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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: gh15 on January 25, 2008, 10:06:01 AM
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i was askign again in the recent pms ,,not one not 2 ,,try 8 about dianabol,,and i will say it again so make it into a stick messege because im not going to repeat this
DIANABOL IF LEGIT IS THE BEST ANABOLI/ANDROGENIC DRUG THERE EVER PRODUCED,,RUSSIAN DIANABOL THE GOOD OLE RUSSIAN DIANABOL IS NO MORE,,MANY FAKES IN RUSSIA AND IT IS NO MORE,,BUT! ANABOL AS IN SNAKE AND ARROW AS IN PINK PENTAGON AS IN THAI DIANABOL BY THE GREATEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD FOR ORALS BRITISH DISPENSARY IS EQUAL TO THE GOOD OLE RUSSIAN DIANABOL,,
NOW,,WHEN YOU TAKE ANABOLS ,,YOU DONT NEED TO WAIT 10 DAYS OR 4 DAYS LIKE SOME OF YOU ASK ME WHEN WHEN YOU SEE ANYTHING,,WHEN YOU TAKE LEGIT DIANABOL IT WILL FADE AND MELT IN YOUR MOUTH KEEPING ITS ORIGINAL SHAPE WITHIN 60 SECOND ,,COMPLETE 'MELTING' WITH BITTER TASTE ,,IT WILL MANTAIN ITS ORIGINAL FORM IN GENERAL AND YOU WILL FILL THE DRUG ,,YOU WILL FEEL YOU ARE HTAKING A DRUG,,
ANABOL WILL RESULT IN YOU START GROWING WITH THE FIRST 2 HOURS OF YOU TAKING IT,,MEANING AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU WILL STEP ON SCALE AND BE 2-3 POUNDS HEAVIER ,,OFCOURSE TRAINING IS NEEDED BUT EVEN WITH OUT IT WATER RETENTION IS IMMIDIATE ,,WITH TRAINING AND GOOD NUTRITION IT WILL BE THE RIGHT WATER RETENTION AND NOT JUST BLOATED FATZO LIKE HAPPENS WITH GUYS WHO TAKE IT WITH OUT TRAINING
AGAIN ,,YOU WILL FEEL AND SEE DINABOL EFFECTS WITHIN FIRST FEW HOURS OF TAKING IT ,,FIRST TRAINING SESSION,,THE ONLY TIME YOU MAY FEEL AND SEE THE EFFECT AND LOOK LIKE YOU ARE ON YET WONT BE AS STRONG AS YOU USED TO IS! IF YOU TOOK 3 MONTHS OFF FROM TRAINING AND JUST STARTED AGAIN AND TOOK DIANABOL PRE TRAINING ,,SO FIRST COUPLE SESSIONS YOU WILL HAVE TO START FROM LOWER WEIGHTS AND WONT BE AS STRONG AS BEFORE BUT THATS COMMON SENSE I HOPE...YOU NEVEE KNOW WITH YOU GUYS ;) ,,EVEN IN THE LATTER CASE YOU WILL LOOK AND FEEL LIKE YOU ARE JACKED AND YOU WILL LOOK BIG ALTHOUGH NOT AS STRONG BECAUSE YOU JUST GOT BACK TO TRAINING FROM A BIG BREAK AND 2-3 MONTHS IS BIG BREAK
ANYOTHER FEELING OR NO FEELING AND NO RESULTS ,,ANYONE WHO TAKE DIANABOL AND DONT FEEL A REAL JACKED ENERGIZED BUFFED UP FEEL AND LOOK! IS TAKING A FAKE UNDERGROUND GARBAGE CHINEASE CRAP SIMILAR TO HIS PEE BECAUSE THATS IS STRAIGHT WHERE IT GOES TO ,,
TRY TO GET LEGIT DIANABOL AND YOU WILL SEE 30 MG FOR ALL OF YOU WILL GO LONG LONG WAY
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how can anything that "melts" keep its shape when melted?? ::) ::)
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what about monkey GH?
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Hook a brutha up.
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how can anything that "melts" keep its shape when melted?? ::) ::)
im sure since youre genious you will find a better word and help gh15 describe it,,thats why i wrote 'melt',,right now my vocabulary is minoot because im hungry and need food so im going to cook
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how can anything that "melts" keep its shape when melted?? ::) ::)
it dissolves around the edges but still retains it's shape and doesn't split or crumble while doing so.
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can i start taking dianabol at 19?
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it dissolves around the edges but still retains it's shape and doesn't split or crumble while doing so.
donkeykong owned :D
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Dianabol is a 'feel good' drug. It has a distinct dopaminergic feel to it, slightly euphoric. I can feel it within a few hours and tell if it's Dianabol in the tabs or something else, not anything physical but the mental effect. Sleep is enhanced too. YMMV.
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i was askign again ...
at least he's over referring to himself as third person, theres still some hope for him.
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Dianabol is a 'feel good' drug. It has a distinct dopaminergic feel to it, slightly euphoric. I can feel it within a few hours and tell if it's Dianabol in the tabs or something else, not anything physical but the mental effect. Sleep is enhanced too. YMMV.
thats maybe why a lot of the guys from the 70's went a little 'crazy'.
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TRY TO GET LEGIT DIANABOL AND YOU WILL SEE 30 MG FOR ALL OF YOU WILL GO LONG LONG WAY
So dbol alone, without any injectables. Is a good 'cycle'? What 'dangers' are there with doing so?
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YMMV.
??? ??? ???
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So dbol alone, without any injectables. Is a good 'cycle'? What 'dangers' are there with doing so?
All oral steriods are hard on your liver.
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All oral steriods are hard on your liver.
To an extent...but things like Tylenol, Advil, Ibuprofen etc are much harder...of course then there is alcohol, which takes the prize big time...wk end warrior drinkers do far more damage to their livers then those that run simple cycles that consist of oral AAS.
DIANABOL IF LEGIT IS THE BEST ANABOLI/ANDROGENIC DRUG THERE EVER PRODUCED,,RUSSIAN DIANABOL THE GOOD OLE RUSSIAN DIANABOL IS NO MORE,,MANY FAKES IN RUSSIA AND IT IS NO MORE,,BUT! ANABOL AS IN SNAKE AND ARROW AS IN PINK PENTAGON AS IN THAI DIANABOL BY THE GREATEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD FOR ORALS BRITISH DISPENSARY IS EQUAL TO THE GOOD OLE RUSSIAN DIANABOL,,
Methandrostenolone is great for size but it's always been the only thing that has given me side effects that I do not care for at all. On the other hand, oxymetholone (Anadrol for the clueless, lol) I love...it equals better gains, better pumps and for me at least, far less annoying side effects.
Love me some drol!!!
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D-bol alone is a good cycle. Tylenol will kill your liver. Compared to Tylenol, D-bol is a sugar pill as far as your liver goes. Yes, some love Drol more than D-bol. Less water, but some have worse sides. Depends on the person.
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So dbol alone, without any injectables. Is a good 'cycle'? What 'dangers' are there with doing so?
STFU
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you will lose most of your gains wtf all oral cycle?
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you will lose most of your gains wtf all oral cycle?
I got news for you, stop roids and your gains will go away whether they are oral or injects.
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I got news for you, stop roids and your gains will go away whether they are oral or injects.
Hey bro Slin shake McGillicutty doesn't need your advice, he knows everything. ::)
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I got news for you, stop roids and your gains will go away whether they are oral or injects.
see that happen all the time.
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Sometimes I'm unsure of the slang. So Russian dbol are naps, right? And naps are no good. Thai dbol is anabol and those are the only ones to get now, right?
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Sometimes I'm unsure of the slang. So Russian dbol are naps, right? And naps are no good. Thai dbol is anabol and those are the only ones to get now, right?
Bro, no need to get racist. Koreans are people too. Let's keep it civil.
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Bro, no need to get racist. Koreans are people too. Let's keep it civil.
Bigoblobo thinks joe weider is a neo nazi ???
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Bro, no need to get racist. Koreans are people too. Let's keep it civil.
At least I didn't say nappy headed hoe.
I acknowledge you.
*Bows reverently and slinks out of room*
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Sometimes I'm unsure of the slang. So Russian dbol are naps, right? And naps are no good. Thai dbol is anabol and those are the only ones to get now, right?
no. Nps as in Naposim made by Terapia Cluj , is one of the best dianabol in the world if not THE best . thai pinks, Naposim , are all the same dianabol. Russians as gh 15 calls them , I believe he refers to a mix od dianabol and methyl testosterone very popular in eastern europe about until 10 years ago . they were the shit. No longer produces. Hopes this clarify your query.
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To an extent...but things like Tylenol, Advil, Ibuprofen etc are much harder...of course then there is alcohol, which takes the prize big time...wk end warrior drinkers do far more damage to their livers then those that run simple cycles that consist of oral AAS.
Methandrostenolone is great for size but it's always been the only thing that has given me side effects that I do not care for at all. On the other hand, oxymetholone (Anadrol for the clueless, lol) I love...it equals better gains, better pumps and for me at least, far less annoying side effects.
Love me some drol!!!
What sides did you experience?
Have you done oral only cycle(s) ?
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What sides did you experience?
Have you done oral only cycle(s) ?
I have no personal experience. However I remember training with a guy years ago who took only dianabol for 8 weeks. Never took anything else before or after. Started with 4/day and worked up to 10/day. He was 20 at the time.(too young IMO). He was already very big and strong eg dbell shoulder presses with 90 for reps, bench 315 for reps etc. Weighed 17 stone. End of his cycle benching 405 for 4 real, full reps. inclined 315 for real reps. looked like arnie in the film "Twins". (About the same height too). Type of guy that if i posted pics 5 years ago of him peolple would shout "all drugs, dead by 25 etc". I can't recommend what he did but the results were incredible. Met him recently after a few years. He doesn't use anymore but is still huge and reasonably lean. Also doing a phd in chemical engineering.
As an aside, someone said d-bol is like taking candy compared to tylenol for your liver. Unless you're OD'ing on tyelonol regularily that's bulshit. Oral 'roids can be heavy on the liver. I have seen the blood test pre and post cycle.
regards,
the Doc ;)
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I have no personal experience. However I remember training with a guy years ago who took only dianabol for 8 weeks. Never took anything else before or after. Started with 4/day and worked up to 10/day. He was 20 at the time.(too young IMO). He was already very big and strong eg dbell shoulder presses with 90 for reps, bench 315 for reps etc. Weighed 17 stone. End of his cycle benching 405 for 4 real, full reps. inclined 315 for real reps. looked like arnie in the film "Twins". (About the same height too). Type of guy that if i posted pics 5 years ago of him peolple would shout "all drugs, dead by 25 etc". I can't recommend what he did but the results were incredible. Met him recently after a few years. He doesn't use anymore but is still huge and reasonably lean. Also doing a phd in chemical engineering.
As an aside, someone said d-bol is like taking candy compared to tylenol for your liver. Unless you're OD'ing on tyelonol regularily that's bulshit. Oral 'roids can be heavy on the liver. I have seen the blood test pre and post cycle.
regards,
the Doc ;)
Yikes! that's alot of gains :o
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donkeykong owned :D
oh yeah, totally destroyed... ::) ::)
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can i start taking dianabol at 19?
yes, start at 100 mg daily and build up to 1000 mg, run 6-8 weeks and eat like crazy, should help you gain a few lbs
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D-bol alone is a good cycle. Tylenol will kill your liver. Compared to Tylenol, D-bol is a sugar pill as far as your liver goes. Yes, some love Drol more than D-bol. Less water, but some have worse sides. Depends on the person.
Couldn't agree more!
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I got news for you, stop roids and your gains will go away whether they are oral or injects.
Amen to that
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what about monkey GH?
Ha ha, bigbobs is really trying his hardest to look like nasser (look at the glasses)
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I got news for you, stop roids and your gains will go away whether they are oral or injects.
Exactly, all anabolic steroids work through the same mechanisms pretty much.
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the main thing is that you HAVE TO HAVE LEGIT DIANABOL ,,undeground dianabol are not legit they are not done right they use bunk powders underdosed posdwers and then underdosed the product,,they just dont have the ability to mix it well ,,they dont have the ability to process the chemicals sme way as human grade commerical lab ,,they work out of kitchens and in many times throw diff poweders for dif products ,,in 90% of cases it is bunk powder !
NOW TO FINISH THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL I WILL TELL YOU HERE THE MOST IMPORTANT SIGN YOU SEE WHEN YOU TAKE LEGIT DIANABOL SUCH AS ANABOLS,,
YOU TAKE IT LETS SAY FIRST 2 LTTIEL TABLETS AT 10 AM ,,THEN 2 MORE AT 2 PM THEN 2 MORE AT 6 PM ,,,YOU GO TO SLEEP AT MIDNIGHT AFTER EAITNG ALL DAY LONG LIKE CRAZY CLEAN FOOD BECAUSE YOUR STIOMACK DIDNT EVEN FEEL THE NEED FOR JUNK FOOD BECAUSE THE DRUG MADE YOU HUNGRY AND YOU CAN EAT A LIVE PIG....YOU THINK EVERYTHING IS FINE ,,,YET WASKING UP AT 5 AM DUE TO SEVERE HUNGER AND GOT TO HAVE EGGWHITES AND SOME PENUT BUTTER OR SOME MORE NUTRITION,,
THAT MY FRIENDS! IS REAL LEGIT DIANABOL ,,THAT IS WHAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU USE ANABOLS ,,
IF YOU DONT WAKE UP EARLY MORNING WANTING TO FUCK YOUR GIRLFRIEND TO PIECES AND SIMPLY RAPE HER,,,AND WANTING TO EAT AT THE SAME TIME 2 MEALS ,,YOU SIMPLY DO NOT USE REAL LEGIT PHARMA HUMAN GRADE DIANABOL ,,,
99% OF DIANABOL FROM UNDERGROUND IS FAKE AND BUNK AND SEV\ERELY UNDERDOSED,,
ONLY USE HUMAN GRADE HORMONES !
WHEN YOU ARE ON DIANABOL YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE GOD AMONG HUMANS ,,YOU ARE ALWAYS HUNGRY ,,YOU CAN DOWN 10 MEALS A DAY ,,AND! ALL THAT BY ONLY TAKING 4-6 TABLETS ,,,
THIS IS REAL HORMONES FOR YOU MY FRIENDS
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The Thai Acdhon Methandon were good too. Is it still made?
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As an aside, someone said d-bol is like taking candy compared to tylenol for your liver. Unless you're OD'ing on tyelonol regularily that's bulshit. Oral 'roids can be heavy on the liver. I have seen the blood test pre and post cycle.
regards,
the Doc ;)
I said it and you are without a doubt you are very wrong. Tylenol can and has been deadly to the liver even at the recommended dose in people who are fasting or not eating much due to illness. You need to do a little research and keep up with the latest findings about acetaminophen. Any Dr should know this!!!!
Every time you take Tylenol or another drug containing acetaminophen, a small part of the drug will be converted into a toxin that can cause severe liver damage. Under normal circumstances, a bodily chemical known as glutathione conjugates and binds with the toxin to render it harmless. However, in certain cases, too much of the toxin is produced and not enough glutathione is available to detoxify it. People who have the flu, a stomach virus, a toothache, or who are not eating normally for another reason can suffer liver failure in as little as one week's time when taking Tylenol or another drug containing acetaminophen. This has happened already in a few people who were taking the recommended dose for only a couple of days.
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the main thing is that you HAVE TO HAVE LEGIT DIANABOL ,,undeground dianabol are not legit they are not done right they use bunk powders underdosed posdwers and then underdosed the product,,they just dont have the ability to mix it well ,,they dont have the ability to process the chemicals sme way as human grade commerical lab ,,they work out of kitchens and in many times throw diff poweders for dif products ,,in 90% of cases it is bunk powder !
NOW TO FINISH THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL I WILL TELL YOU HERE THE MOST IMPORTANT SIGN YOU SEE WHEN YOU TAKE LEGIT DIANABOL SUCH AS ANABOLS,,
YOU TAKE IT LETS SAY FIRST 2 LTTIEL TABLETS AT 10 AM ,,THEN 2 MORE AT 2 PM THEN 2 MORE AT 6 PM ,,,YOU GO TO SLEEP AT MIDNIGHT AFTER EAITNG ALL DAY LONG LIKE CRAZY CLEAN FOOD BECAUSE YOUR STIOMACK DIDNT EVEN FEEL THE NEED FOR JUNK FOOD BECAUSE THE DRUG MADE YOU HUNGRY AND YOU CAN EAT A LIVE PIG....YOU THINK EVERYTHING IS FINE ,,,YET WASKING UP AT 5 AM DUE TO SEVERE HUNGER AND GOT TO HAVE EGGWHITES AND SOME PENUT BUTTER OR SOME MORE NUTRITION,,
THAT MY FRIENDS! IS REAL LEGIT DIANABOL ,,THAT IS WHAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU USE ANABOLS ,,
IF YOU DONT WAKE UP EARLY MORNING WANTING TO FUCK YOUR GIRLFRIEND TO PIECES AND SIMPLY RAPE HER,,,AND WANTING TO EAT AT THE SAME TIME 2 MEALS ,,YOU SIMPLY DO NOT USE REAL LEGIT PHARMA HUMAN GRADE DIANABOL ,,,
99% OF DIANABOL FROM UNDERGROUND IS FAKE AND BUNK AND SEV\ERELY UNDERDOSED,,
ONLY USE HUMAN GRADE HORMONES !
WHEN YOU ARE ON DIANABOL YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE GOD AMONG HUMANS ,,YOU ARE ALWAYS HUNGRY ,,YOU CAN DOWN 10 MEALS A DAY ,,AND! ALL THAT BY ONLY TAKING 4-6 TABLETS ,,,
THIS IS REAL HORMONES FOR YOU MY FRIENDS
I feel this way all the time, always hungry as hell (eat 8-9 times a day) and I'm always horney as fuck.....never taken a steroid in my life.....
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I feel this way all the time, always hungry as hell (eat 8-9 times a day) and I'm always horney as fuck.....never taken a steroid in my life.....
you are a walking dianabol pill ;D
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THIs info from GH15 is 100% real deal on what to expect from real Dbol.
Every F'ing detail is spot on.
Anyone whos says he's not a legit BBer/ steroid expert is a clown thats never had unlimited access to real HG aas where its OTC legal.
All this shit here on G.B. about "Im on 50mg ed of Dbol and wondering when it kicks in...". ::)
Standard reply...."Oh, it varries, for sum guys it takes a few weeks...". ::)
Well, maybee the 2nd guy has a interest in making them believe.... Whatever....
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I feel this way all the time, always hungry as hell (eat 8-9 times a day) and I'm always horney as fuck.....never taken a steroid in my life.....
Youd be 2X as bad on Dbol then. YOu'd also likely swell very nice.
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you are a walking dianabol pill ;D
Imagine if I actually took D-Bol, I would have to eat every half hour and fuck a bitch every hour on the hour ....
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What sides did you experience?
I've used it numerous times...made decent gains using it. However, it always, and I mean every single time without fail, makes me extremely lethargic...gives me terrible headaches, sometimes to the point of nauseating migraines...it also bloats me way beyond what is acceptable in terms of simply feeling comfortable.
Like I mentioned, anadrol does not do this to me at all...nothing but positive things to say about anadrol.
Keep in mind, not everyone is effected by dbol like I am...far from it. Most can use it without a single problem...for whatever reason, I'm not one of them.
Have you done oral only cycle(s) ?
No, never have. All of my cycles are either all injectable or injectable with some orals mixed in.
I'm not a fan of oral only cycles. You can make some gains off of oral only cycles...people;e that say you can't are full of it. Even so, it's not the most effective way to use AAS and in terms of what you spend your money on, if you were going to use AAS and if you were only going to use one item, you'd be best served to simply run a cycle of testosterone.
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another compound that has a similar effect on immediate body change fotr many people is tren.. when i took tren it was immediate.. body changes and strength went through the roof..
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I said it and you are without a doubt you are very wrong. Tylenol can and has been deadly to the liver even at the recommended dose in people who are fasting or not eating much due to illness. You need to do a little research and keep up with the latest findings about acetaminophen. Any Dr should know this!!!!
Every time you take Tylenol or another drug containing acetaminophen, a small part of the drug will be converted into a toxin that can cause severe liver damage. Under normal circumstances, a bodily chemical known as glutathione conjugates and binds with the toxin to render it harmless. However, in certain cases, too much of the toxin is produced and not enough glutathione is available to detoxify it. People who have the flu, a stomach virus, a toothache, or who are not eating normally for another reason can suffer liver failure in as little as one week's time when taking Tylenol or another drug containing acetaminophen. This has happened already in a few people who were taking the recommended dose for only a couple of days.
Well made points but you are hardly comparing like with like. Healthy, young weight trainers with sick/fasting people. There are risks to taking almost any medication long or short term. Acetominophen(paracetemol in europe) is very danerous in overdose and causes irriversible liver damage and your points about normal use are also true but adverse effects in people using it for headaches, hanovers, cold or flus are very, very rare. Flu and cold remedies sell in the milions. My arguement that saying a heavy cycle of orals compared to ordinary use of paracetemol is like sweets to your liver is crap. You are correct to highlight that paracetemol can be very danerous and shouldn't be taken excessively or routinely but you should not give the impression that someone using roids can relax safe in the knowledge that it's nothing compared to taking tylenol.
I am not very judgemental when it comes to roids. i have seen biochemical evidence of changes pre and post cycle. Millions of people with chronic ill health use paracetemol regularily eg arthritis with almost zero side effect burden on patients or health service in terms of liver faiure.
regards,
the Doc
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How much will I gain on 30MG of BD dbol per day for 30 days? Discuss.
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D-bol alone is a good cycle. Tylenol will kill your liver. Compared to Tylenol, D-bol is a sugar pill as far as your liver goes. Yes, some love Drol more than D-bol. Less water, but some have worse sides. Depends on the person.
You can say this because you checked LFTs and albumin levels before and after D - bol and then compared it to Tylenol and looked for statistical significance ::) You so called "gurus", are exactly why bodybuilding has become a joke and a freak show. D-bol occupies cytochrome p450 and many other cytochromes MUCH more than tylenol, not that tylenol is not toxic to the liver. LFTs are always checked when giving oral anabolics, this is starded of care in most American hospitals. In fact, when you deal with cancer patients, status post chemo, and give them ORAL anabolics, such as D-bol, LFTs along with albumin are always checked. However, LFTs do not have to be checked with tylenol, assuming the patient is not overdosing on tylenol, which sadly is not always checked. No offence Disgusted, do not make blank statements without really understanding what you are talking about. Then again this is very typical of "drug gurus." Human beings should not be used as lab rats for you "gurus" to test your absurd theories on. Let the real doctors deal with real science.
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
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Superdrol or dbol guys?
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Well made points but you are hardly comparing like with like.
Healthy, young weight trainers with sick/fasting people. There are risks to taking almost any medication long or short term. Acetominophen(paracetemol in europe) is very danerous in overdose and causes irriversible liver damage and your points about normal use are also true but adverse effects in people using it for headaches, hanovers, cold or flus are very, very rare. Not true. Many here in the US have needed liver transplants just using it for hangovers at recommened doses once or twice a week. This is exactly why there is a warning now on the label. Flu and cold remedies sell in the milions. and there are MANY deaths because of these drugs and not because of abuse. My arguement that saying a heavy cycle of orals compared to ordinary use of paracetemol is like sweets to your liver is crap. You are correct to highlight that paracetemol can be very danerous and shouldn't be taken excessively or routinely but you should not give the impression that someone using roids can relax safe in the knowledge that it's nothing compared to taking tylenol. That's exactly what I am saying. I have never known anyone who has needed a liver transplant because they took 50 mgs of dbol or 100mgs of drol for a few months. BTW, it's not just sick people who don't eat, it's also BB's who diet for shows. I wonder how many BB who are taking tylenol for aches and pains while contest dieting who may end up needing are liver tranplant and have it blamed on dbol?I am not very judgemental when it comes to roids. i have seen biochemical evidence of changes pre and post cycle. So have I and it is nearly impossible to get accurate readings on liver enzymes, CK levels and kidney due to the fact that these guys are breaking down muscle tissue to such a great degree. Millionds of people with chronic ill health use paracetemol regularily eg arthritis with almost zero side effect burden on patients or health service in terms of liver faiure. Statement of opinion not fact since there is no way to test liver enzymes on these millions of people. regards,
the Doc
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You can say this because you checked LFTs and albumin levels before and after D - bol and then compared it to Tylenol and looked for statistical significance ::) You so called "gurus", are exactly why bodybuilding has become a joke and a freak show. D-bol occupies cytochrome p450 and many other cytochromes MUCH more than tylenol, not that tylenol is not toxic to the liver. LFTs are always checked when giving oral anabolics, this is starded of care in most American hospitals. In fact, when you deal with cancer patients, status post chemo, and give them ORAL anabolics, such as D-bol, LFTs along with albumin are always checked. However, LFTs do not have to be checked with tylenol, assuming the patient is not overdosing on tylenol, which sadly is not always checked. No offence Disgusted, do not make blank statements without really understanding what you are talking about. Then again this is very typical of "drug gurus." Human beings should not be used as lab rats for you "gurus" to test your absurd theories on. Let the real doctors deal with real science.
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
Insulting me does not make you look any more credible. ::) BTW, as I stated above, BB at times eat very little and they also fast to some degree. Your cytochrome p450 reference is bullshit, but here's a little info for you concerning cytochrome p450 and tylenol anyway Dr. ::)
Many commentators believe the frequent, regular use of alcohol (ethanol), when combined with APAP, "revs-up" the cytochrome P450 system producing higher quantities of the harmful metabolite/NAPQI. While this may be true, and warnings are now contained on the labels of APAP-containing products relative to dangers associated with liver damage from the use of alcohol and APAP, a growing body of evidence seems to indicate the more significant causal factor is nutrition, i.e., "fasting". Chronic alcoholics are notorious for poor nutrition and diet - often replacing food with liquid. However, retrospective studies going back over the last ten (10) years indicate a relationship between fasting, APAP, little to infrequent use of alcohol by patients, and liver damage. This includes patients who are most typically unable to eat due to nausea from the flu or flu-like symptoms, stomach virus, dental pain, and the like. Moreover, basic science studies performed and repeated over the last two plus decades add additional support to the fasting connection.
What appears to happen under these circumstances is that the "traffic" of APAP along the "expressways" of glucuronidation and sulfation slow down, and exit onto the "access road", the cytochrome P-450, CYP 2E1 pathway. Concurrent with this phenomenon is that levels of glutathione begin to become depleted, at least the glutathione available to conjugate, bind with and detoxify NAPQI. The net effect is that a patient winds up with more NAPQI, less glutathione for detoxification, and the liver's defenses are ultimately overrun and defeated. Liver death soon follows, as well as the patient's very life, unless a successful transplant is accomplished. Even if the fortuitous, successful transplant occurs, you may likely be left with a brain-damaged client who will need expensive anti-rejection drugs (that carry with them a host of potential complications, including subsequent kidney dysfunction), among other things, for the rest of their life.
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Insulting me does not make you look any more credible. ::) BTW, as I stated above, BB at times eat very little and they also fast to some degree. Your cytochrome p450 reference is bullshit, but here's a little info for you concerning cytochrome p450 and tylenol anyway Dr. ::)
Many commentators believe the frequent, regular use of alcohol (ethanol), when combined with APAP, "revs-up" the cytochrome P450 system producing higher quantities of the harmful metabolite/NAPQI. While this may be true, and warnings are now contained on the labels of APAP-containing products relative to dangers associated with liver damage from the use of alcohol and APAP, a growing body of evidence seems to indicate the more significant causal factor is nutrition, i.e., "fasting". Chronic alcoholics are notorious for poor nutrition and diet - often replacing food with liquid. However, retrospective studies going back over the last ten (10) years indicate a relationship between fasting, APAP, little to infrequent use of alcohol by patients, and liver damage. This includes patients who are most typically unable to eat due to nausea from the flu or flu-like symptoms, stomach virus, dental pain, and the like. Moreover, basic science studies performed and repeated over the last two plus decades add additional support to the fasting connection.
What appears to happen under these circumstances is that the "traffic" of APAP along the "expressways" of glucuronidation and sulfation slow down, and exit onto the "access road", the cytochrome P-450, CYP 2E1 pathway. Concurrent with this phenomenon is that levels of glutathione begin to become depleted, at least the glutathione available to conjugate, bind with and detoxify NAPQI. The net effect is that a patient winds up with more NAPQI, less glutathione for detoxification, and the liver's defenses are ultimately overrun and defeated. Liver death soon follows, as well as the patient's very life, unless a successful transplant is accomplished. Even if the fortuitous, successful transplant occurs, you may likely be left with a brain-damaged client who will need expensive anti-rejection drugs (that carry with them a host of potential complications, including subsequent kidney dysfunction), among other things, for the rest of their life.
Jim...................umm can you translate that into English for me?
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Insulting me does not make you look any more credible. ::) BTW, as I stated above, BB at times eat very little and they also fast to some degree. Your cytochrome p450 reference is bullshit, but here's a little info for you concerning cytochrome p450 and tylenol anyway Dr. ::)
Many commentators believe the frequent, regular use of alcohol (ethanol), when combined with APAP, "revs-up" the cytochrome P450 system producing higher quantities of the harmful metabolite/NAPQI. While this may be true, and warnings are now contained on the labels of APAP-containing products relative to dangers associated with liver damage from the use of alcohol and APAP, a growing body of evidence seems to indicate the more significant causal factor is nutrition, i.e., "fasting". Chronic alcoholics are notorious for poor nutrition and diet - often replacing food with liquid. However, retrospective studies going back over the last ten (10) years indicate a relationship between fasting, APAP, little to infrequent use of alcohol by patients, and liver damage. This includes patients who are most typically unable to eat due to nausea from the flu or flu-like symptoms, stomach virus, dental pain, and the like. Moreover, basic science studies performed and repeated over the last two plus decades add additional support to the fasting connection.
What appears to happen under these circumstances is that the "traffic" of APAP along the "expressways" of glucuronidation and sulfation slow down, and exit onto the "access road", the cytochrome P-450, CYP 2E1 pathway. Concurrent with this phenomenon is that levels of glutathione begin to become depleted, at least the glutathione available to conjugate, bind with and detoxify NAPQI. The net effect is that a patient winds up with more NAPQI, less glutathione for detoxification, and the liver's defenses are ultimately overrun and defeated. Liver death soon follows, as well as the patient's very life, unless a successful transplant is accomplished. Even if the fortuitous, successful transplant occurs, you may likely be left with a brain-damaged client who will need expensive anti-rejection drugs (that carry with them a host of potential complications, including subsequent kidney dysfunction), among other things, for the rest of their life.
First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this. You can site molecular pathways all you want, but you still have not answered my question. Are you familiar with the CLINICAL effects of taking ORAL anabolic steroids? LFTs are AST and ALT, at a very basic level, they indicate liver cell death. Albumin is a measure of liver function, are you keeping up, or do you want me to recite a basic molecular pathway to make my self look smarter? ::) With oral anabolics, the first metabolic pass is always through the portal system, the portal system is your liver's blood circulation. LFTs will always increase and albumin decrease in MOST individuals who take oral anablics like D-bol. Anotherwords, you will experience liver cell death and your will liver function is not optimal. Like previous posters have confirmed, this is not the case with Tylenol, not that liver failure can not occur, it is just that it is statistically insignificant. Trying to imply that oral D-bol has less hepatic side effects than Tylenol, is just a MYTH, used by gurus to encourage and justify anabolic use. You last clinical statements are quite comical. Do you know why there is a decrease in mental status with a failed liver??? By the way if you say ammonia levels, you are only partly correct, a REAL doctor will tell you why, and i do not have the time for that. This thread and lack of knowledge and spewing of false science again confirms my belief that gurus like yourself Disgusted just exploit individuals for your own again. Is this how you justify oral anabolic use to your clients? I hope to God, some of them may read this post and educate themselves about what they are doing. The funny thing is that even though I disagree with what gh posts, at least he is very open about the side effects of these anabolics. Which makes me wonder, what is worse, a lying guru or a truthful dealer?
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
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How much will I gain on 30MG of BD dbol per day for 30 days? Discuss.
Why don't you tell us?
That pic in your avatar is after such a cycle, right?
Come on, answer me. You've avoided this for awhile. :D ;D
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First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this. You can site molecular pathways all you want, but you still have not answered my question. Are you familiar with the CLINICAL effects of taking ORAL anabolic steroids? LFTs are AST and ALT, at a very basic level, they indicate liver cell death. Albumin is a measure of liver function, are you keeping up, or do you want me to recite a basic molecular pathway to make my self look smarter? ::) With oral anabolics, the first metabolic pass is always through the portal system, the portal system is your liver's blood circulation. LFTs will always increase and albumin decrease in MOST individuals who take oral anablics like D-bol. Anotherwords, you will experience liver cell death and your will liver function is not optimal. Like previous posters have confirmed, this is not the case with Tylenol, not that liver failure can not occur, it is just that it is statistically insignificant. Trying to imply that oral D-bol has less hepatic side effects than Tylenol, is just a MYTH, used by gurus to encourage and justify anabolic use. You last clinical statements are quite comical. Do you know why there is a decrease in mental status with a failed liver??? By the way if you say ammonia levels, you are only partly correct, a REAL doctor will tell you why, and i do not have the time for that. This thread and lack of knowledge and spewing of false science again confirms my belief that gurus like yourself Disgusted just exploit individuals for your own again. Is this how you justify oral anabolic use to your clients? I hope to God, some of them may read this post and educate themselves about what they are doing. The funny thing is that even though I disagree with what gh posts, at least he is very open about the side effects of these anabolics. Which makes me wonder, what is worse, a lying guru or a truthful dealer?
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
Are you pitorthodoc from Musclemayhem?
I'm not a doctor but isn't GGT a more important marker to look at in oral steroid using bodybuilders?
Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity that were based on aminotransferase elevations may have overstated the role of anabolic steroids. Correspondingly, the medical community may have been led to emphasize anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity and disregard muscle damage when interpreting elevated aminotransferase levels. Therefore, when evaluating enzyme elevations in patients who use anabolic steroids, physicians should consider the CK and GGT levels as essential elements in distinguishing muscle damage from liver damage.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11476029?dopt=Abstract
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no. Nps as in Naposim made by Terapia Cluj , is one of the best dianabol in the world if not THE best . thai pinks, Naposim , are all the same dianabol. Russians as gh 15 calls them , I believe he refers to a mix od dianabol and methyl testosterone very popular in eastern europe about until 10 years ago . they were the shit. No longer produces. Hopes this clarify your query.
Thai Bluehearts ( 12mg's a pill ) will rock your world.
The Beef
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First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this. You can site molecular pathways all you want, but you still have not answered my question. Are you familiar with the CLINICAL effects of taking ORAL anabolic steroids? LFTs are AST and ALT, at a very basic level, they indicate liver cell death. Albumin is a measure of liver function, are you keeping up, or do you want me to recite a basic molecular pathway to make my self look smarter? ::) With oral anabolics, the first metabolic pass is always through the portal system, the portal system is your liver's blood circulation. LFTs will always increase and albumin decrease in MOST individuals who take oral anablics like D-bol. Anotherwords, you will experience liver cell death and your will liver function is not optimal. Like previous posters have confirmed, this is not the case with Tylenol, not that liver failure can not occur, it is just that it is statistically insignificant. Trying to imply that oral D-bol has less hepatic side effects than Tylenol, is just a MYTH, used by gurus to encourage and justify anabolic use. You last clinical statements are quite comical. Do you know why there is a decrease in mental status with a failed liver??? By the way if you say ammonia levels, you are only partly correct, a REAL doctor will tell you why, and i do not have the time for that. This thread and lack of knowledge and spewing of false science again confirms my belief that gurus like yourself Disgusted just exploit individuals for your own again. Is this how you justify oral anabolic use to your clients? I hope to God, some of them may read this post and educate themselves about what they are doing. The funny thing is that even though I disagree with what gh posts, at least he is very open about the side effects of these anabolics. Which makes me wonder, what is worse, a lying guru or a truthful dealer?
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
That was a major owning.
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First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this.
bodybuildermdpitt
I can't either. ::)
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First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this. You can site molecular pathways all you want, but you still have not answered my question. Are you familiar with the CLINICAL effects of taking ORAL anabolic steroids? LFTs are AST and ALT, at a very basic level, they indicate liver cell death. Albumin is a measure of liver function, are you keeping up, or do you want me to recite a basic molecular pathway to make my self look smarter? ::) With oral anabolics, the first metabolic pass is always through the portal system, the portal system is your liver's blood circulation. LFTs will always increase and albumin decrease in MOST individuals who take oral anablics like D-bol. Anotherwords, you will experience liver cell death and your will liver function is not optimal. Like previous posters have confirmed, this is not the case with Tylenol, not that liver failure can not occur, it is just that it is statistically insignificant. Trying to imply that oral D-bol has less hepatic side effects than Tylenol, is just a MYTH, used by gurus to encourage and justify anabolic use. You last clinical statements are quite comical. Do you know why there is a decrease in mental status with a failed liver??? By the way if you say ammonia levels, you are only partly correct, a REAL doctor will tell you why, and i do not have the time for that. This thread and lack of knowledge and spewing of false science again confirms my belief that gurus like yourself Disgusted just exploit individuals for your own again. Is this how you justify oral anabolic use to your clients? I hope to God, some of them may read this post and educate themselves about what they are doing. The funny thing is that even though I disagree with what gh posts, at least he is very open about the side effects of these anabolics. Which makes me wonder, what is worse, a lying guru or a truthful dealer?
cheers,
bodybuildermdpitt
MD my ass. No dr woud not puch-u8 ;D
Joker clown.
Could be a Md though. They know least about AAS.
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Jim...................umm can you translate that into English for me?
I can't since I'm just a drug advocating Guru dealer, what the Hell would I know. ;D It doesn't really matter Mike since I was responding to Mr smartypants. I stand by what I said earlier about Dbol being way safer and less harsh on the liver than Tylenol. That is all I meant, but there are people on here who love to take the opportunity and try to show off with all their supposed knowledge by talkng over most people's heads and using medical jargon to make themselves look smart. And supposedly I'm the one with an ego. ::) Actually all the bullshit that was posted was not even relavent to what I said.
I'll break it down. Back when Dbol was made by Ciba it was made in 5mg tabs. Now, Tylenol is I believe made in 500mg tabs. The recommened dose for Dbol was around 10mgs per day.(yes, some take way more and still never need a transplant) For Tylenol it's around 1000mgs. At the recommened dose for Tylenol people have had liver problems to the point of needing a transplant. Granted some were CASUAL drinkers and other were not eating much do to either being sick or for other reasons and like I said some bodybuilders in the precontest stage will eat very litte and sometimes fast. For these guys taking Tylenol for aches and pains may be deadly.
I do not advocate drug use of any kind and I am not a Guru, but I would certainly rather take 50mgs of Dbol daily for 6 weeks than 1000mgs of Tylenol for 6 weeks given the choice.
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Just FYI. About one month ago a friend of mine had some blood work done. He was on Dbol and a little test enan. His liver enzymes were slightly elevated and his CK was I believe around 1000. The Dr was concerned about his CK even though he told his Doc that he lifted the day before. So he was to go back in 2 weeks for more tests. He decided to NOT lift for those two weeks, BUT to stay on the Dbol and test. The second set of blood test showed his CK levels down to around 300 and his liver enzymes were NORMAL.
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Ive taken Drol and Dbol TOGETHER and tested liver. REAL HG.
Highrange normal on liver value. Dr said dont waste money on another test, its the juice, will go back to normal.
Fear is overblown. Get tests/
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How much will I gain on 30MG of BD dbol per day for 30 days? Discuss.
bd? you wont get anything,,bunk,,youre canadian ,,you need to stop or reduce working yoru arms and delts,,those are strong points with canadians ,,you need to work rest of your body and if you use dianabol use only human grade,,continure to work your arms and delts when yoru other body poarts catch up and when you look more symetrical and proportionate
human grade dianabol such as anabol = 10lb per first 2-3 days if eating right and from then on about 3-4 lb per week
underground dianabol = 5lb of water weight becuase your heart really want to believe its real so you work extra hard and eat extra hard and stiop at 5lb
legit dinabaol as in real pharmacutical dianabol made ,,can and will produce up to 40lb gains in a bodybuilder in matter of 8 weeks
also throw the super drol whatever the fuck that thing is to the toilet and flash
good luck
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bd? you wont get anything,,bunk,,youre canadian ,,you need to stop or reduce working yoru arms and delts,,those are strong points with canadians ,,you need to work rest of your body and if you use dianabol use only human grade,,continure to work your arms and delts when yoru other body poarts catch up and when you look more symetrical and proportionate
human grade dianabol such as anabol = 10lb per first 2-3 days if eating right and from then on about 3-4 lb per week
underground dianabol = 5lb of water weight becuase your heart really want to believe its real so you work extra hard and eat extra hard and stiop at 5lb
legit dinabaol as in real pharmacutical dianabol made ,,can and will produce up to 40lb gains in a bodybuilder in matter of 8 weeks
also throw the super drol whatever the fuck that thing is to the toilet and flash flush
good luck
hello brother15
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Are any of the pro figure/fitness women taking it?
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bd? you wont get anything,,bunk,,youre canadian ,,you need to stop or reduce working yoru arms and delts,,those are strong points with canadians ,,you need to work rest of your body and if you use dianabol use only human grade,,continure to work your arms and delts when yoru other body poarts catch up and when you look more symetrical and proportionate
human grade dianabol such as anabol = 10lb per first 2-3 days if eating right and from then on about 3-4 lb per week
underground dianabol = 5lb of water weight becuase your heart really want to believe its real so you work extra hard and eat extra hard and stiop at 5lb
legit dinabaol as in real pharmacutical dianabol made ,,can and will produce up to 40lb gains in a bodybuilder in matter of 8 weeks
also throw the super drol whatever the fuck that thing is to the toilet and flash
good luck
hahahahhaaaaa LOL!! ;D
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also remember that any guy you see around that been jumping from 200lb to 260lb out of the blue...is using.....you got that right...dianabol ,,legit pharmacutical dianabol tablets either anabol naposim etc,,ofcourse when someone go up to 260 from 200lb he also used insulin but i can assure you 100% that from 200lb to climb up to 230lb in a super fast time you only need the following
6 tablets a day of 5 mg legit dianabol (no ug garbage)
little arimidex for bloat purposes
200lb to 230 lb in 28 days,,A PROMISE
*got to eat right but dont worry when on real dianabol you wont be able to close your mouth it is food all day long bordering 5000calories a day ,,and good calories
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also remember that any guy you see around that been jumping from 200lb to 260lb out of the blue...is using.....you got that right...dianabol ,,legit pharmacutical dianabol tablets either anabol naposim etc,,ofcourse when someone go up to 260 from 200lb he also used insulin but i can assure you 100% that from 200lb to climb up to 230lb in a super fast time you only need the following
6 tablets a day of 5 mg legit dianabol (no ug garbage)
little arimidex for bloat purposes
200lb to 230 lb in 28 days,,A PROMISE
*got to eat right but dont worry when on real dianabol you wont be able to close your mouth it is food all day long bordering 5000calories a day ,,and good calories
Did you ever fuck some fitness girls?
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Did you ever fuck some fitness girls?
His pee-pee doesn't work from all the drugs.
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His pee-pee doesn't work from all the drugs.
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His pee-pee doesn't work from all the drugs.
What's to say he doesn't use viagra for that?
Next he'll give advice on viagra and cialas.
"3 TABS LEGIT PHARA HUMON GRAD VIAGRE WILL MAKE U FUCK YOU GF HARD MORNING TILL NIGHT"
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What's to say he doesn't use viagra for that?
Next he'll give advice on viagra and cialas.
"3 TABS LEGIT PHARA HUMON GRAD VIAGRE WILL MAKE U FUCK YOU GF HARD MORNING TILL NIGHT"
looooooooooool
seriously are you GH15? thats like gh15 himself lol
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What's to say he doesn't use viagra for that?
Next he'll give advice on viagra and cialas.
"3 TABS LEGIT PHARA HUMON GRAD VIAGRE WILL MAKE U FUCK YOU GF HARD MORNING TILL NIGHT"
hahaha ;D
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looooooooooool
seriously are you GH15? thats like gh15 himself lol
Maek sur to cycle cialas in if you fuck trannies at expos.. Also keep nolvadex and hcg on hand to keep testicoles bouncy.
SILLIE AMRIEKAN VOTE MCCAIN IF YU WANT LEGIT PHARMA GRAD HORMONE!
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Maek sur to cycle cialas in if you fuck trannies at expos.. Also keep nolvadex and hcg on hand to keep testicoles bouncy.
SILLIE AMRIEKAN VOTE MCCAIN IF YU WANT LEGIT PHARMA GRAD HORMONE!
lmao
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Thai Bluehearts ( 12mg's a pill ) will rock your world.
The Beef
Never used them but heard great things, what do you guys think about the hearts??
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also remember that any guy you see around that been jumping from 200lb to 260lb out of the blue...is using.....you got that right...dianabol ,,legit pharmacutical dianabol tablets either anabol naposim etc,,ofcourse when someone go up to 260 from 200lb he also used insulin but i can assure you 100% that from 200lb to climb up to 230lb in a super fast time you only need the following
6 tablets a day of 5 mg legit dianabol (no ug garbage)
little arimidex for bloat purposes
200lb to 230 lb in 28 days,,A PROMISE
*got to eat right but dont worry when on real dianabol you wont be able to close your mouth it is food all day long bordering 5000calories a day ,,and good calories
gh15 what did arnold and the other fellas back in the 70s take? can u be specific.
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cool and interesting thread that i am posting in
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gh15, honest question here:
A D-bol pill, or any pill of anything, that only has a 5 mg dose will obviously be mixed with other powder as well, because 5 mg of pure dbol or any element would be waaay too small of a pill, it would be not much bigger than a speck of dust. An actual small pill that has 5 mg of any element in it is probably mixed with (rough guess), about 100 mg of other powder so that it can be practically picked up and handled.
I could understand if pure dbol melts in your mouth, but who knows what other powder is being used in various dbol pills to mix it with. If one UGL mixes it with a powder that does nto melt in your mouth, that wouldn't mean that the 5 mg of dbol in that powder is fake does it?
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gh15, honest question here:
A D-bol pill, or any pill of anything, that only has a 5 mg dose will obviously be mixed with other powder as well, because 5 mg of pure dbol or any element would be waaay too small of a pill, it would be not much bigger than a speck of dust. An actual small pill that has 5 mg of any element in it is probably mixed with (rough guess), about 100 mg of other powder so that it can be practically picked up and handled.
I could understand if pure dbol melts in your mouth, but who knows what other powder is being used in various dbol pills to mix it with. If one UGL mixes it with a powder that does nto melt in your mouth, that wouldn't mean that the 5 mg of dbol in that powder is fake does it?
what a retarded fucking question.
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what a retarded fucking question.
Why? Seems like a reasonable q.
And it's the first time in a long time he didn't speak of N, so I give it a thumbs up.
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that dbol complete garbage
ROFL . . . Kids ::)
The Beef
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you need to stop or reduce working yoru arms and delts,,those are strong points with canadians
bullshit ;D
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Never used them but heard great things, what do you guys think about the hearts??
original blue hearts were legit,,anything from 2005 should be fine ,,again gh15 do not consider copys made by ip as originals,,thus anything today come from ip in the shape of blue hearts or pentagon should be taken with grain of salt,,ip is NOT HUMAN GRADE MANUFACTOR
only 2 dianabols i can 100% approve now days are naposim and dianabol ,,the rest are too risky of a buy and in most cases fakes
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gh15 what did arnold and the other fellas back in the 70s take? can u be specific.
arnold used russian dianabol ,,testosterone in LITTLE AMPOULS and nandrolone decanoate in LITTLE AMPOULS ,,exactly what we use today with less worries about fakes because there were no fakes ,,you just went to pharma and bought them ,,
then when he came to america he used american products made in american pharma,,all were not controlled so there was no need for the europian contient although he still liked and always used russian dianabols no matter what us had to offer
in simple words,,arnold and 70s bodybuilders used human grade products with minimal use of vet grade products that increased later into the 80s
mexican big time scene arrived in the 80s and mexican products although hurting and in general dirty and god knows what else,,were about 5 to 10 times better than underground garbage the kids today sell you of narcotics powders and other mislabeled shit i wouldnt give to a rat
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what a retarded fucking question.
Watch it "sarcastic," if you keep up that attitude I will turn this into a Nasser thread ;D
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gh15, honest question here:
A D-bol pill, or any pill of anything, that only has a 5 mg dose will obviously be mixed with other powder as well, because 5 mg of pure dbol or any element would be waaay too small of a pill, it would be not much bigger than a speck of dust. An actual small pill that has 5 mg of any element in it is probably mixed with (rough guess), about 100 mg of other powder so that it can be practically picked up and handled.
I could understand if pure dbol melts in your mouth, but who knows what other powder is being used in various dbol pills to mix it with. If one UGL mixes it with a powder that does nto melt in your mouth, that wouldn't mean that the 5 mg of dbol in that powder is fake does it?
when it comes to underground tablets you must understand that they work from word of mouth ,,there is no quality control ,,its all done in basment of trailers ,,usually by kids who eat their lunch of get blow jobs from their local whore 30 min before they get back to work ,,this all would be ok if the powder used would be good but the powder that need to give you those 5 mg in 90% cases do not give you those 5 mg because they are low quality low purity powders of 50-60% purity IF those kids even get the right powder which they have no clue because the china criminal who ship it to them wether they are in china or america as in wether they are international undrground or american one,,the person who ship them the powders is not their brother and could care less about anything other than profit since he and in many cases she knows that the americans dont have no relaiable labs to check anything and its all internet bullcrap with no ability to check the powders,,
so they all send to the american 'undergroiund lab' powders that when it comes to aas and hgh is usually very low grade and in many cases bunk and not the powder ordered or mislabeled,,there is no quality control and no supervision ,,there is NO GOD when it comes to this type of business,,
NOW with research companies it is a little different SINCE THEY ARE OK FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES AND THEY OBEY BY LAW IN MAJORITY OF CAES AND MAKE SURE TO WRITE ON PRODUCTS THAT ITS NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION AND THEY WORK PRETTY LEGIT OPERTIION ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO AMERICA,,so it is ok for researcher to buy from them and in most cases their products are ok and dosed with acceptable limits,,they also dose it very high inorder to make sure they are covered on all aspects ,,as in they give you 1 mg of arimidex for 30 ml of liquid that in reality may be 0.5 mg of arimidex per ml but guess what ,,,even .25 mg of arimixed every third day will do the trick and will result in the limited estrogen production youre looking for ,,so those companyes are ok and approved for research...
when it comes to legit aas you just can not get it from underground because they dont have the poweder quality or the process and mixing quality or the actual chemists that work for commercial lab quality ,,or the STERILE ENVIROMENT NEEDED,,or the equipment needed for bulk accurtate production ,,or the fda or any other worlkd agency approval,,they work from word of mouth and bro type deals coming from 20 to 30 year old miguided fellas that are bodybuilders that really want to suceeed and bodybuilding is really important to them thus they fall for this big scam that i consider the bigest scam since the internet created when it comes to SPORTS,,because this scam is already in the 100s of millions of dollars,,thats quite big scam for internet era
the only thing underground labs care about....is the label ,,they want shiney labels becuas they know timmy boy will love this shiny label and timmy boy will be impressed with the nice shiney vial,,,trust me in 90% of cases it is scams,,the other 10% give you some product few of them even give you actual right dose most and they are the smaller underground individual that cook it from their kitchen and have the RIGHT connections,,but even they can not give you anything EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO HUMAN GRADE PHARMACUTICAL
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when it comes to underground tablets you must understand that they work from word of mouth ,,there is no quality control ,,its all done in basment of trailers ,,usually by kids who eat their lunch of get blow jobs from their local whore 30 min before they get back to work ,,this all would be ok if the powder used would be good but the powder that need to give you those 5 mg in 90% cases do not give you those 5 mg because they are low quality low purity powders of 50-60% purity IF those kids even get the right powder which they have no clue because the china criminal who ship it to them wether they are in china or america as in wether they are international undrground or american one,,the person who ship them the powders is not their brother and could care less about anything other than profit since he and in many cases she knows that the americans dont have no relaiable labs to check anything and its all internet bullcrap with no ability to check the powders,,
so they all send to the american 'undergroiund lab' powders that when it comes to aas and hgh is usually very low grade and in many cases bunk and not the powder ordered or mislabeled,,there is no quality control and no supervision ,,there is NO GOD when it comes to this type of business,,
NOW with research companies it is a little different SINCE THEY ARE OK FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES AND THEY OBEY BY LAW IN MAJORITY OF CAES AND MAKE SURE TO WRITE ON PRODUCTS THAT ITS NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION AND THEY WORK PRETTY LEGIT OPERTIION ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO AMERICA,,so it is ok for researcher to buy from them and in most cases their products are ok and dosed with acceptable limits,,they also dose it very high inorder to make sure they are covered on all aspects ,,as in they give you 1 mg of arimidex for 30 ml of liquid that in reality may be 0.5 mg of arimidex per ml but guess what ,,,even .25 mg of arimixed every third day will do the trick and will result in the limited estrogen production youre looking for ,,so those companyes are ok and approved for research...
when it comes to legit aas you just can not get it from underground because they dont have the poweder quality or the process and mixing quality or the actual chemists that work for commercial lab quality ,,or the STERILE ENVIROMENT NEEDED,,or the equipment needed for bulk accurtate production ,,or the fda or any other worlkd agency approval,,they work from word of mouth and bro type deals coming from 20 to 30 year old miguided fellas that are bodybuilders that really want to suceeed and bodybuilding is really important to them thus they fall for this big scam that i consider the bigest scam since the internet created when it comes to SPORTS,,because this scam is already in the 100s of millions of dollars,,thats quite big scam for internet era
the only thing underground labs care about....is the label ,,they want shiney labels becuas they know timmy boy will love this shiny label and timmy boy will be impressed with the nice shiney vial,,,trust me in 90% of cases it is scams,,the other 10% give you some product few of them even give you actual right dose most and they are the smaller underground individual that cook it from their kitchen and have the RIGHT connections,,but even they can not give you anything EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO HUMAN GRADE PHARMACUTICAL
Thanks for the insight gh15, but you did not answer my question :) I was simply asking about the belief that you can test a dbol pill as to whether it is real or fake simply by seeing if it melts in your tongue. Thats what I understood from your first post - maybe you meant something else? What I dont understand is how can the "melting test" for dbol be accurate when the majority of a 5 mg dbol pill is not actually dbol? Whether or not it melts would depend on the other powder that is mixed with the 5 mg dbol to ensure that the pill is a practical size that can be handled.
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im not a chemist so the melting is just an observation of what real dianabol in each instance will feel like ,,it will disolve fast with 60 seconds and will do it uniformly,,
the most important thing beside the other signs i gave here is this:
ON LEGIT DIANABOL YOU WILL WAKE UP BEFORE YOUR SUPPOSED WAKIN UP TIME BECAUSE YOULL BE STARVING!
WHEN YOU CHECK THE SCALE 2 DAYS LATER YOU WILL HAVE ON YOU 5 EXTRA POUNDS ,,AFTER A WEEK IT WILL BE 10! YES AT THAT RATE ! AND IT WONT STOP BECAUSE HUNGER WILL CONTINUE AND AFTER 20 DAYS YOU LL BE 20LB BIGGER AND THEN 30LB IT WONT STOP UNTILL YOURE COMPLETELY SATURATED WITH POUNDAGE AND YOUR FRAME CANT TAKE NO MORE!
BY THE WAY THE 5LB PER 2-3 DAYS IS FOR A PERSON WITH THE WORST GENETIC AS YOU CALL IT HARDEST GAINER ON THE PLANET,,GUYS WITH RIGHT FRAME WILL GAIN MORE
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GH! What do you think of Anadrol? I always have heard it is a little better that Dianabol.
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im not a chemist so the melting is just an observation of what real dianabol in each instance will feel like ,,it will disolve fast with 60 seconds and will do it uniformly,,
the most important thing beside the other signs i gave here is this:
ON LEGIT DIANABOL YOU WILL WAKE UP BEFORE YOUR SUPPOSED WAKIN UP TIME BECAUSE YOULL BE STARVING!
WHEN YOU CHECK THE SCALE 2 DAYS LATER YOU WILL HAVE ON YOU 5 EXTRA POUNDS ,,AFTER A WEEK IT WILL BE 10! YES AT THAT RATE ! AND IT WONT STOP BECAUSE HUNGER WILL CONTINUE AND AFTER 20 DAYS YOU LL BE 20LB BIGGER AND THEN 30LB IT WONT STOP UNTILL YOURE COMPLETELY SATURATED WITH POUNDAGE AND YOUR FRAME CANT TAKE NO MORE!
BY THE WAY THE 5LB PER 2-3 DAYS IS FOR A PERSON WITH THE WORST GENETIC AS YOU CALL IT HARDEST GAINER ON THE PLANET,,GUYS WITH RIGHT FRAME WILL GAIN MORE
You don`t have to be a chemist for a simple question like that.
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GH! What do you think of Anadrol? I always have heard it is a little better that Dianabol.
cutting is where id use it ,,its a drug that kep you very full and strong while alories are limited,,when you try to grow id always go with dianabol simply because its a hormone that if you know how to eat right and a bodybuilder ,,you will see out of it a weight gain and a euphoric feeling that no other drug can give you ,,
dianabol simply makes you look like you are the biggest lifter around yet has the lightness of a boxer,,unlike many say legit dianabol does not! make yuo slugish ,,use an ai or ae and you look biggest yet feel lightest,,it is important though to know your bodybuilding before taking dianabol since a diet is a key factor in results from dianabol as for weight will always be gained but the question is what kind of weight and where will it go!
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GH15, what do you think of this
(http://www.freeanabolicsteroidsinfo.com/images/d-bol.25.jpg)
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Can I buy dinabol at RiteAid? ;)
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original blue hearts were legit,,anything from 2005 should be fine ,,again gh15 do not consider copys made by ip as originals,,thus anything today come from ip in the shape of blue hearts or pentagon should be taken with grain of salt,,ip is NOT HUMAN GRADE MANUFACTOR
only 2 dianabols i can 100% approve now days are naposim and dianabol ,,the rest are too risky of a buy and in most cases fakes
So are the blue hearts no good that are available right now??
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gh15 does dbol always have to be used with test........or are dbol only cyles worthwhile?
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gh15 does dbol always have to be used with test........or are dbol only cyles worthwhile?
it should be used with test. otherwise as soon as you run out of dbol you are going to lose all that water weight, plus your natural test production will be shutdown
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it should be used with test. otherwise as soon as you run out of dbol you are going to lose all that water weight, plus your natural test production will be shutdown
No steroid has to be stacked with any other steroid for it to be effective. That's not why they were developed. They are effective as standalone compounds.
Now as to how to maximize the effect of a cycle, that's a different matter. But Dbol only cycles can certainly be effective. The muscle built is not any different than the muscle built with testosterone. Unless you feel Dbol doesn't build any actual muscle, just bloats you up.
As Disgusted said
I got news for you, stop roids and your gains will go away whether they are oral or injects.
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gh15, why do you think all UG products are faked. Considering test and dbol are like $2/gram as a powder there's nothing to be gained by shorting the customer.
And when you say all UG is garbage; what about the lab results posted both by the supplier and a random user (typically a mod) who gets the vials/pills tested?
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Never used them but heard great things, what do you guys think about the hearts??
Its not 12mg but 10mg instead and they are useless.Better stick with the pink hexagon thai anabols.Altho only 5mgs but the impact you get is 10 times better than the blue hearts.TRUTH!
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gh15, why do you think all UG products are faked. Considering test and dbol are like $2/gram as a powder there's nothing to be gained by shorting the customer.
And when you say all UG is garbage; what about the lab results posted both by the supplier and a random user (typically a mod) who gets the vials/pills tested?
Good question. With powders so cheap, and I'm sure the chinks mark that up a lot, where is the incentive to sell bunk? I can understand UG labs cutting products out of greed but why would China make powders so bad? I mean, aren't they themselves heavy users of hormones and HGH? Don't these China labs supply to their own pharmas? If a home brewer gets powder for his own use and has full control of the potency couldn't he make a decent product like is done with finaplex?
Other than China being our sworn enemies and are determined to undermine the US so they can rule the world while poisoning our dogs what's your problem with China?
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Good question. With powders so cheap, and I'm sure the chinks mark that up a lot, where is the incentive to sell bunk? I can understand UG labs cutting products out of greed but why would China make powders so bad? I mean, aren't they themselves heavy users of hormones and HGH? Don't these China labs supply to their own pharmas? If a home brewer gets powder for his own use and has full control of the potency couldn't he make a decent product like is done with finaplex?
Other than China being our sworn enemies and are determined to undermine the US so they can rule the world while poisoning our dogs what's your problem with China?
Do you really believe some idiot without a proper lab and all needed equipment could make the same grade pharmaceuticals as a billion $$ pharmacy corp??
These guys probably mix the roids in the same bathtub they wash their dogs in. Please someone post the pics of some busted UG lab, with all the chinese food boxes, ashtrays and stuff next to the powders and equipment. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Good question. With powders so cheap, and I'm sure the chinks mark that up a lot, where is the incentive to sell bunk? I can understand UG labs cutting products out of greed but why would China make powders so bad? I mean, aren't they themselves heavy users of hormones and HGH? Don't these China labs supply to their own pharmas? If a home brewer gets powder for his own use and has full control of the potency couldn't he make a decent product like is done with finaplex?
Other than China being our sworn enemies and are determined to undermine the US so they can rule the world while poisoning our dogs what's your problem with China?
A lot of powders from China are crap. For example, back when Androsteine came out bout 12 years ago the only thing I thought it was actually good for IMO was as a pre workout stimulant. Anyway, the tabs I had were supposed to be 100mg and they seemed weak so I had then tested and they turned out to be 50mg. The company who made them who I knew very well found that all the tubs they bought were only half real product and the rest filler. This company routinely spent 100's of thousands a year with these China suppliers. You ask why would they do such a thing? Simple, money and you have no recourse as far as a law suit goes. The real danger is whether some of these powders contain any types of metals or other type of toxic impurities.
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GH15, what do you think of this
(http://www.freeanabolicsteroidsinfo.com/images/d-bol.25.jpg)
Alin is very good but gh15 has said nasty things about them/him in the past ???
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GH15, what do you think of this
(http://www.freeanabolicsteroidsinfo.com/images/d-bol.25.jpg)
That's Bulgarian dianabol , and it's available at the pharmacy in bulgaria...odly enough u need a prescription. Otherwise u can buy deca 50 ml and test 50 ml without one....it's the bulgarian equivalent of Naposim and it comes in 5 mg tabs.
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Good question. With powders so cheap, and I'm sure the chinks mark that up a lot, where is the incentive to sell bunk? I can understand UG labs cutting products out of greed but why would China make powders so bad? I mean, aren't they themselves heavy users of hormones and HGH? Don't these China labs supply to their own pharmas? If a home brewer gets powder for his own use and has full control of the potency couldn't he make a decent product like is done with finaplex?
Other than China being our sworn enemies and are determined to undermine the US so they can rule the world while poisoning our dogs what's your problem with China?
greediness,,its common with simple criminals that work in chains,,the real criminals do not sit on usa grounds,,also read what disgusted said and you will find yoru answer
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Well made points but you are hardly comparing like with like.
Healthy, young weight trainers with sick/fasting people. There are risks to taking almost any medication long or short term. Acetominophen(paracetemol in europe) is very danerous in overdose and causes irriversible liver damage and your points about normal use are also true but adverse effects in people using it for headaches, hanovers, cold or flus are very, very rare. Not true. Many here in the US have needed liver transplants just using it for hangovers at recommened doses once or twice a week. This is exactly why there is a warning now on the label. Flu and cold remedies sell in the milions. and there are MANY deaths because of these drugs and not because of abuse. My arguement that saying a heavy cycle of orals compared to ordinary use of paracetemol is like sweets to your liver is crap. You are correct to highlight that paracetemol can be very danerous and shouldn't be taken excessively or routinely but you should not give the impression that someone using roids can relax safe in the knowledge that it's nothing compared to taking tylenol. That's exactly what I am saying. I have never known anyone who has needed a liver transplant because they took 50 mgs of dbol or 100mgs of drol for a few months. BTW, it's not just sick people who don't eat, it's also BB's who diet for shows. I wonder how many BB who are taking tylenol for aches and pains while contest dieting who may end up needing are liver tranplant and have it blamed on dbol?I am not very judgemental when it comes to roids. i have seen biochemical evidence of changes pre and post cycle. So have I and it is nearly impossible to get accurate readings on liver enzymes, CK levels and kidney due to the fact that these guys are breaking down muscle tissue to such a great degree. Millionds of people with chronic ill health use paracetemol regularily eg arthritis with almost zero side effect burden on patients or health service in terms of liver faiure. Statement of opinion not fact since there is no way to test liver enzymes on these millions of people. regards,
the Doc
Dear Disgusted,
My last post on this topic. Apologies for all my spelling errors. I'm tired. I was on call last night. Firstly, I'm not a scaremongering doc who thinks roids are evil responsible for all ill health. secondly I hhave no intention of insulting or trying to "own" you. The impact of anabolic steroid use on the health service in US/Europe is pretty much miniscule in the grand scheme of things. However there are risks involved and they shouldn't be dismissed as like taking candy compared to safe, recommended therapeutic doses of paracetamol eg less than 4 per day. Do you now that tyelenol is actually safe to use in low doses for fever/pain in patients WITH liver disease.(It's not metabolised as quickly so more time for liver to cope with the toxic metaboiltes. I can't exactly be accused of excessive medical jargon here.)
I'd say the young BB who used DBol for10 weeks and got huge and strong probably has normal LFT's. Your points about CK raised due to exercise and not roids are correct. Also i will repeat that you are correct to highlight the dangers of paracetemol. However I don't believe it's dangerous in therapeutic doses. People can get into trouble by accidently overdosing ie taking several products all containing paracetamol. In some retrospective studies paracetamol toxicitiy was the cause of failure in almost half of transplant patients but it was due to intentional or accidental overdose(which would include those takin too much flu/cold remedy.) In those cases doses taken were 7.5-10g per day while recommended dose is max 4g. There are isolated case reports of therapeutic doses causing liver failure although those patients had muscular dystrophy which may or not be relevant. Caution is needed in fasting pt's but paracetamol is often used in IV form intra and perioperatively in pt's taking nil by mouth on surgical wards.
So i will argue that paracetamol is a very usefull and safe drug when used properly. Unintentional is dangerous and people need to check what's in all there over the counter meds. D-Bol is probably safe if used responsibly but my whole arguement is basically that people should take that responsibility and I felt that comparing to paracetamol flippantly belittled that need. I don't believe responsible use of either will leave any significant no. of people on a transplant list. It's funny that rearding the safety of using d-bol we would probably not have much to argue over but the simple tyelenol has us divided! ;)
I should clarify that when i mentioned paracetamol for hangovers i was refering to regular joe's after a fun night and not people with chronic alcohol misuse.(But alcohol is an arguement for another day)
"Millionds of people with chronic ill health use paracetamol regularily eg arthritis with almost zero side effect burden on patients or health service in terms of liver faiure. Statement of opinion not fact since there is no way to test liver enzymes on these millions of people. regards,"
It's actually not just my opinion. I don't need to check their liver enzymes. These populations of patients are simply not cloging up liver clinics and transplant waiting lists.
"I wonder how many BB who are taking tylenol for aches and pains while contest dieting who may end up needing are liver tranplant and have it blamed on dbol?[/
I'd say approximately zero.You will have to look long and hard on the internet. I have included the abstract of a good article. Plenty of these patients were sick and fasting at times. I'm sure you could find plenty of ammo to throw back.
regards,
the Doc
Does Therapeutic Use of Acetaminophen Cause Acute Liver Failure?
Posted 10/15/2007
Richard C. Dart, M.D., Ph.D.; Elise Bailey, M.S.P.H.
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Abstract
Study Objective: To compare the reported occurrence of liver failure in subjects in prospective trials with that in patients in retrospective reports after repeated use of therapeutic dosages of acetaminophen.
Design: Systematic review of the medical literature.
Data Source: MEDLINE and EMBASE biomedical and pharmacologic databases.
Subjects: Adults who received repeated dosing of acetaminophen 4 g/day or lower for at least 24 hours.
Measurements and Main Results: Articles written in several languages were abstracted by trained personnel using a structured abstraction form. Data were categorized by methodology (prospective vs retrospective), acetaminophen dosage, and type of liver effect. A total of 791 articles were identified, which included 30,865 subjects in prospective studies and 9337 patients in retrospective reports. The prospective studies reported no cases of fulminant hepatic injury, liver transplantation, or death due to acetaminophen. Of the 30,865 subjects in these studies, 129 (0.4%) were identified who had a serum aminotransferase level that exceeded the upper limit of normal, including 61 subjects in randomized trials in which the proportion of serum aminotransferase level increase was the same as or less than that in the placebo group and 68 subjects in trials without a placebo group. In addition, 4263 (13.8%) received the maximum recommended therapeutic dosage (3.9–4 g/day). In the retrospective reports, 96 patients (1.0%) had a serum alanine aminotransferase level that exceeded the upper limit of normal, one (0.01%) underwent liver transplantation, and six (0.06%) died. Causality relationship of acetaminophen for each retrospective case was assessed with the Naranjo adverse drug reaction probability scale. The mean ± SD Naranjo score for all 103 retrospective cases was 3.2 ± 1.9, indicating a possible relationship between the increased aminotransferase levels and acetaminophen use. Some retrospective reports contained information suggesting that the patient had ingested an overdose despite a history of therapeutic use.
Conclusion: Prospective studies indicated that repeated use of a true therapeutic acetaminophen dosage may slightly increase the level of serum aminotransferase activity, but hepatic failure or death was not reported. Retrospective reports indicated a higher rate of increased serum aminotransferase levels, and several reported associated liver injury and death. The differing results and presence of evidence indicating inaccurate acetaminophen dosage information in some case reports suggests that these cases may be inadvertent overdoses, rather than true therapeutic dosages.
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All the old timers ate dinabol like tictacs and they looked damn good.
gh15 is spot on.
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I got news for you, stop roids and your gains will go away whether they are oral or injects.
no thats not entirely true. proper protein intake during cycle/ proper post cycle therapy/ intense post cycle training can help you keep almost the entirety of your gains..youll lose a little bit sure, and youll get softer...but if done correctly the benefits of steroid usage do not stop when you stop taking them.
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no thats not entirely true. proper protein intake during cycle/ proper post cycle therapy/ intense post cycle training can help you keep almost the entirety of your gains..youll lose a little bit sure, and youll get softer...but if done correctly the benefits of steroid usage do not stop when you stop taking them.
Oh brother.. And you know more about this than Disgusted? Come on, bro. ::)
I've seen people on ASS and they shrink like crazy and lose a lot of strength when they go off. And most people DON'T bother with post cycle therapy.
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no thats not entirely true. proper protein intake during cycle/ proper post cycle therapy/ intense post cycle training can help you keep almost the entirety of your gains..youll lose a little bit sure, and youll get softer...but if done correctly the benefits of steroid usage do not stop when you stop taking them.
So what your (yes your!!!! ;D) saying is that you will not lose your steroids gains when you stop taking steroids IF you take other kinds of drugs? ;D
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Hey Doc, thanks for the reply really, and I did read it all. I wanted to clarify that I did not mean to imply that Dbol was like taking candy, it was just a comparison between the two. Also, as far as Tylenol is concerned I will never take it again. The fact that the lack of Glutathione in the body to bind to the liver toxin that Tylenol produces (even at recommended doses) can be deadly within a matter of days is not a chance that I am willing to take. Now there is new evidence that mixing caffeine and acetaminophen may also cause liver damage although admittedly more research needs to be done.
"Mixing Acetaminophen and Caffeine May Cause Liver Damage"
A strong cup of coffee and a handful of Tylenol the morning after a night of imbibing may do as much, or more, damage to your liver as the imbibing you did the night before, a new study finds.
The toxic interaction could occur not only from drinking caffeinated beverages while taking the painkiller but also from using large amounts of medications that intentionally combine caffeine and acetaminophen for the treatment of migraine headaches, menstrual discomfort and other conditions, according to researchers writing in the Oct. 15 print issue of Chemical Research in Toxicology.
Health experts have warned for years that consuming excess alcohol while taking acetaminophen can trigger toxic interactions and cause liver damage and even death. However, this is the first time scientists have reported a potentially harmful interaction while taking the painkiller with caffeine, the researchers say.
While the studies are preliminary findings conducted in bacteria and laboratory animals, they suggest that consumers may want to limit caffeine intake -- including energy drinks and strong coffee -- while taking acetaminophen.
Researchers from the University of Washington in Seattle tested the effects of acetaminophen and caffeine on E. coli bacteria genetically engineered to express a key human enzyme in the liver that detoxifies many prescription and nonprescription drugs.
Toxic byproducts
They found that caffeine triples the amount of a toxic byproduct, N-acetyl-p-benzoquinone imine (NAPQI) that the enzyme produces while breaking down acetaminophen. This same toxin is responsible for liver damage and failure in toxic alcohol-acetaminophen interactions, they say.
In previous studies, the same researchers showed that high doses of caffeine can increase the severity of liver damage in rats with acetaminophen-induced liver damage, thus supporting the current finding.
“People should be informed about this potentially harmful interaction,” chemist Sid Nelson says. “The bottom line is that you don’t have to stop taking acetaminophen or stop taking caffeine products, but you do need to monitor your intake more carefully when taking them together, especially if you drink alcohol.”
Megadoses
Nelson points out that the bacteria used in the study were exposed to ‘megadoses’ of both acetaminophen and caffeine, much higher than most individuals would normally consume on a daily basis. Most people would similarly need to consume unusually high levels of these compounds together to have a dangerous effect, but the toxic threshold has not yet been determined, he says.
Certain groups may be more vulnerable to the potentially toxic interaction than others, Nelson says. This includes people who take certain anti-epileptic medications, including carbamazepine and phenobarbital, and those who take St. John’s Wort, a popular herbal supplement.
These products have been shown to boost levels of the enzyme that produces the toxic liver metabolite NAPQI, an effect that will likely be heightened when taking both acetaminophen and caffeine together, he says.
Likewise, people who drink a lot of alcohol may be at increased risk for the toxic interaction, Nelson says. That’s because alcohol can trigger the production of yet another liver enzyme that produces the liver toxin NAPQI.
The risks are also higher for those who take large amounts of medications that combine both acetaminophen and caffeine, which are often used together as a remedy for migraine headaches, arthritis and other conditions.
The researchers are currently studying the mechanism by which this toxic interaction occurs and are considering human studies in the future, they say.
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no thats not entirely true. proper protein intake during cycle/ proper post cycle therapy/ intense post cycle training can help you keep almost the entirety of your gains..youll lose a little bit sure, and youll get softer...but if done correctly the benefits of steroid usage do not stop when you stop taking them.
that's like.. the worst thing you can do when you go off the drugs
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Drol is better, RBC, better pumps, strength, weight gain etc.
Take real drol like Turkey/Iran Anapolon or Hemos from Brazil and look out! :o :o: :o
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Disgusted,
thanks posting that article. I like your style. I'm busy today and just doing a quick email and getbig check but i've saved it to my desktop to have proper read later. I'm training in surgery.(Equivalent to resident in the US). I will be working with the irish liver transplant service for 4 months starting march hence my added interest.
regards,
the Doc :)
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Disgusted,
thanks posting that article. I like your style. I'm busy today and just doing a quick email and getbig check but i've saved it to my desktop to have proper read later. I'm training in surgery.(Equivalent to resident in the US). I will be working with the irish liver transplant service for 4 months starting march hence my added interest.
regards,
the Doc :)
Not a problem. :) Nice to trade opinions. I'm sure you are putting in a ton of hours now, but I think that the liver transplant area of medicine would be a pretty exciting field to enter. Good luck.