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Based on my research it seems that people alternatively say it's super dangerous or they have gotten the first good night's rest in years from it. Which is it?
Zolpidem Tartrate (Ambien)
Discuss...
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Works great.
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it doesnt do shit,i could take three of those and go to the gym.
of course i think my insomnia would be rather different from the average person.
bench
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If you just have a slight problem sleeping it will work fine. If you are a real insomniac it will make you sleep for 2 or 3 hours and wake right back up.
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If you just have a slight problem sleeping it will work fine. If you are a real insomniac it will make you sleep for 2 or 3 hours and wake right back up.
that shit just makes me hungry for some reason.
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Based on my research it seems that people alternatively say it's super dangerous or they have gotten the first good night's rest in years from it. Which is it?
Zolpidem Tartrate (Ambien)
Discuss...
I take a CR and I dont even remmember my head hitting the pillow :o
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Don't take it.
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Trazadone works great for me!
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I was on it for approximately 2 years straight. I did have the distinction of being one of the "nioght bingers" and had some absolutely BRUTAL amnesia eating, often over 10k calories at a rip.
Jason
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Just popped 4 of those.. ;D
I'm feeling very happy right now!
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Ambien makes my head feel funny. ???
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Heath ledger loved ambiens
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If you don't sleep it'll make you stumble and stuff.
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They help me sleep, in fact I just took one ten minu
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If you don't sleep it'll make you stumble and stuff.
thats what happen to me, i'd be stumbling around my house with family members looking on thinking im a crackhead
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They help me sleep, in fact I just took one ten minutes ago
Fixed, and Good Night
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great stuff, melatomin is also very good
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great stuff, melatomin is also very good
melatoNin sucks compared to just about ANY pharmaceutical. Also Ambien CR is better than the straight ambien.
Jason
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melatoNin sucks compared to just about ANY pharmaceutical. Also Ambien CR is better than the straight ambien.
Jason
doesnt that make u sleep the whole day
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doesnt that make u sleep the whole day
Ive found that if i really need it, I dont get the "hangover"the next day. If I dont really need it, the next day is sometimes a bust, sometimes not.
Jason
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Apparently Beef It Lee Priest is the new "Face" of Ambien!
Lee can attest that it makes you sleep like you're dead!
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I don't know if I can get my hands on it here. But I can get my hands on Valium (Diazepam).
It seems to be the safer if these are the two options. Plus it is effective as a muscle relaxant.
I don't know. But trying Ambien once is worth a shot. I am familiar with valium and can always go back to it if need be.
For those others who have insomnia here, how the fuck do you work out consistently and well with so little sleep? I mean I find it fucking hard!
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I don't know if I can get my hands on it here. But I can get my hands on Valium (Diazepam).
It seems to be the safer if these are the two options. Plus it is effective as a muscle relaxant.
I don't know. But trying Ambien once is worth a shot. I am familiar with valium and can always go back to it if need be.
For those others who have insomnia here, how the fuck do you work out consistently and well with so little sleep? I mean I find it fucking hard!
I cant seem to EVER sleep more tha 4-5 hours a night. MAYBE 1 night every 2 months if Im lucky.
Jason
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jason peg ambiencr is the best i took 1 12.6mgs ago 15 min ago, BUT 2 MELATONIN WORK GOOD.
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jason peg ambiencr is the best i took 1 12.6mgs ago 15 min ago, BUT 2 MELATONIN WORK GOOD.
I was giving you a hard timer. Melatonin are good if you have slight sleep disturbances, but IMHO, they are worthless WRT fullblown insomnia. I once took 30mg of melatonin and it still tool almost 3 hours to sleep.
Jason
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I was giving you a hard timer. Melatonin are good if you have slight sleep disturbances, but IMHO, they are worthless WRT fullblown insomnia. I once took 30mg of melatonin and it still tool almost 3 hours to sleep.
Jason
I agree. For people with an occasional sleepless night or two melatonin is good. However if you have chronic insomnia as you seem to have or I do, it is worthless.
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Melatonin and benadryl work for me in a pinch. I've noticed that my insomnia is worse in the winter, and almost non-existent when vacationing in a sunny place. I've been using a light therapy device for 2 weeks now, and I haven't fallen asleep this easy in years.
http://www.amazon.com/NatureBright-SunTouch-Plus-Light-Therapy/dp/B000W8Y7FY/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1202014979&sr=8-1
I use it for 30 minutes upon waking. Took 3 days for me to notice the difference.
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I was prescribed ambien when I was also on prednisone. It was the second time I was going on prednisone, and I was refusing to let them put me back on it because of the insomnia I got from it. So, they gave me ambien. It seemed to work fine for me countering the side effects of the prednisone.
Also had it on my second deployment, when the flight surgeons gave it to us to counteract the "go" pills they were also giving us...
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I was prescribed ambien when I was also on prednisone. It was the second time I was going on prednisone, and I was refusing to let them put me back on it because of the insomnia I got from it. So, they gave me ambien. It seemed to work fine for me countering the side effects of the prednisone.
Also had it on my second deployment, when the flight surgeons gave it to us to counteract the "go" pills they were also giving us...
You in the Army?
Jason
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damn jp you got serious insomnia! use the ambien cr. that might help 125mg.
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If you just have a slight problem sleeping it will work fine. If you are a real insomniac it will make you sleep for 2 or 3 hours and wake right back up.
yupp :(
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Lunesta is the best thing I've tried, but my insurance doenst cover it now!!!! :'(
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You in the Army?
Jason
Navy.... suspect the "go" pill (dextroamphetamine) is probably less damaging than coffee on the boat...
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I was on it for approximately 2 years straight. I did have the distinction of being one of the "nioght bingers" and had some absolutely BRUTAL amnesia eating, often over 10k calories at a rip.
Jason
Exactly, I would find myself sitting at the kitchen counter stuffing my face. On one occassion I woke one morning to find the kitchen in a shambles and had no memory what so ever of my late night binge.
I do remember having some insane dreams.
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WTF? It's like 4:55 here & I am up checking out the latest news on getbig. Yes, I do have a sleeping problem. When I find the ultimate solution, I will let you guyz know, k? ;)
My usual remedy is "3" 3mg melatonin (Twinlab is the best) & sometimes 1 or 2 Simply Sleep caps. If this doesn't work, try some "Sleepytime Extra" Tea.
Hey, great sex helps too!!!!
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I live on Tylenol PM. Knocks me out good.
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I live on Tylenol PM. Knocks me out good.
Makes you drowsy as hell, doesn't really induce REM sleep. Also you are drowsy the next day, forget about getting anything done the next day.
Stuck in Korea as I am I will be lucky if I can get Valium. Hopefully I can get Ambien as well.
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Makes you drowsy as hell, doesn't really induce REM sleep. Also you are drowsy the next day, forget about getting anything done the next day.
Stuck in Korea as I am I will be lucky if I can get Valium. Hopefully I can get Ambien as well.
not me cuz when I get up I take a bronkaid and caffeine. It is an everyday cycle.
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not me cuz when I get up I take a bronkaid and caffeine. It is an everyday cycle.
Fuck I am so fucking tired I am fucking crazy. It's all about Jebus!!!!!!!!!
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Works pretty good - however, only knocks me out for about five hours.
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I don't know if I can get my hands on it here. But I can get my hands on Valium (Diazepam).
It seems to be the safer if these are the two options. Plus it is effective as a muscle relaxant.
I don't know. But trying Ambien once is worth a shot. I am familiar with valium and can always go back to it if need be.
For those others who have insomnia here, how the fuck do you work out consistently and well with so little sleep? I mean I find it fucking hard!
THe Diazepam will work good for you.
Some like to Take it several times daily. Perhaps a bottle or two at once will help?
Your problem is your liberal fantasies are striking discord with the small common sense part of your brain.
Sign up for the Republican campain to help cure your malady.
Hope this helps.
Seriously, Watch out with the Valium dumb dumb.
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THe Diazepam will work good for you.
Some like to Take it several times daily. Perhaps a bottle or two at once will help?
Your problem is your liberal fantasies are striking discord with the small common sense part of your brain.
Sign up for the Republican campain to help cure your malady.
Hope this helps.
Seriously, Watch out with the Valium dumb dumb.
10-20 mg.s a few hours before bed should suffice.
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10-20 mg.s a few hours before bed should suffice.
I like Val, esp for recovery from brutal exhaustion or muscle spasm, but carefull gettin on a extended run.
The WD's are potentially life threatening.
Moderation is necessary. Powerfull drug.
coming off a long V run, the system will ramp to supercharged Al-Unholy-Hell.
Nuthing to downplay.
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I like Val, esp for recovery from brutal exhaustion or muscle spasm, but carefull gettin on a extended run.
The WD's are potentially life threatening.
Moderation is necessary. Powerfull drug.
coming off a long V run, the system will ramp to supercharged Al-Unholy-Hell.
Nuthing to downplay.
Pretty much par for the corse for all benzo's. :-\
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I like Val, esp for recovery from brutal exhaustion or muscle spasm, but carefull gettin on a extended run.
The WD's are potentially life threatening.
Moderation is necessary. Powerfull drug.
coming off a long V run, the system will ramp to supercharged Al-Unholy-Hell.
Nuthing to downplay.
I have heard that. I have been taking them for years and if I stop for a day or two I feel weird, don't know how to explain it really, but I hear voices and get bad anxiety. Doubt I will ever stop taking them though, I would probably drink myself to death if I didn't take benzos to unwind.
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I have heard that. I have been taking them for years and if I stop for a day or two I feel weird, don't know how to explain it really, but I hear voices and get bad anxiety. Doubt I will ever stop taking them though, I would probably drink myself to death if I didn't take benzos to unwind.
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yea they get you crunked up, take 1 with a good bit of water
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They help me sleep, in fact I just took one ten minu
ROFL!
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Anyone notice getting real emotional the next day after taking Ambien? It's a fairly common side effect.
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Anyone notice getting real emotional the next day after taking Ambien? It's a fairly common side effect.
No. Just a little bit of a cloud for a few hours after waking up.
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Why would people think they need harmful pills to fall asleep? They probably just don't know how to relax and calm their minds. Smoke a few bowls about an hour or 2 before bedtime.
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Why would people think they need harmful pills to fall asleep? They probably just don't know how to relax and calm their minds. Smoke a few bowls about an hour or 2 before bedtime.
Yeah.. I'd say stuff like ambien, valium are pretty harmful. They have their own withdrawl symptoms and can cause memory problems.
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Yeah.. I'd say stuff like ambien, valium are pretty harmful. They have their own withdrawl symptoms and can cause memory problems.
I would agree they're harmful but they shouldn't be used daily.
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I would agree they're harmful but they shouldn't be used daily.
Yes.
Benzos are often more abused than other drugs and enhance the effects of stuff like alcohol. Just because they're prescribed doesn't make them safe.
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Yes.
Benzos are often more abused than other drugs and enhance the effects of stuff like alcohol. Just because they're prescribed doesn't make them safe.
Agreed.
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I too have sleeping problems..I wake up several times throughout the night, lost of breath, sleeping on my arm (pins and needles feeling), stress
I get about 5 hours sleep per night
but I am afraid to start heading down the sleeping pills route
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but I am afraid to start heading down the sleeping pills route
As long as you can only used them occasionally you'll be fine. I only take Ambien about once a week sometimes once every other week.
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lunestra, rozeram and melatonin derivative.
ambien causes addiction, trazadone is the best for sure.
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Why would people think they need harmful pills to fall asleep? They probably just don't know how to relax and calm their minds. Smoke a few bowls about an hour or 2 before bedtime.
your a kid you have no stress, some people have psychiatric disorders and need medication.
when you go through a real rough patch see how long it takes you to look for sleeping aids.
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Melatonin's only good for minor sleep aid. The most effective version is liquid Melatonin, but it's less common and harder to find.
Ambien from my experience is milder, more subtle. Basically you have to try each brand of sleeping pill in order to find out what each does for you.
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As long as you can only used them occasionally you'll be fine. I only take Ambien about once a week sometimes once every other week.
I use 5mg valium somtimes now. Before I used to use them everyday.
I only use them when I really need to sleep. They are kinda good for clearing your mind up before you hit the hay.
I too have sleeping problems..I wake up several times throughout the night, lost of breath, sleeping on my arm (pins and needles feeling), stress
I get about 5 hours sleep per night
but I am afraid to start heading down the sleeping pills route
Using it like twice a week at 5 mg shouldn't be that bad.. But I guess it varies from person to person.
I suggest trying to sleep naturally. Pills mess with your head.
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I use 5mg valium somtimes now. Before I used to use them everyday.
I only use them when I really need to sleep. They are kinda good for clearing your mind up before you hit the hay.
Using it like twice a week at 5 mg shouldn't be that bad.. But I guess it varies from person to person.
I suggest trying to sleep naturally. Pills mess with your head.
Valium? Aren't those for anxiety,or depression?
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Valium? Aren't those for anxiety,or depression?
Anxiety. lol
I use them for sleeping.. I don't know why anyone would use them during the day because they can make you like a blank slate.
Most benzos are really the same shit with minor alterations.
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Anxiety. lol
I use them for sleeping.. I don't know why anyone would use them during the day because they can make you like a blank slate.
Most benzos are really the same shit with minor alterations.
I agree.. I know you can get them Illegally..But I know, you have to be diagnosed as having anxiety, or being depressed to get them perscribed..
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I agree.. I know you can get them Illegally..But I know, you have to be diagnosed as having anxiety, or being depressed to get them perscribed..
I have a generic version. You can buy them online without a script.
My aunt sent me mines.
I don't know what doc would prescribe them for depression. They'd probably make everything worse. :-X
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I have a generic version. You can buy them online without a script.
I don't know what doc would prescribe them for depression. They'd probably make everything worse. :-X
Take off the aunt sends you yours..People on here are grimey bro.
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I have found ambien to be noty as effective as Tylenol PM for me to sleep.
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I was on it for approximately 2 years straight. I did have the distinction of being one of the "nioght bingers" and had some absolutely BRUTAL amnesia eating, often over 10k calories at a rip.
Jason
i HAD THE SAME THING IF i TOOK 10MG, I CUT IT IN HALF AND I SLEEP GREAT WITH NO SLEEP WALKING.
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I don't know if I can get my hands on it here. But I can get my hands on Valium (Diazepam).
It seems to be the safer if these are the two options. Plus it is effective as a muscle relaxant.
I don't know. But trying Ambien once is worth a shot. I am familiar with valium and can always go back to it if need be.
For those others who have insomnia here, how the fuck do you work out consistently and well with so little sleep? I mean I find it fucking hard!
like i said via pm dude, you should give trazadone a shot, its an anti-depressant but at low doses is a great sleep aid tht improves quality of sleep unlike ambien that ruins sleep architecture.
remeron would be good too but its extremely strong and has potent anti histamine effects that will cause you to gain weight.
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you guys need to lay off the ephedrine and large doses of caffiene and train a little earlier in the day and your sleep will be better.
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you guys need to lay off the ephedrine and large doses of caffiene and train a little earlier in the day and your sleep will be better.
Solid advice.
Something else I can say works for me pretty much 100% of the time is when I get in bed, I focus on putting my body in the ultimate sleeping position, starting with my head/arms down to my feet. I'm out in a matter of minutes.
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Using it like twice a week at 5 mg shouldn't be that bad.. But I guess it varies from person to person.
Don't forget that Valium has metabolites with a half-life of like 200 hours. That's why habituation can develop even with a fairly infrequent administration. Ambien is also a "GABA-ergic" but the half-life is really short. Therefore you aren't messing with the GABA system round the clock.
I think you should mess with the GABA system as little as possible. IMO it's better to go with stuff like Trazadone, Propiomazin (I use this, not habit forming), Hydroxyzine, diphenhydramine or even Remeron before going the benzo route.
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you guys need to lay off the ephedrine and large doses of caffiene and train a little earlier in the day and your sleep will be better.
Squab..Didn't you admit to doing a cycle ? Why don't you diet and work out harder this way, you won't have to use drugs to make poor progress.. ?
But ..You are right about the Ephedrine and Caffiene
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Squab..Didn't you admit to doing a cycle ? Why don't you diet and work out harder this way, you won't have to use drugs to make poor progress.. ?
But ..You are right about the Ephedrine and Caffiene
i gaurantee i train harder than you, i love how just because you're "ripped" and small you automatically train harder than some bigger with more bodyfat. ::)
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i gaurantee i train harder than you, i love how just because you're "ripped" and small you automatically train harder than some bigger with more bodyfat. ::)
I never said that Squab.. I'm sure you train hard.. But I train hard also.. I lift weights..Then a few hrs.later I train at a boxing gym with my son.. I never thought I'd see my abs,but I can..I started working out with my son... just to spend time with him ..
I don't do drugs(steroids). I don't do it for contests ,or to be the biggest guy on the block.. I do it to stay healthy and fit!
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I never said that Squab.. I'm sure you train hard.. But I train hard also.. I lift weights..Then a few hrs.later I train at a boxing gym with my son.. I never thought I'd see my abs,but I can..I started working out with my son... just to spend time with him ..
I don't do drugs(steroids). I don't do it for contests ,or to be the biggest guy on the block.. I do it to stay healthy and fit!
good for you, maybe we have different goals, i'll start doing some cardio when i feel ready to do it.
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Based on my research it seems that people alternatively say it's super dangerous or they have gotten the first good night's rest in years from it. Which is it?
Zolpidem Tartrate (Ambien)
Discuss...
Best for a good live and good sleep.
(http://www.bewegendes.de/Taijiquan_Qi_Gong/Taiji-Text/Meditation/Zazen2.jpg)
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I never said that Squab.. I'm sure you train hard.. But I train hard also.. I lift weights..Then a few hrs.later I train at a boxing gym with my son.. I never thought I'd see my abs,but I can..I started working out with my son... just to spend time with him ..
I don't do drugs(steroids). I don't do it for contests ,or to be the biggest guy on the block.. I do it to stay healthy and fit!
PUSSY ;D
Jason
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good for you, maybe we have different goals, i'll start doing some cardio when i feel ready to do it.
Good for you ..Remember ..We do this to be healthy and fit..Alot of people see these juice monsters ..and believe that's what they want to look like .. We're on these boards long enough to read what happends to these guys..Not that it doesn't happen to regular folks ..But their shit is out there for the world to see ..And I don't want any part of it . My son would be crushed and disappointed at me ,If I ever cheated... and he found out .
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PUSSY ;D
Jason
Okay Pigg.. You're probalby some fat fvck ...that needs an Oxygen tank to make it from the Bench press machine to the incline machine..
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Okay Pigg.. You're probalby some fat fvck ...that needs an Oxygen tank to make it from the Bench press machine to the incline machine..
Jason has squatted 800 pounds and deadlifted 650 in official competition and sustained a brutal arm injury fighting in Afghanistan.
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Jason has squatted 800 pounds and deadlifted 650 in official competition and sustained a brutal arm injury fighting in Afghanistan.
If he doesn't respect me ? I will not respect him.. I don't give a fvck what that fat fvck lifts!
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Okay Pigg.. You're probalby some fat fvck ...that needs an Oxygen tank to make it from the Bench press machine to the incline machine..
You are right...I am a fat shit...sorry you didnt catch the humor in the post.
Jason
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I also noticed trying to read Vince Basile's or HowieW's posts puts me out quick.
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I also noticed trying to read Vince Basile's or HowieW's posts puts me out quick.
;D
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;D
All I see is a big blob of navy blue as my eyes start to droop and my mind goes blank.
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All I see is a big blob of navy blue as my eyes start to droop and my mind goes blank.
Chaps! My speedos! Fat sheilas!
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Chaps! My speedos! Fat sheilas!
That's why I try and scroll up if I'm reading anything of Basile's before 9 pm.
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Don't forget that Valium has metabolites with a half-life of like 200 hours. That's why habituation can develop even with a fairly infrequent administration. Ambien is also a "GABA-ergic" but the half-life is really short. Therefore you aren't messing with the GABA system round the clock.
I think you should mess with the GABA system as little as possible. IMO it's better to go with stuff like Trazadone, Propiomazin (I use this, not habit forming), Hydroxyzine, diphenhydramine or even Remeron before going the benzo route.
you might be thinking of clonazepam but valium certainly doesnt have effects that long, nor does it cause binding for that long. using them twice a week is perfectly fine, i would only be worried about clonazepam or xanax xr, not diazepam.
benzos are gaba a receptors agonists, ambien is a non benzodiazipine gaba b receptor agonist. gabatril might be worth looking in too. all benzos make sleep quality shit. your other advice is solid, but diphenhydramine fucks rem sleep to hell, so only as needed.
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Try a tumbler of jack daniels and 1mg of alprazolam. you'll sleep like a baby. ;D
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you might be thinking of clonazepam but valium certainly doesnt have effects that long, nor does it cause binding for that long. using them twice a week is perfectly fine, i would only be worried about clonazepam or xanax xr, not diazepam.
benzos are gaba a receptors agonists, ambien is a non benzodiazipine gaba b receptor agonist. gabatril might be worth looking in too. all benzos make sleep quality shit. your other advice is solid, but diphenhydramine fucks rem sleep to hell, so only as needed.
No, I'm talking about Diazepam. From Wiki:
Diazepam is metabolised via oxidative pathways in the liver via the cytochrome P450 enzyme system. It has a biphasic half-life of 1-2 and 2-5 days, and has several pharmacologically active metabolites. The main active metabolite of diazepam is desmethyldiazepam (also known as nordazepam or nordiazepam). Diazepam's other active metabolites include temazepam and oxazepam. These metabolites are conjugated with glucuronide, and are excreted primarily in the urine. Because of these active metabolites, the serum values of diazepam alone are not useful in predicting the effects of the drug.[27][11][29]
Diazepam has a half-life (t1/2α) of 20-50 hours, and desmethyldiazepam has a half-life of 30-200 hours and is considered to be a long acting benzodiazepine.[11]
If you have info to the contrary I'm all ears.
Diazepam itself has a half-life of up to 50 hours. That's long, and even if not taken every day you are never cleaning out completely and giving the GABA receptors a rest.
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No, I'm talking about Diazepam. From Wiki:
If you have info to the contrary I'm all ears.
Diazepam itself has a half-life of up to 50 hours. That's long, and even if not taken every day you are never cleaning out completely and giving the GABA receptors a rest.
sorry i was thinking lorazepam(ativan). your right, diazepam is a longer acting hypnotic, anxiolytic agent like klonopin.
thanks for the correction mutterfuck.
ps you dont know what your talking about :D
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i think were just overtraining, all the ephedrine, caffeine etc wrecks havoc on our central nervous systems
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You are right...I am a fat shit...sorry you didnt catch the humor in the post.
Jason
I apologize.. I did see the humor.... after I replied, and Squab Quoted.. Sorry.
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I apologize.. I did see the humor.... after I replied, and Squab Quoted.. Sorry.
Its okay...its the G&O ;D
Jason