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Will Letro or Adex help prevent an increase in estrogen from HCG taken during cycle or do you need nolvadex of clomid? Doesn't the estrogen caused by HCG originate from from another pathway - i.e not the aromatase enzyme?
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Dont overdose HCG,I would only recommend using 300EOD while juicing.
The old school huge dosages at the end of the cycle method is doing exacly the oposite of its purpose.
Now regarding the E,while on juice or PCT you should take something to fight the E.Inhibithors being the prefered way but if you cant afford them than blockers do a pretty good job too.
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I have been taking Letro and just recently added some HCG three times a week. After adding the HCG my E levels went up. And, increasing the Letro did not help that much. This leads me to believe that the extra E is produced directly by the testes (i think i read this somewhere) and not via the aromatase enzyme. If this is correct, then only an AE will help - not an AI. Is this the case?
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Dont overdose HCG,I would only recommend using 300EOD while juicing.
The old school huge dosages at the end of the cycle method is doing exacly the oposite of its purpose.
Now regarding the E,while on juice or PCT you should take something to fight the E.Inhibithors being the prefered way but if you cant afford them than blockers do a pretty good job too.
I disagree, but I've commented on this several times and it's all over the board.
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I disagree, but I've commented on this several times and it's all over the board.
Thanks, but can you help me with my estrogen question?
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I disagree, but I've commented on this several times and it's all over the board.
So?
I have no idea what you base your conclusion on but if you do some searchs way back to Marvle/Big O days,I think thats when you just started hanging around here you would see lots of info to back up what I said.
I really fail to see why would you like to keep supressing the system after the cycle and even worse take in huge amounts of HCG that IIRC proved to cause a sharp rise of estrogen in the testiceles.
And on top of that while juicing and not keeping the testies alive with small dosage of HCG you let the cells die slowly.
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Thanks, but can you help me with my estrogen question?
Yes, its simple, the testes produce a LOT of Testo from HCG. It can flip to estro.
Its somewhat individual and dose dependant.... Also, the chances of "Research" anything being not legit or underdosed, or the wrong product entirely, are much more possible than good old cheap HG nolva
being what its supposed to be. Allways Go w/ high odds probabilities in life.
Hey, you may not require any protection w/ HCG up to 500iu.
I can go 300-500iu w/ out NOlva.
I prefer 1000iu every 3rd day w/ 20mg Nolva AFTER cycle, or in the middle after androgens, before switch to anabolics bias stack.
BTW, THe Jerkoff talking about end of cycle HCG use as not usefull is talkin out his ass....
HCG works in better ways for individuals, need find yours.
I wouldnt trust research shit. Read Palumbos post on Research clomid in this months MD. Neither does he.
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So?
I have no idea what you base your conclusion on but if you do some searchs way back to Marvle/Big O days,I think thats when you just started hanging around here you would see lots of info to back up what I said.
I really fail to see why would you like to keep supressing the system after the cycle and even worse take in huge amounts of HCG that IIRC proved to cause a sharp rise of estrogen in the testiceles.
And on top of that while juicing and not keeping the testies alive with small dosage of HCG you let the cells die slowly.
Here's why - HCG on cycle shrinks my nuts fast. So I'll never use it like that again.
There is a LOT of individual chemistry come to play, I dont have tiem to spoon feed you.
You may be right for YOU, but not for all. SHBG is the issue.
Hope this helps.
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BTW, THe Jerkoff talking about end of cycle HCG use as not usefull is talkin out his ass....
HCG works in better ways for individuals, need find yours.
I wouldnt trust research shit. Read Palumbos post on Research clomid in this months MD. Neither does he.
LMAO!
1.You listen to someone that almost went into jail for selling fake GH and looks like a lab experiment.
2.Your understanding of the HPTA is quite small if you think that taking HCG help you recover,you just keep your system supressed.But you do force the testies to work,thats why you need it IN cycle.
Out of the cycle your body to produce LH,FSH and so on,by giving it those hormons from the outside you keep holding back the recovery process.
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LMAO!
1.You listen to someone that almost went into jail for selling fake GH and looks like a lab experiment.
2.Your understanding of the HPTA is quite small if you think that taking HCG help you recover,you just keep your system supressed.But you do force the testies to work,thats why you need it IN cycle.
Out of the cycle your body to produce LH,FSH and so on,by giving it those hormons from the outside you keep holding back the recovery process.
FUck you, Ive got lab works dating back before you were out of HS...
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FUck you, Ive got lab works dating back before you were out of HS...
::)
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what is hcg? ....and does clomid raise your test levels? what would be the benefits of taking clomid by itself..without any anabolics... would the anti-estrogen effects make me tighter, and dryer... or does that only work if your taking something that elevate e levels past normal? how does the test boosting effects of clomid and other anti-e aromatose inhibitors compare with herbal pro-t supps like tribulus and dhea? ive heard that clomid + high dose trib+ a few hundred mg of dhea per day is a good pct..and also works well by itself ...
whats your guys opinions on this?
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Will Letro or Adex help prevent an increase in estrogen from HCG taken during cycle or do you need nolvadex of clomid? Doesn't the estrogen caused by HCG originate from from another pathway - i.e not the aromatase enzyme?
letro and adex are AI's (meaning they stop estrogen from forming in the first place) so they will prevent estrogen from being produced by HCG use. Nolvadex and clomid are SERMS (meaning they stop estrogen from binding to breast tissues).
One thing to be careful of is that when letro or adex is discontinued, your body will produce alot of estrogen as it tries to re-establish the test:estrogen balance. I only have experience with letro, but start taking 20mg/day of nolva the day before you stop letro so that you wont have any potential gyno problems.
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The best things said about HCG on this board actually come from this guy:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=166108.0
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what is hcg? ....and does clomid raise your test levels? what would be the benefits of taking clomid by itself..without any anabolics... would the anti-estrogen effects make me tighter, and dryer... or does that only work if your taking something that elevate e levels past normal? how does the test boosting effects of clomid and other anti-e aromatose inhibitors compare with herbal pro-t supps like tribulus and dhea? ive heard that clomid + high dose trib+ a few hundred mg of dhea per day is a good pct..and also works well by itself ...
whats your guys opinions on this?
Holy shitload of ?'s... ;D
HCG is a Major performance enhancer, sex and agression and strength. Blow back up the old nuts pretty quickly.
Zits, water retention, Horny, strong,,, Gyno potential.
It nor clomid is going to make you dry. Last pics you put up looked pretty cut I thought?
Clomid can screw w/ you Psyche too. Almost trippy acid-Like dreams. Some dont get on well with it, tread slowlly.
Skip the "Research" Co stuff alltogether.
Trib seem to have a slight libido + to me.
If ripped is your goal ECA is the simple more efficant route.
Unless you been on a cycle of AAS, HCG or clomid dont offer anything.
Cheat bridging a test in the old days, but I think they will pop you on HCG even today.
These compounds really dont offer a edge by themself. Its more complicated to try to use them like that.
HCG do kick ass, but save it for post cycle or during cycle if it works well for that guy.
Better question is what your result your shooting at?
YOuve cut down a LOT , right? Dont give away beef trying to harden up too much.
("Tighter dryer" Lead me to think that what your driving at)
HCG last thing to get tight & dry. Its wet wet wet.
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The best things said about HCG on this board actually come from this guy:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=166108.0
yes that is a good post, as is many of freakfestMD's regarding HCG.
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Its quite late here now,I hope I will get around to doing some research and gather some of the old info that I havnt saved on my comp.
If I'll find some time for that I will keep you updated.Im sorry but I dont like this kind of usage of drugs.
I did similar mistakes in my past and I hope others wont do them again after me.
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I have been taking Letro and just recently added some HCG three times a week. After adding the HCG my E levels went up. And, increasing the Letro did not help that much. This leads me to believe that the extra E is produced directly by the testes (i think i read this somewhere) and not via the aromatase enzyme. If this is correct, then only an AE will help - not an AI. Is this the case?
This is odd, as .25mg/day of letro stops around 96% of all estrogen from being produced, there is really no reason to go above that dose because of the extreme diminishing returns. How do you know your estrogen levels went up? If you are positive they did go up, I would consider how legit your letro really is
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Its quite late here now,I hope I will get around to doing some research and gather some of the old info that I havnt saved on my comp.
If I'll find some time for that I will keep you updated.Im sorry but I dont like this kind of usage of drugs.
I did similar mistakes in my past and I hope others wont do them again after me.
How old are you?
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Holy shitload of ?'s... ;D
HCG is a Major performance enhancer, sex and agression and strength. Blow back up the old nuts pretty quickly.
Zits, water retention, Horny, strong,,, Gyno potential.
It nor clomid is going to make you dry. Last pics you put up looked pretty cut I thought?
Clomid can screw w/ you Psyche too. Almost trippy acid-Like dreams. Some dont get on well with it, tread slowlly.
Skip the "Research" Co stuff alltogether.
Trib seem to have a slight libido + to me.
If ripped is your goal ECA is the simple more efficant route.
Unless you been on a cycle of AAS, HCG or clomid dont offer anything.
Cheat bridging a test in the old days, but I think they will pop you on HCG even today.
These compounds really dont offer a edge by themself. Its more complicated to try to use them like that.
HCG do kick ass, but save it for post cycle or during cycle if it works well for that guy.
Better question is what your result your shooting at?
YOuve cut down a LOT , right? Dont give away beef trying to harden up too much.
("Tighter dryer" Lead me to think that what your driving at)
HCG last thing to get tight & dry. Its wet wet wet.
i am competing this fall, maybe doing a warm up this summer....problem is, while my bf is low and i have put on some good size in the last month or two..my skin is loose and i have discovered that i have very high estrogen levels. (by my natrual water retention and where i store my fat.....my trainer/training partner is a top level bodybuilder and sort of a guru on hormones..he wont give me advise on this shit though because he says i have to wait a few years before hell get me on a cycle.) so i need to tighten up my skin and bring down my e levels for contest time...so i figure i need to start researching and gettiing all my facts straight ahead of time. right now im focusin on eating as much protein as i can every t and a half hours and training with 150% just tryng to put on size...and if clomid or tribulus can help me ut on size while lowering e levels then thats a plus..
i still dont know what hcg is...htink im going to google it
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i am competing this fall, maybe doing a warm up this summer....problem is, while my bf is low and i have put on some good size in the last month or two..my skin is loose and i have discovered that i have very high estrogen levels. (by my natrual water retention and where i store my fat.....my trainer/training partner is a top level bodybuilder and sort of a guru on hormones..he wont give me advise on this shit though because he says i have to wait a few years before hell get me on a cycle.) so i need to tighten up my skin and bring down my e levels for contest time...so i figure i need to start researching and gettiing all my facts straight ahead of time. right now im focusin on eating as much protein as i can every t and a half hours and training with 150% just tryng to put on size...and if clomid or tribulus can help me ut on size while lowering e levels then thats a plus..
i still dont know what hcg is...htink im going to google it
That link AJ gave is real good by RDW. HCG is made from PREGNANT WOMES PISS. It makes your nuts think its time to make testorone like no tommorow, even when they went on strike because of high levels of synthetic testo and resultant estrogen.
Dont use unless cycling or post cycle. Pack on more lean mass to fill out loose skin.
DId you have up a recent pic that looked pretty good I thougt?
Just keep at what your doing.
Steroids can cause a shitload of problems, take baby steps if/when you mess with them.
Dont end/around the HCG/Clomid thinkin' its easieer or safer, its harder more complicated.
Many never use HCG for years. Old Skool never did.
I like the agression and sexdrive of HCG. It and Drol is only thing can make me smooth.
See a bloated NFL Lineman or WWE guy? Bald, bloated, strong, zits, mean - Testo and HCG cycles.
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i am competing this fall, maybe doing a warm up this summer....problem is, while my bf is low and i have put on some good size in the last month or two..my skin is loose and i have discovered that i have very high estrogen levels. (by my natrual water retention and where i store my fat.....my trainer/training partner is a top level bodybuilder and sort of a guru on hormones..he wont give me advise on this shit though because he says i have to wait a few years before hell get me on a cycle.) so i need to tighten up my skin and bring down my e levels for contest time...so i figure i need to start researching and gettiing all my facts straight ahead of time. right now im focusin on eating as much protein as i can every t and a half hours and training with 150% just tryng to put on size...and if clomid or tribulus can help me ut on size while lowering e levels then thats a plus..
i still dont know what hcg is...htink im going to google it
hahah who is your "guru" ? I bet you train with gh15.
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How old are you?
Too old for my own good.Now what that have to do with lack of proper info about shit you inject?
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Too old for my own good.Now what that have to do with lack of proper info about shit you inject?
Guy, if theres anyone here knows waht they are talkin about re AAS, I do.
Ask around. You have not shown you know jack shit and are not going to get a warm welcome like this.
Stick to the proven shit for results and your healths sake.
Want to talk herbals and shit go the ProHormone gang.
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Guy, if theres anyone here knows waht they are talkin about re AAS, I do.
Ask around. You have not shown you know jack shit and are not going to get a warm welcome like this.
Stick to the proven shit for results and your healths sake.
Want to talk herbals and shit go the ProHormone gang.
oh man you are angry and thats like a privilege because you are never like that ;D
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Guy, if theres anyone here knows waht they are talkin about re AAS, I do.
Ask around. You have not shown you know jack shit and are not going to get a warm welcome like this.
Stick to the proven shit for results and your healths sake.
Want to talk herbals and shit go the ProHormone gang.
You keep showing how ignorant you are man,its kind of sad.
1.I dont need a warm welcome,if you will bother checking my profile you will see that Im a member here for quite a while.
2.I never talked about prohormones and never claimed that herbs are a subtitue for anabolics.
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You keep showing how ignorant you are man,its kind of sad.
1.I dont need a warm welcome,if you will bother checking my profile you will see that Im a member here for quite a while.
2.I never talked about prohormones and never claimed that herbs are a subtitue for anabolics.
Kid, you dont know WTF you are talking about.
I may be goofy and pissed at a total fool (That be you Ghetto boy), but your clueless about
what this board is about. Namely steroids, their effective use and effects (good and bad) how to best deal with that.
And pissing around w/ 1/2 assed supplements instead of real legit pharma will get you nothing but a thinner wallet.
So be my guest, prove whats worked from the 1960's for athletes wrong....
BTW You live in the Ghetto Right?
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Kid, you dont know WTF you are talking about.
I may be goofy and pissed at a total fool (That be you Ghetto boy), but your clueless about
what this board is about. Namely steroids, their effective use and effects (good and bad) how to best deal with that.
And pissing around w/ 1/2 assed supplements instead of real legit pharma will get you nothing but a thinner wallet.
So be my guest, prove whats worked from the 1960's for athletes wrong....
BTW You live in the Ghetto Right?
Its truly amazing,you created a complete debate with yourself,I havnt said any of what you claim.Not only that,you call medical research voodo.
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Its truly amazing,you created a complete debate with yourself,I havnt said any of what you claim.Not only that,you call medical research voodo.
Here, I'll refresh your crack damaged memory with links to your own posts.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198239.0
http://www.zhion.com/herb/Pycnogenol_Benefits_Side_Effects.html
Uh Huh,,,, I'll be want'n to try this stuff for PCT & Cancer & dandruff & maybee we can send some to Brittany Spears too. ;D
Here's a oldie but goodie... TestoEnanthate + Deca + Dbol,,,,,, HCG..... Nolva and/or Adex as needed.
Please,,,, back to the baketball court.
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Candi, HumanChorionicGonadatrop in mimics the effect of leutenizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone (yes, I got increased hair :-X). Your nuts read it as a signal to start producing test. Some guys don't like it in PCT since it delays your body's own LH and FSH coming back.
Clomid is prescribed to women to bring about ovulation. It makes your body think there's less hormones around than there are, so it tricks the feedback loop to some extent. That's why it is usually paired with HCG, and used after HCG, during PCT. I don't think it's an anti E or AI but lots of guys on the boards say so, so maybe I'm in for a telling off.
Also, you mentioned DHEA as an herbal supp. Dehydroepiandrosterone is an adrenal prohormone. It's one of those things that if you already have enough, supplementing it won't do anything for you.
I agree with trab and your trainer. Your progress is good naturally.
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Here, I'll refresh your crack damaged memory with links to your own posts.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198239.0
http://www.zhion.com/herb/Pycnogenol_Benefits_Side_Effects.html
Uh Huh,,,, I'll be want'n to try this stuff for PCT & Cancer & dandruff & maybee we can send some to Brittany Spears too. ;D
Here is something intresting that I found last night:
BACKGROUND: There is a growing awareness that oxidative stress may play a role in periodontal disease. The aim of this investigation was to evaluate potential oxidant/antioxidant interactions of nicotine with antioxidants (Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ), Pycnogenol and phytoestrogens in a cell culture model. METHODS: Duplicate incubations of human periosteal fibroblasts and osteoblasts were performed with 14C-testosterone as substrate, in the presence or absence of CoQ (20 microg/ml), Pycnogenol (150 microg/ml), and phytoestrogens (10 and 40 microg/ml), alone and in combination with nicotine (250 microg/ml). At the end of a 24-h incubation period, the medium was solvent extracted and testosterone metabolites were separated by thin-layer chromatography and quantified using a radioisotope scanner. RESULTS: The incubations of osteoblasts and periosteal fibroblasts with CoQ, Pycnogenol or phytoestrogens stimulated the synthesis of the physiologically active androgen DHT, while the yields of DHT were significantly reduced in response to nicotine compared to control values (p<0.001 for phytoestrogens). The combination of nicotine with CoQ, Pycnogenol or phytoestrogens increased the yields of DHT compared with incubation with nicotine alone in both cell types. CONCLUSION: This investigation suggests that the catabolic effects of nicotine could be reversed by the addition of antioxidants such as CoQ or Pycnogenol and phytoestrogens.
Here's a oldie but goodie... TestoEnanthate + Deca + Dbol,,,,,, HCG..... Nolva and/or Adex as needed.
Please,,,, back to the baketball court.
Insted of showing how illetirate you are,why dont you qoute where I said that Pycnogenol is a replecment for any of the substances you mentioned?
Further more,please qoute any of the MEDICAL STUDIES I posted and show me what is so bad about it?
Here are some qoutes for you :
Intake of Pycnogenol for 1 month restored erectile function to normal. Intercourse frequency doubled. e-NOS in spermatozoa and testosterone levels in blood increased significantly. Cholesterol levels and blood pressure were lowered. No unwanted effects were reported. Prelox is a promising alternative to treat mild to moderate ED.International Journal of Impotence Research advance online publication, 16 August 2007;
RESULTS: All climacteric symptoms improved, antioxidative status increased and LDL/HDL ratio was favourably altered by Pycnogenol. No side effects were reported. CONCLUSION: Pycnogenol may offer an alternative method to reducing climacteric symptoms without unwanted effects
After 1 month of treatment with L-arginine, a statistically nonsignificant number of 2 patients (5%) experienced a normal erection. Treatment with a combination of L-arginine and Pycnogenol for the following month increased the number of men with restored sexual ability to 80%. Finally, after the third month of treatment, 92.5% of the men experienced a normal erection. We conclude that oral administration of L-arginine in combination with Pycnogenol causes a significant improvement in sexual function in men with ED without any side effects.
The methods of the study were: 1. Assessment of the conventional semen analysis (according the criteria of WHO, 1999). 2. Spermatozoa function tests. 3. Spermatozoa-cervical mucus penetration tests. RESULTS: The obtained results showed improvement of sperm quality, in the middle-aged men the therapeutic answers was better than in younger. In conclusion the therapy with Prelox improve sperm parameters in men with idiopathic infertility. Pycnogenol (one of the constituents of Prelox) has powerful antioxidative influence ameliorating spermatozoa function
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i am competing this fall, maybe doing a warm up this summer....problem is, while my bf is low and i have put on some good size in the last month or two..my skin is loose and i have discovered that i have very high estrogen levels. (by my natrual water retention and where i store my fat.....my trainer/training partner is a top level bodybuilder and sort of a guru on hormones..he wont give me advise on this shit though because he says i have to wait a few years before hell get me on a cycle.) so i need to tighten up my skin and bring down my e levels for contest time...so i figure i need to start researching and gettiing all my facts straight ahead of time. right now im focusin on eating as much protein as i can every t and a half hours and training with 150% just tryng to put on size...and if clomid or tribulus can help me ut on size while lowering e levels then thats a plus..
i still dont know what hcg is...htink im going to google it
You kidding? You want to use gear at 19 years old?? Shit, you have to be 21 just to be in this section Candi. jk, dont flip out... ;) listen to your guru
Train hard, eat a lot, rest, repeat. You have years until you think of AAS, much less Hcg.
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Insted of showing how illetirate you are,why dont you qoute where I said that Pycnogenol is a replecment for any of the substances you mentioned?
Further more,please qoute any of the MEDICAL STUDIES I posted and show me what is so bad about it?
Here are some qoutes for you :
Intake of Pycnogenol for 1 month restored erectile function to normal. Intercourse frequency doubled. e-NOS in spermatozoa and testosterone levels in blood increased significantly. Cholesterol levels and blood pressure were lowered. No unwanted effects were reported. Prelox is a promising alternative to treat mild to moderate ED.International Journal of Impotence Research advance online publication, 16 August 2007;
RESULTS: All climacteric symptoms improved, antioxidative status increased and LDL/HDL ratio was favourably altered by Pycnogenol. No side effects were reported. CONCLUSION: Pycnogenol may offer an alternative method to reducing climacteric symptoms without unwanted effects
After 1 month of treatment with L-arginine, a statistically nonsignificant number of 2 patients (5%) experienced a normal erection. Treatment with a combination of L-arginine and Pycnogenol for the following month increased the number of men with restored sexual ability to 80%. Finally, after the third month of treatment, 92.5% of the men experienced a normal erection. We conclude that oral administration of L-arginine in combination with Pycnogenol causes a significant improvement in sexual function in men with ED without any side effects.
The methods of the study were: 1. Assessment of the conventional semen analysis (according the criteria of WHO, 1999). 2. Spermatozoa function tests. 3. Spermatozoa-cervical mucus penetration tests. RESULTS: The obtained results showed improvement of sperm quality, in the middle-aged men the therapeutic answers was better than in younger. In conclusion the therapy with Prelox improve sperm parameters in men with idiopathic infertility. Pycnogenol (one of the constituents of Prelox) has powerful antioxidative influence ameliorating spermatozoa function
Dude, your a laughing stock here with this. No steroid user is going to risk some herbals.
We'er pumping synthetic male testo into the body, risking some herbs to deal with the sides is STUPID.
I got news, Nobody is reading your shit.
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i have discovered that i have very high estrogen levels.
You do not KNOW you have "very high E levels". Besides, if your E levels are very high then your test is very high as well, since basically ALL estrogen in males comes from testosterone aromatizing.
Raising testosterone by taking aromatase inhibitors or SERMs (such as Clomid) is worthless, pretty much, from a physique enhancing perspective. Yes, you will raise test but your GH and IGF-1 will take a sharp dive. And estrogen is important for other reasons as well.
Tribulus does nothing, in a stack or as a standalone.
IMO, taking these "PCT drugs" is worse for your health than just taking some test. Test is natural and nontoxic while these other drugs are not.
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You do not KNOW you have "very high E levels". Besides, if your E levels are very high then your test is very high as well, since basically ALL estrogen in males comes from testosterone aromatizing.
Raising testosterone by taking aromatase inhibitors or SERMs (such as Clomid) is worthless, pretty much, from a physique enhancing perspective. Yes, you will raise test but your GH and IGF-1 will take a sharp dive. And estrogen is important for other reasons as well.
Tribulus does nothing, in a stack or as a standalone.
Yuper.... I get a kick out of self diagnosis of hormone levels. ;D
Candy had up some good pics of progress if Im not mistaken.... Hes on a good roll.
Shame to muck it up w/ some junk gear tahts as common as piss.
Lift eat rest... Get stronger...
PL your way to big. Then baby step AAS with his history. Easy to get stuck on cycle for life with no real gains.
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Will Letro or Adex help prevent an increase in estrogen from HCG taken during cycle or do you need nolvadex of clomid? Doesn't the estrogen caused by HCG originate from from another pathway - i.e not the aromatase enzyme?
Nope the testes do not produce estrogen. It is the same pathway HCG cause more test to be produced and it is excessive test that will cause the aromatase. So Letro would be a good choice. Like Btymer said maybe your Letro is bunk?
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Dude, your a laughing stock here with this. No steroid user is going to risk some herbals.
We'er pumping synthetic male testo into the body, risking some herbs to deal with the sides is STUPID.
I got news, Nobody is reading your shit.
How exacly using a herb that have showed NO side effects in any MEDICAL study and showed SIGNIFICANT effects on Nitric Oxides is taking a risk?
All the evidence show that this herb should be taken as a part of the supplement regime.I personly have added it to my multi-vitamin,omega 3 etc I take each day.
For some reason your feable mind seem to think I suggested it as a replacment for a steroid or anti-E.
Insted of talking out of your ass you should take 10min to read the articles I posted and educate yourself.