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Pretty dumb thing for Mrs. Obama to say.
Cindy McCain responds to Michelle Obama “proud” comments
by Mosheh Oinounou
Brookfield, WI — During her introduction of Sen. John McCain at a rally Tuesday, his wife Cindy injected herself into the controversy surrounding comments another 2008 spouse made yesterday.
“I am proud of my country. I don’t know about you? If you heard those words earlier, I am very proud of my country,” Mrs. McCain said while revving up the crowd and introducing her husband.
When asked at a media availability afterward if they were responding to Michelle Obama’s comments that this election was the “first time” she was “really proud” of the U.S., Sen. McCain deferred to his wife–who reiterated her previous words.
“I just wanted to make the statement that I have and always will be proud of my country,” McCain said.
Speaking in Wisconsin Monday, Michelle Obama caused a stir when she said, “for the first time in my adult lifetime I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/cindy-mccain-responds-to-michelle-obama-proud-comments/
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you can love your country, yet not be proud of the questionable shit we do.
are you proud of 100% everything we've done in the past? Of course not. Clinton bombed an aspirin factory and killed a lot of civilians. You proud of that? I'm not. But I love the USA.
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You don't have to be proud of everything your country does to be proud of your country. There will always be things you like and things you don't like. But the real issue is whether the wife of a man who wants to be president should be saying something like this and whether her husband shares her views. Not a smart thing to say IMO.
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You don't have to be proud of everything your country does to be proud of your country. There will always be things you like and things you don't like. But the real issue is whether the wife of a man who wants to be president should be saying something like this and whether her husband shares her views. Not a smart thing to say IMO.
i agree it wasn't smart. because the media will/is blowing it out of proportion.
If Obama becomes president and makes friends with our alienated allies while maintaining status quo in iraq (keeping bases and support tropps there, as he said he would, withdrawing only combat forces and letting iraqis do that themselves), then I'll be VERY PROUD of our country for electing him.
Am I proud of bush for deleting 4 million white house emails? No.
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Need to be reminded of why i should be proud of my country after knowing that we are a nation built on lies....
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Need to be reminded of why i should be proud of my country after knowing that we are a nation built on lies....
Here is a start:
The Constitution
Federal Civil Rights laws
Property Ownership
Welfare safety net
Millions . . . probably billions of humanitarian aid around the world
Government funded assistance for disabled people
Men and women risking their lives to serve the public (law enforcement, firefighters, armed forces)
Hundreds . . . probably thousands of nonprofit entities that serve people in need
Government funded education
An incredible transportation system
Unlimited opportunities for everyone, regardless of background
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Pretty dumb thing for Mrs. Obama to say.
Cindy McCain responds to Michelle Obama “proud” comments
by Mosheh Oinounou
Brookfield, WI — During her introduction of Sen. John McCain at a rally Tuesday, his wife Cindy injected herself into the controversy surrounding comments another 2008 spouse made yesterday.
“I am proud of my country. I don’t know about you? If you heard those words earlier, I am very proud of my country,” Mrs. McCain said while revving up the crowd and introducing her husband.
When asked at a media availability afterward if they were responding to Michelle Obama’s comments that this election was the “first time” she was “really proud” of the U.S., Sen. McCain deferred to his wife–who reiterated her previous words.
“I just wanted to make the statement that I have and always will be proud of my country,” McCain said.
Speaking in Wisconsin Monday, Michelle Obama caused a stir when she said, “for the first time in my adult lifetime I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/cindy-mccain-responds-to-michelle-obama-proud-comments/
My wife can't stand McCain's wife. She views her as a trophy wife b/c McCain left his first wife and married this one. My wife is really big on the sanctity of marriage.
And McCain's wife is 175 years younger than McCain to boot.
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Or u could move....try living overseas....I wasn't proud of Bill Clinton but he was the President and I never thought to undermine his authority or not be proud of this country.
As far as Obama's wife....maybe she should lighten up..she's two steps from the Lincoln bedroom...how many Western nations are close to electing a black man. um...none.
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I wasn't proud of Bill Clinton but he was the President and I never thought to undermine his authority or not be proud of this country.
Were you on active duty at the time?
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There have been many dark days during my lifetime when I haven't been proud of what we were doing.
As far as 'spin' is concerned, in her shoes, I would say that "the pride I feel now is far greater than any I've ever experienced in my adult life...it's reached a new height that I never knew before" and leave it at that.
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I want to hear about entitled drug addicts/thieves who "come clean" ..............only when it's clear that the DEA is going to bust their sorry asses. That's what I want to hear about. TYVM.
::) Why does this woman (sweet Cindy) have any credibility?
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Hahaha.....I can't believe this woman has the gumption to open her mouth in any public forum
Team Homewreckerz for Prezident!!!!
Also, http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/drugs/
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Were you on active duty at the time?
Yeah and I deployed to Bosnia and Kosovo...not thrilled but I wan't as mad at Bill as people are at Bush.
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Um I guess the fact the a possible First Lady has said she really hasn't been a proud American until her husband ran for president...I guess that factr escaped u. This will be a huge story..regardless of its merit...its pretty big. She said it twice from a prepared statement. Cindy made one short statement...no harm.....Michelle should have clarified...and she didn't.
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My wife can't stand McCain's wife. She views her as a trophy wife b/c McCain left his first wife and married this one. My wife is really big on the sanctity of marriage.
And McCain's wife is 175 years younger than McCain to boot.
I think this would be a problem for him if it was more recent (like Rudy).
But she does look like she could be his daughter. :-\
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I think this would be a problem for him if it was more recent (like Rudy).
But she does look like she could be his daughter. :-\
Once a guy admits to adultery, my wife brands him for life.
McCain's wife's eyes have no iris or pupils...she is not of this world.
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Once a guy admits to adultery, my wife brands him for life.
McCain's wife's eyes have no iris or pupils...she is not of this world.
Your wife sounds like a normal woman to me. :)
Hey maybe his wife is a Stepford wife? :) Did you see Stella's thread? http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=200489.0
If we start banning adulterers from public office the legislative halls will get awfully empty. We'd lose the mayor of SF, the mayor of Detroit, the mayor of L.A. . . . .
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Your wife sounds like a normal woman to me. :)
Hey maybe his wife is a Stepford wife? :) Did you see Stella's thread? http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=200489.0
If we start banning adulterers from public office the legislative halls will get awfully empty. We'd lose the mayor of SF, the mayor of Detroit, the mayor of L.A. . . . .
I remember we were watching a 20/20 or some show like that and this married couple divorced yet stayed friends when the man wanted to live as woman....this 'guy's' wife helped him convert or transform.
My wife said that was no excuse for leaving his wife just to go **** other guys. She's tough my wife.
Yeah, if the adulterers are banned our halls of Congress will be pretty empty...unless of course, they "did not have sexual relations with that woman!"
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I think we're past all this stuff....Europe has these things happen all the time. It bothers people but....
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Here is a start:
The Constitution - Constitution is being trampled on with the Patriot Act
Federal Civil Rights laws
Property Ownership - People are losing property left and right
Welfare safety net - More people on welfare now because of outsourcing
Millions . . . probably billions of humanitarian aid around the world - Billions of dollars only to fun dictatorships
Government funded assistance for disabled people - I can attest to this, and greatful for
Men and women risking their lives to serve the public (law enforcement, firefighters, armed forces) - I served in the navy, agree here...
Hundreds . . . probably thousands of nonprofit entities that serve people in need - This is true also because of good people in our country
Government funded education - Government shouldnt be involved in our education
An incredible transportation system - We have one of the worst transportation systems in the world for a civilized country
Unlimited opportunities for everyone, regardless of background - Tell that to the thousands of people losing their jobs to outsourcing...
read above comments....
I do not detest my country, i detest the rulers of the last hundred years that have corrupted our country...
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Things were better previous to 1900? I think we've come along way from killing Indians and slavery.
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Our government has gone from nationwide killing of indians and slavery to worldwide killing of innocents and enslaving whole populations of countries....Prime example is different countries of Africa....Putting whole populations of farmers out of work because of our humanitarian aid of selling rice....How can they afford the rice that we provide if they have no way of paying for it because they are in extreme poverty?
The money sent to these nations in humanitarian aid are used to fund the rich rulers....The rulers have an understanding with our govt to keep things as status quo....You really think that our govt gives them this money and they go oh gosh golly, i wish those guys would use the money we give them to help their people...Gosh golly, what we gonna do? I guess we just keep giving them more money in hopes they do the right thing....Oh, while we are at it lets provide them with a military to keep their populations in line over there....
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Our government has gone from nationwide killing of indians and slavery to worldwide killing of innocents and enslaving whole populations of countries....Prime example is different countries of Africa....Putting whole populations of farmers out of work because of our humanitarian aid of selling rice....How can they afford the rice that we provide if they have no way of paying for it because they are in extreme poverty?
The money sent to these nations in humanitarian aid are used to fund the rich rulers....The rulers have an understanding with our govt to keep things as status quo....You really think that our govt gives them this money and they go oh gosh golly, i wish those guys would use the money we give them to help their people...Gosh golly, what we gonna do? I guess we just keep giving them more money in hopes they do the right thing....Oh, while we are at it lets provide them with a military to keep their populations in line over there....
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I support cutting off all aid and reevaluating who gets what. The UN is a shambles and much more to blame the the US. But I'd point my finger first to Colonial Europe...they fucked over Africa far worse then we ever could. Bush was praised for his aid to africa....
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Regardless of your criticizms of Cindy's past behavior (which I fully agree with), Michelle's comment was still disturbing. It seems the country and opportunities have been and continues to be good to her and her husband. All of us have criticizms of our government and many of its policies but we still respect our country in general...for someone to say this is the first time in their life that they are proud of our country...that is very suspect, particularly for someone who very well could be our first lady.
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She finally qualified her remarks today. Had she done that immediatly then maybe this wouldn't be the story that it is. That said its almost gone so I guess it won't be any harm done.
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Regardless of your criticizms of Cindy's past behavior (which I fully agree with), Michelle's comment was still disturbing. It seems the country and opportunities have been and continues to be good to her and her husband. All of us have criticizms of our government and many of its policies but we still respect our country in general...for someone to say this is the first time in their life that they are proud of our country...that is very suspect, particularly for someone who very well could be our first lady.
Yes. Completely agree.
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Pretty dumb thing for Mrs. Obama to say.
Beach Bum,
was it dumb when McCain said it today?
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Or u could move....try living overseas....I wasn't proud of Bill Clinton but he was the President and I never thought to undermine his authority or not be proud of this country.
As far as Obama's wife....maybe she should lighten up..she's two steps from the Lincoln bedroom...how many Western nations are close to electing a black man. um...none.
Of course we are not close. We did that 30 years ago, and have one today. Plus women leaders. Old news. Small nation sure, but all our leaders, black/white/male/female have managed to make a income tax less nation, no debt issues, free healthcare and free college - 4 things almost no other nation can claim :)
Well, except for some of my neighbours - also run by all types as well. Plus there have been about 60 female presidents starting 50 years ago, while the American media acted like Hillary just running was some world novelty ::)
Beach Bum,
was it dumb when McCain said it today?
Haha, good bump 240 - i was looking as well.
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for someone to say this is the first time in their life that they are proud of our country...that is very suspect, particularly for someone who very well could be our first lady.
John you're my mate, so I want to wish you well and tell you stay calm ;D
If you found it suspect that a potential first lady said she is really proud of her nation for the first time, you must be doubly suspect that a potential President finds it hard to be proud of his country.
Michelle, first lady, now really proud | McCain, President, now finds it difficult to be proud
Wow ;D
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for someone to say this is the first time in their life that they are proud of our country...that is very suspect, particularly for someone who very well could be our first lady.
Shoot, do you feel very concerned about McCain now? He said just about the exact same thing as Michelle. She will be choosing drapes for the White House and maybe starting some literacy programs. He will be leading a nation of 310 million people.
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Shoot, do you feel very concerned about McCain now? He said just about the exact same thing as Michelle. She will be choosing drapes for the White House and maybe starting some literacy programs. He will be leading a nation of 310 million people.
Hmm, it's way worse as it is the candidate yes, but were the comments even the same?
I've heard most people here dismiss Cindy being a junkie, Laura offing someone. McCains racist slurs = as they were in the past.
Michelle's statement was she is really proud now, while at this same time McCain finds it difficult to be proud.
So Obama's wife is really proud now, while McCain himself finds it difficult to be proud now.
This must be FAR worse for those who had issue with Michelle ;D
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Michelle's statement was she is really proud now, while at this same time McCain finds it difficult to be proud.
So Obama's wife is really proud now, while McCain himself finds it difficult to be proud now.
This must be FAR worse for those who had issue with Michelle ;D
holy crap, you are right.
McCain isn't proud of his country today.
Unbelievable.
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Or u could move....try living overseas....I wasn't proud of Bill Clinton but he was the President and I never thought to undermine his authority or not be proud of this country.
As far as Obama's wife....maybe she should lighten up..she's two steps from the Lincoln bedroom...how many Western nations are close to electing a black man. um...none.
pssst: You're forgetting about Jamaica. They've elected many Black Men, ...they even had a Black Woman,
...but then again, ...those were Prime Ministers, ...not Presidents, ...so I guess it doesn't count. :P
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pssst: You're forgetting about Jamaica. They've elected many Black Men, ...they even had a Black Woman,
...but then again, ...those were Prime Ministers, ...not Presidents, ...so I guess it doesn't count. :P
Do not know of Prime Ministers powers...Are they much different then a power of a president, or what?
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Do not know of Prime Ministers powers...Are they much different then a power of a president, or what?
No, exact same thing most nations.
Indigenous Indians have also been President in at least 3 nations I am aware of. Some 60 odd nations have had female presidents/vice presidents. Nations have elected white leaders, when whites are the small minority. Homosexuals have been elected. Europe has a black Princess. The UN has had a black leader. No offense to any Americans, but world leaders of equality and minorities/females in power they are not, despite some delusional thoughts they are, carefully doing this dance of comparing themself to a few nations while forgetting many others - something I see occur alot. The US is decades behind many nations in this respect actually.
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Waiting on BB and Shoot's post's condemning McCain's lack of pride in the USA today. I'm all ears guys ;D
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You don't have to be proud of everything your country does to be proud of your country. There will always be things you like and things you don't like. But the real issue is whether the wife of a man who wants to be president should be saying something like this and whether her husband shares her views. Not a smart thing to say IMO.
Well...... Obama is a "Halfrican American" that means he only has to be half proud. :)
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As I have posted before, I'm not a big McCain fan. Where is the link or video of the comment? I'll check it out if I get a second at work.
Honestly, the last thing I'd doubt McCain on is his love for the country. All of his sons are in the military serving and same with him and his father. My problems with McCain are on the issues, gov spending, international military policy, Iraq, amnesty for illegals, etc.
Michelle said "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country". In the second speech, she injected the word 'really'. I just have a feeling that she harbors more negativity toward the country and its history than we are used to in our leaders.
CQ, I respect others that are intelligent and have other opinions, I have no problems with that and sometimes I learn from them :D Back at ya!
The people I have problems with are the hardline party followers on either side. Can't think for themselves.
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Well...... Obama is a "Halfrican American" that means he only has to be half proud. :)
lol. :)
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Beach Bum,
was it dumb when McCain said it today?
Bumping again for quote #2 from McCain.
Fox News interview with John McCain on March 13, 2008, in which McCain said, "I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company." link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/watch-mccain-didnt-love-a_n_108191.html)
So a wife is slammed as she said this is the first time she is really proud of her country, while the candidate himself makes 2 remarks in a similar context about not loving America and finding to hard to be proud at this time, and that's fine. Ok.
I find zero fault with McCains statements myself, like everything including Michelle's taken out of context can sound bad to some I guess. Just find the disparity of ppl's reactions to the similar remarks interesting :D
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Bumping again for quote #2 from McCain.
Fox News interview with John McCain on March 13, 2008, in which McCain said, "I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company." link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/watch-mccain-didnt-love-a_n_108191.html)
So a wife is slammed as she said this is the first time she is really proud of her country, while the candidate himself makes 2 remarks in a similar context about not loving America and finding to hard to be proud at this time, and that's fine. Ok.
I find zero fault with McCains statements myself, like everything including Michelle's taken out of context can sound bad to some I guess. Just find the disparity of ppl's reactions to the similar remarks interesting :D
Interesting?! Why CQ, ...what a diplomatic way of putting it.
I'm not the biggest diplomat, so I'll flat out say I find it pathetically indicative of the level of distractions being thrown at the public in order to prevent them from making an honest equal comparison of both candidates and what either one could mean for the country's future.