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This = not a post about being suicidal. This post is for people living a good life with a solid personality.
Do you look forward to dying or are you afraid of it?`
If you are afraid of it, why? Is there a REAL rational reason for being afraid?
Can you think of reasons to look forward to your death with a sense of peace and optimism?
Debussey thinks looking forward to your death with peace and optimism, and almost a kind of excitement, all while living a great life on earth and being responsible = the way to go. It also makes the most logical sense.
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Fuck death, death can't stop me. >:(
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every day my friend, every day
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Think about it, if you reprogram your mind to look forward to death with peace and optimism, almost with a feeling of exitement, you are living life much better, and you certainly does not break any logical rules.
And the reasons for looking forward to death with peace, optimism and exitement are many.
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Think about it, if you reprogram your mind to look forward to death with peace and optimism, almost with a feeling of exitement, you are living life much better, and you certainly does not break any logical rules.
And the reasons for looking forward to death with peace, optimism and exitement are many.
death is the natural progression of life, you can't stop it..so why worry?
basically after you die, within a week your friends will stop talking about you...it will be like your never existed.
if you are lucky your wife will visit twice before she gets married again
and honestly, how many people visit graves these days? ::)
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death is the natural progression of life, you can't stop it..so why worry?
basically after you die, within a week your friends will stop talking about you...it will be like your never existed.
if you are lucky your wife will visit twice before she gets married again
and honestly, how many people visit graves these days? ::)
Good points.
This discussion is more about the inner experience of awaiting death though.
Humans = genetically programmed to fear it, but it is possible to override this fear of death by rational thinking and by reprogramming ones identity through various means.
Almost nobody does this, and fucks up huge parts of their emotional well being through life because they have tons of fears which partially is a result of their fear of death.
It's just so silly.
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death is the natural progression of life, you can't stop it..so why worry?
basically after you die, within a week your friends will stop talking about you...it will be like your never existed.
if you are lucky your wife will visit twice before she gets married again
and honestly, how many people visit graves these days? ::)
WTF are you talking about? She's coming with me. >:(
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Good points.
This discussion is more about the inner experience of awaiting death though.
Humans = genetically programmed to fear it, but it is possible to override this fear of death by rational thinking and by reprogramming ones identity through various means.
Almost nobody does this, and fucks up huge parts of their emotional well being through life because they have tons of fears which partially is a result of their fear of death.
It's just so silly.
question for the lawyers out there!!!
is there a way to not have your loves ones legally obligated to pay off your debt when you die but still be able to leave them an insurance policy?
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Good points.
This discussion is more about the inner experience of awaiting death though.
Humans = genetically programmed to fear it, but it is possible to override this fear of death by rational thinking and by reprogramming ones identity through various means.
Almost nobody does this, and fucks up huge parts of their emotional well being through life because they have tons of fears which partially is a result of their fear of death.
It's just so silly.
Debussey, most people don't fear death, they fear the cause of death.
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Debussey, most people don't fear death, they fear the cause of death.
Debussey does not agree. Most people fear the simple act of dying, the end of life, even if it's completely painless, and this fear is a lot of the reason for many other fears as well.
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Can you think of reasons to look forward to your death with a sense of peace and optimism?
acting out ur life in a way that sees u not regretting ur actions.
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acting out ur life in a way that sees u not regretting ur actions.
Great point! Regretting = almost always worse than trying (given that you = not risking your life or doing harm to others).
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Debussey does not agree. Most people fear the simple act of dying, the end of life, even if it's completely painless, and this fear is a lot of the reason for many other fears as well.
Then let me rephrase......Chaos does not fear death, the cause of death though.......that can be scary.
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Great point! Regretting = almost always worse than trying (given that you = not risking your life or doing harm to others).
people often fear death because they haven't accomplished enough in their life, e.g 'he/she was so young.' if u live ur life the way u want to, deep down, to make urself the happiest in the present time and in the long run (for however long u live), u will likely die happy and at peace.
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people often fear death because they haven't accomplished enough in their life, e.g 'he/she was so young.' if u live ur life the way u want to, deep down, to make urself the happiest in the present time and in the long run (for however long u live), u will likely die happy and at peace.
My brothers friend just died on his bike, lost control, hit a curb and then a tree. He was 23.
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people often fear death because they haven't accomplished enough in their life, e.g 'he/she was so young.' if u live ur life the way u want to, deep down, to make urself the happiest in the present time and in the long run (for however long u live), u will likely die happy and at peace.
They have done research on this, and a few percent of people dying have truly lived the life they wanted, and a vast majority of them dies happy and at peace.
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Then let me rephrase......Chaos does not fear death, the cause of death though.......that can be scary.
If it involves unimaginable pain, yes.
If you can die by a painless deadly poison while being loaded up on heroine or something, you can truly go off with a blast
8)
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If it involves unimaginable pain, yes.
If you can die by a painless deadly poison while being loaded up on heroine or something, you can truly go off with a blast
8)
See, that's what people fear, the unknown manner in which they will die. I mean, who wants to go through a 2 year battle with cancer and die anyways, or like you said painlessly through drugs and "deadly poison"....
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They have done research on this, and a few percent of people dying have truly lived the life they wanted, and a vast majority of them dies happy and at peace.
i imagine it's near impossible to tell from an outside perspective who dies at peace and who lives their life the way they want to. only you know that for sure. people will often say their friends died at peace to make it easier for themselves to cope with the loss. to somehow justify that it was 'god's way' and they were 'at peace with god' or whatever it is. i doubt the majority are truly at peace with themselves when they die, as most people aren't ready to die.
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i don't care if there is no life after death,
but not seeing what my son is going to achieved in his life, seeing him grow, falling in love, missing all this and all the good things in life, that is scary.
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See, that's what people fear, the unknown manner in which they will die. I mean, who wants to go through a 2 year battle with cancer and die anyways, or like you said painlessly through drugs and "deadly poison"....
You and Debussey still disagrees. People have a fear of death along with the fear of the dying process.
Think about it, almost every fear is related to the fear of death deep down.
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i don't care if there is no life after death,
but not seeing what my son is going to achieved in his life, seeing him grow, falling in love, missing all this and all the good things in life, that is scary.
That's understandable.
Food for thought: IF you simply seize to exist after death (something nobody can confirm), you won't miss any of those things because you = terminated, thus you can not percieve the loss and get the emotional response out if it because "you" simply don't exist.
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My hope is that death is what I imagine it to be, which is nonexistence. I also feel that I am ready to die now. Life is a genetic and geographical lottery that it's safe to say everyone reading this has won.
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You and Debussey still disagrees. People have a fear of death along with the fear of the dying process.
Think about it, almost every fear is related to the fear of death deep down.
Maybe some do fear death, I do not. How I die scares me, I have visions of a violent and bloody death in store for me......
And most every fear involves some possibility of a painful death...
Example, heights...falling would mean an impact...painful
another one...spiders....being bitten could be poisonous...painful
Peoples fear revolves around pain...nobody wants to die a painful death.
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That's understandable.
Food for thought: IF you simply seize to exist after death (something nobody can confirm), you won't miss any of those things because you = terminated, thus you can not percieve the loss and get the emotional response out if it because "you" simply don't exist.
true, i agree.
but i hope he will miss me as much as i would like to enjoy life a little more with him
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My hope is that death is what I imagine it to be, which is nonexistence. I also feel that I am ready to die now. Life is a genetic and geographical lottery that it's safe to say everyone reading this has won.
The cool thing about death: IF there is something more to existence, to consciousness, and IF any kind of "afterlife" exists, death will probably be the way to it. IF nothing happens, dying won't involve anything bad because you're dead, so you can't percieve it as previously stated.
Thus, death MIGHT be a no-loss game 8)
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The cool thing about death: IF there is something more to existence, to consciousness, and IF any kind of "afterlife" exists, death will probably be the way to it. IF nothing happens, dying won't involve anything bad because you're dead, so you can't percieve it as previously stated.
Thus, death MIGHT be a no-loss game 8)
Have you considered that you might come back as an insect or worse still as part of Team Nasser?
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Do you look forward to your death with peace and optimism?
Only if you take Anabolics steroids you should.
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Do you look forward to your death with peace and optimism?
Only if you take Anabolics steroids you should.
Why?
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I fearlessly look forward to death simply because the alternative, eternal life, is much more horrifying. Seriously. Think about the implications of living forever, and then tell me it would be great.
As for people fearing death itself or the act of dying: it's both. So many terminally-ill people choose suffering over death that apparently pain is not their main motivator. Anyone in their situation can save up a handful of pills and kill themselves painlessly -- but the vast majority doesn't. So pain is apparently preferable to fear of the unknown.
On the other hand: some people can decide that, since death is inevitable, they are going with dignity and without regrets. My mother did just that.
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I fearlessly look forward to death simply because the alternative, eternal life, is much more horrifying. Seriously. Think about the implications of living forever, and then tell me it would be great.
Exactly! Eternal life would mean that time has no value from an economical statement, because value comes when there is a finite supply of something that's in demand.
On the other hand: some people can decide that, since death is inevitable, they are going with dignity and without regrets. My mother did just that.
Good stuff. Coming to terms with the fact that you = going to die, and not fearing it (but actually looking forward to it) = life is much better.
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There is this little thing in my mind that at times (and I think about death and all that a lot since it interests me imensly) is worried, I wouldn't call it fear but I'm worried that the Church was right and that by not being a commited christian I will end up in Hell.
Now logicly I see that there would be no reason to have a hell since there are so many people out there that are simply not Christians... and what about all the people that have been born before Christianity?
But still there is this little thing that worries me...and simply because I think ANYTHING is possible.
I am however more concerend about the aspect that my wife will die before me, or other loved once, my family has been "blessed" so far and since my Grandad died nobody really died that was close to me.
So yes I am worried that my wife would die young but these feelings are totaly egoistic as in I'm not worried for her I'm worried that I will miss her so much.
There are simply feeling a human can have that are so painful that you want to take your own life and I have been very blessed not having to experience these feelings a lot.
In general If I look at all the missery hurt and shit that is going down on a daily basis around the globe... I'm incredible lucky and blessed.
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No need to fear it, since it's going to happen anyway.
It's more the cause of death that scares me, I bet a stoning or beheading wouldn't be very enjoyable.
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Think about it, we're all just "little flashes of consciousness" in an infinite small portion of time in the grand scheme of things.
And most of us are fucking fortunate like Stark points out.
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No need to fear it, since it's going to happen anyway.
It's more the cause of death that scares me, I bet a stoning or beheading wouldn't be very enjoyable.
After seeing a couple of Stonings on Movie I would happily choose beheadings... it's a lot faster.
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After seeing a couple of Stonings on Movie I would happily choose beheadings... it's a lot faster.
Did you see that beheading video where the beheaded vomitted while getting it done? Good stuff.
But yes, stonings probably rank among the most long & painful deaths.
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After seeing a couple of Stonings on Movie I would happily choose beheadings... it's a lot faster.
Just shoot up on drugs and painkillers to get a painless and amazing high. Then take a quick acting poison.
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No pain + going off with a blast. ;D
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No need to fear it, since it's going to happen anyway.
It's more the cause of death that scares me, I bet a stoning or beheading wouldn't be very enjoyable.
Agreed,If forced by a terminal illness that is painfull im filling a syrynge to the top of insulin and go peacefully.
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There is this little thing in my mind that at times (and I think about death and all that a lot since it interests me imensly) is worried, I wouldn't call it fear but I'm worried that the Church was right and that by not being a commited christian I will end up in Hell.
Now logicly I see that there would be no reason to have a hell since there are so many people out there that are simply not Christians... and what about all the people that have been born before Christianity?
But still there is this little thing that worries me...and simply because I think ANYTHING is possible.
I am however more concerend about the aspect that my wife will die before me, or other loved once, my family has been "blessed" so far and since my Grandad died nobody really died that was close to me.
So yes I am worried that my wife would die young but these feelings are totaly egoistic as in I'm not worried for her I'm worried that I will miss her so much.
There are simply feeling a human can have that are so painful that you want to take your own life and I have been very blessed not having to experience these feelings a lot.
In general If I look at all the missery hurt and shit that is going down on a daily basis around the globe... I'm incredible lucky and blessed.
u worry too much my friend. life live with no regrets. cherish every moment with whoever ur scared of losing and remember that humans are widely similar. there will be another woman in ur life. there will be another person u look upto, or consider a brother. very few things in this life end for good, and if they do, there's usually always alternatives that are just as satisfying. holding a candle for one specific thing that u can never have again will lead to many negative feelings that diminishes the time u spend on this earth.
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I truely believe that there is nothing after you die. That in itself is logical, although no one actually knows and that is what religion is founded upon. I think that the reason that people fear death is a rational one that is purely instinctive.....
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u worry too much my friend. life live with no regrets. cherish every moment with whoever ur scared of losing and remember that humans are widely similar. there will be another woman in ur life. there will be another person u look upto, or consider a brother. very few things in this life end for good, and if they do, there's usually always alternatives that are just as satisfying. holding a candle for one specific thing that u can never have again will lead to many negative feelings that diminishes the time u spend on this earth.
oh I'm not a worrier at all, quite the opposite but when I start thinking about death (and as I have stated before, it interests me) than I get a little worried, Its simply the worries you have about something that is unknown to you but about to happen.
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The people around me look forward to my death with peace and optimism :-\
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question for the lawyers out there!!!
is there a way to not have your loves ones legally obligated to pay off your debt when you die but still be able to leave them an insurance policy?
Haha! You subscribe to "The one who dies with the most debt wins" school of thought, eh?
Some people set up trusts as a way to beat the inheritance tax, among other reasons. Not sure if you can nominate a trust as a beneficiary of a life insurance policy tho and I don't know about it's indemnity when it comes to your personal debt. An accountant would be the one to speak to on these things Steele. This Heath Ledger thing really has you rattled huh? ;)
Zorba said it best: "I'm sad to die and leave behind so many fine wenches. Men like me should live for a thousand years."
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I do not fear death because I do not believe that the concept of nothing has any validity. Applying this concept to anything I can think of, including death, I cannot for the life of me see how nothing is anything more than an idea created by man.
One day I will find some elf spice to see how far the rabbit hole goes.
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I do not fear death because I do not believe that the concept of nothing has any validity. Applying this concept to anything I can think of, including death, I cannot for the life of me see how nothing is anything more than an idea created by man.
One day I will find some elf spice to see how far the rabbit hole goes.
Look no further than DMT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
Shit is amazing, Joe Rogan took it a couple of times and swears by it, it's been mostly produced by the Body while sleeping and while dying, trip takes not longer than 10 - 15 min you need to ly down since it is pretty much like sleeping for 10 min with the most extreme dreams.
You can get DMT from.... *gasp* Grass. :o
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Look no further than DMT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
Shit is amazing, Joe Rogan took it a couple of times and swears by it, it's been mostly produced by the Body while sleeping and while dying, trip takes not longer than 10 - 15 min you need to ly down since it is pretty much like sleeping for 10 min with the most extreme dreams.
You can get DMT from.... *gasp* Grass. :o
Elfspice is another name for DMT.
Edit: And no offense, but that is a pretty poor summary of what happens. I say that to make it clear to you that DMT is no trivial thing - and to perhaps do a bit more research if you are going to do it. If you don't respect substances like DMT you will get yourself in quite a bit of trouble.
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I take comfort in knowing i was not alive before i was born.
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you guys think too much ;D
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Elfspice is another name for DMT.
Edit: And no offense, but that is a pretty poor summary of what happens. I say that to make it clear to you that DMT is no trivial thing - and to perhaps do a bit more research if you are going to do it. If you don't respect substances like DMT you will get yourself in quite a bit of trouble.
rocket rocket rocker ::)
Where did I say that I want to try this? All I heard was you saying you want to know how far the rabbit hole goes and the closest thing I heard of is DMt.
Sorry for not beeing a expert in drugs and DMT in general, also I'm extremly sorry for not doing at least an hour of research before posting general information of DMT ::)
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If it involves unimaginable pain, yes.
If you can die by a painless deadly poison while being loaded up on heroine or something, you can truly go off with a blast
8)
You rang?
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Humans = genetically programmed to fear it, but it is possible to override this fear of death by rational thinking and by reprogramming ones identity through various means.
like what?
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I truely believe that there is nothing after you die. That in itself is logical, although no one actually knows and that is what religion is founded upon. I think that the reason that people fear death is a rational one that is purely instinctive.....
Its not logical to truly believe that there is nothing after you die, because you have no way of confirming it either way. Believing nothing happens after death is the same as believing in life after death, assuming something without a solid reason for doing so. That does not harmonize with logic.
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like what?
Go read up on psychology. Tons of things that can be done to rewire your personality into something you desire with enough effort.
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It is logical to believe that there is nothing after death because it is scientific fact that when you die your are dead and thats the end of that, we are nothing more than biological machines. IMO it is illogical to believe that there maybe something after death and thats where a belief system will come in. The very reason that people say that no one knows if there is life after death is because no one has come back and said that there isn't!!!!??? To me that is illogical.
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is there any other way?
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Man dies
Spirit lives
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Plato's "Allegory of the Cave", is not a proof of an afterlife, but it may convince you that there is more to life than what we see. Remember this was written around 330 bc.
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/platoscave.html
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Everytime bells ring an Angel gets its wings.
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It is logical to believe that there is nothing after death because it is scientific fact that when you die your are dead and thats the end of that, we are nothing more than biological machines. IMO it is illogical to believe that there maybe something after death and thats where a belief system will come in. The very reason that people say that no one knows if there is life after death is because no one has come back and said that there isn't!!!!??? To me that is illogical.
Bullshit, because your arguments implies that we know all there is to know about reality, and we dont. Science can not by any stretch of imagination conclude that we are just biological machines, and that consciousness = simply existing as a function of the biological complexity of the brain. Your "logical" conclusion ain't logical.
It is illogical to BELIEVE something happens after death, but it is logical to not rule out that SOMETHING happens after death, and its illogical to believe nothing happens after death.
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who is your favorite philosopher Debussey?
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Had i not known
that i was dead
already
i would have mourned
my loss of life
-- Death poem of Ota Dokan, 1486
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who is your favorite philosopher Debussey?
Gary Busey.
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Whats BULLSHIT about it?? With things like this logic is a farce, but Im not even sure you know that you are playing on it. Tell me why is your logic correct and not mine? Fuckin hell, how arrogant are you? I would go as far as saying that my logic is more correct than yours because mine is based on fact and yours is based on assumption, but thats not what this is about. Ok your saying that you believe that is logical to think that there is something after death because we do not know everything about our own reality. This in essence is a logical reasoning and it would mean that we are both correct i.e. we both came to a logical conclusion from our own perspective of things, although we can both say that the others logic is illogical for the same reason. The problem with what your saying though lies with the fact that we do not know for certain, that we do not know everything about our reality. Also even if you say that we dont know for certain that we do know if there is anything else to be discovered about our reality, who is to say that means that there is something after we die. Those discoveries could manifest themselves in a millions different things and not an after life "something" for us. I think that your theory is basically flawed athough "logical" in your eyes because it is too general, not specific enough and you are assuming to many things that we have no conscious concept or knowledge of. You are basically clutching at straws with this arguement. Christians have come up with "logical" explanations for God for over 2000 yrs does that mean that they are right???
With regards to this I would rather choose to see and live by what we know now, although at the same time I am all for forward, free thinking. You cant say that my way of thinking is full of crap because you have a bullshit, guestimating, assuming logical reasoning you fool.
Oh and of course us simply existing as a function of the biological complexity of the brain is logical to believe.............ha ha ha ha..........Note to Debussy, look up meaning of logic......
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Being dead is the same as being unborn, you're just a dead piece of meat.
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Gary Busey.
R.I.P Gary.
He will never be forgotten :(
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Being dead is the same as being unborn, you're just a dead piece of meat.
i'm not so sure they are the same
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i'm not so sure they are the same
I don't see how they could be different.
Can't wait to see ;D
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I don't see how they could be different.
Can't wait to see ;D
That was pretty stupid to say that a dead body is pretty much the same as an unborn.
Well for a starter, when you are dead you are decaying, your body has in fact stop lfuntioning.
When you are unborn (and we need to specify here what status of the unborn we are talking about) your body is growing, moving, cells are multiplying and that includes the very first moment a sperm fertilizes the egg.
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That was pretty stupid to say that a dead body is pretty much the same as an unborn.
Well for a starter, when you are dead you are decaying, your body has in fact stop lfuntioning.
When you are unborn (and we need to specify here what status of the unborn we are talking about) your body is growing, moving, cells are multiplying and that includes the very first moment a sperm fertilizes the egg.
In both states you're unconscious, that's what I mean. It's stupid to think that there's "something" after death.
Maybe I should have said "not conceived/alive yet" instead of "unborn".
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Gary Busey lifts weights not for performance therefore must derive internal satisfaction from the action.
The main internal satisfaction for lifting weights is increased muscle mass(or perception/possibility thereof).
A bodybuilder lifts weights for image enhancement.
Gary Busey is most likely a bodybuilder.
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In both states you're unconscious, that's what I mean. It's stupid to think that there's "something" after death.
Maybe I should have said "not conceived/alive yet" instead of "unborn".
First of you are not uncontious when you are unborn, just because you cannot remember the fact what it is like lying in your mothers womb doesn't mean you are unconcious.
We can discuss this until we are blue because it is the age old question WHEN are we alife? Or better WHEN does life start? Moral Christian Crusadors believe life starts with fertilisation, People who believe more in sience and less in Religion tend to lean over to the site that Live begins when giving birth or when the Baby is a couple of Month old.
But it is absolutly stupid to say that an unborn baby what ever stage it is currently in is equal to a dead person.
Just because something doesn't have a concience doesn't mean its dead.
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First of you are not uncontious when you are unborn, just because you cannot remember the fact what it is like lying in your mothers womb doesn't mean you are unconcious.
We can discuss this until we are blue because it is the age old question WHEN are we alife? Or better WHEN does life start? Moral Christian Crusadors believe life starts with fertilisation, People who believe more in sience and less in Religion tend to lean over to the site that Live begins when giving birth or when the Baby is a couple of Month old.
But it is absolutly stupid to say that an unborn baby what ever stage it is currently in is equal to a dead person.
Just because something doesn't have a concience doesn't mean its dead.
The chinese believe that animals without a voice don't have a soul, like fish, turtles and so on. ::)
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First of you are not uncontious when you are unborn, just because you cannot remember the fact what it is like lying in your mothers womb doesn't mean you are unconcious.
We can discuss this until we are blue because it is the age old question WHEN are we alife? Or better WHEN does life start? Moral Christian Crusadors believe life starts with fertilisation, People who believe more in sience and less in Religion tend to lean over to the site that Live begins when giving birth or when the Baby is a couple of Month old.
But it is absolutly stupid to say that an unborn baby what ever stage it is currently in is equal to a dead person.
Just because something doesn't have a concience doesn't mean its dead.
my mammy told me long time ago that a stiff black dick dont have no conscious
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The chinese believe that animals without a voice don't have a soul, like fish, turtles and so on. ::)
thats rubbish I bet you that you find no prove the chinese believe that ::)
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Gary Busey lifts weights not for performance therefore must derive internal satisfaction from the action.
The main internal satisfaction for lifting weights is increased muscle mass(or perception/possibility thereof).
A bodybuilder lifts weights for image enhancement.
Gary Busey is most likely a bodybuilder.
Far out, just let the man rest in peace. It was tragic, but its time to accept fate.
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thats rubbish I bet you that you find no prove the chinese believe that ::)
did i say i believe it? ;D ;D
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thats rubbish I bet you that you find no prove the chinese believe that ::)
i met a catholic nun who said the same thing about dogs and cats last week. what an idiot.
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So you guys think animals (humans excepted) have self-awareness/a soul ? ??? ??? ::)
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So you guys think animals (humans excepted) have self-awareness/a soul ? ??? ???
i'm not an expert on that, r u ?
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i met a catholic nun who said the same thing about dogs and cats last week. what an idiot.
Don't start with the catholic believes towards animals...
they even have them categorized as to which animals can go to heaven and which to hell... ::) ::)
So you guys think animals (humans excepted) have self-awareness/a soul ? ??? ???
all beings have, even trees and plants and stone and water. it's called QI (氣)
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all beings have, even trees and plants and stone and water. it's called QI (氣)
No.
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Don't start with the catholic believes towards animals...
they even have them categorized as to which animals can go to heaven and which to hell... ::) ::)
all beings have, even trees and plants and stone and water. it's called QI (氣)
that's beautiful
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No.
how can you say that?
that's beautiful
thanks.
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Debussey wins this match by "formal logic 101"-slam.
phreak will have nightmares about Wittgenstein tonight. :(
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So you guys think animals (humans excepted) have self-awareness/a soul ? ??? ??? ::)
Can you define your terms for us, so we know what you mean by "self-awareness" and "soul"? How is one equivalent to the other?
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Gary Busey.
thats bogus.
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If you die and the first thing you see are these guys, then you done fucked up .....
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So you guys think animals (humans excepted) have self-awareness/a soul ? ??? ??? ::)
I do, they can't conceptualize "I", but they do have some kind of conscienceness and aware of their self (most definitely in higher evolved animals, mammals), I have never seen an animal try to eats its own leg, except of course if it was caught in a leg hold trap by demand from a person who cant be beautiful without anothers skin.
Also, no one has proved what goes on inside any animals head, philospher or scientists, so why not give them the benefit of the doubt?
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thats bogus.
Be nice to God (Gary) >:(
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"ALL men die. NOT ALL men really live."
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This = not a post about being suicidal. This post is for people living a good life with a solid personality.
Do you look forward to dying or are you afraid of it?`
If you are afraid of it, why? Is there a REAL rational reason for being afraid?
Can you think of reasons to look forward to your death with a sense of peace and optimism?
Debussey thinks looking forward to your death with peace and optimism, and almost a kind of excitement, all while living a great life on earth and being responsible = the way to go. It also makes the most logical sense.
I don't look forward to it. I am indifferent because I agree with whatever happens after life.
One of the most scientific theory so far as to what is likely to occur after death states you already are and will re-live your life in endless iterations, without ever knowing it. This is because our universe is a cyclic universe. All energy/matter is sent out through Big Bang and all matter/energy does eventually at a later point in the cycle start to come back to the same point and in same formation by gravitational pull. No forces outside the universe exists to create random events, so the way it works is pure physic laws. You will now have an identical black hole as last time hence explodes the same exact way as last time. Of cause the time before and after your existence in each cycle you are unaware of, no waiting x billion years for the same atoms is to result into your body again.
A fast clean death could be of importance since you will likely have to go through it the same way for eternity.
cheers!
have fun!
hope this helps!
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I don't look forward to it. I am indifferent because I agree with whatever happens after life.
One of the most scientific theory so far as to what is likely to occur after death states you already are and will re-live your life in endless iterations, without ever knowing it. This is because our universe is a cyclic universe. All energy/matter is sent out through Big Bang and all matter/energy does eventually at a later point in the cycle start to come back to the same point and in same formation by gravitational pull. No forces outside the universe exists to create random events, so the way it works is pure physic laws. You will now have an identical black hole as last time hence explodes the same exact way as last time. Of cause the time before and after your existence in each cycle you are unaware of, no waiting x billion years for the same atoms is to result into your body again.
A fast clean death could be of importance since you will likely have to go through it the same way for eternity.
cheers!
have fun!
hope this helps!
IF this theory were to be true, it would really not be that bad. :) Endless worship of Gary Busey ;D
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Figgs' belief=oneness with all that is. Unity of Being between all things in existence. One man coined the phrase Aria Invictus to define all as one. I like that. Hindus call it Vedanta. Buddhists also share the same belief. So does Jesus, but his followers rarely understand parables and take them literally, unfortunately.
This next quote is the near end of a book I just finished reading (and just as recently began again) called The Book On The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are, by Alan Watts. I recommend this book to Debussey because I truly believe it's the most important book I've ever read in my life and it may just have that same effect on you. I follow the quote with more quotes to try to propel my point about "Aria Invictus."
"I presume, then, that with my own death I shall forget who I was, just as my conscious attention is unable to recall, if it ever knew, how to form the cells of the brain and the pattern of the veins. Conscious memory plays little part in our biological existence. Thus as my sensation of 'I-ness,' of being alive, once came into being without conscious memory or intent, so it will arise again and again, as the 'central' self-the IT- appears as the self/other situation in its myriads of pulsating forms-always the same and always new, a here in the midst of a there, a now in the midst of then, and a one in the midst of many. And if I forget how many times I have been here, and in how many shapes, this forgetting is the necessary interval of darkness between every pulsation of light. I return in every baby born.
Actually, we know this already. After people die, babies are born-and, unless they are automata, every one of them is, just as we ourselves were, the 'I' experience coming again into being. The conditions of heredity and environmental change, but each of those babies incarnates the same experience of being central to a work that is 'other.' Each infant dawns into life as I did, without any memory of a past. Thus when I am gone there can be no experience, no living through, of the state of being a perpetual 'has-been.' Nature 'abhors the vacuum; and the I-feeling appears again as it did before, and it matters not whether the interval be ten seconds or billions of years. In unconsciousness all times are the same brief instant.
This is so obvious, but our block against seeing it is the ingrained and compelling myth that the 'I' comes into this world, or is thrown out from it. Thus we do not trust the universe to repeat what it has already done- to 'I' itself again and again. We see it as an eternal arena in which the individual is no more than a temporary stranger- a visitor who hardly belongs- for the thin ray of consciousness does not shine upon its own source. In looking out upon the world, we forget that the world is looking at itself-through our eyes and IT's."
-Alan Watts
Another gem from that book:
"But when you know for sure that your separate ego is a fiction, you actually feel yourself as the whole process and pattern of life. Experience and experiencer become one experiencing, known and knower one knowing. Each organism experiences this from a different standpoint and in a different way, for each organism is the universe experiencing itself in endless variety."
"I am an orphan, alone; nevertheless I am found everywhere. I am one, but opposed to myself. I am youth and old man at one and the same time. I have known neither father nor mother, because I have had to be fetched out of the deep like a fish, or fell like a white stone from heaven. In woods and mountains I roam, but I am hidden in the innermost soul of man. I am mortal for everyone, yet I am not touched by the cycle of aeons."
"In some way or other we are part of a single, all-embracing psyche, a single 'greatest man. . . .'"
"At times I feel as if I am spread out over the landscape and inside things, and am myself living in every tree, in the plashing of the waves, in the clouds and the animals that come and go, in the procession of the seasons."
-Carl Jung
"Thus you can throw yourself flat on the ground, stretched out upon Mother Earth, with the certain conviction that you are one with her and she with you. You are as firmly established, as invulnerable as she, indeed a thousand times firmer and more invulnerable. As surely as she will engulf you tomorrow, so surely will she bring you forth anew to new striving and suffering. And not merely 'some day': now, today, every day she is bringing you forth, not once but thousands upon thousands of times, just as every day she engulfs you a thousand times over. For eternally and always there is only now, one and the same now; the present is the only thing that has no end."
-Erwin Shrodinger
"When you make the two one, and when you make the inner as the outer and the outer as the inner and the above as the below, then shall you enter the Kingdom. I am the Light that is above them all, I am the All, the All came forth from Me and the All attained to Me. Cleave a piece of wood, I am there; lift up the stone and you will find Me there."
-Jesus
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You've got the right attitude, DF!
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You've got the right attitude, DF!
RIP :'(