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would you put it to sleep?
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Only if it was NOT the victims fault. If the dog honestly went nuts or whatever and attacked a child unprovoked then maybe...but how often does that happen? It is usually the fault of an irresponsible owner leaving a child with the dog etc.... I guess it would depend on the situation.
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Only if it was NOT the victims fault. If the dog honestly went nuts or whatever and attacked a child unprovoked then maybe...but how often does that happen? It is usually the fault of an irresponsible owner leaving a child with the dog etc.... I guess it would depend on the situation.
Years ago back in NYC someone's rotweiler mauled a kid to death in a park whilst he was playing. I'll never forget that. Unprovoked.
Honestly those types of breeds I don't trust....pitbulls too...give me a nice beagle over them any day...
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Years ago back in NYC someone's rotweiler mauled a kid to death in a park whilst he was playing. I'll never forget that. Unprovoked.
Honestly those types of breeds I don't trust....pitbulls too...give me a nice beagle over them any day...
Never been bitten by a pit, been bitten by a poodle, and a cocker spaniel....imagine that.
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Never been bitten by a pit, been bitten by a poodle, and a cocker spaniel....imagine that.
I've been bitten by a cocker spaniel too...to this day I hate cocker spaniels... >:(
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I've been bitten by a cocker spaniel too...to this day I hate cocker spaniels... >:(
dude, because you got bit by one? I got chomped bigtime by a wolf, I don't hate them. I've just had to alter my lifestyle around full moons is all. Kidding :D
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dude, because you got bit by one? I got chomped bigtime by a wolf, I don't hate them. I've just had to alter my lifestyle around full moons is all. Kidding :D
Ugly dogs anyway...cocker spaniels are...
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would you put it to sleep?
When I was a kid, one of my dogs ran down some deer. My stepdad gave me the choice, i could shoot the dog or he would. That happened twice in my childhood--the other time was with my brothers dog, which he shot while I made noise in the house so my kid brother wouldn't hear the gunshot. To me those were some pretty hard, very real life lessons.
There are certian things you absolutely have to draw the line with---one is one of my dogs biting humans or running livestock, especially if its unprovoked. Also, I'm not talking about my dogs mauling a burgler who's attacking me or my wife or chasing cattle under my command. If an unprovoked attack/mauling occurs, first, I'd blame myself becuase I am certian I'd have to have done something stupid in the training/socialization of that dog or have let the dog get into a situation I should have not allowed to happen. Second, I'd euthanize the dog. I won't tolerate it.
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Not sure about this, but if your dog really hurt someone, wouldn't you legally have to put them to sleep.
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Not sure about this, but if your dog really hurt someone, wouldn't you legally have to put them to sleep.
In some places , you're probably right .My cat bit me once and I had a bad infection.The Dr.'s office turned in a report of an animal bite.3 days later the local Animal Control Officer came to "try" and pick up my cat to be put down , 8)
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When I was a kid, one of my dogs ran down some deer. My stepdad gave me the choice, i could shoot the dog or he would. That happened twice in my childhood--the other time was with my brothers dog, which he shot while I made noise in the house so my kid brother wouldn't hear the gunshot. To me those were some pretty hard, very real life lessons.
There are certian things you absolutely have to draw the line with---one is one of my dogs biting humans or running livestock, especially if its unprovoked. Also, I'm not talking about my dogs mauling a burgler who's attacking me or my wife or chasing cattle under my command. If an unprovoked attack/mauling occurs, first, I'd blame myself becuase I am certian I'd have to have done something stupid in the training/socialization of that dog or have let the dog get into a situation I should have not allowed to happen. Second, I'd euthanize the dog. I won't tolerate it.
I agree with what Vet says here
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If my dog ran after livestock I would keep my dog away from it. I couldn't see myself killing my dog because of something like that.
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If my dog ran after livestock I would keep my dog away from it. I couldn't see myself killing my dog because of something like that.
Well, coming from a farm area....once a dog gets the taste of blood or a chase....it's really hard to break. In most cases, they will bolt whenever they have a chance or when you least expect it.
IMO....when your family dog is out in thew woods chasing down deer or livestock in the field, it's no longer your family pet anymore. They can be a ticking timebomb especially if you have small kids in the house or even other pets like cats. In very rare circumstances, I've seen that type of behaviour broke....but I'm talking like 1 out of 100 in percentage. Not very common at all.
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Well, coming from a farm area....once a dog gets the taste of blood or a chase....it's really hard to break. In most cases, they will bolt whenever they have a chance or when you least expect it.
IMO....when your family dog is out in thew woods chasing down deer or livestock in the field, it's no longer your family pet anymore. They can be a ticking timebomb especially if you have small kids in the house or even other pets like cats. In very rare circumstances, I've seen that type of behaviour broke....but I'm talking like 1 out of 100 in percentage. Not very common at all.
Alot of people say that about the taste of blood, I don't buy it. I don't see any scientific or behavioral basis at all. What about rehabilitated fighting dogs? What about MARROW BONES? What about a raw diet?
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The taste of blood is bullshit, it is the prey drive and the thrill of that.
If I gave my dogs a meal with fur on it they most likely wouldn't eat it. If they went and killed another animal it wouldn't be for food, it would be the chase.
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I think the taste of blood is a manner of speaking
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You gotta put the dog down, sad as it may be.
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I would say ya you have to put the dog down even though it would be very sad, I cant imagine how hard that would be
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Years ago back in NYC someone's rotweiler mauled a kid to death in a park whilst he was playing. I'll never forget that. Unprovoked.
Honestly those types of breeds I don't trust....pitbulls too...give me a nice beagle over them any day...
never been bit by a rot or a pit knock on wood...lol now a chihuaha thats another story i swear ive been bitten by like 4 or 5,those little fucks piss me off
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I think the taste of blood is a manner of speaking
I've had people tell me that raw feeding will make them get blood crazy and they will start attacking other pets, so most people take it as it is said. "Once the get a taste of blood, they will go looking for blood". It is not the taste of blood, it is the thrill of the chase and kill, that they may decide they want to keep doing.
That is typically one of the first questions people ask, usually after "won't the bones kill them".
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If my dog ran after livestock I would keep my dog away from it. I couldn't see myself killing my dog because of something like that.
Have you ever lived in farm country? The reason I ask is that chasing livestock is a crime in many rural areas. the owner of the dog will be liable for any damage done to livestock---including bruising damage and potentially loss of gains if the farmer can prove it. Not only that its perfectly legal for a farmer to shoot a dog chasing their livestock as a means of protecting the livestock. My grandfather shot my neighbors dog when I was a kid and took the dog to their front porch--he'd warned them multiple times about keeping the dog up, and when they didnt, he shot the dog. They werent happy, but legally, there was absolutely nothing they could do because the dog was chasing livestock on my families farm property.
Also, I'm not talking about just barking at some cows in a pasture--thats annoying--I'm talking about getting in with the livestock and running the cattle until the cattle (or sheep, or goats, or pigs) get out or get injured or worse yet, actually killing a calf or something like that. That is one of the things that a dog just doesn't do, unless its under direct control of the owner at the time its doing it.
I'd much rather be the one killing my dog---humanely---than the risk of some one missing the shot and gut shooting the dog or blowing off a leg and the dog laying in a ditch dying. Its typically a prey drive thrill of the chase moment thing that given a chance once they've done it, they will do it again and again.
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I live fairly close to a farm. I also live next to a busy road, so I put up a chain link fence. My dogs are house dogs anyway, so I don't have that problem. I would do whatever it took to keep them away from livestock like tying them up when they are outside. It may suck for some people to do that, but it beats killing them, I would say.
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I've had people tell me that raw feeding will make them get blood crazy and they will start attacking other pets, so most people take it as it is said. "Once the get a taste of blood, they will go looking for blood". It is not the taste of blood, it is the thrill of the chase and kill, that they may decide they want to keep doing.
That is typically one of the first questions people ask, usually after "won't the bones kill them".
Unless they're a shark...I doubt it. If that was the case...humans would be blood thirsty....well....I guess some have been known to - lol
With dogs, it's not the actual taste of blood (in my opinion). Honestly, you probably could fill a bowl of blood & feed it to a dog & they most likely wouldn't like it.
It's the chase of the prey, the adrenaline, the attack, & then everything else following behind it.
I think for the most part, people say "the dog has the taste of blood" meaning "the dog has taste of hunting or chasing prey".
People get so hung up on terminology that slang words are being picked apart.
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Have you ever lived in farm country? The reason I ask is that chasing livestock is a crime in many rural areas. the owner of the dog will be liable for any damage done to livestock---including bruising damage and potentially loss of gains if the farmer can prove it. Not only that its perfectly legal for a farmer to shoot a dog chasing their livestock as a means of protecting the livestock. My grandfather shot my neighbors dog when I was a kid and took the dog to their front porch--he'd warned them multiple times about keeping the dog up, and when they didnt, he shot the dog. They werent happy, but legally, there was absolutely nothing they could do because the dog was chasing livestock on my families farm property.
Also, I'm not talking about just barking at some cows in a pasture--thats annoying--I'm talking about getting in with the livestock and running the cattle until the cattle (or sheep, or goats, or pigs) get out or get injured or worse yet, actually killing a calf or something like that. That is one of the things that a dog just doesn't do, unless its under direct control of the owner at the time its doing it.
I'd much rather be the one killing my dog---humanely---than the risk of some one missing the shot and gut shooting the dog or blowing off a leg and the dog laying in a ditch dying. Its typically a prey drive thrill of the chase moment thing that given a chance once they've done it, they will do it again and again.
I hear 100% of what Vet is trying to say.
When I grew up (living in a farm area) my father told me that i had to shoot a dog if it was chasing livestock or deer. He said basically that if there is no livestock or deer to chase, they'll find something else.
I remember one time when I was a kid going hunting with my dad. I was pretty young, maybe 13. We were on top of a hill & I heard dogs barking. We stood there looking down this intense, thick hardwoods & saw this deer scrambling & running like hell. Behind it about 15 feet was a pack of 4-5 dogs chasing it down. I can still remember what one of the dogs looked like because it was pretty scary looking. It was big, black, extremely furry with a big furry tail. They were really too far away but my father took a shot anyways.
Make a long story short, we sat up on that hillside for about 3 hours or so. When we left, instead of going down the hillside where we saw the deer & dogs, we went back the way we came in on the other side of the hill. About 50-100 yards on the trail back we found the dogs prints in the snow & they decided to track our scent & decided to turn away when the got 50-100 yards from us. Kind of scary actually. Makes you wonder what could of happened.
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I think for the most part, people say "the dog has the taste of blood" meaning "the dog has taste of hunting or chasing prey".
People get so hung up on terminology that slang words are being picked apart.
Because of that phrase that is what people think. They think if you give a dog raw food they will "get the taste of blood" and become killers.
That phrase is not a modern phrase anymore so what it might have meant is not what it means to most people today. I have had quite a few people ask me and some actually TELL me that my dogs will become bloodthirsty. ::)
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Because of that phrase that is what people think. They think if you give a dog raw food they will "get the taste of blood" and become killers.
That phrase is not a modern phrase anymore so what it might have meant is not what it means to most people today. I have had quite a few people ask me and some actually TELL me that my dogs will become bloodthirsty. ::)
Yeah, people do believe that, which is why when Knny said it I took it the exact same way you did.
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I believe it's just as modern as a word as "raw food diet".
Not everyone (including myself) am not a walking dictionary. But, I'm also not afraid to ask "what does that mean or is that a word or what is the definition of that word?" instead of saying "bullshit...there's no such word or thats not what it means".
There's only one bible...but how many people read it with different interpretations?
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Why would you ask what someone means when they say "once they taste blood they will want more" ? Seems pretty straight forward, no reason to ask for a definition.
Since a lot of people seem to take that statement to mean what it says, maybe the person who is saying it should explain that they really don't mean what they are saying, it means something different.
Here is what you said:
Well, coming from a farm area....once a dog gets the taste of blood or a chase....it's really hard to break.
and then you said:
I think for the most part, people say "the dog has the taste of blood" meaning "the dog has taste of hunting or chasing prey".
so in your first statement you actually were repeating yourself? Once a dog gets the taste of hunting or chasing prey or a chase"
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it's not that serious knny, get over it. :)
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Because of that phrase that is what people think. They think if you give a dog raw food they will "get the taste of blood" and become killers.
That phrase is not a modern phrase anymore so what it might have meant is not what it means to most people today. I have had quite a few people ask me and some actually TELL me that my dogs will become bloodthirsty. ::)
Great Danes, huge as they are are potentially dangerous dogs.
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Great Danes, huge as they are are potentially dangerous dogs.
Any dog is potentially dangerous. But feeding them raw meat and bones hasn't made them "bloodthirsty".
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Why would you ask what someone means when they say "once they taste blood they will want more" ? Seems pretty straight forward, no reason to ask for a definition.
Since a lot of people seem to take that statement to mean what it says, maybe the person who is saying it should explain that they really don't mean what they are saying, it means something different.
Here is what you said:
and then you said:
so in your first statement you actually were repeating yourself? Once a dog gets the taste of hunting or chasing prey or a chase"
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it's not that serious knny, get over it. :)
problem is....
you are the only person on this board (I can think of) that argues everyone on terminology.
You take things 'litterly' & cannot accept when someone uses slang because in your own mind....it doesn't compute.
& if someone repeats themself...so what? You seem to do it just fine.
From the idioms free dictionary:
taste blood
to achieve a small victory, which makes you want or expect an even greater one. I could taste blood after the first day of the trial and I knew we would win in the end.
Now place that in a dog's world chasing deer or livestock. I think it does apply.
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Any dog is potentially dangerous. But feeding them raw meat and bones hasn't made them "bloodthirsty".
I believe going thorugh this thread....the only person mentioning raw meat & bones diet in the same sentence of bloodthirsty is...
you
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WTF is your problem knny? I have had people tell me if you feed a dog raw meat it will become bloodthirsty and will attack other animals.
temper said he thought that was what it meant too, a lot of people think that is what it means. "You can't give them raw meat, it'll make them viscious"
we were not arguing terminology with you because we thought that we knew what it meant, the same as a lot of other people think that that is what it means.
go ask people what they think it means if you say "once a dog gets a taste of blood he'll want blood" and see what responses you get. I bet the majority of them will take it literally.
you took a reply as personal against you. So me and the majority of the people misunderstand that phrase if it's used, you've now corrected us, what exactly is your problem?
the next time some other misinformed person tells me they have heard dogs will get bloodthirsty if they eat raw meat I can now explain that that is not what that means, so thank you for allowing me to be able to pass that knowledge on.
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would you put it to sleep?
yes with a shotgun to the forehead
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gee knny, seems ALOT of people take that phrase literally, sample from google, google dog taste for blood and see what people take that to mean:
http://www.dogquotes.com/dogsuperstitions.htm
Dogs will continue to kill because they have a taste for blood as a result of previous attacks.
you must have a bug up your ass knny to get like this over something so stupid, which turns out you are wrong about and shouldn't of gotten your panties in a tizzy over, because who fricken cared except for you?
no one, until you made it so I did care because it was funny to see you back pedaling over nothing and making it into something ;D
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after reading this thread I agree with Knny and vet.......
flower sure likes to argue dos'nt she !
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after reading this thread I agree with Knny and vet.......
flower sure likes to argue dos'nt she !
;D lol @ geo trying to stir the pot ! ! ;D
for geo ;):
I guess some insecure people would think that telling them how something was said to them had a different meaning is arguing. I guess telling them that some people do take a phrase literally is something to get worked up over. And I guess that seeing how nowadays people don't grow up on or around a farm that they could see how something could be misinterpreted from how it sounds especially when it has taken on a different meaning from it's supposed original meaning.
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I'm just happy to now be able to set people straight when the next person tells me if you give a dog raw meat and they taste blood they will start attacking other animals because they've had the taste of blood now. I can now tell them that that stems from the prey drive and the hunt, and I don't feed them live meals so no hunt or prey drive is involved so we are all safe. ;D
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;D Lil @ geo trying to stir the pot ! ! ;D
for geo ;):
I guess some insecure people would think that telling them how something was said to them had a different meaning is arguing. I guess telling them that some people do take a phrase literally is something to get worked up over. And I guess that seeing how nowadays people don't grow up on or around a farm that they could see how something could be misinterpreted from how it sounds especially when it has taken on a different meaning from it's supposed original meaning.
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I'm just happy to now be able to set people straight when the next person tells me if you give a dog raw meat and they taste blood they will start attacking other animals because they've had the taste of blood now. I can now tell them that that stems from the prey drive and the hunt, and I don't feed them live meals so no hunt or prey drive is involved so we are all safe. ;D
And when someone says the term "jump the shark" it doesn't mean to litterly jump a tank full of sharks...unless you really want to
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And when someone says the term "jump the shark" it doesn't mean to litterly jump a tank full of sharks...unless you really want to
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all you had to do knny was explain how non-country people have misconstrued that saying for years. Somehow you took the fact that a lot of people don't know the "true" meaning of that saying as a personal affront to you. I don't know why it should bother you that people do take it literally and probably people will continue to take it literally as I have personally witnessed by people saying to me "I've heard if you give a dog raw meat he will 'get the taste of blood' and become vicious towards other animals." If I had know relaying what some people think was going to upset you so much I wouldn't of said it.
I personally am glad to know what that phrase's original meaning was, but I could have done without your drama which was pretty ridiculous.
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all you had to do knny was explain how non-country people have misconstrued that saying for years. Somehow you took the fact that a lot of people don't know the "true" meaning of that saying as a personal affront to you. I don't know why it should bother you that people do take it literally and probably people will continue to take it literally as I have personally witnessed by people saying to me "I've heard if you give a dog raw meat he will 'get the taste of blood' and become vicious towards other animals." If I had know relaying what some people think was going to upset you so much I wouldn't of said it.
I personally am glad to know what that phrase's original meaning was, but I could have done without your drama which was pretty ridiculous.
drama?
what drama?
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And when someone says the term "jump the shark" it doesn't mean to litterly jump a tank full of sharks...unless you really want to
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I've done that. They were catsharks, but dammit, they were sharks. ;) ;D
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I hate to agree with flower, but as I said I took the comment just as she did. People really do believe if a dog gets a taste of blood it'll transform them into wild dogs or wolves or something.
I dunno why everyone is arguing over this, who gives a shit. Kiss and make up.
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I hate to agree with flower, but as I said I took the comment just as she did. People really do believe if a dog gets a taste of blood it'll transform them into wild dogs or wolves or something.
I dunno why everyone is arguing over this, who gives a shit. Kiss and make up.
I dont argue
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If my dog ran after livestock I would keep my dog away from it. I couldn't see myself killing my dog because of something like that.
I feel the same way. I don't think they need to be killed, sounds terrible. I'm not a farm person but really think this extreme action is unnecessary.
I have to say people on the farm seem to revel and glorify this "its tough life on the farm" attitude and carry it way to far. Fucked up move by a parent to traumatize a youngster by killing the family dog. This macho BS "I gotta do this its for the best" and killing a pet is silly and outdated. Someone has read too many Life On The Prairie books.