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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2008, 07:39:54 PM
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So what was on those videotapes destroyed by the CIA? Let's put a face to it. Abu Zubaydah was captured in Pakistan in 2002 and, after being shot in the groin while trying to escape, was sent to recover in a CIA secret prison. He would be the first of the CIA's many "ghost prisoners"—and also the first to test the value of what the president has often described as an "alternative set of [interrogation] procedures . . . that are safe and necessary."
As described by Ron Suskind in The One Percent Doctrine: Deep Inside America's Pursuit of Its Enemies Since 9/11 , Zubaydah—held in an ice-cold cell—was denied medication for his wounds, threatened with death, prevented from sleeping, incessantly blasted with pounding rock music (by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, among others), and, at last, waterboarded. After 30 seconds of feeling that he was on the verge of drowning, he was more than eager to answer any questions.
In a September 6, 2006, speech, George W. Bush triumphantly called Zubaydah "one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States." After the application of those "alternative" interrogation procedures, which the president described as "designed to . . . comply with our laws, our Constitution, and our treaty obligations, [and which] the Department of Justice reviewed extensively and determined to be lawful," the detainee "disclosed Khalid Sheikh Mohammed [to be] the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks" and "also provided information that helped stop a terrorist attack being planned for inside the United States."
cont... http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,hentoff,78870,6.html
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So what was on those videotapes destroyed by the CIA? Let's put a face to it. Abu Zubaydah was captured in Pakistan in 2002 and, after being shot in the groin while trying to escape, was sent to recover in a CIA secret prison. He would be the first of the CIA's many "ghost prisoners"—and also the first to test the value of what the president has often described as an "alternative set of [interrogation] procedures . . . that are safe and necessary."
As described by Ron Suskind in The One Percent Doctrine: Deep Inside America's Pursuit of Its Enemies Since 9/11 , Zubaydah—held in an ice-cold cell—was denied medication for his wounds, threatened with death, prevented from sleeping, incessantly blasted with pounding rock music (by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, among others), and, at last, waterboarded. After 30 seconds of feeling that he was on the verge of drowning, he was more than eager to answer any questions.
In a September 6, 2006, speech, George W. Bush triumphantly called Zubaydah "one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States." After the application of those "alternative" interrogation procedures, which the president described as "designed to . . . comply with our laws, our Constitution, and our treaty obligations, [and which] the Department of Justice reviewed extensively and determined to be lawful," the detainee "disclosed Khalid Sheikh Mohammed [to be] the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks" and "also provided information that helped stop a terrorist attack being planned for inside the United States."
cont... http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,hentoff,78870,6.html
DAMN! I would love to be tortured with rhcp's music, one of the best bands ever. Thats not torture but a gift!
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I fail to see the problem.... ::)
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I fail to see the problem.... ::)
me too! it seems like its not torture but pleasure
rhcp > getbig
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I fail to see the problem.... ::)
As usual. ::)
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Please change the video in your avatar, my balls may explode. Thank you.
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Do you have a video of ripitupbaby that could replace the one @ your avatar?
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I wonder if we did stuff like this during WW2 to captured Japanese and German officers?
I don't think we did.
IF this is ALL true, it is very disturbing to me.
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I wonder if we did stuff like this during WW2 to captured Japanese and German officers?
I don't think we did.
IF this is ALL true, it is very disturbing to me.
Japs would have deserved it (and even more). You are forgetting the rape of Nanjing.
You shouldnt be disturbed, people die everyday, the strong survive, same happens in the jungle.
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Please change the video in your avatar, my balls may explode. Thank you.
;D Happy to lend a helping avatar
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Japs would have deserved it (and even more). You are forgetting the rape of Nanjing.
You shouldnt be disturbed, people die everyday, the strong survive, same happens in the jungle.
My mother was born in one of the Japanese internment camps, that is all :)
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Japs would have deserved it (and even more). You are forgetting the rape of Nanjing.
You shouldnt be disturbed, people die everyday, the strong survive, same happens in the jungle.
What Japs? the Japs who were guilty of war crimes in Nanking or the Japs who had nothing to do with it?
It's disturbing that we stick a wounded guy in a cell without medical treatment, of course if that's true.
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My mother was born in one of the Japanese internment camps, that is all :)
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What Japs? the Japs who were guilty of war crimes in Nanking or the Japs who had nothing to with it?
It's disturbing that we stick a wounded guy in a cell without medical treatment, of course if that's true.
Disturbing? its WAR man, stop crying ffs. Shit happens, theres nothing you can do, go out and have a beer, look at the sky and pray to good that you are not the next one who is going to die.
easy!
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Disturbing? its WAR man, stop crying ffs. Shit happens, theres nothing you can do, go out and have a beer, look at the sky and pray to good that you are not the next one who is going to die.
easy!
Sorry, I am not willing to dismiss my humanity all becuase it's war. I'm not willing to killing or harm innocent people becuase it's war.
Perhaps that works for you. You like other innocent people to suffer for someone else's actions.
That's not what America is about. Maybe for you. I am well aware of the atrocities committed by the Japanese. My Great Grandmother used to tell me about it as she experienced much of it first hand. But the minute i harm an innocent person in response to it, i am no better than your garden variety terrorist and neither are you. Dismissing it as "war" is a pathetic cowardly cop out.
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Sorry, I am not willing to dismiss my humanity all becuase it's war. I'm willing to killing or harm innocent people becuase it's war.
Perhaps that works for you. You like other innocent people to suffer for someone else's actions.
That's not what America is about. Maybe for you. I am well aware of the atrocities committed by the Japanese. My Great Grandmother used to tell me about it as she experienced much of it first hand. But the minute i harm an innocent person in response to it, i am no better than your garden variety terrorist and neither are you. Dismissing it as "war" is a pathetic cowardly cop out.
Your humanity? Thanks to people with your "humanity", terrorists were able to fly 2 boeings into wtc, killing thousands of innocent people. Nice humanity "0zm0"
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Sorry, I am not willing to dismiss my humanity all becuase it's war. I'm not willing to killing or harm innocent people becuase it's war.
Perhaps that works for you. You like other innocent people to suffer for someone else's actions.
That's not what America is about. Maybe for you. I am well aware of the atrocities committed by the Japanese. My Great Grandmother used to tell me about it as she experienced much of it first hand. But the minute i harm an innocent person in response to it, i am no better than your garden variety terrorist and neither are you. Dismissing it as "war" is a pathetic cowardly cop out.
Good answer.
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Your humanity? Thanks to people with your "humanity", terrorists were able to fly 2 boeings into wtc, killing thousands of innocent people. Nice humanity "0zm0"
are you serious or is this your best neocon answer :-\
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Your humanity? Thanks to people with your "humanity", terrorists were able to fly 2 boeings into wtc, killing thousands of innocent people. Nice humanity "0zm0"
So becuase I'm unwilling to kill innocent people, 2 planes were slammed into the WTC's? ::)
Man, you should get an award for being a great example of warped thinking or at the very least a poster boy for hate propaganda.
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Somewhere, becuase of 9/11 America lost it's identity. :'(
In a way, the terrorists have a victory in that.
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So becuase I'm unwilling to kill innocent people, 2 planes were slammed into the WTC's? ::)
Man, you should get an award for being a great example of warped thinking or at the very least a poster boy for hate propaganda.
Go and feed some terrorists, give them medication and see them a year after flying a huge boeing 777 into your home.
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Go and feed some terrorists, give them medication and see them a year after flying a huge boeing 777 into your home.
Oh, so now we are switching to me feeding terrorists? How did we get from not wanting to kill innocent people to me feeding terrorist? You are probably one of those staunch drones who actually believe anyone who doesn't want kill innocent people as a means to an end in war actually really just wants to appease the aggressors(terrorists).
Too stupid to differentiate doing the right thing from the doing the needed thing.
Do you wear an arm band?
Are you really this dimwitted?
The sad thing about people as stupid as you is that you'll never beable to see just how stupid you are.
You will always and forever be someone's tool.
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Oh, so now we are switching to me feeding terrorists? How did we get from not wanting to kill innocent people to me feeding terrorist? You are probably one of those staunch drones who actually believe anyone who doesn't want kill innocent people as a means to an end in war actually really just wants to appease the aggressors(terrorists).
Too stupid to differentiate doing the right thing from the doing the needed thing.
Do you wear an arm band?
Are you really this dimwitted?
The sad thing about people as stupid as you is that you'll never beable to see just how stupid you are.
You will always and forever be someone's tool.
At least im not training myself with ms-flight simulator to kill innocent people (maybe you are, right?)
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Go and feed some terrorists, give them medication and see them a year after flying a huge boeing 777 into your home.
I think theres a terrorist up your arse, see if you can flush him out with your fist.
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At least im not training myself with ms-flight simulator to kill innocent people (maybe you are, right?)
I rest my case.
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I rest my case.
and im out to sleep, nice to meet you
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and im out to sleep, nice to meet you
How well do you know your neighbors?
Anyone new in town since 2000?
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How well do you know your neighbors?
Anyone new in town since 2000?
My 2 german shepperds take care of that
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My 2 german shepperds take care of that
Bwhahahahaha ::)
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My 2 german shepperds take care of that
Do you really think they wouldn't be ready for dogs? Plus they are not concerned with you. They are concerned with the town you live.
Seriously, how well do you know them?
Do your parents have a gun in the house?
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Do you really think they wouldn't be ready for dogs? Plus they are not concerned with you. They are concerned with the town you live.
Seriously, how well do you know them?
Do your parents have a gun in the house?
I told you, i have 2 german shepperds, no gun, i fix things in the oldschool way, thats it, with my hands, with the right hand i punish, with the left hand i give love. Anyway where i live we dont have foreigners at all so...yeah i know everybody here!
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I told you, i have 2 german shepperds, no gun, i fix things in the oldschool way, thats it, with my hands, with the right hand i punish, with the left hand i give love. Anyway where i live we dont have foreigners at all so...yeah i know everybody here!
I rest my case again! lol
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These people don't play fair...they hate us and honestly they all get what they deserve. U kind hide behind morals and values but when the ultimate aim of our..our not mine or George Bush's..or the Repubs..our enemy is to detonate a nuke on American or Western soil...the gloves come of. We can regain our humanity later. As far as the Germans and Japs....yeah there were plenty of instances of not taking surrrendering prisoners, ask any marine who fought on the Islands..are flamethrowers humane. Our history has been whitewashed by both sides to make it seem bloodless.
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These people don't play fair...they hate us and honestly they all get what they deserve. U kind hide behind morals and values but when the ultimate aim of our..our not mine or George Bush's..or the Repubs..our enemy is to detonate a nuke on American or Western soil...the gloves come of. We can regain our humanity later. As far as the Germans and Japs....yeah there were plenty of instances of not taking surrrendering prisoners, ask any marine who fought on the Islands..are flamethrowers humane. Our history has been whitewashed by both sides to make it seem bloodless.
I get all that and understand it. Regardless of our how much we try to follow our laws and keep our humanity, WAR by it's very nature will always move us away from it. There will always be instances of inhumane treatment, war crimes and brutality even in the most noble of armies and causes. However, surrendering to the idea that it's "war" speeds up that process of us becoming what we fight against..
We must always fight to preserve that which we fight for.
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Your humanity? Thanks to people with your "humanity", terrorists were able to fly 2 boeings into wtc, killing thousands of innocent people. Nice humanity "0zm0"
NORAD froze all response time by 45 minutes that morning.
They were alerted at 8:16 that morning, and chose to launch fighters at 9:01, after the second plane hit. This violated protocol. NORAD then lied to the 911 commission, saying they weren't told until 9:01. Phone records proved them to be lying.
Also, once the 9:01 flights were in the air at 1875 mph and approaching the other 2 planes, they were inexplicably re-reouted to run circles at 400 mph in the Atlantic for another hour. We would know how/why they were told to do this, but the FAA official in charge smashed the recordings from that morning and placed the tape in various pieces in different trashcans in the building. He was never even questioned!
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Besides the CT shit..Ozmo i agree..ur doing that by ur very post. Other don't have the luxury. These folks need to go.
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Besides the CT shit..Ozmo i agree..ur doing that by ur very post. Other don't have the luxury. These folks need to go.
I'm okay if you guys want to go over there and kill whoever you perceive to be a threat, either to our lives or our economy. You have more info than we do, and you're taking the risks.
All I ask is that yall stop LYING TO US. This bullshit about WMD, misleading everyone into thinking Iraq did 911, calling off NORAD on 911 and refusing to investigate the FBI giving 2 of the terrorists places to live...
Shit like that is what fuels CTs. When the govt lies to us. Just tell us we need to invade Iraq to keep uo our way of living. Most of us will agree. Show us a picture of the USA in 20 years without that oil, we'll agree with it.
But insulting our intelligence, that's BS. Letting a 911 happen - that's BS. Just stop insulting us, and we'll continue to give you the green light (read: tax dollars and borrowing!) to flatten any oil-bearing nation you pelase!
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I'm okay if you guys want to go over there and kill whoever you perceive to be a threat, either to our lives or our economy. You have more info than we do, and you're taking the risks.
All I ask is that yall stop LYING TO US. This bullshit about WMD, misleading everyone into thinking Iraq did 911, calling off NORAD on 911 and refusing to investigate the FBI giving 2 of the terrorists places to live...
Shit like that is what fuels CTs. When the govt lies to us. Just tell us we need to invade Iraq to keep uo our way of living. Most of us will agree. Show us a picture of the USA in 20 years without that oil, we'll agree with it.
But insulting our intelligence, that's BS. Letting a 911 happen - that's BS. Just stop insulting us, and we'll continue to give you the green light (read: tax dollars and borrowing!) to flatten any oil-bearing nation you pelase!
Another thing -
I have heard more Bush lies in the last 7 years than I've heard Adhmedijahad lies.
Yes, Adhmedijahad is a crazy little fvck. But, he's been more honest than Bush has.
THAT is why libs choose to sympathize with little nuts like him. Because he doesn't fvcking lie to us. Most Americans would support a war to prevent $10 gallon for gas. Most AMericans also hate to be lied to, more than anything.
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I don't even know here to go with the Iranian/Bush comparison...ur right Bush is nothing more then an evil little islamonutbag.