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Just announced on NBC's 'Meet the Press'.
He's selfish. He'll giftwrap Florida and the election for mcCain.
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Just announced on NBC's 'Meet the Press'.
He's selfish. He'll giftwrap Florida and the election for mcCain.
He'll stand a snowball chance in hell against Obama
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He'll stand a snowball chance in hell against Obama
Yes, that's a given.
The problem is that he'll take away 3% of the vote in a 2-to-1 Dem:Repub ratio.
Instead of winning 50.1% to 49.0% in Florida, Obama will likely lose 49% to 48%.
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I like Nader but what a fucking idiot. He should've announced this six months ago. Shit he might have actually made some ground & an impact. Oh well...can you say clusterfuck in November?
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Just announced on NBC's 'Meet the Press'.
He's selfish. He'll giftwrap Florida and the election for mcCain.
Which "Meet the Press"? Your post was at 10:07AM today.
NBC's "Meet the Press" doesn't air live until 10:30AM today on the East Coast.
??? ???
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I like Nader but what a fucking idiot. He should've announced this six months ago. Shit he might have actually made some ground & an impact. Oh well...can you say clusterfuck in November?
not only that, but Ron paul is planning some big march to Washington.
If Ron Paul and Bloomberg run on an independent ticket, it could be very messy. While it's great to see a 3 or 4 party election, it means the anti-war/anti-borrowing vote will be split, and the 25% that wants McCain (and his promised perpetual war for a century in Arabia) will be able to win the most votes.
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Which "Meet the Press"? Your post was at 10:07AM today.
NBC's "Meet the Press" doesn't air live until 10:30AM today on the East Coast.
??? ???
In NBC in my town, it plays at 10:00 AM
MSNBC added it to their home page www.msnbc.com at 10:03 EST this AM.
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Ralph Nader is 74 years old. McCain is 72.
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On a serious note. I'd love to see a real third or forth party develop.
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Just announced on NBC's 'Meet the Press'.
He's selfish. He'll giftwrap Florida and the election for mcCain.
obama has already gift wrapped florida for mccain himself.
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Spoiler?
Feb 24, 10:27 AM EST
Nader announces new run for president
By HOPE YEN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Ralph Nader said Sunday he will run for president as a third-party candidate, criticizing the top White House contenders as too close to big business and pledging to repeat a bid that will "shift the power from the few to the many."
Nader, 73, said most people are disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties due to a prolonged Iraq war and a shaky economy. The consumer advocate also blamed tax and other corporate-friendly policies under the Bush administration that he said have left many lower- and middle-class people in debt.
"You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out, marginalized and disrespected," he said. "You go from Iraq, to Palestine to Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bumbling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts."
"In that context, I have decided to run for president," Nader told NBC's "Meet the Press."
Nader also criticized Republican candidate John McCain and Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton for failing to support full Medicare for all or cracking down on Pentagon waste and a "bloated military budget. He blamed that on corporate lobbyists and special interests, which he said dominate Washington, D.C., and pledged in his third-party campaign to accept donations only from individuals.
"The issue is do they have the moral courage, do they have the fortitude to stand up to corporate powers and get things done for the American people," Nader said. "We have to shift the power from the few to the many."
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, speaking shortly before Nader's announcement, said Nader's past runs have shown that he usually pulls votes from the Democratic nominee. "So naturally, Republicans would welcome his entry into the race," the former Arkansas governor said on CNN.
Nader also ran as a third-party candidate in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. He is still loathed by many Democrats who call him a spoiler and claim his candidacy in 2000 cost the party the election by siphoning votes away from Al Gore in a razor-thin contest in Florida. Nader vociferously disputes the spoiler claim, saying only Democrats are to blame for losing the race to George W. Bush.
Though he won 2.7 percent of the national vote as the Green Party candidate in 2000, his percentage dropped to just 0.3 percent as an independent in 2004, when he appeared on the ballot in only 34 states.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NADER?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Great, can't this acutally cause a brokered convention and increase the odds for canidates trailing behind?
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Great, can't this acutally cause a brokered convention and increase the odds for canidates trailing behind?
i've said all along that Hilary will weasel her way into the VP seat at worst, come convention time. She isn't politically viable as pres for a run in 2012 or 2016 - it's now or never. She either gets on the ticket now, or she's a lifetime senator, IMO. To squander the frontrunner status, no one will put stock in her again, much less their $.
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why do these morons do this, the guy will get like 3% of the vote and screw things up for everyone else. someone needs to put a stop to this if you know what i mean.
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Good job guys...Nader can't see that an 80% solution is better then his 100%.
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Ron Paul should give the republican party his middle finger and run as an independent.
I think he'd surprise a lot of people.
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...the guy will get like 3% of the vote and screw things up for everyone else.
Yes.
When I read the headline, I immediately thought that the only thing his running means is that the losing party will cry that Nader stole votes from them and got the other party elected.
I would have rather seen Jesse Ventura announce he’s running.
Wonder if the reform party would back him this time?
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Ron Paul should give the republican party his middle finger and run as an independent.
I think he'd surprise a lot of people.
He already mentioned many times that he would'nt do that, I doubt he would change his mind on that.
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i've said all along that Hilary will weasel her way into the VP seat at worst, come convention time. She isn't politically viable as pres for a run in 2012 or 2016 - it's now or never. She either gets on the ticket now, or she's a lifetime senator, IMO. To squander the frontrunner status, no one will put stock in her again, much less their $.
hillary would definitly not run as a VP.
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hillary would definitly not run as a VP.
If Obama doesn't have the req'd # of delegates - and he will not - then a deal will be brokered at the convention. Elders from the party will help decide who gets on the ticket.
hilary will threaten to split the party if "her voters are disenfranchised" and the 40% of voters who chose her don't get her on the ticket. She'll get her way.
Then, watch her call in every favor clinton gave in 92-00... half those superdelegates worked for/with bill clinton, and they ARE ALLOWED to change their mind based upon new info or circumstances.
Finally, watch for an obama scandal to hit at just the right time lol... something fluff along the lines of the NYT/Mccain story. if that hits during the convention, hilary has 40% of votes and a lot of flipped delegates... ticket could be hers in either position.
Or, you can tell me you're betting against the clintons, who have won everything they've competed in, since day one.
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Nader is an idiot. He knows he can't win and uses the excuse that his candidacy brings up issues that otherwise wouldn't be aired. The only issues it airs is, "Why is that old, brainless, fart running again, and again, and again?" and "When the hell is he going to die and put us out of our misery."
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not only that, but Ron paul is planning some big march to Washington.
If Ron Paul and Bloomberg run on an independent ticket, it could be very messy. While it's great to see a 3 or 4 party election, it means the anti-war/anti-borrowing vote will be split, and the 25% that wants McCain (and his promised perpetual war for a century in Arabia) will be able to win the most votes.
Nader has been an effective public servant much longer than Ron Paul. If the democrats which, for the most part, supported Bush throughout much of his multiple legislative abominations can't beat McCain--hated by his own party--maybe it's time for a dissolution of the party. As many around here point out, Rs and Ds are shadowy reflections of each other.
Say what you will about Nader, but he is definitely not an R or a D.
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I know he means well, but I'm fucking sick of his ass giving the rupukes the whitehouse. shit shit shit...
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And he's sick of both parties....run nader run. It might matter if the current poles stay the same. I don't think so.
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And he's sick of both parties....run nader run. It might matter if the current poles stay the same. I don't think so.
Wouldn't mind an independant running, if he/she is competent and could fill the job well. Nader isn't that person and should stop entering the race.
I have to admit, though, I definitely agree with him on this issue: Impeach Bush/Cheney (see http://www.votenader.org/issues/ (http://www.votenader.org/issues/).
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I have to admit, though, I definitely agree with him on this issue: Impeach Bush/Cheney (see http://www.votenader.org/issues/ (http://www.votenader.org/issues/).
the minute you start impeachment, cheney retires and lets VP McCain fill in for the last 10 months of his tenure.
Do you want that?
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the minute you start impeachment, cheney retires and lets VP McCain fill in for the last 10 months of his tenure.
Do you want that?
Cheney can still be tried in an impeachment trial long after he's left office.
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Cheney can still be tried in an impeachment trial long after he's left office.
yeah, but he's moving to Dubai with Haliburton as a consultant.
And he'd be pardoned, I think that one would be an automatic.
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Cheney can still be tried in an impeachment trial long after he's left office.
How can he be impeached and removed from office after he has left office?
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That would be something.
The VP of the US--a republican--seeking asylum in an Arab state from his own country.
What politician would sacrifice his career and legacy to pardon that?
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That would be something.
The VP of the US--a republican--seeking asylum in an Arab state from his own country.
What politician would sacrifice his career and legacy to pardon that?
I wonder if they even care about their legacy. I seriously view this administration as a group of white collar criminals (actually not so white collar as they have a lot of blood on their hands).
They're here to steal and now that their time is running down I think they probably just want to get away.
Having said that - I seriously doubt that Bush/Cheney would ever permanantly relocate outside the US - if for no other reason that security issues.
But then who knows what the future will bring - they may feel compelled to flee the country at some point in the future.
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haliburton is moving HQ to Dubai at end of 2008.
They wrote cheney a $36 mil check in 1999 before he ran for VP, he made them billions as VP, and smart money is on him being a 'consultant' to them starting 2009. He was their CEO ya know!
Bush bought 100,000 acres of land in paraguay, and family hangs out there a lot now.
they're getting their $ and retiring someplace else.
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How can he be impeached and removed from office after he has left office?
"It is possible to impeach someone even after the accused has vacated their office in order to disqualify the person from future office or from certain emoluments of their prior office (such as a pension). If a two-thirds majority of the senators present does not vote "Guilty" on one or more of the charges, the defendant is acquitted and no punishment is imposed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment
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I wonder if they even care about their legacy. I seriously view this administration as a group of white collar criminals (actually not so white collar as they have a lot of blood on their hands).
They're here to steal and now that their time is running down I think they probably just want to get away.
Having said that - I seriously doubt that Bush/Cheney would ever permanantly relocate outside the US - if for no other reason that security issues.
But then who knows what the future will bring - they may feel compelled to flee the country at some point in the future.
I don't know what they'll do after the expiration of their terms. Hell, they'll probably be viewed as Elder Statesmen b/c they wear especially large flag pins in their lapels everyday.
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"It is possible to impeach someone even after the accused has vacated their office in order to disqualify the person from future office or from certain emoluments of their prior office (such as a pension). If a two-thirds majority of the senators present does not vote "Guilty" on one or more of the charges, the defendant is acquitted and no punishment is imposed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment
Ah so. Thanks. Never gonna happen.
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didn't republicans help fund his last run? I wonder if they're doing it again. What would republicans be doing if dems were paying some disgruntled rightwing guy to run. Holy hell, you'd never hear the end of it!
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haliburton is moving HQ to Dubai at end of 2008.
They wrote cheney a $36 mil check in 1999 before he ran for VP, he made them billions as VP, and smart money is on him being a 'consultant' to them starting 2009. He was their CEO ya know!
Bush bought 100,000 acres of land in paraguay, and family hangs out there a lot now.
they're getting their $ and retiring someplace else.
yeah I know all that but I just don't see either one fleeing the country unless they are in imminent danger of losing their freedom i.e about to be incarcerated.
In that case I can't see President Obama pardoning them.
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the minute you start impeachment, cheney retires and lets VP McCain fill in for the last 10 months of his tenure.
Do you want that?
Yes. McCain is far better than Cheney would ever be. To put it bluntly, Cheney sucks.
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They won't flee the country. They'll pull a Saddam and hide out in an undisclosed hole in the ground. ;D