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half the eligible voters don't even bother to vote
most of the ones who do vote pick the person they'd like to have a beer with (or a cup of coffee or maybe go to church with).
A few month ago I asked my hard core Republican neighbor (who watches Fox new religiously) what he thought about Ron Paul and he had no idea what I was talking about. At that point I realized that there's no way this guy is taking a fair look at anyone. He's listening to Fox and Friends and Rush and thinking he's well informed
I asked my hardcore Republican Dad what he thought about the speulation that Bloomberg might jump into the race and he also had no idea what I was talking about. Again - I was a bit suprised.
I planned on voting Democrat but I still watched as many Republican Debates (boring except for Ron Paul) as I did Democratic Debates
I think most of the country walks around half asleep most of the time...only noticing stuff that reinforces their beliefs about life and just ignoring everything else
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I don't agree with everything Ron PAul says BUT there are times that he really hits the nail on the head.
He's offering the people a chance to be completly independant and they laugh in his face.
His credentials go on and on...and people don't even know who he is.
Goes to show you how fucked up things are
I dont get it.
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the only reason why the media portrays RP as a "longshot maverick candidate" is because he isn't one.
If he were mainstream they would have no control over him.
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They portray him as a longshot candidate because he is, as the results in primary show.
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the media didn't even acknowledge Ron Pauls existence until he started getting popular support and then their coverage was always slanted toward ridicule. The same goes for Dennis Kucinich.
The media should simply report and stop trying to form the public opinion
Fox Noise was going to exclude him from their debate because they (a media company) deemed that he wasn't a legitimate candidate.
while at the same time deciding that Rudy and Mit were legitimate candidates.
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They portray him as a longshot candidate because he is, as the results in primary show.
So what?
They don't need to portray anything except letting the candidates answer questions, and give their position.
Do you not understand how insane that is? Letting the polls dictate who's message is going to be heard ??!!
Ron was purposely ignored long before the elections. If not for the internet where uncensored and free exchange of ideas takes place, Not one fucking person would know about his message. How are we supposed to find out??
So popularity should govern over principle? If slavery was popular again would that make it ok?
No? Then it should not govern who is censored/ignored when running for elected office.
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So what?
They don't need to portray anything except letting the candidates answer questions, and give their position.
Do you not understand how insane that is? Letting the polls dictate who's message is going to be heard ??!!
Ron was purposely ignored long before the elections. If not for the internet where uncensored and free exchange of ideas takes place, Not one fucking person would know about his message. How are we supposed to find out??
So popularity should govern over principle? If slavery was popular again would that make it ok?
No? Then it should not govern who is censored/ignored when running for elected office.
I don't see any attempt to censor Ron Paul by the media. He was never a legitimate candidate. Despite never polling well, he was allowed to participate in almost every presidential debate. He was on a national stage along with everyone else. The media reported his temporary fund-raising success. So contrary to some alleged attempt to suppress him, I think he has been given more airtime than he was really entitled to receive. He simply hasn't motivated enough people to get to the polls. He is a good man and has good ideas, but he cannot sell himself well enough to become a legitimate candidate.
The 911 followers don’t help either.
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I don't see any attempt to censor Ron Paul by the media. He was never a legitimate candidate. Despite never polling well, he was allowed to participate in almost every presidential debate. He was on a national stage along with everyone else. The media reported his temporary fund-raising success. So contrary to some alleged attempt to suppress him, I think he has been given more airtime than he was really entitled to receive. He simply hasn't motivated enough people to get to the polls. He is a good man and has good ideas, but he cannot sell himself well enough to become a legitimate candidate.
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holy shit.
there is no hope for some people
I'm assuming you are serious and that is an unfortunate fact.
just wow, thats all I have to say right now.
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holy shit.
there is no hope for some people
lol
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holy shit.
there is no hope for some people
I'm assuming you are serious and that is an unfortunate fact.
just wow, thats all I have to say right now.
Instead of saying "wow," why don't you point to a different set of facts? Feel free to refute anything I said (although part of it was my opinion--specifically about the 911 nuts). Regarding the facts though (polling, debates, actual primary/caucus results), I'm all ears.
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Instead of saying "wow," why don't you point to a different set of facts? Feel free to refute anything I said (although part of it was my opinion--specially about the 911 nuts). Regarding the facts though (polling, debates, actual primary/caucus results), I'm all ears.
9/11 Nuts...
More money was spent on the Monica Lewinsky investigation then the biggest attack on civilians in our history. These "9/11 nuts", widows, and other family members had to fight for an investigation that turned out to be a giant conflict of interest. It's sickening to hear you call them nuts.
MB you're absolutely right, it is a shame.
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9/11 Nuts...
More money was spent on the Monica Lewinsky investigation then the biggest attack on civilians in our history.
MB you're absolutely right, it is a shame.
The Monica Lewinsky investigation was a complete waste of our tax dollars. Not sure what that has to do with 911 nuts supporting Ron Paul. Incidentally, he asked them not to do (or at least asked them to stop talking about it). Quite embarrassing for him.
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I don't see any attempt to censor Ron Paul by the media. He was never a legitimate candidate. Despite never polling well, he was allowed to participate in almost every presidential debate. He was on a national stage along with everyone else. The media reported his temporary fund-raising success. So contrary to some alleged attempt to suppress him, I think he has been given more airtime than he was really entitled to receive. He simply hasn't motivated enough people to get to the polls. He is a good man and has good ideas, but he cannot sell himself well enough to become a legitimate candidate.
The 911 followers don’t help either.
What difference does it make if you are invited to the debates, but not permitted anything close to equal time and equal questions?
People like you put the cart before the horse. Apparently he is supposed to become popular when he is ignored in the debates.
Why is it that he is so popular on the internet? The place where MORE free thinkers tend to gravitate...
Ron, talks about specifics and he talks about problems that are not easy to fix, the monetary system is one that NOBODY talks about.
He does not talk to the American public like they are Children. Is that your idea of "selling?"
When is the last time anyone on TV has talked about the inflation tax, or challenge the existence of the Federal Reserve?
No wonder we have the government we do when people like you discourage intelligent discussion from intelligent and honest candidates, because they are "not popular"
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What difference does it make if you are invited to the debates, but not permitted anything close to equal time and equal questions?
People like you put the cart before the horse. Apparently he is supposed to become popular when he is ignored in the debates.
Why is it that he is so popular on the internet? The place where MORE free thinkers tend to gravitate...
Ron, talks about specifics and he talks about problems that are not easy to fix, the monetary system is one that NOBODY talks about.
He does not talk to the American public like they are Children. Is that your idea of "selling?"
When is the last time anyone on TV has talked about the inflation tax, or challenge the existence of the Federal Reserve?
No wonder we have the government we do when people like you discourage intelligent discussion from intelligent and honest candidates, because they are "not popular"
Uh . . . no. I'm not talking about discouraging discussion. I'm just stating the facts. A person running for public office has to sell both their ideas and themselves. Ron Paul has some good ideas but is a poor salesmen. You can argue with that all you want, but I'll just refer you to the voting results.
Why do you think we're even talking about Obama? He gave a great convention speech, which catapulted him into the race. That's it. Not much substance, but he sure sounds good. Ron Paul doesn't have that kind of charisma. He doesn't have a good speaking voice, doesn't have good stage presence, and sounds like he is either whining or grumpy most of the time. Hard to sell that kind of package on a national stage.
Same goes for Huckabee. Very engaging. Presents himself much better than Ron Paul. Paul is probably more conservative than Huckabee, but it's all in the delivery. I think that's mainly why Huckabee left Paul in the dust: presentation.
And no I'm not putting the cart before the horse regarding the debates. He was lucky to get invited period, so the fact he was asked any questions at all is a bonus for him. The fact he was on the stage in front of millions of people was a huge service to him.
The internet success doesn't mean a whole when it comes to the election. It is impossible to say how many of his internet supporters are likely voters and having that 911 following couldn't help.
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Instead of saying "wow," why don't you point to a different set of facts? Feel free to refute anything I said (although part of it was my opinion--specifically about the 911 nuts). Regarding the facts though (polling, debates, actual primary/caucus results), I'm all ears.
Hah - looks who's talking. You're the king of dodging the issue and whipping out the eye roll
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Here's just one example of that standard bearer of the liberal media CNN mocking a student who chooses Ron Paul as her candidate and suggesting that Ron Paul is not a serious candidate. Can you imagine the commentors treating her the same way if she chose one of those two admitted losers - Mit or Rudy
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I don't see any attempt to censor Ron Paul by the media. He was never a legitimate candidate. Despite never polling well, he was allowed to participate in almost every presidential debate. He was on a national stage along with everyone else. The media reported his temporary fund-raising success. So contrary to some alleged attempt to suppress him, I think he has been given more airtime than he was really entitled to receive. He simply hasn't motivated enough people to get to the polls. He is a good man and has good ideas, but he cannot sell himself well enough to become a legitimate candidate.
The 911 followers don’t help either.
Fuck your retarded and your mind is completly closed.
Amazing, how blind you are.
It's suppose to be the medias job to report the FACTS, the fact is Ron Paul is still in the race and NO ONE in mainstream media even mentions his name!!
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What difference does it make if you are invited to the debates, but not permitted anything close to equal time and equal questions?
People like you put the cart before the horse. Apparently he is supposed to become popular when he is ignored in the debates.
Why is it that he is so popular on the internet? The place where MORE free thinkers tend to gravitate...
Ron, talks about specifics and he talks about problems that are not easy to fix, the monetary system is one that NOBODY talks about.
He does not talk to the American public like they are Children. Is that your idea of "selling?"
When is the last time anyone on TV has talked about the inflation tax, or challenge the existence of the Federal Reserve?
No wonder we have the government we do when people like you discourage intelligent discussion from intelligent and honest candidates, because they are "not popular"
Great post man!
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I don't see any attempt to censor Ron Paul by the media.
One obvious example to belittle him:
When they held polls on who won the debates - If Mitt won, they called it a clean win. If Paul won, they called it "online hacking and stacking".
And if you need an example of 'censoring' him -
How about the time he wasn't invited to the debate, yet they invited Thompson, who was polling worse than RP and did worse in the early primaries?
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Fuck your retarded and your mind is completly closed.
Amazing, how blind you are.
It's suppose to be the medias job to report the FACTS, the fact is Ron Paul is still in the race and NO ONE in mainstream media even mentions his name!!
You Ron Paul supporters crack me up. So what are the facts?
1. He has polled about 5 to 10 percent since the start of the campaign.
2. He finished last or next to last in nearly every primary/caucus on Super Tuesday.
3. He hasn't won a single state.
Now don't tell me, the preceding facts are only facts because of some media conspiracy, right?
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One obvious example to belittle him:
When they held polls on who won the debates - If Mitt won, they called it a clean win. If Paul won, they called it "online hacking and stacking".
And if you need an example of 'censoring' him -
How about the time he wasn't invited to the debate, yet they invited Thompson, who was polling worse than RP and did worse in the early primaries?
Those call-in polls, etc. are worthless. I watched a debate in which he was awful, yet he "won" some call-in poll.
Okay, so he wasn't invited to one debate. Big deal. He didn't poll well in New Hampshire and finished 5th in the primary. I do agree that if they invited Thompson they should have invited Paul, but not being invited to one debate isn't the reason he finished 5th in New Hampshire.
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The Monica Lewinsky investigation was a complete waste of our tax dollars. Not sure what that has to do with 911 nuts supporting Ron Paul. Incidentally, he asked them not to do (or at least asked them to stop talking about it). Quite embarrassing for him.
Ok, so I haven't been watching the Republican debates, and so I don't know what the story is there....but that video made me feel a little sorry for him. "Can I please participate in the debate?"
I would have felt more sorry if he hadn't said, "I've abandoned those viewpoints." WTF? was he a 9/11 Truther at one point?
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Ok, so I haven't been watching the Republican debates, and so I don't know what the story is there....but that video made me feel a little sorry for him. "Can I please participate in the debate?"
I would have felt more sorry if he hadn't said, "I've abandoned those viewpoints." WTF? was he a 9/11 Truther at one point?
Couldn't have been. He would have never gotten his campaign off the ground if he believed in that nonsense. It sounds like a lot of his supporters are CT nuts. Sucks for him.
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Couldn't have been. He would have never gotten his campaign off the ground if he believed in that nonsense. It sounds like a lot of his supporters are CT nuts. Sucks for him.
He does say "I've abandoned those viewpoints" (Just listened again), but on another video absolutely denies having believed that the govt was involved in orchestrating 9/11.
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You Ron Paul supporters crack me up. So what are the facts?
1. He has polled about 5 to 10 percent since the start of the campaign.
2. He finished last or next to last in nearly every primary/caucus on Super Tuesday.
3. He hasn't won a single state.
Now don't tell me, the preceding facts are only facts because of some media conspiracy, right?
It doesn't matter man!
The FACT is he is STILL in the race for the president of the United States!
It doesn't matter if you like it or not, he is part of this election and therefore it needs to be reported.
The election isnt over yet, many things can happen, another canidate may drop out cause they have no money, (Huckabee). Did anyone guess Romeny would drop out? Most people when I mention Ron's name, didn't even know he was still running. How can anyone have a chance at winning when they're not even being reported on being in the race?
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Ok, so I haven't been watching the Republican debates, and so I don't know what the story is there....but that video made me feel a little sorry for him. "Can I please participate in the debate?"
I would have felt more sorry if he hadn't said, "I've abandoned those viewpoints." WTF? was he a 9/11 Truther at one point?
No.