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Too Evil for Words
From London’s Times:
The acting director of a Baghdad psychiatric hospital has been arrested on suspicion of supplying al-Qaeda in Iraq with the mentally impaired womenthat it used to blow up two crowded animal markets in the city on February 1, killing about 100 people.
Iraqi security forces and US soldiers arrested the man at al-Rashad hospital in east Baghdad on Sunday. They then spent three hours searching his office and removing records. Sources told The Times that the two women bombers had been treated at the hospital in the past.
“They [the security forces] arrested the acting director, accusing him of working with al-Qaeda and recruiting mentally ill women and using them in suicide bombing operations,” a hospital official said.
Read that again: The head of a mental hospital (allegedly) provided women under his care to al Qaeda to use as human bombs, for the purpose of murdering as many innocent people as possible. And there are some who want to stay the course of diplomacy? ???
Can we not take these folks' word for it when they say that they "love death more than we love life?" :-\
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Wow. Maybe we should pre-emptively kill everyone in Iraq so that this kind of problem will not happen.
Well, maybe only kill all the Sunnis.
The tens of millions of dollars that the US was bribing the Sunni insurgents with to not attack US troops and Iraqi sympathizers must not be working anymore.
Since the insurgency is largely composed of Sunnis, which our country now calls, 'Al Qaeda', it would make sense to kill all of them....the Sunnis I mean. That's only about 30% of the total Iraqi population.
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Wow. Maybe we should pre-emptively kill everyone in Iraq so that this kind of problem will not happen.
Well, maybe only kill all the Sunnis.
The tens of millions of dollars that the US was bribing the Sunni insurgents with to not attack US troops and Iraqi sympathizers must not be working anymore.
Since the insurgency is largely composed of Sunnis, which our country now calls, 'Al Qaeda', it would make sense to kill all of them....the Sunnis I mean. That's only about 30% of the total Iraqi population.
Now your thinkin like a true "GREAT AMERICAN" my freind. ;D
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Now your thinkin like a true "GREAT AMERICAN" my freind. ;D
I'm trying to fit in and accept the fact that we do these things in Iraq for the US's longterm benefit.
I can't think of what those longterm benefits are, but I know we have to kill to get there.
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I'm trying to fit in and accept the fact that we do these things in Iraq for the US's longterm benefit.
I can't think of what those longterm benefits are, but I know we have to kill to get there.
LOL.. Sean Hannity will be proud. ;D
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Wow. Maybe we should pre-emptively kill everyone in Iraq so that this kind of problem will not happen.
Well, maybe only kill all the Sunnis.
The tens of millions of dollars that the US was bribing the Sunni insurgents with to not attack US troops and Iraqi sympathizers must not be working anymore.
Since the insurgency is largely composed of Sunnis, which our country now calls, 'Al Qaeda', it would make sense to kill all of them....the Sunnis I mean. That's only about 30% of the total Iraqi population.
::) So, you're saying that the US is as barbaric, if not more so, than the folks that are using children and the mentally-disabled as bombs? ??? Wow!!!! That's pretty incredulous of you, Deck. :o
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Too Evil for Words
From London’s Times:
The acting director of a Baghdad psychiatric hospital has been arrested on suspicion of supplying al-Qaeda in Iraq with the mentally impaired womenthat it used to blow up two crowded animal markets in the city on February 1, killing about 100 people.
Iraqi security forces and US soldiers arrested the man at al-Rashad hospital in east Baghdad on Sunday. They then spent three hours searching his office and removing records. Sources told The Times that the two women bombers had been treated at the hospital in the past.
“They [the security forces] arrested the acting director, accusing him of working with al-Qaeda and recruiting mentally ill women and using them in suicide bombing operations,” a hospital official said.
Read that again: The head of a mental hospital (allegedly) provided women under his care to al Qaeda to use as human bombs, for the purpose of murdering as many innocent people as possible. And there are some who want to stay the course of diplomacy? ???
Can we not take these folks' word for it when they say that they "love death more than we love life?" :-\
>:( The title is right: too evil for words.
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::) So, you're saying that the US is as barbaric, if not more so, than the folks that are using children and the mentally-disabled as bombs? ??? Wow!!!! That's pretty incredulous of you, Deck. :o
No, I'm saying that to nip this suicide bombing problem in the bud, we have to kill all the Sunnis in Iraq.
The problem is there for you in black and white.
I mean it's not like killing people over suspected WMDs.
These suicide bombings are really happening. The best way to eliminate the problem is to eliminate the source, no?
By killing all the sunnis (28,000,000 x 32% = 8,960,000) around 9 million Sunnis we could cut off the insurgency and its suicide bombings at the source.
Of course the Sunnis might learn their lesson after killing only 4 or 5 or 6 million of them, but that's a chance we should take.
Why pollute the issue with crazy notions of tracking down the bombers or groups responsible for the bombings? This way, if we kill at least 4 million Sunnis we'll be safer while we are in Iraq.
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No, I'm saying that to nip this suicide bombing problem in the bud, we have to kill all the Sunnis in Iraq.
The problem is there for you in black and white.
I mean it's not like killing people over suspected WMDs.
These suicide bombings are really happening. The best way to eliminate the problem is to eliminate the source, no?
By killing all the sunnis (28,000,000 x 32% = 8,960,000) around 9 million Sunnis we could cut off the insurgency and its suicide bombings at the source.
Of course the Sunnis might learn their lesson after killing only 4 or 5 or 6 million of them, but that's a chance we should take.
Why pollute the issue with crazy notions of tracking down the bombers or groups responsible for the bombings? This way, if we kill at least 4 million Sunnis we'll be safer while we are in Iraq.
I would submit to you the Sunnis are as much a threat to themselves as black on black crime is here in the states? Agreed? They are killing themselves. That's why we're seeing the "surge" work. It's not that we have more troops on the ground, but that the good people of Iraq are tired of the BS and watching their own family members blown up over a fanatical cause. I thought 'insurgency' denoted that a good portion of those that we battle are not native Iraqis (Sunni or not). No?
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I would submit to you the Sunnis are as much a threat to themselves as black on black crime is here in the states? Agreed? They are killing themselves. That's why we're seeing the "surge" work. It's not that we have more troops on the ground, but that the good people of Iraq are tired of the BS and watching their own family members blown up over a fanatical cause. I thought 'insurgency' denoted that a good portion of those that we battle are not native Iraqis (Sunni or not). No?
There are enclaves of Sunnis that engage in sunni on sunni violence but that's not my problem...our problem. The Sunnis as a group make up the Insurgency. Less than 15% of that insurgency is comprised of foreign fighters.
Once the foreign fighters see the US forces gunning down the Sunnis, they'll get the picture and leave Iraq. I mean their hearts aren't in the Iraqi soil the way the Sunni's are....literally if we do this right.
The multi-million dollar bribes (US tax dollars) to the Sunni factions to stop attacking US forces and Iraqi-US sympathizers is not working. We must strike.
Now I'm sure that the local Iraqis are tired of the killing over the fanatical cause of defending the Iraqi homeland from the invading US forces. But that's just crazy talk. We are there to help them.
The Rule of Engagement must be changed for our military people for success in Iraq. Once we take the handcuffs off our soldiers, we'll see some real progress in Iraq. The Surge's temporary dampening of violence levels to those of 2005 levels will look like small-time once we start cleansing the area of Sunni insurgents AKA Al Qaeda.
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Wow, Decker. That would get some shit done in a hurry.... ;D
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Wow, Decker. That would get some shit done in a hurry.... ;D
I believe that deckers writings are satirical if im not mistaken?
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Now your thinkin like a true "GREAT AMERICAN" my freind. ;D
lol
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My position is perfectly consistent with the defenders of the US invasion. I think I covered the main points:
Kill the enemy, free up the soldiers to kill the enemy i.e., loosen the Rules of Engagement, help the Iraqis, and defeat Al Qaeda.
We will not cut and run into defeat!
The cold fact is that the US is on the ground in Iraq and we are being attacked and that won't change.
If we are going to be there, we might as well do the job right!
I mean we could set up temporary camps to facilitate the killing of the Sunnis instead of going door to door. Remember, there are 9 million of these Sunnis to contend with.
I think that after killing 5 or 6 million, they'll have learned their lesson and they'll stop attacking US soliders...who are their to protect the Iraqi people.
But you never know with Al Qaeda, maybe eliminating the entire 9 million Sunnis is the only way to go.
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Oh Geez, Headhunter will think he's died and gone to heaven when he reads this. ;D
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Now your thinkin like a true "GREAT AMERICAN" my freind. ;D
You know something? The sad thing is that that disregard for ANY human life (except American of course) is creating problems for the other (traveling) Americans, like me, who want no harm done onto others.
WE'RE SO FUCKED!
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My position is perfectly consistent with the defenders of the US invasion. I think I covered the main points:
Kill the enemy, free up the soldiers to kill the enemy i.e., loosen the Rules of Engagement, help the Iraqis, and defeat Al Qaeda.
We will not cut and run into defeat!
The cold fact is that the US is on the ground in Iraq and we are being attacked and that won't change.
If we are going to be there, we might as well do the job right!
I mean we could set up temporary camps to facilitate the killing of the Sunnis instead of going door to door. Remember, there are 9 million of these Sunnis to contend with.
I think that after killing 5 or 6 million, they'll have learned their lesson and they'll stop attacking US soliders...who are their to protect the Iraqi people.
But you never know with Al Qaeda, maybe eliminating the entire 9 million Sunnis is the only way to go.
Were the Sunnis given the chance and capability to do onto us what we're doing onto them... Would you say that's a righteous thing to do?
'cause let me tell you something, had I a son or a daughter on the ground in Iraq I'd be pretty pissed at you. I'd also be pretty pissed at the fact that my son or daughter are over there defending your sorry ass... but then again, US soldiers are not defending Americans in Iraq.
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Were the Sunnis given the chance and capability to do onto us what we're doing onto them... Would you say that's a righteous thing to do?
'cause let me tell you something, had I a son or a daughter on the ground in Iraq I'd be pretty pissed at you. I'd also be pretty pissed at the fact that my son or daughter are over there defending your sorry ass... but then again, US soldiers are not defending Americans in Iraq.
What's the problem here? If attacking/destroying/brutalizing Iraq on the basis of a 'mistake' of fact is okay for the US and Coalition of the Willing--hey, everybody thought they had WMDs--then the ongoing attack of that country should not be a problem. I mean we are there already.
Do you want to cut and run and surrender to the insurgents/Al Qaeda?
So what if the vast majority of Insurgents are not Al Qaeda but Iraqi citizens attacking the US as an invading force? The fact is, we are there, some Al Qaeda is there, and we must defend ourselves and protect the Iraqi people by killing the Iraqis that are attacking us.
We have to finish the job. The best way to finish the job is to eliminate the threat posed by the Sunnis/Insurgents/Al Qaeda.
We kill the enemy. We don't negotiate with the enemy.
What side are you on anyways?
Are you French by chance?
My act is over. I am sorry if I offended you.
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When did I advocate concentration camps...I know Decker is being "funny". Ultimately I'd like to find an alternative to fossil fuel and then let these worthless pricks go back to eating dirt.
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When did I advocate concentration camps...I know Decker is being "funny". Ultimately I'd like to find an alternative to fossil fuel and then let these worthless pricks go back to eating dirt.
"...I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?"
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"...I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?"
it's the way you tell a story it's the way you talk.....i donno. :)
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it's the way you tell a story it's the way you talk.....i donno. :)
That line is from Goodfellas. I just thought it was appropriate. Just like the entire thread is appropriate to show the nonsensical justification for the US's unjust occupation of Iraq.
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That line is from Goodfellas. I just thought it was appropriate. Just like the entire thread is appropriate to show the nonsensical justification for the US's unjust occupation of Iraq.
I recognized it, but i don't know if that was exactly what "henry hill" said back. It was something like that.
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I recognized it, but i don't know if that was exactly what "henry hill" said back. It was something like that.
That does not compute....
It was the Joe Pesci character that said that stuff to scare Henry.
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When did I advocate concentration camps...I know Decker is being "funny". Ultimately I'd like to find an alternative to fossil fuel and then let these worthless pricks go back to eating dirt.
If you ever run for President, please PM me. I'd like to work for your campaign. I can knock on doors, pass out leaflets, etc. Of course, with a platform of "alternative energy", you do know that the media would label you a bleeding heart lib, right?
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That does not compute....
It was the Joe Pesci character that said that stuff to scare Henry.
What I said: "it's the way you talk...." is what Henry Hill, (Ray Liotta) said back to Joe Pesci when he said that to him.
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What's the problem here? If attacking/destroying/brutalizing Iraq on the basis of a 'mistake' of fact is okay for the US and Coalition of the Willing--hey, everybody thought they had WMDs--then the ongoing attack of that country should not be a problem. I mean we are there already.
Please, please tell me you're fucking kidding me!!
That argument holds as much water as me raping your sister in a dark alley and then alleging I didn't know it was your sister because it was dark and I couldn't see her face. But hey, since I already had my dick in her pussy... might as well "finish" the job right?
Do you want to cut and run and surrender to the insurgents/Al Qaeda?
Not true! Not true! And... you know what? Just because you keep repeating the same shit does not make it a truth (although in your head it might). AT THIS POINT in time, it is a well known fact that the "foreign insurgency" (the "foreign" also applies to us, by the way) is made up of former Baath party members who want their land back. It is also a well-known fact that they make up 85-90% of the "insurgency" movement, with the remaining 10-15% of the terrorist factions being made up of pissed off Arabs. Al Qaeda's presence is minimal, although we have to keep the story up so that we keep a lifeline for the reason to go to war.
So what if the vast majority of Insurgents are not Al Qaeda but Iraqi citizens attacking the US as an invading force? The fact is, we are there, some Al Qaeda is there, and we must defend ourselves and protect the Iraqi people by killing the Iraqis that are attacking us.
Ok, if 80-85% of Iraqis want you out, why in fucking hell would you want to defend them?! Why?!
We have to finish the job. The best way to finish the job is to eliminate the threat posed by the Sunnis/Insurgents/Al Qaeda.
I believe you're referring to concentration camps and the like... I mean, what is "finish the job"? My understanding is that The Job of All Jobs was to dethrone Saddam. We hung him by the neck. Then The Job became to find WMD. We could't find a trace of radioactive/chemical/biological shit. Second argument out the window. Seems to me we have no intention to get out and we're trying to find every reason in the (Mein Kamp) book to not have to get up and go.
We kill the enemy. We don't negotiate with the enemy.
And who exactly is the "enemy" in this case?
What side are you on anyways?
I'm on the side of reason and common sense. You, and the likes of you, are the people, the "menacing individuals", Adams, Hamilton, et al, had warned us about.
Are you French by chance?
No, but I wish I could be.
My act is over. I am sorry if I offended you.
Niggga please!
PD: say hello to your sister for me.
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Niggga please!
PD: say hello to your sister for me.
Sometimes it pays dividends to walk a mile in the shoes of your enemies.
The utter nonsense of the pro-war faction (i.e., almost our entire government and 30% of the population) has to be seen to be believed. Their arguments are the stuff that 3 year olds might use to get away with a lie.
I don't think my opponents on Iraq really think about their position and what killing really means.
Someone that can blithely state that "I'm ok with the Iraq killings if we somehow prosper in the US" is a danger to himself and others.
I also note how the enemy constantly shifted from Saddam supporters to insurgents to Al Qaeda which is really anyone in the vicinity of violence near US troops.
We have to win! We have to beat the enemy! We can't give up! No Cut and Run!
Empty slogans for a "war" vacant of moral justification.
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Sometimes it pays dividends to walk a mile in the shoes of your enemies.
The utter nonsense of the pro-war faction (i.e., almost our entire government and 30% of the population) has to be seen to be believed. Their arguments are the stuff that 3 year olds might use to get away with a lie.
I don't think my opponents on Iraq really think about their position and what killing really means.
Someone that can blithely state that "I'm ok with the Iraq killings if we somehow prosper in the US" is a danger to himself and others.
I also note how the enemy constantly shifted from Saddam supporters to insurgents to Al Qaeda which is really anyone in the vicinity of violence near US troops.
We have to win! We have to beat the enemy! We can't give up! No Cut and Run!
Empty slogans for a "war" vacant of moral justification.
Amen brother!
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Please, please tell me you're fucking kidding me!!
That argument holds as much water as me raping your sister in a dark alley and then alleging I didn't know it was your sister because it was dark and I couldn't see her face. But hey, since I already had my dick in her pussy... might as well "finish" the job right?
Not true! Not true! And... you know what? Just because you keep repeating the same shit does not make it a truth (although in your head it might). AT THIS POINT in time, it is a well known fact that the "foreign insurgency" (the "foreign" also applies to us, by the way) is made up of former Baath party members who want their land back. It is also a well-known fact that they make up 85-90% of the "insurgency" movement, with the remaining 10-15% of the terrorist factions being made up of pissed off Arabs. Al Qaeda's presence is minimal, although we have to keep the story up so that we keep a lifeline for the reason to go to war.
Ok, if 80-85% of Iraqis want you out, why in fucking hell would you want to defend them?! Why?!
I believe you're referring to concentration camps and the like... I mean, what is "finish the job"? My understanding is that The Job of All Jobs was to dethrone Saddam. We hung him by the neck. Then The Job became to find WMD. We could't find a trace of radioactive/chemical/biological shit. Second argument out the window. Seems to me we have no intention to get out and we're trying to find every reason in the (Mein Kamp) book to not have to get up and go.
And who exactly is the "enemy" in this case?
I'm on the side of reason and common sense. You, and the likes of you, are the people, the "menacing individuals", Adams, Hamilton, et al, had warned us about.
No, but I wish I could be.
Niggga please!
PD: say hello to your sister for me.
Were did u get these numbers ::)
anyway morals have never had anything to do with committing trrops..otherwise we'd all have sent troops to Darfur years ago.
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Were did u get these numbers ::)
anyway morals have never had anything to do with committing trrops..otherwise we'd all have sent troops to Darfur years ago.
What difference does it make? Unless I quote Bush or Linbaugh you will not believe me so... what's the use?
Besides, I am a Giants and Yankess fan so...
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I don't listen to Limbaugh.....I do however work within the CAC/COIN center..the guys running the current surge and compling the actual facts...so ur numbers don't add up to the numbers that the guys ACTUALLY fighting the war have.....
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LOL. Decker put the smackdown on 240, and guys that say "Its okay cuz its for our future".
Its not really a war, Its a MURDER campaign.
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Who are we murdering...ur calling the US military a band of murderers? ::)
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Who are we murdering...ur calling the US military a band of murderers? ::)
Im sure some are. But thats not fair to use in a general form. Sorry.
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About 750,000 folks have rotated through Iraq over a million and ahalf or more in both OIF/OEF...not alot of murders. I bet there were more murders in the last 2 weeks in the nearest cities to each of us..then in total during both operations.
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About 750,000 folks have rotated through Iraq over a million and ahalf or more in both OIF/OEF...not alot of murders. I bet there were more murders in the last 2 weeks in the nearest cities to each of us..then in total during both operations.
I hope you are not comparing the crimes in Iraq to average homicide rates in large cities.
Limbaugh tried that chicanery and was promptly put in his place.
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I'm calling anything called outright murder by fellow servicemen as compared to what happens here on an average week, low, especially cmpared to the numbers of men that have rotated through here.
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I suspect alot of murdering by soldiers is likely. Most guys wont talk about it anymore than theyre likely to admit they support Ron Paul not mcCain.
Of course theyll talk and write books in the coming years describing the hideous acts on the population there. We'll see. 8)
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Not alot of murdering..have been there twice....most guys could care less about Ron Paul. Thsi whole RP thing is ridiculous.
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I suspect alot of murdering by soldiers is likely. Most guys wont talk about it anymore than theyre likely to admit they support Ron Paul not mcCain.
Of course theyll talk and write books in the coming years describing the hideous acts on the population there. We'll see. 8)
I'm not talking about Mai Lai types of acts. I'm talking about the entire Iraq invasion.
The law matters. If use of force is not legally justifiable then it is illegal. If we did not attack Iraq out of a legally justifiable defense of ourselves, defense of another or defense of our property interests, then that attack is illegal.
Since the attack is illegal, as a matter of course, every killing that follows from that attack is murder; not just the egregious examples. The attack is not justified.