removed, my scars are still healing from that heh.
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freak that was great, i guess you are right, us lifters and "juicers" are a certain breed of man.... I am familiar with mid city gym, probably one of the last hardcore gyms in NYC.... be well..
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Why do we do it?? Why indeed...
I think the answer, as many of you have yet to see, yet to realize, changes over time.
I picked up my first weight at age 13. Dad bought me the old red, white and blue plastic-coated cement weights, with the skinny little bar and the huge metal bar clamps, and a flat bench. I was hooked the minute I touched it. For about 3 years, it probably was about trying to be competitive with other kids my age in the neighborhood.
During highschool, I lifted for football. But just after my sophomore year, while training with weights in the off-season, I joined a real gym for the first time. Hard core, too, for the time (1980). Saw the photos on the walls...Arnold...Padilla ...Mentzer...Sergio...Ro y Calender...Bertil Fox..I just went nuts for the whole thing. Met alot of really serious lifters, got completely immersed in it, so much so that I decided not to play football for the last 2 years of highschool, and to just concentrate on lifting. At age 16, I was clearly set in the "bodybuilding lifestyle." The diet, frequent meals, the training, the proper rest. And at this point my focus switched entirely internal. I was no longer competitive with anyone but myself. And some interesting things happened. My grades, especially, went through the roof. I applied the same principles to school that I applied to lifting. My weight was probably around 200 by senior year (5' 9")
College was tough. Premed in a very competitive program. About 135 students started, and after 4 years only about 20 would get into med school. But I was still able to lift. I supplemented the school's gym with my own weights that I brought up there with me. Every school break I went back home to my original gym, hooked up with my old lifting buddies. Again, lifting kept me focused, scheduled and regimented. I was either in the library or the gym. Didn't drink, didn't do any drugs, although it was all around me, but my friends respected me for it.
Pretty much the same all through med school. Lifting kept me focused, gave me energy. I ran the med school's gym, and actually created an awesome gym right in the basement of the dormitory. We called it "the best kept secret on the East Side." Stacked it out with TK Star, Polaris, everything. I had an unlimited student activity budget at my disposal. Funny thing is that everyone told me that once I started med school I'd never be able to find the time to lift again. It was exactly the opposite, though. I never lifted so much in my life! I met fellow getbigger bravo there, and we became training partners. That's around the time I first decided to try anabolics. I was age 24. I was now 245 lbs. I read everything about AAS and endocrinology I could get my hands on. Developed my first truly "scientific" approach to bodybuilding.
Next, Residency. One year of general surgery, four years of orthopaedic surgery. Joined Mid City Gym in NYC, and went over the top. Met IFBB pro's, met a guy who would become my powerlifting mentor, Paul "Zazu" Bruno, and WWF guys, etc. Still lifted with bravo, and was now beyond balls-to-the-wall. Only goal at that point was to be a freak. Not for chicks, not for anyone...just for me. The feeling of large tight muscles, the feeling of cold rough steel in your hands, the way the fu*king bar bends when your stacking it out at the squat or the flat bench. Pure, unadulterated euphoria. That's what it was all about. Did some more cycles, too, at this time. I was now age 28. I was now 265 lbs.
Thirties were rough, though. Fellowship (specialty) training. Marriage. Two kids. Wife with severe postpartum depression. Freaked out anytime I wasn't home. Long hours at work. Stressful work. I found a gym close to an office I was at one day a week, so I was still able to train, but it was minimal. Those were cold, dark days brothers. I saw my weight gradually dwindle down to about 200 lbs. Still managed to keep a clean diet, and still managed to hang on as best I could. During that time, I lifted purely to survive.
Then at around age 38, things settled down a bit. I found a gym that opens at 4:30am, so now I could finally lift before work. And so I began to slowly reclaim my life. Reclaim who I was. Reclaim who I am. Slowly put together a gym in my house, too. Got back to about four days a week training. Back on track. Carving out a little time just for myself.
Then cancer struck.
Gotta tell ya. I endured 10 surgeries, eight of them in one day. Still, I only missed about 1 week of training. Just enough to not have my incisions tear open. I think that's when it really struck me as to how important lifting weights had become for me. In fact, it IS me. As soon as I was healed up, I started a return to anabolics. I was age 40. I weighed about 210 lbs.
So here I am. 43 years old. Lifting 7 days a week. 230 lbs. I feel fu*king great. Diet is spot-on. I have r e t u r n e d. And I've said this here before. The one thread, the one common variable, that has allowed me to continually keep it all together at times that most others would crumple and fall, has been my training.
So why do we do it, you ask?
Because we have to.
Now that's a story, Freaker.
Sorry to hear about your "dark" thirties.
Whatever happened with your marriage?
Isn't it amazing what people do for a relationship?
It's stories like yours that make me reluctant to settle down.
Women.
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Now that's a story, Freaker.
Sorry to hear about your "dark" thirties.
Whatever happened with your marriage?
Isn't it amazing what people do for a relationship?
It's stories like yours that make me reluctant to settle down.
Women.
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What can you do? Marriage is a commitment, and we take the good with the bad. There was no way of knowing postpartum depression would ever be a factor, unfortunately, until we had our first child.
My daughter had very severe colic, and those times were just awful. Non-stop screaming up to 18 hours per day. We were sleeping 1-2 hours per night for almost a year. I also failed to recognize it for what it was--why wouldn't she be depressed? But it was a side of her I'd never seen before, and I seemed to handle it alot better. It wasn't until we had our second (and last!) that it became clear. He didn't have colic, slept through the night--the perfect baby. But my wife was even 10x worse. At points even floridly psychotic, to the point where I was actually terrified to leave the house for work in the morning or in the middle of the night because I feared she would hurt them or herself.
But this time I got her right to a good psychiatrist, and we got it under control, and then she just slowly got better and better, but it took time. I must say, that now things really are just great. My wife is truly my soul mate, and I couldn't imagine going through life without her.
but, yes, marriage is not easy, and it's no fairytale for sure. It takes a tremendous amount of work and sacrifice. Same with being a dad. It's just not about you anymore.
Except when you descend those stairs back down to the gym... ;D
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but, yes, marriage is not easy, and it's no fairytale for sure. It takes a tremendous amount of work and sacrifice. Same with being a dad. It's just not about you anymore.
Except when you descend those stairs back down to the gym... ;D
Yupper........ Women get kind of Flakey on us during and after the pregnancy thing is a major understatement.
Being a steroid user actually helps understand their little hormonal rollercoaser.... ;D
Hell, thats why juicers score more chicks, Many women dont even LIKE the BBer look.
A load of Drol, Deca and Test is as close to PMS as we'll ever get..
Marriage takes a lot of understanding and compromise. Its a team effort, or should be to work IMO.
Ya still need to respect the others own private pursuits, and make time for them to do taht; but the children come #1 and there is a lot of firefighting and spur of the moment changes.
Even A simple set up of home equipment for lifting goes a LONG way to staying in the game.
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Busy B, i had a serious talk with myself and we wound up in a fight...lol
I understand your point and you are right, i guess i should've rephrased, we can still get in "decent" shape, without using gear and taking it to the level of obsession we do. don't get me wrong, i am going to continue doing all of the above, it was just a thought as to why some people are obsessive, some people do it in moderation and some people choose not to do it at all such as the lazy, fat, couch potatoes you speak of. i think i am safe in a assuming there are some dudes on here that do it for their own reasoning, not neccessarily for girls. I"m sure some guys are married and don't plan on cheating and still take it to the next level.
i didn't read every post so i apologize if what i'm about to say has been said already...too busy to read all these replies these days.
not once in my life have i lifted weights or dieted for pussy. mainly because having a good body will only get a girl to "look" at you, you still must have a good head on your shoulders and speak the right "game" to be banging women left and right. i've seen fat dudes who get more ass than a toilet seat and they just know how to speak the game. i think guys who train solely for women are insecure and have no personality, just like a girl who gets implants. it's all for attention because they can't offer anything else...just my opinion. how many times have you and your friends said "look at the tits on that chick over there"? now replace "tits" with "brains"...won't happen ever.
i lift heavy and used AAS because i wanted to push my body as far as humanly possible not only physically, but also mentally(AAS also affect you mentally). the looks and comments from women are just a bonus and a boring one at that. i have found that women who obsess over a man's body are usually not worth a relationship, just a fuck and it's usually not that great. you know you weren't the first guy she went after for muscle right?...lol...sure there are times when a girl hit on me because of looks or sheer size compared to the average joe but that's not my thing, i want an intelligent women who i can have an in depth convo with. not a flake with fake tits and 5 pounds of makeup.
strength training is a method to push yourself and the only person holding you back is YOU. if you fail at a powerlifting or bodybuilding event it is because YOU didn't prepare enough for it, you can't blame a team because there is only you. that is what i like about it, it's all YOU!
it's all about pushing yourself and AAS will help you push yourself even more.
"It's a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength his body is capable of" - Socrates
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The cancer was melanoma. I had 4 lesions diagnosed at the same time. One was a level 4, and one was a level 3. The level 4 lesion gave me a 20% chance of having metastatic disease, so I required lymph node samplings. In one day I had four wide surgical excisions ( two on my back, plus abdomen and shoulder ) and lymph nodes surgically removed from both groins and both armpits. The nodes were negative for mets. That was some serious pain there for a few days, I'll tell you that. Worse, though, was the w a i t i n g . Three weeks to learn whether or not I would need chemo. Five-year survival for metatstatic melanoma is only about 40%.
If any of you have moles that you have ever wondered about, I would seriously consider getting them checked out. Two weeks after my surgeries, I was in the gym and noticed a melanoma on a guy's calf region and urged him to have it removed. His story became very similar to mine. You spend your life trying to be healthy, and then your damn skin tries to kill you! Go figure.
Freak, sorry to hear about this. Your story is very inspiring.
I was going to inquire about your thoughts as to if the AAS increased the cancer growth rate, but with it being melanoma I don't think the AAS played a role. Melanoma only accounts for about 4% of skin cancer. Were you out in the sun a lot? Did you tan artificially?
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What can you do? Marriage is a commitment, and we take the good with the bad. There was no way of knowing postpartum depression would ever be a factor, unfortunately, until we had our first child.
My daughter had very severe colic, and those times were just awful. Non-stop screaming up to 18 hours per day. We were sleeping 1-2 hours per night for almost a year. I also failed to recognize it for what it was--why wouldn't she be depressed? But it was a side of her I'd never seen before, and I seemed to handle it alot better. It wasn't until we had our second (and last!) that it became clear. He didn't have colic, slept through the night--the perfect baby. But my wife was even 10x worse. At points even floridly psychotic, to the point where I was actually terrified to leave the house for work in the morning or in the middle of the night because I feared she would hurt them or herself.
But this time I got her right to a good psychiatrist, and we got it under control, and then she just slowly got better and better, but it took time. I must say, that now things really are just great. My wife is truly my soul mate, and I couldn't imagine going through life without her.
but, yes, marriage is not easy, and it's no fairytale for sure. It takes a tremendous amount of work and sacrifice. Same with being a dad. It's just not about you anymore.
Except when you descend those stairs back down to the gym... ;D
I'm sure it was all worth it, Freaker.
You being a doctor probably helped ten fold during this ordeal.
Floridly psychotic? That's rough......
How do you trust someone after an experience like that?
This is your wife, after all.
It must have shaken your confidence to see her fall so far.
i didn't read every post so i apologize if what i'm about to say has been said already...too busy to read all these replies these days.
not once in my life have i lifted weights or dieted for pussy. mainly because having a good body will only get a girl to "look" at you, you still must have a good head on your shoulders and speak the right "game" to be banging women left and right. i've seen fat dudes who get more ass than a toilet seat and they just know how to speak the game. i think guys who train solely for women are insecure and have no personality, just like a girl who gets implants. it's all for attention because they can't offer anything else...just my opinion. how many times have you and your friends said "look at the tits on that chick over there"? now replace "tits" with "brains"...won't happen ever.
i lift heavy and used AAS because i wanted to push my body as far as humanly possible not only physically, but also mentally(AAS also affect you mentally). the looks and comments from women are just a bonus and a boring one at that. i have found that women who obsess over a man's body are usually not worth a relationship, just a fuck and it's usually not that great. you know you weren't the first guy she went after for muscle right?...lol...sure there are times when a girl hit on me because of looks or sheer size compared to the average joe but that's not my thing, i want an intelligent women who i can have an in depth convo with. not a flake with fake tits and 5 pounds of makeup.
strength training is a method to push yourself and the only person holding you back is YOU. if you fail at a powerlifting or bodybuilding event it is because YOU didn't prepare enough for it, you can't blame a team because there is only you. that is what i like about it, it's all YOU!
it's all about pushing yourself and AAS will help you push yourself even more.
^Agreed.
Women who go after muscle have done it before and will do it again.
As bad as it sounds, I've found that I have to prove myself more to an intelligent woman so she doesn't make assumptions about me than with your average gym chick.
In some ways being a lifter can work against you with women, if you go for intelligent ones.
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Freak, sorry to hear about this. Your story is very inspiring.
I was going to inquire about your thoughts as to if the AAS increased the cancer growth rate, but with it being melanoma I don't think the AAS played a role. Melanoma only accounts for about 4% of skin cancer. Were you out in the sun a lot? Did you tan artificially?
Thanks, England.
I wasn't much of a sun worshipper, but I did "lay out" on occasion, and infrequently used tanning beds. Heck, I was a bodybuilder after all! I am extremely fair-skinned (Northern Italian) with very light blue eyes--the poster child for melanoma, I suppose.
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I'm sure it was all worth it, Freaker.
You being a doctor probably helped ten fold during this ordeal.
Floridly psychotic? That's rough......
How do you trust someone after an experience like that?
This is your wife, after all.
It must have shaken your confidence to see her fall so far.
DIV
I can't say being a doctor was really helpful, actually. As a surgeon, my hours are very unpredictable (you don't go home until the work is all done). This made things very hard, on top of being on call, where I could be gone for 36 hours at a time.
Trust and confidence really weren't shaken too much. I knew she couldn't control it, but yes, it was very, very frightening. We also didn't have any help. Both of us were quite far from any of our family. It was very isolating.
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Thanks, England.
I wasn't much of a sun worshipper, but I did "lay out" on occasion, and infrequently used tanning beds. Heck, I was a bodybuilder after all! I am extremely fair-skinned (Northern Italian) with very light blue eyes--the poster child for melanoma, I suppose.
Do you recommend getting all raised moles removed? I have a few. A while back I had 2 removed but the derm was a real asshole, could tell he wasn't to enthusiastic to do the procedure probably because he wasn't going to make much off it.
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Do you recommend getting all raised moles removed? I have a few. A while back I had 2 removed but the derm was a real asshole, could tell he wasn't to enthusiastic to do the procedure probably because he wasn't going to make much off it.
No, I don't recommend getting all moles removed. My threshold is lower because of my history, but I have at least 100 moles remaining on my body.
In general, moles that you are aware of that have undergone a change in size, shape or color are the greatest indicators of possible malignant transformation. Also, a family history of melanoma is very important. Both of my brothers were checked after mine were discovered, and one had three level 1 melanomas ("melanoma in situ") removed.
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Agree! good post. Could not agree more. Funny but Freak started training serious before me but the peaks and valleys have happened at similar ages in my life also.
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in response to the comment made about women or people in general thinking you have less brains because you are a "muscle head", that goes the same for certain accents, i was born and raised in Brooklyn, no matter how hard i try to downplay my accent it is still very noticable, in turn people assume I have a lower IQ because of the way I speak.
I guess we all have our stereotypes right....
asians can't drive
polish are dumb
italians are in the mafia
Irish love to drink
juice heads can't get a boner ...I love when a chick tells me that....how uneducated they are...lol
etc etc etc..........
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in response to the comment made about women or people in general thinking you have less brains because you are a "muscle head", that goes the same for certain accents, i was born and raised in Brooklyn, no matter how hard i try to downplay my accent it is still very noticable, in turn people assume I have a lower IQ because of the way I speak.
I guess we all have our stereotypes right....
asians can't drive
polish are dumb
italians are in the mafia
Irish love to drink
juice heads can't get a boner ...I love when a chick tells me that....how uneducated they are...lol
etc etc etc..........
Dude, My wife is Asian AND YOU BETTER PRAY SHE NEVER GETS A D.L.!!!
OH, AND MY ITALIANO FREINDS.........
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Yo dirty why are you so racist for? Damn that last post of yours should be taking down..
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Yo dirty why are you so racist for? Damn that last post of yours should be taking down..
The irony didnt strike you? He was being comical.... If that insults you I feel bad for you.
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Yo dirty why are you so racist for? Damn that last post of yours should be taking down..
Yea, exactly, he was just being sarcastic.
And yes, Asian women ARE the worst drivers ever. My ex gf from Burma almost killed me 5 times =)
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Yea, exactly, he was just being sarcastic.
And yes, Asian women ARE the worst drivers ever. My ex gf from Burma almost killed me 5 times =)
Hey, Burma is quite the place man.... Thailachek and Ma Sai are a trip to be sure...
They drive like SHIT and they know it... I get all the stories from her friends too,
of like PPL chasing them in traffic wanting to kill them... ;D
Hey, some of the village girls from Cambodia and Lao cant even walk safely on a sidewalk...
Like they need a car?
Go drive in Bangkok sumtime on a motorbike for a thrill.
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Yea, exactly, he was just being sarcastic.
RIGHT! I am a WOP and in the mafia and did not take offense.
So who has a problem with that? 8) Fah-ghet about it!!
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I am not in the mob and i know 3 chinky eye girls who drive great .I also know 2 brothers who are cool .I guess..And i know 7 polish girls that are smart ..They all work in nice massage places and ALL give great hand-jobs. I busted nuts with all of them so i know there smart at what they do.
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well this thread took a turn off topic pretty quick...you guys suck...i wanted to read some more inspiring shit from people like freak
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Well that's GB for you, i was just making a point but yes this board did take a turn for the worse. I am more interested with the dudes or chics that aggravate the hell out of you in the gym for doing stupid crap, should this be it's own subject is the question???
Bringiton............... YOU ARE A MORON!!!! Let me catch you in the street, you better stop IMing me, you think i don't remember who you are, you are the sick twisted bastard that wrote the thread about watching your sister have sex and sniffing her panties........I wish i would've saved that post so people could see the sick people this board attracts.........who in the world would want to wathc their sister having sex and now i remember you saying how your girls panties had white stuff all over them that you would lick. The dudes on this boards swore it was man juice you were licking because your girl was banging someone else................you big FREAK!!!
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i was born and raised in Brooklyn, no matter how hard i try to downplay my accent it is still very noticable, in turn people assume I have a lower IQ because of the way I speak.
I found this to be true,as well. I was born in Brooklyn and then we moved to Staten Island (this is even before the Verrazzano bridge was built). A herd of Italians escaping to the "country."
Anyway, when I got to college (in Connecticut), I realized my accent made me sound rather unintelligent. I literally had to make a conscious effort to change the way I speak, to as to sound more intelligent. There are some words I had to simply drop from my vocabulary altogether (for example "talk", which came out as "tawk". Now, I just say "speak". Oh yeah, and I've stopped calling everyone a "jerkoff".) ;D
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I found this to be true,as well. I was born in Brooklyn and then we moved to Staten Island (this is even before the Verrazzano bridge was built). A herd of Italians escaping to the "country."
Anyway, when I got to college (in Connecticut), I realized my accent made me sound rather unintelligent. I literally had to make a conscious effort to change the way I speak, to as to sound more intelligent. There are some words I had to simply drop from my vocabulary altogether (for example "talk", which came out as "tawk". Now, I just say "speak". Oh yeah, and I've stopped calling everyone a "jerkoff".) ;D
hahaha, try growing up in the south!
I know I have a southern accent and if I let loose it can get pretty bad, lol! I don't mind the accent to an extent...no one can help where they're from...but I can't stand sounding like an uneducated idiot, which many people in the south often sound like.
Any time there is some news worthy story that makes national news in the south, such as a huge tornado or what not, I hate it when they pick the dumbest sounding red neck to interview...I cringe all over when I hear it, lol!
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An accent has NO bearing on intelligence...
Nor does education often.... ;D
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Arizona is one big melting pot.
Tons of people from all over the US move here so I get to hear all the accents. Texans, south, New York, Boston, Wisconsin/Minnesota....all of them crack me up!
Being from Cali originally, no accent, just a lot of slang. Dude, man, awesome, etc...
Funny when someone's accent may be hidden until they get a little buzzed or a little fired up! :D
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I dont know what part of Britton they come from, but Ive met some Englishmen who I cant understand but only about every 5th word.... ANd its not that they was drunk.
Some New Zelanders too.
When my wife 1st arrived in the States, she heard Inner city jabber-Jive the first few times and looked all puzzled... She'd ask me in a wisper "What language they speak". ;D
My reply - That's English.... Her expression - ???. Priceless.
SHe's like WTF they grew up here and I speak better English? Pretty sad.
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Busy B you are 100% correct, i run a sales dept with about 50+ guys and i'm not the best public speaker, sometimes i'm comfortable and i can go on for hours, sometimes i hold a meeting and the VP will walk in and a get a bit nervous and the Brooklyn comes out like fireworks and the same goes for when i'm pissed off and begin to yell, i can't even understand what i'm saying.
What is funny and i wonder if others agree, when you watch a movie or show and actors try to artificially put on an accent, it can be picked out immediately. The Movie Donnie Brasco, although it was a brilliant movie, the accents were horrible same goes for smoking aces that was the baddest of the bad...
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Busy B you are 100% correct, i run a sales dept with about 50+ guys and i'm not the best public speaker, sometimes i'm comfortable and i can go on for hours, sometimes i hold a meeting and the VP will walk in and a get a bit nervous and the Brooklyn comes out like fireworks and the same goes for when i'm pissed off and begin to yell, i can't even understand what i'm saying.
What is funny and i wonder if others agree, when you watch a movie or show and actors try to artificially put on an accent, it can be picked out immediately. The Movie Donnie Brasco, although it was a brilliant movie, the accents were horrible same goes for smoking aces that was the baddest of the bad...
I liked the accents in "The Departed." Some of them were not all that bad but some were way over the top.
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Would anyone say that aas has made them more effective from a mental standpoint?
Has it increased your drive and pushed you to succeed?
Very interested.
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Would anyone say that aas has made them more effective from a mental standpoint?
Has it increased your drive and pushed you to succeed?
Very interested.
No, but I would say my drive is what lead me to originaly use AAS.
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for me personally i've only been working out again for the last year and a half, in that time i dropped about 40lbs and gained some muscle, so i guess from my personal standpoint, the way i look has made me a more confident person, especially when peole notice and come over and squeeze my arm or grab my trap, it really is a confidence booster...
holding meetings with 50 - 60 people, standing in front of the room feeling like a fat out of shape pig or now, i'll choose the latter...
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Would anyone say that aas has made them more effective from a mental standpoint?
Has it increased your drive and pushed you to succeed?
Very interested.
No doubt, low test levels can have adverse effects on your mental well being. Minor depression, low sex drive, etc can all mess with your head. I think clearer, make better decisions, etc when on...
I don't think AAS can push you to succeed, just another tool in the arsenal. We all have that inner drive to be better than we genetically can be.
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No doubt, low test levels can have adverse effects on your mental well being. Minor depression, low sex drive, etc can all mess with your head. I think clearer, make better decisions, etc when on...
I don't think AAS can push you to succeed, just another tool in the arsenal. We all have that inner drive to be better than we genetically can be.
for me personally i've only been working out again for the last year and a half, in that time i dropped about 40lbs and gained some muscle, so i guess from my personal standpoint, the way i look has made me a more confident person, especially when peole notice and come over and squeeze my arm or grab my trap, it really is a confidence booster...
holding meetings with 50 - 60 people, standing in front of the room feeling like a fat out of shape pig or now, i'll choose the latter...
No, but I would say my drive is what lead me to originaly use AAS.
These are all good responses.
I must agree that it obviously cannot create something inside you, only amplify what is there already.
I can definitely see the confidence you gain having an enormous effect on your life though.
When I was BBing I felt a lot more confident in everything I did even though I felt like I wasnt strong enough. Now I feel strong but my appearance to the world is much different and therefore I dont feel the same. I want them both!
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Would anyone say that aas has made them more effective from a mental standpoint?
Has it increased your drive and pushed you to succeed?
Very interested.
Absolutely!
It gives you tons of confidence to succeed at ANYTHING.
When my father was having work related issues he tried every medication a doc could give him. after 5 years he tried HRT and said he had the focus of a 20 year old all over again. now i don't know WHY but i can tell you my drive to do well in college/work was 10 fold when using AAS.
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There has to be some reason behind, it's like when you are on a cycle, it's a nice day, driving to the gym and that song comes, you know, that one song that drives you crazy and you want to lift the earth...
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There has to be some reason behind, it's like when you are on a cycle, it's a nice day, driving to the gym and that song comes, you know, that one song that drives you crazy and you want to lift the earth...
Metallica's "Trapped Under Ice "does it for me 8)
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Metallica's "Trapped Under Ice "does it for me 8)
I haven't liked anything Metallica did since I was back in high school.
I remember when the black album came out.........it was the beginning of the end for them.
"Kill 'em All".
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Absolutely!
It gives you tons of confidence to succeed at ANYTHING.
When my father was having work related issues he tried every medication a doc could give him. after 5 years he tried HRT and said he had the focus of a 20 year old all over again. now i don't know WHY but i can tell you my drive to do well in college/work was 10 fold when using AAS.
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I could imagine that happening. My natural hormone levels are considerably less than they used to be and I remember having so much more drive.
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I haven't liked anything Metallica did since I was back in high school.
I remember when the black album came out.........it was the beginning of the end for them.
"Kill 'em All".
DIV
Greatest metal band of all time...no question.
New album sounds promising. The album is being produced by Rick Reuben and for those that don't know, anything done by this guy is always top notch.
Here is the first rough release of new stuff from the upcoming album. James sounds a little rough on the vocals but I'm sure once it gets worked on a little more it will sound much sharper. Anyway, this song and album has a lot of promise IMO.
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i hate to admit it but certain house songs, that beat comes on and i can't get to the gym fast enough, it's a hard feelign to come by, but when it comes, look out world..........
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Greatest metal band of all time...no question.
New album sounds promising. The album is being produced by Rick Reuben and for those that don't know, anything done by this guy is always top notch.
Here is the first rough release of new stuff from the upcoming album. James sounds a little rough on the vocals but I'm sure once it gets worked on a little more it will sound much sharper. Anyway, this song and album has a lot of promise IMO.
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I prefer good Industrial to Metal for the most part, but I like many styles of music.
I thought Metallica sold their soul when they changed their style years ago.
Nothing can change that now.......
I'd take classic Ministry "Psalm69" over anything Metallica did..........great guitar riffs and samples.
Al Jourgenson is a genius.
DIV
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id have to take Bury Your Dead or Hatebreed or Every Time I Die or Pantera or Slip Knot over any 50 yr old metallica...
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I prefer good Industrial to Metal for the most part, but I like many styles of music.
I thought Metallica sold their soul when they changed their style years ago.
Nothing can change that now.......
I'd take classic Ministry "Psalm69" over anything Metallica did..........great guitar riffs and samples.
Al Jourgenson is a genius.
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The post "Black" albums were not that bad...excluding St. Anger. IMO, if any other band had done those albums they would have been big hits...they just were not up to par with former Metallica albums...still decent though.
id have to take Bury Your Dead or Hatebreed or Every Time I Die or Pantera or Slip Knot over any 50 yr old metallica...
Pantera is fantastic, Slip Knot, sort of average IMO. Hatebreed, repetitive and dull IMO.
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The post "Black" albums were not that bad...excluding St. Anger. IMO, if any other band had done those albums they would have been big hits...they just were not up to par with former Metallica albums...still decent though.
Pantera is fantastic, Slip Knot both are fantastic , IMO. Hatebreed, repetitive and Maybe a little dull IMO.
ill give you hatebreed is a bit repetitive but how about Bury Your Dead they are i think my fav right now theyre pretty intense...
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i hate to admit it but certain house songs, that beat comes on and i can't get to the gym fast enough, it's a hard feelign to come by, but when it comes, look out world..........
I'm with you on that one...Dance and Electronica music is the best for cardio and fast paced training sessions.
Now when it's time for some heavy lifting, i throw in Pantera, Old Metallica, Old Megadeth or maybe some Slayer...Pantera's first two albums are classics and songs like "this love" or "mouth for war" can make a person very aggressive...lol
Metallica is by far one of the best 80's metal bands, if not the best and i agree the black album was the end of their reign. anything produced in the 80's is top notch and untouchable IMO. "trapped under ice" and "fight fire with fire" get me going every time.
When it's time for bag work or cardio i'll listen to some Paul Van Dyk, Armin Van Burren or Tiesto...the beat keeps you moving and keeps my blood flowing hard.
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For me, 2 songs still get me absolutely psycho in the gym:
ACDC's Shoot to Thrill
Living Color's Open Letter to a Landlord
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For me, 2 songs still get me absolutely psycho in the gym:
ACDC's Shoot to Thrill
Living Color's Open Letter to a Landlord
Love some AC/DC...that's one of my favorites too.
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Love some AC/DC...that's one of my favorites too.
I like them as well..."Thunderstruck" is my favorite.
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I like them as well..."Thunderstruck" is my favorite.
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Shoot To Thrill, ah....can smell the strip club aroma now, the glitter, the glam of the titty bar!
Had many a lap dance to that tune.. 8)
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high Voltage all the way! Nothing ever compared after that album.