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Title: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: The ChemistV2 on February 16, 2008, 09:20:36 AM
Just a question that I'm curious about. In the mid 70's Serge Nubret was suspended from the IFBB for allegedly appearing in Porno films which later were revealed to be no more explicit than what you'd see in a R rated movie. Apparently this supposedly reflected badly on the IFBB. Without naming names, We know of an IFBB female pro who has magazines and sells films of herself and other IFBB pro's in which they are clearly exposing their hideously masculinized genitalia and engage in real, not simulated, explicit sex scenes.

Also a male IFBB pro that is filmed sodomizing a defenseless Citrus fruit for the pleasure of sexual deviants. This pro is not only not reprimanded, but has won a recent pro show. My question to you Bob is, are there no longer anything in the IFBB rules concerning pornography  and in your personal opinion do you really believe competing in a non IFBB sanctioned event reflects worse on the IFBB than the above mentioned behavior?
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: Big_Tymer on February 16, 2008, 09:24:45 AM
The ifbb picks and chooses what rules they want to enforce and who to enforce them against.  As long as it doesnt threaten them financially (see Lee Priest), they dont have a problem with their pros breaking the rules.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: The ChemistV2 on February 16, 2008, 09:26:40 AM
The ifbb picks and chooses what rules they want to enforce and who to enforce them against.  As long as it doesnt threaten them financially (see Lee Priest), they dont have a problem with their pros breaking the rules.
In that case, I predict this post will be deleted very quickly.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: onlyme on February 16, 2008, 10:00:16 AM
The ifbb picks and chooses what rules they want to enforce and who to enforce them against.  As long as it doesnt threaten them financially (see Lee Priest), they dont have a problem with their pros breaking the rules.

Yes very true.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: emn1964 on February 16, 2008, 10:20:03 AM
IFBB "rules"!!!!  Isn't that an oxymoron?  They have a drug policy.  I mean they actually have a drug policy.  This is actually in the IFBB Contstitution.  Athletes must "compete drug-free."  Hahahahahahaha..IFBB rules.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: knny187 on February 16, 2008, 10:31:19 AM
Just a question that I'm curious about. In the mid 70's Serge Nubret was suspended from the IFBB for allegedly appearing in Porno films which later were revealed to be no more explicit than what you'd see in a R rated movie. Apparently this supposedly reflected badly on the IFBB. Without naming names, We know of an IFBB female pro who has magazines and sells films of herself and other IFBB pro's in which they are clearly exposing their hideously masculinized genitalia and engage in real, not simulated, explicit sex scenes. Also a male IFBB pro that is filmed sodomizing a defenseless Citrus fruit for the pleasure of sexual deviants. This pro is not only not reprimanded, but has won a recent pro show. My question to you Bob is, are there no longer anything in the IFBB rules concerning pornography  and in your personal opinion do you really believe competing in a non IFBB sanctioned event reflects worse on the IFBB than the above mentioned behavior?

Sounds like you're mentioning Denise Masino
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: emn1964 on February 16, 2008, 10:45:46 AM
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder how many IFBB pros fail to pay their taxes and end up with state and federal tax liens filed against them in Los Angeles County?

Please GB, don't hold back if you have info.  Spill it!
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: knny187 on February 16, 2008, 10:46:45 AM
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder how many IFBB pros fail to pay their taxes and end up with state and federal tax liens filed against them in Los Angeles County?

would be interesting to find out
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: emn1964 on February 16, 2008, 10:53:26 AM
Here is some fun stuff.  

Go to http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquirySearchParam.jis  and search Kevin Levrone.  

Countless unsatisfied judgments against him.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: Fulgorre on February 16, 2008, 02:49:46 PM
I doubt the False Master's Mr. Olympia has the courage to answer this question. :)
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 16, 2008, 03:02:36 PM
Will this thread be deleted?

Lady's and Gentlemen place your bets now!
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: knny187 on February 16, 2008, 03:04:18 PM
since the title of the thread has both Bob's name & "IFBB rules" in the same sentence....


yes
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: Meltdown on February 16, 2008, 03:21:28 PM
Why have any RULES if the drug rule is not enforced then it should be "We Don't have any RULES". ::)
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: calmus on February 16, 2008, 03:24:33 PM
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder how many IFBB pros fail to pay their taxes and end up with state and federal tax liens filed against them in Los Angeles County?

Wonder if these obligations are large enough to undermine any objectivity they might have in their dealings.......

If I owed a relatively large sum of money to Uncle Sam, I'd sure as hell not want to upset the people who pay me. 

Just saying.

"I owe my soul to the company store"
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: io856 on February 16, 2008, 03:35:29 PM
The fact is, they don't have any rules, other than what Weider/Manion decide is good for themselves at any given point in time.  Weider couldn't care less about drugs/porn, as they don't affect his pocket-book.  Someone starting up another league, however, does.

The "Rules" are just for show to help sell the illusion that the IFBB is a non-profit "Sports Federation", rather than the money-grubbing private enterprise that it is.  What's funny is Bob coming on here trying to defend actions in the context of the rules, rather than just admitting the rulebook is total bullshit window dressing, and it's really "whatever the boss says goes".


Now, what I'm more interested in is the fact that some IFBB pros may not be paying their taxes.  :o

Where are these allegations of tax evasion coming from?
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: calmus on February 16, 2008, 03:36:31 PM
  What's funny is Bob coming on here trying to defend actions in the context of the rules, rather than just admitting the rulebook is total bullshit window dressing, and it's really "whatever the boss says goes".


Wonder why Bob is so eager to toe the boss's line?  He always claims to have the pros' best interests at heart, but one wonders if he really does ...................
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: calmus on February 16, 2008, 03:43:14 PM

We already know Bob's a company man...  that's old news.

But he's always denied it.  Always claimed to be a successful businessman who is able to put the pros' best interests above all.  Wonder if that pretty little picture is accurate? 
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: timfogarty on February 16, 2008, 04:02:07 PM
Will this thread be deleted?  Lady's and Gentlemen place your bets now!

you're in luck.  Ron and Bob are both at the LA Fitness Expo today and the Ironman finals tonight.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 16, 2008, 04:10:36 PM
you're in luck.  Ron and Bob are both at the LA Fitness Expo today and the Ironman finals tonight.

Why should this thread be deleted at all?  It used to be that Getbig was the flashlight that shown into the dark corners of the IFBB, causing the cockroaches to scatter.  Now it's as if the cockroaches have taken over.  :-\
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: calmus on February 16, 2008, 04:22:07 PM
Why should this thread be deleted at all?  It used to be that Getbig was the flashlight that shown into the dark corners of the IFBB, causing the cockroaches to scatter.  Now it's as if the cockroaches have taken over.  :-\

Purely academic interest here, goat.... Has Uncle Sam used tax evasion as grounds to apply pressure on people they might want information from?
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: calmus on February 16, 2008, 04:29:31 PM
Isn't that Novitzky guy going after the baseball players an IRS agent?  ???
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: dr.chimps on February 16, 2008, 04:31:59 PM
Purely academic interest here, goat.... Has Uncle Sam used tax evasion as grounds to apply pressure on people they might want information from?
Al Capone ring a bell?
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: mass 04 on February 16, 2008, 04:37:00 PM
Al Capone ring a bell?
Is that Zone's brother?
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 16, 2008, 04:40:48 PM
Is that Zone's brother?

His grandfather, I think.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: calmus on February 17, 2008, 12:08:14 PM
Bump for freeloading IFBB pros.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 17, 2008, 12:18:25 PM
Bump for possible multiple unsanctioned IFBB meltdowns!
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: emn1964 on February 18, 2008, 07:38:07 AM
Bump just for grins
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: flexnfemme on February 18, 2008, 10:23:17 PM
Wonder why Bob is so eager to toe the boss's line?  He always claims to have the pros' best interests at heart, but one wonders if he really does ...................

what else is he going to do for a living...lets see...the resume would include gossiping about other men, rude, arrogant, wife beatinh...maybe he could be a NY cop!!!
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: The ChemistV2 on February 19, 2008, 08:17:19 AM
Anyone notice someone changed the title of my post? Hmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: The Squadfather on February 19, 2008, 08:19:43 AM
hahahhaa, oh brother, sounds like "the Chemist' is VERY concerned with gay porn. :-X
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: The ChemistV2 on February 19, 2008, 08:32:38 AM
hahahhaa, oh brother, sounds like "the Chemist' is VERY concerned with gay porn. :-X

No, I'm talking about the fact someone changed the title of my post from the original: Bob Cicherillo-Please answer question about IFBB rules? Obviously Bob didn't want to answer it...and isn't true that you pack more Fudge than a Keebler Elf ?
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Chick on February 19, 2008, 09:07:54 AM
Just a question that I'm curious about. In the mid 70's Serge Nubret was suspended from the IFBB for allegedly appearing in Porno films which later were revealed to be no more explicit than what you'd see in a R rated movie. Apparently this supposedly reflected badly on the IFBB. Without naming names, We know of an IFBB female pro who has magazines and sells films of herself and other IFBB pro's in which they are clearly exposing their hideously masculinized genitalia and engage in real, not simulated, explicit sex scenes.

Also a male IFBB pro that is filmed sodomizing a defenseless Citrus fruit for the pleasure of sexual deviants. This pro is not only not reprimanded, but has won a recent pro show. My question to you Bob is, are there no longer anything in the IFBB rules concerning pornography  and in your personal opinion do you really believe competing in a non IFBB sanctioned event reflects worse on the IFBB than the above mentioned behavior?

Can't answer for what they did or didn't do in the 70's...

The rules regarding "porn" and releated things are classified in the "Code of Conduct", not the rules. They are there as a guideline, as most of them would be very hard to enforce given peoples rights, etc.

My personal opinion is that both aren't in the best interest of the federation, or the athlete...I would sugest to any IFBB pro to not do either.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 09:12:39 AM
The rules regarding "porn" and releated things are classified in the "Code of Conduct", not the rules. They are there as a guideline, as most of them would be very hard to enforce given peoples rights, etc.

So, people have the "right" to make porn and fuck grapefruits in their off time, but they don't have the "right" to do a PDI show in their off time?  C'mon, Bob, that doesn't make any sense.  Either the IFBB has the right to regulate bodybuilders' "off hours" activities or they don't, but you can't argue athletes have "rights" in some areas and not in others.  Last I checked, there was no Constitutional ammendment protection specifically for fucking citrus fruits.  ::)
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Chick on February 19, 2008, 09:25:22 AM
So, people have the "right" to make porn and fuck grapefruits in their off time, but they don't have the "right" to do a PDI show in their off time?  C'mon, Bob, that doesn't make any sense.  Either the IFBB has the right to regulate bodybuilders' "off hours" activities or they don't, but you can't argue athletes have "rights" in some areas and not in others.  Last I checked, there was no Constitutional ammendment protection specifically for fucking citrus fruits.  ::)

Athletes don't have the right to compete in another federation, when they sign the dotted line and agree to NOT compete elsewhere....simple as that. The IFBB does NOT have the right to "regulate" your "off hours" activities...as long as it doesn't violate the contract you signed.

And yes, I can argue that we have rights in some areas, and not in others...it's called LIFE...check it out sometime.

Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Tre on February 19, 2008, 09:26:18 AM
...sodomizing a defenseless Citrus fruit

LOL @ defenseless citrus fruit!!
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: Tre on February 19, 2008, 09:28:47 AM
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder how many IFBB pros fail to pay their taxes and end up with state and federal tax liens filed against them in Los Angeles County?

True, but how many actually own property against which a lien can be placed? 

Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 09:31:52 AM
Athletes don't have the right to compete in another federation, when they sign the dotted line and agree to NOT compete elsewhere....simple as that. The IFBB does NOT have the right to "regulate" your "off hours" activities...as long as it doesn't violate the contract you signed.

So, when they sign on the dotted line, don't they also agree NOT to do porn, since that is in the IFBB rules as well?


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And yes, I can argue that we have rights in some areas, and not in others...it's called LIFE...check it out sometime.




You're the one who decided to base your argument on "rights" (see your original post).  I'm saying I don't see where one has the "right" to do porn despite their employer's wishes.  Remember, it was you who said the IFBB couldn't enforce the porn rule because of the athlete's rights.  If they do have that right, please cite the law or court ruling that gives it to them.   



Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: Tre on February 19, 2008, 09:36:41 AM

Like $125,571 for example?  ;D

To owe that much, he had to have made a lot, eh? 
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Chick on February 19, 2008, 10:00:20 AM
So, when they sign on the dotted line, don't they also agree NOT to do porn, since that is in the IFBB rules as well?



You're the one who decided to base your argument on "rights" (see your original post).  I'm saying I don't see where one has the "right" to do porn despite their employer's wishes.  Remember, it was you who said the IFBB couldn't enforce the porn rule because of the athlete's rights.  If they do have that right, please cite the law or court ruling that gives it to them.   





No, they agree to abide by the rules, which are a seperate part from the Code of conduct...as was explained.

How about the Constitution? Perhaps the "freedom of speech" part may come into play here.

Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: The ChemistV2 on February 19, 2008, 10:22:26 AM
Can't answer for what they did or didn't do in the 70's...

The rules regarding "porn" and releated things are classified in the "Code of Conduct", not the rules. They are there as a guideline, as most of them would be very hard to enforce given peoples rights, etc.

My personal opinion is that both aren't in the best interest of the federation, or the athlete...I would sugest to any IFBB pro to not do either.

Thank you for clearing that up Bob. I appreciate you taken the time to answer that. I can understand the distinction between a rule and code of conduct. Kind of a gray area but makes sense.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: HowieW on February 19, 2008, 10:23:09 AM
Why have any RULES if the drug rule is not enforced then it should be "We Don't have any RULES". ::)
We all know we have written rules for drugs , judging and conduct, etc.
The real rules are the "understood " rules.
I sincerely wish, the IFBB would simply put down in writting what they actually do.
If they don't want drug testing, I am fine with that as a fan, but don't have 48 pags of rules on testing them.
It insults me when they do that.It is kinda like saying I am too dumb and belive the pros are drug free> ::)
Same with the judging standard, If mass and freaky cuts are the main criteria , say so.
If doing some porn or on line nude posing or wrestling is allowed, fine with me, just don't pretend that the rule against it is enforced now.

I am not picking on just the IFBB here. Look at all the hypocrites in other sports.
Pretty sad we all can't just be honest and candid , live life in the open and not hide who/what we really are.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: HowieW on February 19, 2008, 10:29:09 AM
Athletes don't have the right to compete in another federation, when they sign the dotted line and agree to NOT compete elsewhere....simple as that. The IFBB does NOT have the right to "regulate" your "off hours" activities...as long as it doesn't violate the contract you signed.

And yes, I can argue that we have rights in some areas, and not in others...it's called LIFE...check it out sometime.



Good reply here Bob. I think it is that simple and as long as the pro doesn't broadcast what they do in their private life, , why should anyone else care.
I won't bug ya on the IFBB pro drug policy, we beat that like a "dead horse" already.besides there is so much in the news media hype  about steroids and HGh in sports, it makes me bored.

Hey , they PBW radio show was pretty good, I sincerely enjoyed it. I feel some big kid listening in and really get a kick out of it. At 49, I still have a real passion for bodybuilding. See ya at the ASC.
My sis will be with me, she is an actual MD, she got the brains and ambition in the family LOL.
I bet she flirst with you big guy hehehe.
Howard
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: emn1964 on February 19, 2008, 10:29:35 AM
No, they agree to abide by the rules, which are a seperate part from the Code of conduct...as was explained.

How about the Constitution? Perhaps the "freedom of speech" part may come into play here.

The US Constitution has no play in here.  The First Amendment only prohibits GOVERNMENTAL restrictions on free speech.  Private citizens are free to contract away their rights to speak on certain subjects or engage in activity which, if prohibited by the government, would otherwise be unlawful restrictions on free speech.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 11:01:24 AM
No, they agree to abide by the rules, which are a seperate part from the Code of conduct...as was explained.

So, they agree to abide by the "rules", but they DON'T agree to abide by the "code of conduct"?  If they are not required to abide by it, why have it in the first place?

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How about the Constitution? Perhaps the "freedom of speech" part may come into play here.

Actually, no it doesn't.  The Constitution prohibits the government from making laws restricting or criminalizing speech. It does not say private employers have to keep porn-mongers or grapefruit mollesters in their employ.

But then you already know this.  If you don't, you must not have had much legal instruction in cop school, huh?   ::)


Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 11:03:44 AM
The US Constitution has no play in here.  The First Amendment only prohibits GOVERNMENTAL restrictions on free speech.  Private citizens are free to contract away their rights to speak on certain subjects or engage in activity which, if prohibited by the government, would otherwise be unlawful restrictions on free speech.


Bob already knows this.  He's just grasping at straws here because he's losing the argument.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: HowieW on February 19, 2008, 11:08:41 AM

Bob already knows this.  He's just grasping at straws here because he's losing the argument.
No he really didn't, the code of coduct is general policy of how to act, no more, no less.
It is up to the IFBB if they want to pursure matters of personal conduct.
The bigger issue is why would anyone care? I don't.
The one issue I do have is when guys that get busted with drugs that are against the IFBB rules are then alllowed to still compete?????????????? I never understoood that one. ???
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 11:15:55 AM
No he really didn't, the code of coduct is general policy of how to act, no more, no less.


I was referring to Bob's comments about the Constition and freedom of speech.  Please read more carefully before you post, Howard.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 11:28:43 AM
No he really didn't, the code of coduct is general policy of how to act, no more, no less.
It is up to the IFBB if they want to pursure matters of personal conduct.



And it's also up to the IFBB if they want to pursue "rules" (as opposed to "matters of personal conduct").

The fact of the matter is, the IFBB chooses to enforce some policies, yet not enforce others no matter what you call them.  Bob  is trying to argue that IFBB actions are not arbitrary and based on the whims of the "boss" (whoever it may be at any given point in time), but that it operates in a fair legal framework.  The point of the argument is to get Bob to admit that the "rules" are really a sham, and there is no fair and consistent framework that one would expect to find in a "federation", but rather the IFBB arbitrarily does whatever the fuck it wants, much like a private employer would (except unlike a private employer, it doesn't actually pay these guys anything).
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: dantelis on February 19, 2008, 11:34:51 AM
I think if you do a search it would prove quite fruitful

Hope you aren't suggesting we search for the grapefruit video.   ;D
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 11:37:01 AM
Hope you aren't suggesting we search for the grapefruit video.   ;D

Nah, the guy you're talking about doesn't make enough money to have racked up that much in back taxes.

Besides, he lives in NYC, not LA County.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Fatpanda on February 19, 2008, 11:46:17 AM
who molested the grapefruit? ???

please say it wasn't heath :o
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 11:47:37 AM
who molested the grapefruit? ???

please say it wasn't heath :o
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: emn1964 on February 19, 2008, 12:38:36 PM
No he really didn't, the code of coduct is general policy of how to act, no more, no less.
It is up to the IFBB if they want to pursure matters of personal conduct.
The bigger issue is why would anyone care? I don't.
The one issue I do have is when guys that get busted with drugs that are against the IFBB rules are then alllowed to still compete?????????????? I never understoood that one. ???

hahahahahaha..you never understodd that one?  How about the one that says that they are required to compete drug free.  Hey Bob, why don't you start there?
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Vince B on February 19, 2008, 01:40:01 PM
People underestimate Bob Chick. Has he ever been wrong about anything relating to bodybuilding, judging, contests, rules, conduct, etc? Absolutley not. Bob has always been on the money. When there are things he doesn't agree with it then obviously it is not his fault. Bob is the guy who has been battling tirelessly for justice and fairness in this sport.

I hope this helps stooges like Goatboy who obviously are out of the loop. I mean, how hard is this stuff to comprehend?  
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: timfogarty on February 19, 2008, 01:44:45 PM
The bigger issue is why would anyone care? I don't.
The one issue I do have is when guys that get busted with drugs that are against the IFBB rules are then allowed to still compete?????????????? I never understoood that one. ???

what about escorting?  Does that fall under rules or code of conduct?
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 01:53:50 PM
People underestimate Bob Chick. Has he ever been wrong about anything relating to bodybuilding, judging, contests, rules, conduct, etc? Absolutley not. Bob has always been on the money. When there are things he doesn't agree with it then obviously it is not his fault. Bob is the guy who has been battling tirelessly for justice and fairness in this sport.

I hope this helps stooges like Goatboy who obviously are out of the loop. I mean, how hard is this stuff to comprehend?  


LOL.  Sarcasm in purple font.  ;D
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: HTexan on February 19, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
People underestimate Bob Chick. Has he ever been wrong about anything relating to bodybuilding, judging, contests, rules, conduct, etc? Absolutley not. Bob has always been on the money. When there are things he doesn't agree with it then obviously it is not his fault. Bob is the guy who has been battling tirelessly for justice and fairness in this sport.

I hope this helps stooges like Goatboy who obviously are out of the loop. I mean, how hard is this stuff to comprehend?  
The rules are not his fault, so why is he defending them? As Gravel would say, "Follow the money"  ;)
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 01:56:35 PM
what about escorting?  Does that fall under rules or code of conduct?


Doesn't matter...  both are window dressing.  What matters is what kind of mood Jim Manion is in today.  If he doesn't want them doing escorting, they wont (or risk getting kicked out).  On the other hand, if he decides it's permissable, then it is.

Of course, he can always change his mind tomorrow.

See how that works?  :D
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Vince B on February 19, 2008, 02:40:27 PM
Can anyone here imagine what it would be like without the IFBB? Most of the pros need a bit of help and guidance and the rules are made with them in mind. Why anyone would blame the IFBB for anything is beyond me. Bob Chick has been attacked for no good reason and it is obvious to me that we need more guys like him.

If the baggers would shake their heads and think clearly for a moment they would stop throwing stones at the good guys!
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: G o a t b o y on February 19, 2008, 03:06:37 PM
Can anyone here imagine what it would be like without the IFBB? Most of the pros need a bit of help and guidance and the rules are made with them in mind. Why anyone would blame the IFBB for anything is beyond me. Bob Chick has been attacked for no good reason and it is obvious to me that we need more guys like him.

If the baggers would shake their heads and think clearly for a moment they would stop throwing stones at the good guys!


Vince...  did you compete against Jocelyn Pelletier back in the day?  He was a Mr. Canada back in the 70's too, wasn't he?  Maybe the two of you should do a re-match or something.  :-X
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: bodybuildermdpitt on February 19, 2008, 03:53:18 PM
Bodybuilding like everything else in our American economy is a goods based service. The product sold by the IFBB has changed over the years. No longer is bodybuilding considered a work of art or a pursuit of athletic perfection (although in its inception there was differently a strong homosexual following, a lot of it was actually pushed by Weider's blue magazines). Bodybuilding right now has lost all artistic merit and nobody can argue that is by any means a pusuit of athletic perfection. There use to be a time when posing was an art. Looking at the posing videos from the 70s and even some in the 80s. Over time, with the excessive use of steroids, HGH, and now insulin, bodybuilding has lost respect. Not only to the general public but with the majority of people that work out. With a field with such little respect, you attract indivuals with the same calibur. For example, a ballet dancer will never dance at a strip club, only a whore/slut would. Which brings us to the people who work for or compete under the IFBB. Look at the involved individuals, from Bob Chick to Kai Greene to Dave Palumbo to King Kamali. How much respect do you really give these people, or a better question, how much respect do they deserve? These individuals are not productive members of society.  The IFBB is full of gay porn stars, felons, and individuals that break controlled substance laws on a daily basis. As the saying goes, dirt will always attract scum. Have you ever been to a bodybuilding show recently? It is the bottom rung of society in one arena. There was a reason the Arnold classic is considered an athletic/fitness expo and not a bodybuiding event. Arnold is smart enough to distance himself from this freak show. I personally don't care what happens to the IFBB, it is a joke, and deserves the same respect as a gay male strip club. Where else do grown men cheer to see another grown man dance to rap music and strip off to a thong? It is not a strip club, it is your typical IFBB show.

cheers,

bodybuildermdpitt
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Vince B on February 19, 2008, 04:00:49 PM
Gosh, some heavy stones cast against our noble sport. Do not the men exhibit physiques that only the Gods of ancient times dreamed about? Many here are gifted in debasing all that is good in our sport. For some peculiar reason most of these knockers have never donned a pair of posing trunks nor had their photo published.

Goatboy is president of the Getbig Sour Grapes Club.  
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: mikediesel on February 19, 2008, 04:02:42 PM
yes @ http://www.theshoreconference.com/

DJ SANTOS
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Vince B on February 19, 2008, 04:04:23 PM
"Vince...  did you compete against Jocelyn Pelletier back in the day?  He was a Mr. Canada back in the 70's too, wasn't he?  Maybe the two of you should do a re-match or something."

I preceded Jocelyn so he is not a contemporary of mine. Will the world ever witness Goatboy in posing trunks? We could bet our houses on that question in the negative. Good luck to anyone brave enough to get up on stage and pose.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Vince B on February 19, 2008, 04:09:14 PM
You know, folks, I have been reading these threads for years now. Goatboy is loud re morals and wrongdoing. However, this sordid critic is devoid of any moral authority to knock anyone. He has not paid his dues and is not a bona fide member of the Iron Game. He is merely a curious onlooker who is dismayed by what he sees and a guy who feels intellectually superior to the typical musclehead.

I doubt our self-styled hero has any currency on Getbig except among the footsoldiers. He could purchase some respect were he to actually practice what he so loudly preaches.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: The Squadfather on February 19, 2008, 04:13:01 PM
who gives a shit if these guys do porn or fucck grapefruits, that's their own business.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Chick on February 19, 2008, 05:06:44 PM
So, they agree to abide by the "rules", but they DON'T agree to abide by the "code of conduct"?  If they are not required to abide by it, why have it in the first place?

Actually, no it doesn't.  The Constitution prohibits the government from making laws restricting or criminalizing speech. It does not say private employers have to keep porn-mongers or grapefruit mollesters in their employ.

But then you already know this.  If you don't, you must not have had much legal instruction in cop school, huh?   ::)




They do agree, but the COC is there as a GUIDELINE, they're not strict rules, they are a series of beliefs that have been established by the IFBB.

Sorry bro, they don'ty teach us the constitution at the Police academy, havent been down that road since H.S. Sorry if i'm wrong, I just figure the "freedom of speech" might be what governs what people can do in their spare time, perhaps you can site the exact amendment that would fall under for those of us not in the know.?
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Red Hook on February 19, 2008, 05:26:16 PM
who gives a shit if these guys do porn or fucck grapefruits, that's their own business.

as long as they don't compete in another federation then all is ok  :-\

fucking grapefruit == ok
G4P = ok
enter the PDI == not ok
peddle "supplements" == ok
go to jail == ok
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: bodybuildermdpitt on February 19, 2008, 05:38:23 PM
as long as they don't compete in another federation then all is ok  :-\

fucking grapefruit == ok
G4P = ok
enter the PDI == not ok
peddle "supplements" == ok
go to jail == ok

and don't forget illegal drug use = ok and encouraged.

IFBB is like a heroin shoot up contest, who gets the biggest high and doesn't OD wins!! Like heroin addicts, most are drug dealers, users, and prostitutes.

cheers,

bodybuilderpittmd
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: dearth on February 19, 2008, 05:42:52 PM

"series of beliefs" ?!
more like serious BS.

the ifbb arbitrarily picks and chooses what rules to enforce.

hope this helps


They do agree, but the COC is there as a GUIDELINE, they're not strict rules, they are a series of beliefs that have been established by the IFBB.

Sorry bro, they don'ty teach us the constitution at the Police academy, havent been down that road since H.S. Sorry if i'm wrong, I just figure the "freedom of speech" might be what governs what people can do in their spare time, perhaps you can site the exact amendment that would fall under for those of us not in the know.?
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: The.Giant on February 19, 2008, 06:20:16 PM
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted yet. When i posted the video of Rodney St. Cloud @ a bachelorette party, air humping the shit out of some old broad, it was deleted within minutes.
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: bigmikecox on February 19, 2008, 06:30:48 PM
The ifbb picks and chooses what rules they want to enforce and who to enforce them against.  As long as it doesnt threaten them financially (see Lee Priest), they dont have a problem with their pros breaking the rules.

Exactly.  The IFBB pimps these bber's out and when they are dried up, finds mnew meat.  Erika Mes posed for the Dutch version of Playboy and was suspended.  But then, Flex started to run the Power and Sizzle posters and all was forgotten.  The IFBB is a joke.  Its run like the mob.  Do what I say or i'll fuck you over.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: HTexan on February 19, 2008, 08:45:53 PM
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted yet. When i posted the video of Rodney St. Cloud @ a bachelorette party, air humping the shit out of some old broad, it was deleted within minutes.
Section 4.17E of the Official Code of Conduct states:
"*humping, is strictly forbidden by the code of conduct.
This includes, but not limited to, air humping, fan humping, humping during standing relax pose, poster humping, and/or  groupie humping.
*does not apply to judges, higher ups, parole officers, or law enforcement."
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: Parker on February 19, 2008, 09:13:15 PM
Here is some fun stuff. 

Go to http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquirySearchParam.jis  and search Kevin Levrone.

Countless unsatisfied judgments against him.

There was some issue where a dude  got injured  at World Gym and sued Kev, funny when I pulled up the linked. Check Vince Taylor ( well in the past) or King Kamali, they've gotten into some issue in Maryland as well.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Arnold jr on February 19, 2008, 09:25:46 PM
They do agree, but the COC is there as a GUIDELINE, they're not strict rules, they are a series of beliefs that have been established by the IFBB.

Sorry bro, they don'ty teach us the constitution at the Police academy, havent been down that road since H.S. Sorry if i'm wrong, I just figure the "freedom of speech" might be what governs what people can do in their spare time, perhaps you can site the exact amendment that would fall under for those of us not in the know.?
The Freedom of Speech amendment is there to protect an individuals rights to speak and/or criticize the government. It's main purpose was to make sure that dissenting voices were not squashed out.

As for individual rights of speech. You're right, anyone can say anything they want about anything as long as it does not threaten others safety...i.e. shouting fire in a crowded theater. Think about it, if the KKK can exist, anyone can say anything. However, since anyone can say anything they want, private organizations such as the IFBBB, an org. not governed by the government can say do whatever it wants about anything, as long as what it says does not break the law. Case in point, Howie brought up the drug testing rules in the IFBB. I agree, it's irritating that these are there...I'd much rather see honesty, and I say that as someone who is pro-AAS...but how can there be honesty about something like this and the org survive? Those rules ahve to be written in the rule book to protect the IFBB...if the hammer was to come down on the competitor, then the org could say, he broke our rules, we didn't tell him to do it.
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Red Hook on February 19, 2008, 09:37:32 PM
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted yet. When i posted the video of Rodney St. Cloud @ a bachelorette party, air humping the shit out of some old broad, it was deleted within minutes.

I wonder where he got the money to buy the food to get energy to dry hump granny?

I mean, he has to work so hard, he has to walk a couple of blocks to the grocery store every day  ::)
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: Red Hook on February 19, 2008, 09:39:43 PM
Section 4.17E of the Official Code of Conduct states:
"*humping, is strictly forbidden by the code of conduct.
This includes, but not limited to, air humping, fan humping, humping during standing relax pose, poster humping, and/or  groupie humping.
*does not apply to judges, higher ups, parole officers, or law enforcement."

what about fucking defenseless citrus fruit? I can see raping a cantaloupe, but who would rape a grapefruit. what has a grapefruit ever done to mankind?  ???
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: arce377 on February 19, 2008, 10:45:43 PM
What have I missed?? What is this grape fruit shit and Kai about??
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: polychronopolous on February 19, 2008, 11:06:44 PM
Joe Weider will be layin on a hospital bed when he is about 108 years old, gasping for his last few precious breaths, with family and friends gathered around....and he will STILL be thinking about the god damn bottom line....
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: HTexan on February 20, 2008, 06:53:23 AM
what about fucking defenseless citrus fruit? I can see raping a cantaloupe, but who would rape a grapefruit. what has a grapefruit ever done to mankind?  ???
not against the code  >:( so green for hump defenseless grapefruits all he wants. ;D
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: knny187 on February 20, 2008, 12:18:30 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Bob Chicherillo- Please answer question regarding IFBB rules
Post by: emn1964 on February 20, 2008, 12:35:39 PM
There was some issue where a dude  got injured  at World Gym and sued Kev, funny when I pulled up the linked. Check Vince Taylor ( well in the past) or King Kamali, they've gotten into some issue in Maryland as well.

funny.  kev has got a bad rep for not paying his bills.  i'll have to check out vince and king.  didn't king grow up in like silver spring?
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: divcom on February 20, 2008, 08:45:49 PM
Didnt Kim Chambers do a show?  I dont think porn matters.  Obivously...they dont drug test.  Shawn and Jay DQs were just for show so the FEDs could go after baseball.   :-\

(http://www.nudesoftheweb.com/kimchambers/kimch_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: The ChemistV2 on February 21, 2008, 05:43:06 AM
Didnt Kim Chambers do a show?  I dont think porn matters.  Obivously...they dont drug test.  Shawn and Jay DQs were just for show so the FEDs could go after baseball.   :-\

(http://www.nudesoftheweb.com/kimchambers/kimch_02.jpg)
Well I agree that SHE could be cut some slack, looking like that. Yes, the rules, excuse me, Code of Conduct, should be set aside in this instance. But guys dancing in leather thongs for gays and sodomizing innocent produce(citrus fruits, mangoes, honeydew melons, etc.) should be shown no leniency. They should receive the harshest penalties imaginable!
Title: Re: Please answer question regarding IFBB rules re porn?
Post by: emn1964 on February 21, 2008, 08:52:08 AM
I went to the IFBB website and tried to download the Rules.  Funny thing is that the linky no worky.  Things that make you go hmmmmm...