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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/sports/27steroids.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Officials Make Deals to Learn Who Made Drug Deals
By MICHAEL BRICK
Published: January 27, 2008
PLANO, Tex. — A black Hummer pulled into the Hooters parking lot as dusk fell. Arthur Dale Atwood, a professional bodybuilder with a 61-inch chest, opened the tailgate for a police informant to deliver more than 100 bottles of fake drugs made from vegetable oil.
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When Arthur Atwood was arrested, he wasn’t charged with a drug violation because of a continuing federal investigation.
Allison V. Smith for The New York Times
David C. Jacobs ran a supplements store in Plano, Tex.
For months, city detectives had been watching as Atwood, 34, amassed steroids, human growth hormone, Ecstasy and exotic thyroid stimulators. Last May, the police made their move. Outside the Hooters lot, officers pulled over the Hummer. But instead of filing drug charges, they turned Atwood over to federal prosecutors running a more ambitious investigation.
Three days later, federal agents began arresting seven other bodybuilders across the state. One of them, David C. Jacobs, 35, known to friends as Bulletproof, publicly boasted of having evidence to link players for the Dallas Cowboys and the Atlanta Falcons to steroids. No such evidence has been revealed, and those teams have strongly denied his statements.
Prosecutors could have tried Atwood and Jacobs on multiple counts of drug conspiracy, seeking to make an example of two bodybuilders suspected of distributing steroids. But instead, they made deals that could keep both men from serving any prison time. Law enforcement officials would not disclose the final targets of their investigation or say whether the names of steroid customers would ever be revealed.
The deals struck with Atwood and Jacobs , indicate a shift in steroid prosecution methods and goals. As the use of performance-enhancing substances draws concern from the halls of Congress to the offices of high school coaches, prosecutors have turned their onetime prime targets into partners in a broader endeavor.
Atwood and Jacobs were enlisted to cooperate in Operation Raw Deal, the federal government’s most aggressive drive yet to interrupt the importation and traffic of performance-enhancing drugs through nutrition stores, gyms and Web sites. In September, authorities in 10 countries coordinated the arrests of more than 120 people, seized more than $6 million and collected 11 million steroid doses, 3 boats and dozens of weapons.
Since then, prosecutors from San Diego to Rhode Island have been making deals with distributors to build their cases. The distribution networks for steroids are amorphous, unlike the traditional narcotics cartels led by strongmen. They thrive on the anonymity of the Internet, the discreet camaraderie of the locker room, and the reckless entrepreneurship of home laboratories and pharmacies.
“Our goal is to go after the bigger fish,” said Steve Robertson, a special agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration. “You start looking at other dealers, customers, things like that.”
Although customers were rarely prosecuted in the past, the names of police officers, prominent athletes and entertainers have appeared in news accounts of several cases around the country. Customer lists have not been revealed.
“It runs the gamut,” said Rusty Payne, a spokesman for the D.E.A. “Lots of different kinds of athletes, weekend warriors, gym rats, girls, dealers/remailers, a lot of traffickers, people who have never taken steroids in their life but make a lot of money selling them.” From 2001 through 2005, when prosecutors focused their efforts on sophisticated, high-end laboratories, only 46 people were sentenced under the federal guidelines for steroid trafficking, according to the United States Sentencing Commission. In the past four months, however, at least 10 people have pleaded guilty to federal steroid-distribution charges, court records show.
Drug policy experts said the prosecutors of Operation Raw Deal could seek, at best, to disrupt the steady flow of performance-enhancing drugs.
“Use goes down when price goes up or availability is reduced,” said Jonathan P. Caulkins, a professor of public policy at Carnegie Mellon University. “We also know that ongoing enforcement pressure forces dealers to operate in inefficient ways, greatly increasing their costs of operation and, hence, increase the final retail price. So even if an operation doesn’t create a price spike, if it’s part of the background level of enforcement that forces the dealers to keep their heads down, then it may be doing some good.”
The police here began investigating a tip on Atwood early last year, soon after his arrival on the bodybuilding scene from Wisconsin. By traditional measures, he was a prime target: a ranked professional star in his sport whose downfall could serve as an example.
Atwood, who declined a request for an interview, was reared in Milwaukee, lifting weights to build strength for high school football. In gyms there, he was regarded as friendly and passionate about the sport.
“The guy trained like a monster,” said Tony Frontier, an amateur weight lifter in the 1990s who now works in education. “Didn’t have a chip on his shoulder, didn’t have a sense that he would use his strength to intimidate anybody or to his own advantage.”
Through the 1990s, Atwood refined his exercise routine, studied kinesiology and managed fitness clubs. In publicity materials and magazine interviews, he described a regimen of 13 workouts a week to train each muscle. In a typical day, he ate three protein shakes, cereal, oatmeal, three pounds of chicken, a potato, rice, steak, more chicken, then an egg-white omelet with protein powder.
In 2002, he won in his professional debut in Toronto at 5 feet 11 inches and 255 pounds, 70 pounds below his off-season weight.
“He came with just an incredible combination of size, symmetry and proportion, so he was one to watch,” said Milos Sarcev, a competitive bodybuilder and gym owner in Fullerton, Calif.
That victory became Atwood’s calling card as he traveled to competitions in the Netherlands, Russia, Hungary and San Francisco, with middling results over the next four years.
“After that, the criteria was more toward the smaller, symmetrical, so his physique was really rewarded no longer,” Sarcev said.
To supplement his income, Atwood sold health foods, vitamins and supplements through his retail storefront, Mass Results in Greenfield, Wis., before moving to this north Dallas suburb a few years ago.
In May, as Atwood drove away with the fake steroids, officers arrested him on a traffic violation. Searching his red brick town house, they confiscated $6,986 in cash, 2 computers, scales, tablets and capsules, a hollowed-out book, a 2007 Lexus and a Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
Court records show he was not charged with any drug violation “due to the fact that this is still an ongoing federal investigation.” Prosecutors would not say whether he would be charged with a crime.
A Plea to Name Players
Meanwhile, federal agents were investigating Jacobs, a less-successful bodybuilder with deeper local roots. He was listed as a senior in the 1991 yearbook for Plano Senior High School without a photograph.
In promotional materials and social networking sites, Jacobs appeared as a great pile of muscle, tattoos and intensity, topped by a buzz cut. Posing beside strapping women with glowing tans, he described himself as a Bible reader, a teetotaler and a “movie fiend.” :D :D :D
Jacobs operated the Supplement Outlet from a storefront on President Bush Highway. The shopping center adjoined an LA Fitness gym, where he sought customers among the staff. He made an imposing first impression.
“Tatted-up and just huge as anything and looks mean,” Colby Lee, a gym employee, said of Jacobs. “But when I actually started talking to him, he was just a super-nice guy.”
Lee began visiting the Supplement Outlet daily for energy drinks and workout advice but rarely saw any other customers.
“At that point, I was suspicious,” he said. “I was like, How is he paying for this?”
When federal agents arrested Jacobs on charges of conspiring to distribute steroids, which carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison, they confiscated cash, laptop computers, Harley-Davidson motorcycles, a Hummer, a Mustang, a noise filter, semiautomatic pistols, rifles and a double-barrel shotgun.
Through the summer, six other people connected to Atwood and Jacobs were arrested and charged with conspiracy to distribute steroids. Most have pleaded guilty to the federal distribution charge. In interviews, investigators and defense lawyers described the six as bodybuilders who were supplied by Atwood and Jacobs and who were familiar with one another partly through competitions and mostly through online sales.
Jacobs pleaded guilty and could serve only probation for his cooperation. One law enforcement official said the case now spanned “Texas and beyond.”
On the eve of his plea in November, Jacobs told a local television program that he intended to name steroid users who play for the Cowboys and the Falcons.
“Obviously, that’s one of the reasons I am here and pleading guilty,” he told the station, without offering proof or names. The teams denied that their organizations had any connection to Jacobs. One investigator, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case was not finished, said Jacobs “likes the limelight, I guess.”
The investigator added: “But I think a lot of what he says is true. He’s been able to back up a lot of the stuff he claims.”
Jacobs could not be reached through telephone calls and a knock at his door. His lawyer, Henry E. Hockeimer, said: “It’s an ongoing investigation. He’s cooperating.”
The assistant United States attorney for the Eastern District of Texas handling the case, Samuel W. Cantrell, did not return calls.
But another law enforcement official, who insisted on anonymity because the case was active, said people who bought steroids from Jacobs, Atwood and the others could face prosecution.
“We typically only prosecute distributors, not users,” the official said. “There are exceptions.”
Why is Milos commenting here?
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Already posted.
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oops, my bad
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Damn...
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haha vegetable oil. nice guy :D. art would probably want to go to jail right now when the guys he sold it to finds out about this ;D
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Damn YOU Guys!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought Art was NATURAL!
I feel like a little kid who just found out there'z no Santa!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/sports/27steroids.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Why is Milos commenting here?
Because the reason he and DJ "got off" on their case was the same reason Atwood isn't in jail.
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haahhaa, "exotic thyroid supplements". :-X
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/sports/27steroids.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Why is Milos commenting here?
Milos knows all.
I used to drive by the supplement store they're talking about every day on the way to work. I always thought it was strange how the place was always closed, even middle of the day, I guess now I know why! There were actually another 2-3 suppl stores here that closed pretty quickly without reason, one owner even disappeared about a week before the supplement store shut down for good (-anyone else in Dallas area remember Jerry from Biosteel on 75/Knox ave.?).
That's pretty sorry about the fake roids though. Atwood was known for walking around with a fanny pack full of whatever kind of rec drug you could think of. Me thinks you can't be that obvious for too long before people start to notice...
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Damn YOU Guys!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought Art was NATURAL!
I feel like a little kid who just found out there'z no Santa!
Gustavo is still a natty. It IS possible to get huge and ripped without roids.
Skip La Cour is another example.
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haahhaa, "exotic thyroid supplements". :-X
that must be real good then?
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hahahaha, i love how Milos always seems to be around for all these busts, he must be like Otis the drunk on the Andy Griffith Show. ;D
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hahahaha, i love how Milos always seems to be around for all these busts, he must be like Otis the drunk on the Andy Griffith Show. ;D
OR he is "cooperating" just like Art.
RATS, both of them!! 8)
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OR he is "cooperating" just like Art.
RATS, both of them!! 8)
hahahhaa, i wouldn't be surprised if Delusional Clown Meelosh is on every DEA agent in the Western US's speed dial.
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art atwood - felon
palumbo david - felon
milos sacrev -felon
the jap- felon
the murderer-felon
victor-felon
valentino (not a bodybuilder but in the business)-felon
black markus usa-felon
the list is endless and could go 5 pages long,,but the most important thing to know is that guys like atwood and palumbos milos and the murderer knowingly SOLD FAKE UNDERGROUND CRAP ,,AND FAKE PHARMACUTICAL CRAP,,
I WOULD GO HERE AND SAY THAT 90% OF ANY UNDERGROUND YOU SEE AROUND NOW DAYS IS PURE FAKE AS IN VEGTABLE OIL,,THE OTHER 10% IS SEVERELY UNDERDOSED CHINEASE GARBAGE POWEDER THAT IS DONE IN KITCHEN ,,THIS LAST 10% HAS WITHIN IS PRODUCTS THAT ARE MISLABELED AND OFOURSE NARCOTIC DRUGS THAT CAUSE THE KID SOURCE TO GET BUSTED TO BEGIN WITH
guys like the jap and are trafickers not always by choice,,they do not knowingly sell fake drugs and are more of a personal user and ta way to get something from point a to point b ,,ofcourse they are a lot more stupid than the actual big dealers who stand behind such as palumbos and the such
AGAIN EVERYTHING I SAY HERE BEEN IN COURT,,IT IS PROVEN AND PLEADED! THOSE ARE PLEA AGGREEMENTS WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ATTORNYS AND THE PRSIDED JUDGE IN THE RESPECTIVE JURISDICTION ,,IN MOST CASES THE OFFENSES ARE FEDERAL IN NATURE,,IN 100% OF CASES PUNISHMENT DO NOT FIT THE CRIMES BECAUSE THERE WERE NARCOTICS INVOLVMENT BUT PLEA DEAL WAS SEEKED BY SMOOTH LAWYERS AND BECAUSE THE FELON AGREED TO HELP FARTHER TO INCRIMINATE OTHER MAIN DEALERS
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no one is more pro-steroids than i, but i hope they throw the book at atwood. selling fake shit? not cool
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this is bodybuilding.
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no one is more pro-steroids than i, but i hope they throw the book at atwood. selling fake shit? not cool
Practically speaking, that's the one thing I like about drug laws. If somebody is violent or doing something else which is actually a crime but they can't convict them of it, they can convict them on a drug charge instead.
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Those are just the ones who got caught, triple that, and that's probably the number of drug dealers in the IFBB...haha, complete low lifes.
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I WOULD GO HERE AND SAY THAT 90% OF ANY UNDERGROUND YOU SEE AROUND NOW DAYS IS PURE FAKE AS IN VEGTABLE OIL,,THE OTHER 10% IS SEVERELY UNDERDOSED CHINEASE GARBAGE POWEDER THAT IS DONE IN KITCHEN ,,THIS LAST 10% HAS WITHIN IS PRODUCTS THAT ARE MISLABELED AND OFOURSE NARCOTIC DRUGS THAT CAUSE THE KID SOURCE TO GET BUSTED TO BEGIN WITH
sounds like your giving 110%.
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this is truely sad for bbing. recreational drugs have no place in bbing and neither do bbers that sell it.
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sounds like your giving 110%.
;D
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this is truely sad for bbing. recreational drugs have no place in bbing and neither do bbers that sell it.
another one :o ;D
im spelling police today 8)
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art atwood - felon
palumbo david - felon
milos sacrev -felon
the jap- felon
the murderer-felon
victor-felon
valentino (not a bodybuilder but in the business)-felon
black markus usa-felon
the list is endless and could go 5 pages long,,but the most important thing to know is that guys like atwood and palumbos milos and the murderer knowingly SOLD FAKE UNDERGROUND CRAP ,,AND FAKE PHARMACUTICAL CRAP,,
I WOULD GO HERE AND SAY THAT 90% OF ANY UNDERGROUND YOU SEE AROUND NOW DAYS IS PURE FAKE AS IN VEGTABLE OIL,,THE OTHER 10% IS SEVERELY UNDERDOSED CHINEASE GARBAGE POWEDER THAT IS DONE IN KITCHEN ,,THIS LAST 10% HAS WITHIN IS PRODUCTS THAT ARE MISLABELED AND OFOURSE NARCOTIC DRUGS THAT CAUSE THE KID SOURCE TO GET BUSTED TO BEGIN WITH
guys like the jap and are trafickers not always by choice,,they do not knowingly sell fake drugs and are more of a personal user and ta way to get something from point a to point b ,,ofcourse they are a lot more stupid than the actual big dealers who stand behind such as palumbos and the such
AGAIN EVERYTHING I SAY HERE BEEN IN COURT,,IT IS PROVEN AND PLEADED! THOSE ARE PLEA AGGREEMENTS WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ATTORNYS AND THE PRSIDED JUDGE IN THE RESPECTIVE JURISDICTION ,,IN MOST CASES THE OFFENSES ARE FEDERAL IN NATURE,,IN 100% OF CASES PUNISHMENT DO NOT FIT THE CRIMES BECAUSE THERE WERE NARCOTICS INVOLVMENT BUT PLEA DEAL WAS SEEKED BY SMOOTH LAWYERS AND BECAUSE THE FELON AGREED TO HELP FARTHER TO INCRIMINATE OTHER MAIN DEALERS
If everything is fake then why is everyone walking around jacked,
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art atwood - felon
palumbo david - felon
milos sacrev -felon
the jap- felon
the murderer-felon
victor-felon
valentino (not a bodybuilder but in the business)-felon
black markus usa-felon
the list is endless and could go 5 pages long,,but the most important thing to know is that guys like atwood and palumbos milos and the murderer knowingly SOLD FAKE UNDERGROUND CRAP ,,AND FAKE PHARMACUTICAL CRAP,,
I WOULD GO HERE AND SAY THAT 90% OF ANY UNDERGROUND YOU SEE AROUND NOW DAYS IS PURE FAKE AS IN VEGTABLE OIL,,THE OTHER 10% IS SEVERELY UNDERDOSED CHINEASE GARBAGE POWEDER THAT IS DONE IN KITCHEN ,,THIS LAST 10% HAS WITHIN IS PRODUCTS THAT ARE MISLABELED AND OFOURSE NARCOTIC DRUGS THAT CAUSE THE KID SOURCE TO GET BUSTED TO BEGIN WITH
guys like the jap and are trafickers not always by choice,,they do not knowingly sell fake drugs and are more of a personal user and ta way to get something from point a to point b ,,ofcourse they are a lot more stupid than the actual big dealers who stand behind such as palumbos and the such
AGAIN EVERYTHING I SAY HERE BEEN IN COURT,,IT IS PROVEN AND PLEADED! THOSE ARE PLEA AGGREEMENTS WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ATTORNYS AND THE PRSIDED JUDGE IN THE RESPECTIVE JURISDICTION ,,IN MOST CASES THE OFFENSES ARE FEDERAL IN NATURE,,IN 100% OF CASES PUNISHMENT DO NOT FIT THE CRIMES BECAUSE THERE WERE NARCOTICS INVOLVMENT BUT PLEA DEAL WAS SEEKED BY SMOOTH LAWYERS AND BECAUSE THE FELON AGREED TO HELP FARTHER TO INCRIMINATE OTHER MAIN DEALERS
Dennis, why don't you cut out the pro bashing around here. You of all people should know better and calling someone a jap is pretty lowball
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Dennis, why don't you cut out the pro bashing around here. You of all people should know better and calling someone a jap is pretty lowball
You being here = very low
Your father = HIGHLY DANGEROUS EX CONVICT. Tell us a bit more about it "Melvin"
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You being here = very low
Your father = HIGHLY DANGEROUS EX CONVICT. Tell us a bit more about it "Melvin"
Not that it matters but my dad is a pastor at a church. What are you talking about???
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Not that it matters but my dad is a pastor at a church. What are you talking about???
rofl a PASTOR?!?!?!?! Now i understand why are u a scammer.
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damn ! I live in Dallas and have herd that from diffrent people .
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If everything is fake then why is everyone walking around jacked,
Yes this Gh15 is truely one of the dumbest people I have ever seen post on a message board.
clueless absolutely ungodly clueless and wrong about everything he writes...
how old 23 maybe 19 maybe 17 just a dumb skinny geek that has been reading anabolic review and steroidology for his "knowledge"
dry up geek 15 the only reason we allow you to stay around is to laugh at you... :-*
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Yes this Gh15 is truely one of the dumbest people I have ever seen post on a message board.
clueless absolutely ungodly clueless and wrong about everything he writes...
how old 23 maybe 19 maybe 17 just a dumb skinny geek that has been reading anabolic review and steroidology for his "knowledge"
dry up geek 15 the only reason we allow you to stay around is to laugh at you... :-*
Sorry, but his steroid knowledge is spot on kid.
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i live in dallas and a buddy of mine who used to catch a workout with Art mentioned over a year ago he was involved in some dumb shit and was soon to be screwed of his own doing. i thought he was just talking out his ass. i guess he was in the know after all.
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If everything is fake then why is everyone walking around jacked,
first of all not every one walks around jacked,,
second of all the ones who walk around jacked as you call it are always on human grade,,i can assure you human grade is what the bodybuilder convict use for himself ,,for you he keeps the underground garbage bunk powders,,
dont worry they got fucked so hard with the operation they afraid to open their doors now days ,,and they got good reason for it! this is not done and i can assure you by the time it is done each and every one of them will be spending fortune on attorny fees and will get serving time in prison,,mark my words,,the more they talk on here the more they get themselves into more problems because the confirmatin with their names on the steroids boards are known to the ones who need to know
lret them think they are safe and the storm is over
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Yes this Gh15 is truely one of the dumbest people I have ever seen post on a message board.
clueless absolutely ungodly clueless and wrong about everything he writes...
how old 23 maybe 19 maybe 17 just a dumb skinny geek that has been reading anabolic review and steroidology for his "knowledge"
dry up geek 15 the only reason we allow you to stay around is to laugh at you... :-*
who is us friend? you and yoru internet steroid board? your walking on fire ,,you will get burnt,,mark my words,,the criminal is you always remember it,,you are allowed to be big because of me! remember that
you keep forgeting every time that you may very well be talking to an american dea agent,,you repetedly forgeting it!
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Sadly a great many modern pros - particularly the 2nd tier guys - are in the drug dealing game. Even in the upper echelons there is plenty going on. The days of a bit of test, winny etc.. are long gone. They are mixed up in serious business with serious dealers of other narcotics. The DEA are targeting bodybuilders as they are professional rats and they have more chance of getting a muscleman to flip than just about anyone else.
The use of E is particularly widespread as it can ,anecdotally, reduce the tension and pent up anger that often accompanies serious AAS abuse.
There is quite simply no honor in modern bodybuilding. It is a bunch of rats squirming around in a sack at the bottom of a detritus ridden sewer.
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Sadly a great many modern pros - particularly the 2nd tier guys - are in the drug dealing game. Even in the upper echelons there is plenty going on. The days of a bit of test, winny etc.. are long gone. They are mixed up in serious business with serious dealers of other narcotics. The DEA are targeting bodybuilders as they are professional rats and they have more chance of getting a muscleman to flip than just about anyone else.
The use of E is particularly widespread as it can ,anecdotally, reduce the tension and pent up anger that often accompanies serious AAS abuse.
There is quite simply no honor in modern bodybuilding. It is a bunch of rats squirming around in a sack at the bottom of a detritus ridden sewer.
very well said,,and very much the truth! you dotn know how close you are to the truth almost 100% only a lot more narcotics than you think ,,if bodybuilders only kept to dianabol and testosterone ,,they would end up ok and no problem WHAT SO EVER!
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very well said,,and very much the truth! you dotn know how close you are to the truth almost 100% only a lot more narcotics than you think ,,if bodybuilders only kept to dianabol and testosterone ,,they would end up ok and no problem WHAT SO EVER!
Or even try to be 100% natural! :o (ok, that's never going to happen) But I take your points and agree with you.
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This is what the government has accomplished, make steroids illegal and force everybody to buy black market and possibly shoot vegetable oil for 10 weeks. >:(
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This is what the government has accomplished, make steroids illegal and force everybody to buy black market and possibly shoot vegetable oil for 10 weeks. >:(
Bingo, you summed it all up. We didnt have this problem in the 80's.
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Victor-Snitch
Atwood-Snitch
Palumbo-Snitch
Milos-Snitch
Dennis James-Snitch
Where is the fucking pride? 5 years thats the max on top of it they have fed time!!! Hopefully the state will start picking up some of these cases so these fools can start getting stuck like they should!!!
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who is us friend? you and yoru internet steroid board? your walking on fire ,,you will get burnt,,mark my words,,the criminal is you always remember it,,you are allowed to be big because of me! remember that
you keep forgeting every time that you may very well be talking to an american dea agent,,you repetedly forgeting it!
please keep your different board personalities seperate.
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I can see it now murdered BBs for snitching and selling fake shit.
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another one :o ;D
im spelling police today 8)
I'm. ;D
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Sorry, but his steroid knowledge is spot on kid.
ya spot on alright...claiming you will be 3-4 pounds heavier the day you start dbol...LOL give me a fucking break. Anyone whos had real dbol knows it dont work that way
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Bingo, you summed it all up. We didnt have this problem in the 80's.
WAS NOT A CLASSIFIED drug with penalty yet i think 91 they passed law,thats why mcmahon took hit in wbf,wwe fiasco.its just as easy today as in the 80's to get .the difference is the kooks who make there own makeshift labs and produce dirty drugs that causes problem,its widespread and not going away anytime soon.thats why wellness clinics are so hot right now ,u can get it and avoid blackmarket ,but the prices must be through the roof at the clinics?
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Victor-Snitch
Atwood-Snitch
Palumbo-Snitch
Milos-Snitch
Dennis James-Snitch
Where is the fucking pride? 5 years thats the max on top of it they have fed time!!! Hopefully the state will start picking up some of these cases so these fools can start getting stuck like they should!!!
Palumbo isn't a snitch. He never ratted out anyone. If he did, then many more people would have been jailed. He took his sentence like a man and left. No-one else caught heat
Dennis or GH15 is definately a snitch but when faced with the death penalty in Thailland for selling X, I honestly couldn't blame him. BTW, GH15 is a dumb ass and doesn't really care about putting people's lives in danger with his information he's spewing.
Milos....I've spoken with him on and off and for a good time at the Olympia. Personally, I don't think he's a rat or anything but time will tell I suppose but he took his sentence like a man did and he didn't implicate anyone that wasn't already in hot water.
Atwood is a big old cheese eating rat bastard snitch. No question. I wouldn't even piss on him if he was on fire. Not only did he implicate people but he's now helping the FBI bust people. Most of that stuff he did by himself but he's getting people nailed to the cross for stuff that didn't even involve his own activities. He's basically saving his own butt and letting others fry.
Victor, I especially don't like Victor from those people he ripped off from his gym. However, he didn't snitch on anyone as he wasn't really charged with much.
Folks, no one should be using insulin period and talking about Dianabol and other steroids is pointless when most of the stuff flowing around is fake. You can't even use trusted sources from Thailand or Russia anymore. It doesn't do any good to give out information on steroids when you can't even obtain it. Even getting the raw materials is pointless. The Chinese has filled the arena with food grade product instead of pharm grade product. You brew that food grade stuff up you'll have a lot of people pissed at you for absesses they can to have cut out of their arms and legs or worse. Most of these underground labs know this and all they do is double filter and mix in a high amount of benyl alcohol possible in their brews and hope they don't kill anyone.
If you're not competing to win a pro card, then just train naturally and use regular supplements. Don't be an idiot and go out there and take stuff because some reckless dumbass like GH15 is deficating from the mouth to impress some kids up here. And for him to talk about using insulin pisses me off as that is pretty much the worse thing you can put in your body.
That's my two cents, train naturally and stay off the roids and slin if you're not training to be pro bodybuilder or athlete.
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first of all not every one walks around jacked,,
second of all the ones who walk around jacked as you call it are always on human grade,,i can assure you human grade is what the bodybuilder convict use for himself ,,for you he keeps the underground garbage bunk powders,,
here in montreal it's only UG stuff
I never saw anyone sell human grade stuff :(
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Palumbo isn't a snitch. He never ratted out anyone. If he did, then many more people would have been jailed. He took his sentence like a man and left. No-one else caught heat
Dennis or GH15 is definately a snitch but when faced with the death penalty in Thailland for selling X, I honestly couldn't blame him. BTW, GH15 is a dumb ass and doesn't really care about putting people's lives in danger with his information he's spewing.
Milos....I've spoken with him on and off and for a good time at the Olympia. Personally, I don't think he's a rat or anything but time will tell I suppose but he took his sentence like a man did and he didn't implicate anyone that wasn't already in hot water.
Atwood is a big old cheese eating rat bastard snitch. No question. I wouldn't even piss on him if he was on fire. Not only did he implicate people but he's now helping the FBI bust people. Most of that stuff he did by himself but he's getting people nailed to the cross for stuff that didn't even involve his own activities. He's basically saving his own butt and letting others fry.
Victor, I especially don't like Victor from those people he ripped off from his gym. However, he didn't snitch on anyone as he wasn't really charged with much.
Folks, no one should be using insulin period and talking about Dianabol and other steroids is pointless when most of the stuff flowing around is fake. You can't even use trusted sources from Thailand or Russia anymore. It doesn't do any good to give out information on steroids when you can't even obtain it. Even getting the raw materials is pointless. The Chinese has filled the arena with food grade product instead of pharm grade product. You brew that food grade stuff up you'll have a lot of people pissed at you for absesses they can to have cut out of their arms and legs or worse. Most of these underground labs know this and all they do is double filter and mix in a high amount of benyl alcohol possible in their brews and hope they don't kill anyone.
If you're not competing to win a pro card, then just train naturally and use regular supplements. Don't be an idiot and go out there and take stuff because some reckless dumbass like GH15 is deficating from the mouth to impress some kids up here. And for him to talk about using insulin pisses me off as that is pretty much the worse thing you can put in your body.
That's my two cents, train naturally and stay off the roids and slin if you're not training to be pro bodybuilder or athlete.
Hello son of a pastor, how's the daily money begging for jesus?
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haha vegetable oil. nice guy :D. art would probably want to go to jail right now when the guys he sold it to finds out about this ;D
You would think that would be the case. But look at Palumbo. Sold ALOT of fake gh and he gets welcomed back to bb'ing circles like the prodigal son.
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ya spot on alright...claiming you will be 3-4 pounds heavier the day you start dbol...LOL give me a fucking break. Anyone whos had real dbol knows it dont work that way
if you didnt buy your bullcrap from ip or from brirish dragon fakes made by ip or from axio worst garbage ever made,,you too would gain 5lb after 2 days on legit dianabol!
dianabol ,,if you are truly a bodybuilder and not some kid on internet,,will put on the hard core bodybuilder 5 lb within super sonic speed as in sometimes less than 48 hours,,im a professional maybe im not example but i conisder myself like anyone else when it comes to genetic and on anabol and naposim and russians i put on at times 8lb in less than 72 hours,,yes water but those water go somewhere in the muscle and you getting swole and swole = growth ,,you will learn it someday
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gutless jerkoff selling fake shit. how do you sell fake shit? no credibility whatsoever. just like bodybuilding itself. another black eye!
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Palumbo isn't a snitch. He never ratted out anyone. If he did, then many more people would have been jailed. He took his sentence like a man and left. No-one else caught heat
Dennis or GH15 is definately a snitch but when faced with the death penalty in Thailland for selling X, I honestly couldn't blame him. BTW, GH15 is a dumb ass and doesn't really care about putting people's lives in danger with his information he's spewing.
Milos....I've spoken with him on and off and for a good time at the Olympia. Personally, I don't think he's a rat or anything but time will tell I suppose but he took his sentence like a man did and he didn't implicate anyone that wasn't already in hot water.
Atwood is a big old cheese eating rat bastard snitch. No question. I wouldn't even piss on him if he was on fire. Not only did he implicate people but he's now helping the FBI bust people. Most of that stuff he did by himself but he's getting people nailed to the cross for stuff that didn't even involve his own activities. He's basically saving his own butt and letting others fry.
Victor, I especially don't like Victor from those people he ripped off from his gym. However, he didn't snitch on anyone as he wasn't really charged with much.
Folks, no one should be using insulin period and talking about Dianabol and other steroids is pointless when most of the stuff flowing around is fake. You can't even use trusted sources from Thailand or Russia anymore. It doesn't do any good to give out information on steroids when you can't even obtain it. Even getting the raw materials is pointless. The Chinese has filled the arena with food grade product instead of pharm grade product. You brew that food grade stuff up you'll have a lot of people pissed at you for absesses they can to have cut out of their arms and legs or worse. Most of these underground labs know this and all they do is double filter and mix in a high amount of benyl alcohol possible in their brews and hope they don't kill anyone.
If you're not competing to win a pro card, then just train naturally and use regular supplements. Don't be an idiot and go out there and take stuff because some reckless dumbass like GH15 is deficating from the mouth to impress some kids up here. And for him to talk about using insulin pisses me off as that is pretty much the worse thing you can put in your body.
That's my two cents, train naturally and stay off the roids and slin if you're not training to be pro bodybuilder or athlete.
Oh my. You are one stupid guy.
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I can see it now murdered BBs for snitching and selling fake shit.
If more and more of these guys are getting busted and the state eventually picks them up on some other charges. Trust me I got MD and Flex all day in the joint. These dudes would be getting some hard candy if they walked the yard. It may sound far fetched but it could eventually happen. But then again they would all be PC'd like Hide. Nevermind you are right it is far fetched. hah
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gutless jerkoff selling fake shit. how do you sell fake shit? no credibility whatsoever. just like bodybuilding itself. another black eye!
I guess I'm stupid since I didn't catch this earlier - looks like Art was BUYING fake gear
A black Hummer pulled into the Hooters parking lot as dusk fell. Arthur Dale Atwood, a professional bodybuilder with a 61-inch chest, opened the tailgate for a police informant to deliver more than 100 bottles of fake drugs made from vegetable oil.
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Who here would doubt the word of a pastor's son? Doctor Melvin Goodrum is back to his stellar best in his assessment of the good and bad guys out there. If Melvin tells bodybuilders not to mess with home brewed drugs you should trust that he knows what he is talking about. His trophy-winning physique is testimony that shortcuts are hardly worth the money you might save on cheap pharmaceuticals.
I wonder what makes Melvin so confident that people he mentioned are snitches? Seems to me those allegations might constitute slander.
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I wonder what makes Melvin so confident that people he mentioned are snitches? Seems to me those allegations might constitute slander.
Because he bought some of Art's fake gear. Look what it did to his physique? ::)
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Who here would doubt the word of a pastor's son? Doctor Melvin Goodrum is back to his stellar best in his assessment of the good and bad guys out there. If Melvin tells bodybuilders not to mess with home brewed drugs you should trust that he knows what he is talking about. His trophy-winning physique is testimony that shortcuts are hardly worth the money you might save on cheap pharmaceuticals.
I wonder what makes Melvin so confident that people he mentioned are snitches? Seems to me those allegations might constitute slander.
I said it because only top NPC competitors and IFBB pros have access to the legit stuff (on most occasions). Everyone else has to run to a home brewer or chemist and depending on who you run into, you're essentially putting your life in there hands
I told you folks many times that the only steroid I ever used was fina. The reason was because that was the only thing I could get my hands on that I knew was legit and it was the easiest stuff I could get my hands because in the South, there's a lot of farms.
But before you think about visiting a farm to get some cattle implants, you should know that those formulas have changed and any fina you get will be mixed with estrodial making it something you don't want to touch.
Don't use steroids, train naturally because you're more than likely to royally screw yourself up.
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I said it because only top NPC competitors and IFBB pros have access to the legit stuff (on most occasions). Everyone else has to run to a home brewer or chemist and depending on who you run into, you're essentially putting your life in there hands
I told you folks many times that the only steroid I ever used was fina. The reason was because that was the only thing I could get my hands on that I knew was legit and it was the easiest stuff I could get my hands because in the South, there's a lot of farms.
But before you think about visiting a farm to get some cattle implants, you should know that those formulas have changed and any fina you get will be mixed with estrodial making it something you don't want to touch.
Don't use steroids, train naturally because you're more than likely to royally screw yourself up.
and how do you think we got to be npc and ifbb ?? out of what?
i swear friends ,,you need to use your brain more and your heart less when it comes to bodybuilding,,EVERY ONE USE HORMONES,,EVERY ONE NOT ONLY US IFBB PROFESSIONALS THAT IS ACTUALLY BIG AND MUSCULAR USE LEGIT HUMAN GRADE,,IT IS SUPER EASY TO GET,,AND WE PUT MAJORITY OF SCAMERS IN PRISON AND OUT OF THEIR BUNK BUSINESS,,
take a llok at mr atwood ,,he is the equivelent of skinny boney if off hormones for 6 months,,you guys need to understand that TO BE ANYTYING THAT EVEN RESEMBLE BODYBUILDER YOU HAVE TO BE ON HORMONES ,,as imple as that!
very few on getbig are actually true naturals but its just claification so its clear ,,for the 1000th time ofcourse
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I guess most bodybuilders who want steroids believe they will get the real drugs from known bodybuilders. That some of these guys sell fake drugs is a shame. Sort of insult to injury.
How do wannabes and muscleheads buy authentic steroids and other anabolics in the USA? I remember that Milos said he has health reasons that enable him to get various things. Is this what most bodybuilders do?
Seems to me the whole scene is lunacy. In the old days we were worried about taking a bottle of 100 Dianbol tablets. We never doubted those pills were from the Ciba lab. Today who would know what is in the pills they take?
That a so-called drug guru like gh15 has to remain anonymous speaks volumes about the pathetic situation in many modern countries when it comes to anabolic drugs. Why on earth would any intelligent person listen to such a guy? There is no possible way to test this individual's statements and advice. Bodybuilders are not only foolish but blind as well if they trust these people.
Melvin is your typical 'short-cut' victim of the quest for big muscles. Look upon his works, ye mortals, and despair!
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I want to tear my hair off every time I read a Basile post.
I guess most bodybuilders who want steroids believe they will get the real drugs from known bodybuilders. That some of these guys sell fake drugs is a shame. Sort of insult to injury.
How do wannabes and muscleheads buy authentic steroids and other anabolics in the USA? I remember that Milos said he has health reasons that enable him to get various things. Is this what most bodybuilders do?
Seems to me the whole scene is lunacy. In the old days we were worried about taking a bottle of 100 Dianbol tablets. We never doubted those pills were from the Ciba lab. Today who would know what is in the pills they take?
That a so-called drug guru like gh15 has to remain anonymous speaks volumes about the pathetic situation in many modern countries when it comes to anabolic drugs. Why on earth would any intelligent person listen to such a guy? There is no possible way to test this individual's statements and advice. Bodybuilders are not only foolish but blind as well if they trust these people.
Melvin is your typical 'short-cut' victim of the quest for big muscles. Look upon his works, ye mortals, and despair!
Have you even read any of gh15's posts? He says to stay away from homebrew crap such as Art Atwood was involved with. You don't have to be a genius to understand that this is good advice. Why do you need to "test" this advice?
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Anyone who ingests drugs without knowledge of what they are using is playing with fire. Why on earth bodybuilders trust other bodybuilders to supply them steroids is a mystery. If there is no information about the chemicals you are using then you are a fool to use them. Gh15 is expert in nothing at all. This individual was exposed here on Getbig as a naive simple person who believes all manner of rubbish. That is not the kind of intellect one invests one's health in.
The more I read Getbig the more I am convinced that bodybuilders, as a group, are mostly brawn. Those who admire gh15 are certified knuckleheads.
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Anyone who ingests drugs without knowledge of what they are using is playing with fire. Why on earth bodybuilders trust other bodybuilders to supply them steroids is a mystery. If there is no information about the chemicals you are using then you are a fool to use them. Gh15 is expert in nothing at all. This individual was exposed here on Getbig as a naive simple person who believes all manner of rubbish. That is not the kind of intellect one invests one's health in.
The more I read Getbig the more I am convinced that bodybuilders, as a group, are mostly brawn. Those who admire gh15 are certified knuckleheads.
Regardless of how you feel about bodybuilding drugs the fact of the matter is that bodybuilding involves scientifically untested polypharmacy. All you can do is accept it because it's not going away.
You weren't any better in your time, you took Dianabol and at that time it had not been on the market that many years. The long term effects were unknown. Remember what Ziegler said?
"All those young kids, what a terrible price they'll pay. If only I'd known it would come to this."
Do you admit that you were a simple-minded naive knucklehead too?
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Nice try, van bild. Doctor Ziegler was disappointed with the York crowd of bodybuilders who were exceeding his recommended dosages of Dianabol. Instead of taking 2 X 5mg pills/day some of those guys were taking more than 10 per day and that showed how careless weightlifters and bodybuilders were so the good doctor stopped helping those guys. Bill March was handling huge poundages when I visited York in 1965. I have no idea if he was one of the guys Doctor John was talking about. I saw Bill do an easy standing press with 375 pounds. He also handled huge weights in the squat. He later turned to bodybuilding and gave up weightlifting. It paid off and Bill won a title or two. There is no doubt that what happened in the York gym spread through the weightlifting subculture.
Most of the literature around re steroids didn't show that they were effective. However, most bodybuilders acquired Dianabol from Chemists or Doctors. Chemists are Australian Pharmacists. Most of us were afraid to exceed 15 mg of Dianabol per day and would go off those drugs after 6 weeks as recommended by sports medicine doctors. No one that I personally knew in the 60's admitted to using drugs and few depended on them for their success. I used about 2 bottles of Dianabol on three occasions in my career. The first time was after 11 years training with weights. I gained some strength and size but it didn't transcend me into a huge guy. I concluded, like most contemporaries, that either I lacked the genetics or wasn't using enough drugs. There is no way a title and trophy was worth the risk. A prominent LA steroid doctor Michael W told me in 1970 in Vancouver that I could win a Mr Universe title with another 6 months training and appropriate steroids like decadurabolin. I wasn't interested so never found out if that was true. None of us could imagine what modern professionals would take to augment their physiques. It is beyond lunacy to take that many drugs for as long as they do. Why on earth would they trust anonymous people with their health?
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Nice try, van bild. Doctor Ziegler was disappointed with the York crowd of bodybuilders who were exceeding his recommended dosages of Dianabol. Instead of taking 2 X 5mg pills/day some of those guys were taking more than 10 per day and that showed how careless weightlifters and bodybuilders were so the good doctor stopped helping those guys. Bill March was handling huge poundages when I visited York in 1965. I have no idea if he was one of the guys Doctor John was talking about. I saw Bill do an easy standing press with 375 pounds. He also handled huge weights in the squat. He later turned to bodybuilding and gave up weightlifting. It paid off and Bill won a title or two. There is no doubt that what happened in the York gym spread through the weightlifting subculture.
Most of the literature around re steroids didn't show that they were effective. However, most bodybuilders acquired Dianabol from Chemists or Doctors. Chemists are Australian Pharmacists. Most of us were afraid to exceed 15 mg of Dianabol per day and would go off those drugs after 6 weeks as recommended by sports medicine doctors. No one that I personally knew in the 60's admitted to using drugs and few depended on them for their success. I used about 2 bottles of Dianabol on three occasions in my career. The first time was after 11 years training with weights. I gained some strength and size but it didn't transcend me into a huge guy. I concluded, like most contemporaries, that either I lacked the genetics or wasn't using enough drugs. There is no way a title and trophy was worth the risk. A prominent LA steroid doctor Michael W told me in 1970 in Vancouver that I could win a Mr Universe title with another 6 months training and appropriate steroids like decadurabolin. I wasn't interested so never found out if that was true. None of us could imagine what modern professionals would take to augment their physiques. It is beyond lunacy to take that many drugs for as long as they do. Why on earth would they trust anonymous people with their health?
Who cares how little you took. You still took a relatively new drug without knowing the possible long term effects. No different than what guys do today. You had the same mentality.
Like you say, the literature said they didn't work. Instead you trusted the gym gossip. Like the typical knucklehead you complain about. :D
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Van bild are you capable of having a proper discussion or do you insist on personal attacks to make your point?
Dianabol was a known drug in 1970. There were studies in the literature about anabolics. I read those studies and concluded that unless nutrition was augmented that gains were unlikely if drugs were used. The anecdotal reports clearly showed that Dianabol had an anabolic effect and any side-effects were reversible. What worried us more was the shame of using those drugs. Most of us were not too worried about longterm effects as long as we didn't stay on those chemicals for extended periods of time.
Contrast that with the reckless use of drugs in professional bodybuilding today. There is no comparison. The modern guys are doing highly risky things. All the former Mr Olympia winners are still alive. I wonder if the champions from the last 15 years will still be alive in 30 years time? The mentality of professional bodybuilders today is totally different from what we thought in 1970.
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What did Atwood get charged with. Did he really cut a deal to squeal?