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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Pollux on February 17, 2008, 05:34:53 AM
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So I open up my "Arnie Vault", and begin flipping through some back issues and I come across a picture that appears to be the infamous roly-poly himself, Vince Basile.
Vince, if this in fact is you, enlighten us with your purple reply...
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_0996.jpg)
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whos the retard on the left?
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whos the retard on the left?
haha
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whos the retard on the left?
Is there something, Mars?
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*bump*
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Vince dwarfing Arnold there.
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Monster shoulder width on guy on the left. Dude needs to pick up some weights.
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Vince appears to be cooking up the anecdote of the century in that picture.
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Vince is never gonna shut up about this...not that he ever does about anything anyway.
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It is Vince Basile.
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You gotta hand it to the guy.....how many people can claim to be in a photo like that?
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You gotta hand it to the guy.....how many people can claim to be in a photo like that?
that was like 70 years ago though.
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that was like 70 years ago though.
Maybe....but 70 years from now neither one of us will likely have something like that to brag about...
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It's summer right now in Australia, Vince is busy sunning instead of posting.
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A great pic.
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(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_0996.jpg)
I bet they're talking about fat chicks.
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It is Vince Basile.
I was thinking it was. Just wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth.
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I don't remember that photo. After the 1980 Mr Olympia, Paul Graham had a Harbour Cruise organized for all the contestants, officials and guests. The guys who had sour grapes like Zane, Mentzer, and Coe didn't come along. I got to meet Joe Weider and I told him I took hundreds of photos of the contest. He told me to send him my contact sheets but I wasn't interested in being published in any of his magazines. I made a joke about Reynolds when I said out loud, that if I sent those photos and Reynolds didn't use them then he was fired! Bill had a PhD but seemed to be treated like a busboy around Woodland Hills. He even complained that Joe always confused him with another Bill who worked for him! So much for being the editor of Muscle Builder or whatever it was called then.
Casey Viator called me kid! It was 10 years after we both won national contests. It was a great time and everyone who came on board had a good time. Arnold was his jovial self and perhaps quite relieved to finally be able to retire after winning this contest.
Franco Columbu gave a seminar at my Sydney gym the next day and Arnold tagged along. They were very interested in Bev Francis and actually took her for a short ride around the area. Bev said they asked her a bunch of questions and if she used steroids. Bev got a huge response from the audience at the Opera House when she posed. Only local hero Roger Walker who came 6th and Arnold who won equalled the applause that Bev received. To put what happened in perspective, they had a gal from America pose and when Bev posed everyone was amazed. I helped prepare Bev by working on a posing routine. She and everyone else were a bit apprehensive about what kind of reception she would receive. Well, the audience went wild because there was Bev at about 180 looking huge and strong but graceful in her bikini. Heck, that was almost the first time she ever wore a bikini and had to have one specially made up for her. Even Arnold came to the side of the stage to watch Bev pose. It was possibly the highlight of the evening.
The low point was when Paul Graham said there was no time to present me with the Best Support Gym for selling 200 tickets to the show. The contest was controversial and afterwards an organization was formed to run contests properly. The huge trophy I picked up was eventually re-engraved and delivered to Chris Dickerson in America. The trophy read, "To Chris Dickerson, Mr Olympia 1980, from the bodybuilders of Australia." I personally felt Arnold deserved his win. I had the advantage of sitting in the middle of the audience at the right level to photograph them. When I looked at the 360 images from the judging and many more from the finals it was clear to me that Arnold was bigger in the upper body than anyone else and still had great calves. His thighs were a bit down but the overall package still impressed. Especially when he was compared with the smaller guys who came 2nd and 3rd, namely Chris and Frank Zane.
I use navy font as Melvin Goodrum complained about the purple!
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I don't remember that photo. After the 1980 Mr Olympia, Paul Graham had a Harbour Cruise organized for all the contestants, officials and guests. The guys who had sour grapes like Zane, Mentzer, and Coe didn't come along. I got to meet Joe Weider and I told him I took hundreds of photos of the contest. He told me to send him my contact sheets but I wasn't interested in being published in any of his magazines. I made a joke about Reynolds when I said out loud, that if I sent those photos and Reynolds didn't use them then he was fired! Bill had a PhD but seemed to be treated like a busboy around Woodland Hills. He even complained that Joe always confused him with another Bill who worked for him! So much for being the editor of Muscle Builder or whatever it was called then.
Casey Viator called me kid! It was 10 years after we both won national contests. It was a great time and everyone who came on board had a good time. Arnold was his jovial self and perhaps quite relieved to finally be able to retire after winning this contest.
Franco Columbu gave a seminar at my Sydney gym the next day and Arnold tagged along. They were very interested in Bev Francis and actually took her for a short ride around the area. Bev said they asked her a bunch of questions and if she used steroids. Bev got a huge response from the audience at the Opera House when she posed. Only local hero Roger Walker who came 6th and Arnold who won equalled the applause that Bev received. To put what happened in perspective, they had a gal from America pose and when Bev posed everyone was amazed. I helped prepare Bev by working on a posing routine. She and everyone else were a bit apprehensive about what kind of reception she would receive. Well, the audience went wild because there was Bev at about 180 looking huge and strong but graceful in her bikini. Heck, that was almost the first time she ever wore a bikini and had to have one specially made up for her. Even Arnold came to the side of the stage to watch Bev pose. It was possibly the highlight of the evening.
The low point was when Paul Graham said there was no time to present me with the Best Support Gym for selling 200 tickets to the show. The contest was controversial and afterwards an organization was formed to run contests properly. The huge trophy I picked up was eventually re-engraved and delivered to Chris Dickerson in America. The trophy read, "To Chris Dickerson, Mr Olympia 1980, from the bodybuilders of Australia." I personally felt Arnold deserved his win. I had the advantage of sitting in the middle of the audience at the right level to photograph them. When I looked at the 360 images from the judging and many more from the finals it was clear to me that Arnold was bigger in the upper body than anyone else and still had great calves. His thighs were a bit down but the overall package still impressed. Especially when he was compared with the smaller guys who came 2nd and 3rd, namely Chris and Frank Zane.
I use navy font as Melvin Goodrum complained about the purple!
can't you just say "Yes, it is me in the pic".
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Vince basile has motivated me to buy a better quality kamera. thank you mr canada! can you scan the pics you took of the olympia?
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Told you Vince was cooking up the ultimate anecdote :) Over 25 years in the making :)
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Damn, awesome story - thanks for that!
I don't remember that photo. After the 1980 Mr Olympia, Paul Graham had a Harbour Cruise organized for all the contestants, officials and guests. The guys who had sour grapes like Zane, Mentzer, and Coe didn't come along. I got to meet Joe Weider and I told him I took hundreds of photos of the contest. He told me to send him my contact sheets but I wasn't interested in being published in any of his magazines. I made a joke about Reynolds when I said out loud, that if I sent those photos and Reynolds didn't use them then he was fired! Bill had a PhD but seemed to be treated like a busboy around Woodland Hills. He even complained that Joe always confused him with another Bill who worked for him! So much for being the editor of Muscle Builder or whatever it was called then.
Casey Viator called me kid! It was 10 years after we both won national contests. It was a great time and everyone who came on board had a good time. Arnold was his jovial self and perhaps quite relieved to finally be able to retire after winning this contest.
Franco Columbu gave a seminar at my Sydney gym the next day and Arnold tagged along. They were very interested in Bev Francis and actually took her for a short ride around the area. Bev said they asked her a bunch of questions and if she used steroids. Bev got a huge response from the audience at the Opera House when she posed. Only local hero Roger Walker who came 6th and Arnold who won equalled the applause that Bev received. To put what happened in perspective, they had a gal from America pose and when Bev posed everyone was amazed. I helped prepare Bev by working on a posing routine. She and everyone else were a bit apprehensive about what kind of reception she would receive. Well, the audience went wild because there was Bev at about 180 looking huge and strong but graceful in her bikini. Heck, that was almost the first time she ever wore a bikini and had to have one specially made up for her. Even Arnold came to the side of the stage to watch Bev pose. It was possibly the highlight of the evening.
The low point was when Paul Graham said there was no time to present me with the Best Support Gym for selling 200 tickets to the show. The contest was controversial and afterwards an organization was formed to run contests properly. The huge trophy I picked up was eventually re-engraved and delivered to Chris Dickerson in America. The trophy read, "To Chris Dickerson, Mr Olympia 1980, from the bodybuilders of Australia." I personally felt Arnold deserved his win. I had the advantage of sitting in the middle of the audience at the right level to photograph them. When I looked at the 360 images from the judging and many more from the finals it was clear to me that Arnold was bigger in the upper body than anyone else and still had great calves. His thighs were a bit down but the overall package still impressed. Especially when he was compared with the smaller guys who came 2nd and 3rd, namely Chris and Frank Zane.
I use navy font as Melvin Goodrum complained about the purple!
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Some photos of the Olympia. I sold my negatives and slides to Robert Nailon. At the time it seemed sensible but I regret it now. I still have access to those photos but don't have any myself.
Here is a link to some that others took of the judging. http://ironage.us/images/random/80/komich.html
Here is the famous cover I took of Mike from the 80 Olympia. No wonder so many believed he was the winner.
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can't you just say "Yes, it is me in the pic".
You are a funny guy ;D
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It is Vince Basile Karl Malden.
This shot was taken somewhere on The Streets of San Fransisco. Deadlift baby.
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That is not vince goodrum because vince is black.
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Some photos of the Olympia. I sold my negatives and slides to Robert Nailon. At the time it seemed sensible but I regret it now. I still have access to those photos but don't have any myself.
Here is a link to some that others took of the judging. http://ironage.us/images/random/80/komich.html
Here is the famous cover I took of Mike from the 80 Olympia. No wonder so many believed he was the winner.
how much did you sell them for?
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Poor Vince. One day he is living it up with Arnold, the next he is arguing with Goodrum and defending fatties online.
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Vince, is it true that Arnold refused/failed to do some of the mandatory poses, and that is why CBS(or ABC) sports refused to televise the show?
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I didn't have a clue about who to send my photos to so I asked Robert Nailon what to do. Since I took so many photos and slides it was going to be a hassle sending different photos to the various magazines. I selected Ironman, MuscleMag and a German magazine recommended by Robert. He said not to worry but send everyone the same photos. Bob Kennedy still won't speak to me because he had a cover already to go and saw that Ironman used the same photo. I didn't get much and because I was naive I ended up rather embarrassed so sold them all to Robert for $1000. He was going to do a book or something but never did. I used to smile when I saw my photos over the years with Robert getting the credit. He and I had a contest at the Olympia to see who could take the best photos. He roamed around on the stage while I had preselected a seat in the middle of the Opera House at trunk level to the competitors. Simply the best place to take photos of bodybuilders on stage because there is virtually no distortion. I had a telephoto lens mounted on a tripod. I was 'silly' enough to get a gym member to swap seats with John Balik for the finals. The guy jumped at the chance since he got to sit at the front. John recorded some of the best images of the finals when my camera jammed just before Arnold posed. What a bummer. Kennedy didn't pay me much and the German magazine didn't pay me a cent! Peary Rader of Ironman was the only decent guy to deal with.
Photographers are paid peanuts for photos by the magazines. I haven't been interested in this kind of photography since. I would rather shoot beaches or even flowers.
Arnold was at my gym twice and at my penthouse apartment for dinner in 1974. However, I have never hung out with him.
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Vince, tell us some stories about Arnold and the ladies.
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Arnold was making a movie called The Comeback and a crew was there to record it. Apparently they didn't include the booing after Arnold was announced the winner. That booing turned into cheers but it was embarrassing to Arnold to hear that.
Arnold didn't refuse to do any compulsory poses. What he did was do biceps poses while doing the triceps pose. (I captured Arnold doing that.) That was cheating of a sort but he was not penalized by Oscar State for doing so. Arnold had friends and associates judging him. Bill Pearl stepped down from judging because he helped Chris Dickerson. Brendan Ryan, a junior winner, was selected to judge for Australia because multi-Mr Australia Peter McCarthy missed the judges' meeting. That was odd because I was standing with Pete and Frank Burwash and there was no notification of the meeting. Since Peter was late he was used as an alternate. Ironically, had they used Peter's scores instead of Brendan's then Chris would have won. Brendan was a personal mate of Arnold and had stayed with Arnold in LA before the contest.
I have the judges sheets somewhere so will publish them when I find them. It makes an interesting read to see what happened.
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It is 4 am in Sydney so I will catch up with more stuff later.
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this photo was taken by Vince. i scanned it from an old muscleworld.
rik
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whos the retard on the left?
rofl
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I have the judges sheets somewhere so will publish them when I find them. It makes an interesting read to see what happened.
Me too. If you don't post 'em by the time I get around to them, I will.
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I don't remember that photo.
OK...so now that you see it, does the "moment" ring a bell? ???
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Someone was taking photos on the Harbour Cruise after the contest. I remember talking to Arnold but don't recall seeing the photo before. Arnold has visited my gym at West Ryde twice and my penthouse apartment once. I recall telling him I didn't think he would be a big movie star! He told me he loves when people do that because it motivates him to try harder. He achieved so much more than anyone would have predicted. He was pretty good with the ladies, too. That is another story best left on Ironage.
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whos the retard on the left?
LMAO
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Hi Vince,
I think your stories are great, but seriously no need to keep trashing Paul Graham, most BBers in OZ know what he's like and agree with you, keep to the positive stuff. I live close to Coogee but i travel over twice as far to train at F--king Fitness First in Bondi Jn. (ok it's not that bad just typical corporate bullshit). I would have to be very desperate to train at his gym.
Where is your gym in West Ryde? I only know Chatnam street where the Mitre 10 is.
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Yeah, nothing like preaching to the knowledgeable!
Not sure I can be positive about the gyms Paul has owned. Let us hope that Paul Jr does a better job.
Fitness First have good gyms with heaps of Sheilas. That usually compensates for the lack of a proper atmosphere for training heavy. What about Al's Gym in Bondi Jct?
We moved V&R Fitness to Nancarrow Avenue in Meadowbank back in 2001. Big gym, air con, free wts section, boxing room, stretch room, aerobics room and cardio room. Most people tell us we have the best gym they have seen in Australia. Without a doubt we are the best equipped of any that I have seen. Too many gym owners are too cheap to install the best equipment. I made most of our resistance machines except we have a big line of Nautilus machines.
If you want a free workout then PM me and introduce yourself. I am not at my gym much so you would have to make an arrangement to meet me there. That is, if you are interested.
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Your still a douche
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Hi Vince,
I think your stories are great, but seriously no need to keep trashing Paul Graham, most BBers in OZ know what he's like and agree with you, keep to the positive stuff.
Actually it's not a bad thing to get that out since the rest of the world outside of your narrow purview isn't aware of alot of his hijinks re: gyms and contest decisions that are still discussed.
Besides which, let's get it straight it's not trashing if true.
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Vince i know you say you like big fat women, but from the look of this picture with Arnold, it looks like you like big fat cock...
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Vince i know you say you like big fat women, but from the look of this picture with Arnold, it looks like you like big fat cock...
brutal jealousy.
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brutal jealousy.
Masataki-San, Konbanwa!
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Masataki-San, Konbanwa!
why aren't you in bed? :( :( :(
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why aren't you in bed? :( :( :(
Weil er ein an Schlaflosigkeit Leidender ist. Birthday Junge braucht einige Sleeping Pillen.
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He's a Stillnox sleep-poster.
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Weil er ein an Schlaflosigkeit Leidender ist. Birthday Junge braucht einige Sleeping Pillen.
Why don't you just creep back into your hole and stare at the wall?
It was a rethorical question.
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Why don't you just creep back into your hole and stare at the wall?
It was a rethorical question.
Und ich war ernst?
Welche Sachen ist:
Sie verstanden, was ich sagte. ;D
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Und ich war ernst?
Welche Sachen ist:
Sie verstanden, was ich sagte. ;D
Your google gibberish can be guessed at best. ::)
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Your google gibberish can be guessed at best. ::)
haha, you said it ;D
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haha, you said it ;D
is there something, haidar? ::)
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Some photos of the Olympia. I sold my negatives and slides to Robert Nailon. At the time it seemed sensible but I regret it now. I still have access to those photos but don't have any myself.
Here is a link to some that others took of the judging. http://ironage.us/images/random/80/komich.html
Here is the famous cover I took of Mike from the 80 Olympia. No wonder so many believed he was the winner.
Very good pic.
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brutal jealousy.
jealous of Vince standing next to the 2nd coming of Hitler??????....
Yeah maybe your right ;)
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Arnold was at my gym twice and at my penthouse apartment for dinner in 1974. However, I have never hung out with him.[/color]
You couldn't have just said "apartment?" I love how people writing these made up stories online have to add "details" like this. No one ever says, "He hung out with me at my penthouse apartment." You'd just say, "yeah, he hung out at my apartment."
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Arnold was at your "penthouse" for dinner, but you never hung out with him? OK? ???
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from the Penthouse to the Warehouse
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Arnold was at your "penthouse" for dinner, but you never hung out with him? OK? ???
Actually, I think that is pretty decent to admit. Normally, when someone stands in the same room as a celeb, they tell their friends they "hung" out with him.
Perhaps by literal sense it might be true he "hung" out but clearly he and arnold were not atall friends.
IE, if onlyme were talking, him and arnold would have been "good friends" by virtue of being close to each other on a few times :)
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Actually, I think that is pretty decent to admit. Normally, when someone stands in the same room as a celeb, they tell their friends they "hung" out with him.
Perhaps by literal sense it might be true he "hung" out but clearly he and arnold were not atall friends.
IE, if onlyme were talking, him and arnold would have been "good friends" by virtue of being close to each other on a few times :)
Again trying to put words in my mouth to make yourself look like you know what you are talking about. ::) Love it.
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Actually, I think that is pretty decent to admit. Normally, when someone stands in the same room as a celeb, they tell their friends they "hung" out with him.
Perhaps by literal sense it might be true he "hung" out but clearly he and arnold were not atall friends.
IE, if onlyme were talking, him and arnold would have been "good friends" by virtue of being close to each other on a few times :)
I get what you're saying, but it doesn't make any sense. Vince was saying how Arnold came to his home to have dinner under his roof.
If I invited someone to my house, whether it be for dinner or not, I just assume that we are "hanging out". That's why I don't get what Vince was saying about how Arnold came to his home for dinner, but didn't hang out.
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Again trying to put words in my mouth to make yourself look like you know what you are talking about. ::) Love it.
Damn...chill, "Hollywood Star"! :D
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I get what you're saying, but it doesn't make any sense. Vince was saying how Arnold came to his home to have dinner under his roof.
If I invited someone to my house, whether it be for dinner or not, I just assume that we are "hanging out". That's why I don't get what Vince was saying about how Arnold came to his home for dinner, but didn't hang out.
maybe Vince wasn't allowed to attend the dinner?
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Arnold was invited to do a seminar and posing display at my gym back in 1974. It was the first 'seminar' Arnold did in Australia that I know of. He then went to Tony's Gym to do a posing display there and that is where that great shot of Arnold was taken by Robert Nailon. After that the entourage were invited to come to our place for dinner and a get-together. We served everyone who came T-bone steaks. Arnold talked to us and that is when I asked him questions about being prejudiced and he said all the black bodybuilders I mentioned were pigs. I accused him of being prejudiced but he quipped that he just didn't like any of those guys! He thanked me for telling him he would never be a great movie star because such comments motivated him to try harder. Arnold disappeared for a while and was found in a bedroom. Another story told before on Ironage.
I met Arnold in October 1968 at Golds Gym. I've seen him in the dressing room and he let me measure his arms and around his shoulders. 21 1/2 and about 62 inches. He said to come back in two weeks to measure his calves. I took a photo of him outside Golds and that was published in MTI. I talked to him at the Venice Beach once and we talked in Honolulu. I met him several times when he visited Australia. I actually interviewed him in the seminar and asked several personal questions, too. Robert Nailon drove him around and looked after his needs. Robert was always getting photos taken with the champs so I vowed not to duplicate that stuff so never did get a photo shaking hands with Arnold. We didn't take any photos when he visited my place. There were several taken when he posed in 1974 and also when he accompanied Franco the day after the 80 Olympia when Franco gave a seminar. These guys have obviously not attended graduate school because their version of a seminar was questions and answers. The lads at my gym were very impressed with Arnold. So were most of the guys who met him. He was the epitome of a successful he-man. My former wife wasn't so impressed because Arnold never thanked her for the dinner. Neither did he remember my name when we were in Honolulu in Jan 1969. Dave Draper remembered me and Roz was more impressed with Dave as a gentleman.
So I never hung out with Arnold but I knew him and spoke to him. He might even remember my laugh! Robert and I always joke about the way I laugh. He he he, he. Not possible to describe it in print.
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Isn't it interesting that no one has challenged any of the things I have written about? I have a good memory and what I write is my recollection of events.
I lived on the 15th floor of an apartment at Queenscliff right across the street from the beach. It is common in Australia to refer to the top apartments as penthouses. That apartment I sold long ago but it is now valued at A$2.5 Million.
The guys from the old days are hardly going to show up on Getbig to get tarred and feathered by Goatboy and his foot soldiers!
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Isn't it interesting that no one has challenged any of the things I have written about? I have a good memory and what I write is my recollection of events.
I lived on the 15th floor of an apartment at Queenscliff right across the street from the beach. It is common in Australia to refer to the top apartments as penthouses. That apartment I sold long ago but it is now valued at A$2.5 Million.
The guys from the old days are hardly going to show up on Getbig to get tarred and feathered by Goatboy and his foot soldiers!
Thanks for the stories.
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Again trying to put words in my mouth to make yourself look like you know what you are talking about. ::) Love it.
Calm down Keith, I think it was clear that I was exaggerating for creative effect.
I get what you're saying, but it doesn't make any sense. Vince was saying how Arnold came to his home to have dinner under his roof.
If I invited someone to my house, whether it be for dinner or not, I just assume that we are "hanging out". That's why I don't get what Vince was saying about how Arnold came to his home for dinner, but didn't hang out.
Debate of what "hang" constitutes, I think Vince's dislike for Arnold disallows him from making even a basic admission such as that :) I guess if a person I did not like came to my house, even if they had dinner, I would not count that as hanging.
Isn't it interesting that no one has challenged any of the things I have written about? I have a good memory and what I write is my recollection of events.
I lived on the 15th floor of an apartment at Queenscliff right across the street from the beach. It is common in Australia to refer to the top apartments as penthouses. That apartment I sold long ago but it is now valued at A$2.5 Million.
The guys from the old days are hardly going to show up on Getbig to get tarred and feathered by Goatboy and his foot soldiers!
Bit hard to challenge you when you're pictured standing next to the guy that people worship as a modern day hero.
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Debate of what "hang" constitutes, I think Vince's dislike for Arnold disallows him from making even a basic admission such as that :) I guess if a person I did not like came to my house, even if they had dinner, I would not count that as hanging.
True. Touché! :D
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Listen, Rocket, have you ever owned a gym? Paul called us in 1974 and asked if we wanted to put on a seminar with Arnold. The problem was he was already in Australia and we had only a couple of days to advertise the event. We accepted but lost money on the seminar. It was still a good promotion to have had him there.
If I had invited Arnold by himself back then that would have been hanging out. However, Paul and the entourage came along as well as other invited guests. Arnold was a celebrity even in those days.
Nailon hanged out with Arnold as they did things together and so on. What is so hard to understand about this. I resent what Arnold did at the Mr Australia by fixing a contest. If you have ever had anyone do that to you then maybe you would understand. Other than that I don't dislike him or have hard feelings. You guys obviously read more into things than was there. The lesson here is posting stuff on the internet is mostly a waste of time.
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Listen, Rocket, have you ever owned a gym? Paul called us in 1974 and asked if we wanted to put on a seminar with Arnold. The problem was he was already in Australia and we had only a couple of days to advertise the event. We accepted but lost money on the seminar. It was still a good promotion to have had him there.
If I had invited Arnold by himself back then that would have been hanging out. However, Paul and the entourage came along as well as other invited guests. Arnold was a celebrity even in those days.
Nailon hanged out with Arnold as they did things together and so on. What is so hard to understand about this. I resent what Arnold did at the Mr Australia by fixing a contest. If you have ever had anyone do that to you then maybe you would understand. Other than that I don't dislike him or have hard feelings. You guys obviously read more into things than was there. The lesson here is posting stuff on the internet is mostly a waste of time.
You are absolutely right, this is mostly a waste of time. Thats why when I post I'm mostly using time to be wasted.
Anyway, I'm not sure what you're irritated about - neither pollux or myself is attacking you or thinking ill of you even if you did not like Arnold - your logic makes sense.
Besides, if I wanted to make fun of you, I would most definitely refer to the hideously irrelevant side comments you make (Have I owned a gym? I almost stopped reading, clearly the next words were not meant for me!) ;D