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Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In U.S. War On Iraq
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
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That website is about violent deaths, it does not discern between military and bombers and religious deaths. And from what I read, every numbers is prefaced by "estimated" and there is a very broad range....400,000 to 750,000 is one of the ranges they used, that's almost double. How are you supposed to take it seriously when the #'s are so far apart?
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That website is about violent deaths, it does not discern between military and bombers and religious deaths. And from what I read, every numbers is prefaced by "estimated" and there is a very broad range....400,000 to 750,000 is one of the ranges they used, that's almost double. How are you supposed to take it seriously when the #'s are so far apart?
The fact that it's in the hundres of thousends regardless, makes it ok.
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The fact that it's in the hundres of thousends regardless, makes it ok.
It's "thousands", and yes, casualties and fatalities happen. In your fantasy world maybe everyone can play marble for control of money/power.
My point is why explode the number? If it really is even 400,000, does it make it seem more dramatic to say 750,000 instead? And none, not one, of those numbers can be proven, they are all estimates.
I estimate you have about 3 brain cells left.....woohoo!!!! I'm right!!
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The fact that it's in the hundres of thousends regardless, makes it ok.
LOL. Well Said. ;D
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The fact that it's in the hundres of thousends regardless, makes it ok.
bindare chaos is chaos, you have to forgive it/him :D
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It's "thousands", and yes, casualties and fatalities happen. In your fantasy world maybe everyone can play marble for control of money/power.
My point is why explode the number? If it really is even 400,000, does it make it seem more dramatic to say 750,000 instead? And none, not one, of those numbers can be proven, they are all estimates.
I estimate you have about 3 brain cells left.....woohoo!!!! I'm right!!
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Shouldnt you be working to pay off your $144,000 share of the National Debt instead of posting on here?
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Shouldnt you be working to pay off your $144,000 share of the National Debt instead of posting on here?
Do you even have a job in your third world country? Selling "chicle" between cars at the border doesn't count. ::)
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Do you even have a job in your third world country? Selling "chicle" between cars at the border doesn't count. ::)
We can afford the time off, we're not up to our eyeballs in debt, like you are.
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We can afford the time off, we're not up to our eyeballs in debt, like you are.
I would imagine, plywood walls and a dirt floor aren't that expensive. :-\
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I would imagine, plywood walls and a dirt floor aren't that expensive. :-\
Pretty soon, you won't have to imagine, you'll be living it sucker.
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Pretty soon, you won't have to imagine, you'll be living it sucker.
lol sure bud, what do you care about the causalties for or for that reason even the war, your not american or iraqi?
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Pretty soon, you won't have to imagine, you'll be living it sucker.
hahahahahaaaaaaa
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Are u telling me this Bindar guy isn't even American...ok now I can dismiss anything he has to say. Where is he from?
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Just Foreign Policy is an independent and non-partisan mass membership organization founded in 2006 that is dedicated to reforming U.S. foreign policy through coordinating the broad majority of Americans to advocate their interests and values, largely through Internet actions styled on those of MoveOn.Org and similar groups. It has promoted various actions for U.S. citizens to take to lobby their representatives in the U.S. Congress to avoid a war with Iran, reject a weakening of the War Crimes Act, end the U.S. occupation of Iraq, and to de-escalate the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.
According to the group's website, its founding president is economist Mark Weisbrot, and various press releases list its national coordinators as Robert Naiman and Chelsea Mozen.[1][2] Its board consists of representatives from the NAACP, the Center for Economic and Policy Research, the Economic Policy Institute, Win Without War, the Campaign for America's Future, the No More Sweatshops campaign, Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities, and various universities, each serving in individual rather than in organizational capacities
THIS IS A BULLSHIT SITE...full of anti-American nutbags witha LONG history of this crap. These numbers are bullshit..they have no clue. I read over the whole thing...no fucking idea whatso ever. Its all big bad America's fault. Berserk u need to stop quoting from bullshit sites...no credibility at all.
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Just Foreign Policy is an independent and non-partisan mass membership organization founded in 2006 that is dedicated to reforming U.S. foreign policy through coordinating the broad majority of Americans to advocate their interests and values, largely through Internet actions styled on those of MoveOn.Org and similar groups. It has promoted various actions for U.S. citizens to take to lobby their representatives in the U.S. Congress to avoid a war with Iran, reject a weakening of the War Crimes Act, end the U.S. occupation of Iraq, and to de-escalate the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.
According to the group's website, its founding president is economist Mark Weisbrot, and various press releases list its national coordinators as Robert Naiman and Chelsea Mozen.[1][2] Its board consists of representatives from the NAACP, the Center for Economic and Policy Research, the Economic Policy Institute, Win Without War, the Campaign for America's Future, the No More Sweatshops campaign, Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities, and various universities, each serving in individual rather than in organizational capacities
THIS IS A BULLSHIT SITE...full of anti-American nutbags witha LONG history of this crap. These numbers are bullshit..they have no clue. I read over the whole thing...no fucking idea whatso ever. Its all big bad America's fault. Berserk u need to stop quoting from bullshit sites...no credibility at all.
sure thing ya nazi
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Nope kinda hard to be a Nazi since I'm catholic and like Jews. Neither would have made me a big favorite with the Germans. Ur scared of ur shadow. Big bad uncle sam....or big bad Bush..yet it was the Libs and Clinton who were far worse. Ruby Ridge and Waco come to mind.
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Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In U.S. War On Iraq
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
Why not 112,546,243? That would piss people off more. Yeah I think that's how many have died so far, and if you disagree with me your neo-con nazi scum.
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Why not 112,546,243? That would piss people off more. Yeah I think that's how many have died so far, and if you disagree with me your neo-con nazi scum.
Look HH6, you and your gimmick are both Nazis :)
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Look HH6, you and your gimmick are both Nazis :)
Yes Hitler's National SOCIALIST Party was right wing.
Because hatred of capitalism, Christianity, individualism, jews, and freedom of expression is totally what the right stands for today.
Tell me should this book be read or burned?
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0385511841.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1118093825_.jpg)
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Hey whatever I want a leather trench coat and a sam brown belt..give me that and u can call a member of the pink bunny party. Puling the Nazi cvard is the last argument of the CT/Left nutbags before they pounce on u.
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Hey whatever I want a leather trench coat and a sam brown belt..give me that and u can call a member of the pink bunny party. Puling the Nazi cvard is the last argument of the CT/Left nutbags before they pounce on u.
nazi nazi nazi nazi :D
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Yes Hitler's National SOCIALIST Party was right wing.
Because hatred of capitalism, Christianity, individualism, jews, and freedom of expression is totally what the right stands for today.
Tell me should this book be read or burned?
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0385511841.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1118093825_.jpg)
No, it should be put in the bad read pile. If you want to read garbage, go ahead :)
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What the AP forgets to mention is that the "two nonprofit journalism organizations" can hardly be imagined to be impartial. The Center for Public Integrity (CPI) is funded by well-known leftist, George Soros, as well as the Streisand Foundation, the Ford Foundation, and the Los Angeles Times Foundation -- all of which are exclusively leftist in political philosophy. Even more ridiculously, the second of these "non-profit journalism organizations" shares most of its board members with the first. So, the Fund for Independence in Journalism can hardly be considered a separate entity from the CPI.
The AP merely spews the claims form this study as if they are real news, but much of the APs story is disingenuous as is the "study.":
Two things here. First, few people now think Saddam had WMDs, of course. But nearly everyone thought he had them before we went into Iraq -- including the leadership of every nation on the planet as well as Saddam's own generals. So, it was not a "lie" if it was commonly thought to be true by nearly every head of state in the world. That Saddam had WMDs may have been a mistaken notion, but it was not a lie before it was known for sure!
Secondly, it is interesting that this "study" claims that Bush "lied" about links with al-Qaeda. Yet even they have to massage that claim of a lie into "meaningful ties to al-Qaida." This means that even they are admitting that there are ties with al-Qaeda but that they aren't "meaningful."
Does that mean the "lie" is not that the ties exist but how "meaningful" they are? Instead of a lie we are squabbling over semantics. In essence, Bush DIDN'T lie about ties to al-Qaida, the is just a debate on how "meaningful" those ties are.
In these very first two instances, Bush's "lies" turn out not to be lies at all.
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No, it should be put in the bad read pile. If you want to read garbage, go ahead :)
You assume it's garbage without even reading it. What if it's really good?
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Are u telling me this Bindar guy isn't even American...ok now I can dismiss anything he has to say. Where is he from?
You''l know when I decide to mention it.
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You assume it's garbage without even reading it. What if it's really good?
You can't read everything - to me it sounds like it is from a right-wing wack job: "It's all the lefts fault"
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Honestly i don't care..however based on some of ur statements, I was picturing some grizzled ex-pat..instead of whatever the hell u are. In any case..if ur not an American..how the hell can u comment on my country....most people take America for granted but I'm not letting some shitbag foreigner take shots at her..we have enough of our own doing that.
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You can't read everything - to me it sounds like it is from a right-wing wack job: "It's all the lefts fault"
What if it's an awesome book and makes a great point? Maybe he's not blaming anyone but just writing an accurate portrayal of history?
You can't just dismiss things because you don't like them. That's sign of willful ignorance and blind political ideology.
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What if it's an awesome book and makes a great point? Maybe he's not blaming anyone but just writing an accurate portrayal of history?
You can't just dismiss things because you don't like them. That's sign of willful ignorance and blind political ideology.
These liberal bashing books (ie. the left is responsible for all the ills of the world) only seem to come out in the US, I've never seen them here in Oz - I'm pretty sure it's a symptom of your culture. They would give Noam Chomsky more credence here than this guy.
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Noam Chomsky..... ::) Another guy who should get hit by a bus.
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Honestly i don't care..however based on some of ur statements, I was picturing some grizzled ex-pat..instead of whatever the hell u are. In any case..if ur not an American..how the hell can u comment on my country....most people take America for granted but I'm not letting some shitbag foreigner take shots at her..we have enough of our own doing that.
No ones taking shots at the country or it's people , it's the system thats fucked. There is a difference.
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The system works fine... but we don't exist to be fair to everybody. The system itself is fairenough in that everybody has a shot at the American dream..and many take it. We don't and should not allow illiegal immigration....give hand-outs to the poor or take shit from foreign powers. We don't want to end up like Europe...marginalized on the world stage, with a lazy work force and socialist governments. Bush will be gone in two years.
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The system works fine... but we don't exist to be fair to everybody. The system itself is fairenough in that everybody has a shot at the American dream..and many take it. We don't and should not allow illiegal immigration....give hand-outs to the poor or take shit from foreign powers. We don't want to end up like Europe...marginalized on the world stage, with a lazy work force and socialist governments. Bush will be gone in two years.
The poor are the least of your worries, it's the people making policy that are robbing America blind.
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The poor are the lest of your worries, it's the people making policy that are robbing America blind.
Amen. Highest oil profits in history...........and a recession...... :-\
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Amen. Highest oil profits in history...........and a recession...... :-\
Im having a hard time getting what is so hard for people to understand about these things.