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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: 240 is Back on February 24, 2008, 04:20:31 PM
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I don't see how anyone can beat him for the pro card this year.
What is your estimate of his bodyfat %?
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25-30% He has a lot of muscle
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24%. Maybe 28%.
If he's gonna show up ripped and drum tight for JRNats he'd better start dieting like....last week.
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Wow he really looks bad not only fat but very loose maybe he knows something I dont
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i don't know if all the muscle is worth the ugly stretchmarks
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The stretch marks are insane!! :-\
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If his abs are visibile he is not over 20%.
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The stretch marks are insane!! :-\
Lots of bodybuilders and powerlifters get them when making huge mass gains in a short period of time.
I don't know at what point they require surgery to remove, and I don't know how much of them will be hidden by the proTan
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Trey will "bring it" come contest time!............(ever hear of "bulking up" ????......that's how you gain size/mass)
bodybuilders use this method...............
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Trey will "bring it" come contest time!............(ever hear of "bulking up" ????......that's how you gain size/mass)
bodybuilders use this method...............
Can you share some offseason photos of other bodybuilders who have employed this method to gain muscle?
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I'll bet he stinks up the gym big time.
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I can't see him living much longer.
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::)Not as high as his blood pressure.and as for bulking up isn't that a BB term for "Hey man I am as fat as a pig" ::)As they say livin the dream.
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Can you share some offseason photos of other bodybuilders who have employed this method to gain muscle?
Rob................the only bodybuilder who "didn't employ the bulking up method" is Ken Jones
stop ripping on Trey for bulking up in the offseason (all pro's do it..otherwise you stay the same show to show...don't make any gains in size/mass)
ever see Gaspari "offseason" ??? ...............i have he was as smooth as Trey (but razor ripped come show time!)
Dareem Charles never "bulks up" offseason............... he looks the same every show(never "Wows" the judges with new muscle)
jesus it's basic bodybuilding 101 ...................you can't sculpt a pebble (as Arnold once said)
look at Heath .................('bulked up" and had a very productive offseason!)
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I gotta say I'm with Arvilla on this. No need to be mean!
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Heath didn't get nearly as fat as Trey thought, Mike
Heath stayed pretty lean the whole off-season, he was just bloated with water
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Does Bulking up mean getting fat and putting your heart under a shitload of stress or is that Drugging up. ::)
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Rob................the only bodybuilder who "didn't employ the bulking up method" is Ken Jones
stop ripping on Trey for bulking up in the offseason (all pro's do it..otherwise you stay the same show to show...don't make any gains in size/mass)
ever see Gaspari "offseason" ??? ...............i have he was as smooth as Trey (but razor ripped come show time!)
Dareem Charles never "bulks up" offseason............... he looks the same every show(never "Wows" the judges with new muscle)
jesus it's basic bodybuilding 101 ...................you can't sculpt a pebble (as Arnold once said)
look at Heath .................('bulked up" and had a very productive offseason!)
yeah Gaspari used to put on so much weight that Haney would laugh at him when they trained together, he thought it was funny.
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(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/TheNaturalTank/aaaaaaaaa.jpg)
shittay physique
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I'm not ripping on Trey... I'm a huge fan. The offseason training pieces he does in MD are my favorite part of the magazine, definitely more real than the "oiled up wearing workboots the day after the show cheering each other on" pics that look so contrived.
I'm just curious about his methods, and looking to see what others think. Many bodybuilders believe you make the best gains at the 10-12% bodyfat area, for hormonal reasons - I think the very wise troponin's book cites 10-12% at the ideal area, that estrogen and other factors are problems when you bulk at 20%.
Plus, like most people here, I'm here to learn how to gain muscle. Will trey gain more or less muscle at 25+% bodyfat than he would at 12%?
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Ask his chemist. ;D
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(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/TheNaturalTank/aaaaaaaaa.jpg)
shittay physique
Unreal legs though.
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(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/TheNaturalTank/aaaaaaaaa.jpg)
shittay physique
If you have a pic of yourself to post, please do!
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If you have a pic of yourself to post, please do!
TAR aka Quagmire is a big fuccker, not as big as Trey but still pretty jacked.
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I'm not ripping on Trey... I'm a huge fan. The offseason training pieces he does in MD are my favorite part of the magazine, definitely more real than the "oiled up wearing workboots the day after the show cheering each other on" pics that look so contrived.
I'm just curious about his methods, and looking to see what others think. Many bodybuilders believe you make the best gains at the 10-12% bodyfat area, for hormonal reasons - I think the very wise troponin's book cites 10-12% at the ideal area, that estrogen and other factors are problems when you bulk at 20%.
Plus, like most people here, I'm here to learn how to gain muscle. Will trey gain more or less muscle at 25+% bodyfat than he would at 12%?
Troponin's DVD set is the ONLY training/nutrition DVD you will ever need, 240 170!
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Rob................the only bodybuilder who "didn't employ the bulking up method" is Ken Jones
stop ripping on Trey for bulking up in the offseason (all pro's do it..otherwise you stay the same show to show...don't make any gains in size/mass)
ever see Gaspari "offseason" ??? ...............i have he was as smooth as Trey (but razor ripped come show time!)
Dareem Charles never "bulks up" offseason............... he looks the same every show(never "Wows" the judges with new muscle)
jesus it's basic bodybuilding 101 ...................you can't sculpt a pebble (as Arnold once said)
look at Heath .................('bulked up" and had a very productive offseason!)
That's what they do today, but what about the guys from the 70's era? It seems they leaned out and took time off the drugs during the offseason, or at least didn't hit them as hard, and then grew into the show. You ever seen pictures of Arnold not during contest time? The guy looked 205 or 210 at a higher bodyfat. I'm just wondering honestly. If anyone knows, or was around from then, speak up. I think Disgusted had something on this in a thread a couple of weeks ago.
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Is Milos going to train him to great heights?.
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If you have a pic of yourself to post, please do!
I know i'm not as big as Trey, but for a guy who gets hyped up everywhere, he really doesn't live up to it.
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Quincy Taylor..............(remember Shawn Ray's offseason pics?!?!?!)
you "bulk up" ........hence you can handle heavier weights (heavier weights = more muscle!)
it's a time proven method (trying to stay lean year after year show after show = you look the same/never make gains)
every single pro does it! (some like Gaspari wouldn't let his photo be taken )
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Quincy Taylor..............(remember Shawn Ray's offseason pics?!?!?!)
you "bulk up" ........hence you can handle heavier weights (heavier weights = more muscle!)
it's a time proven method (trying to stay lean year after year show after show = you look the same/never make gains)
every single pro does it! (some like Gaspari wouldn't let his photo be taken )
I highly doubt EVERY SINGLE PRO hits 20% in the offseason.
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TAR aka Quagmire is a big fuccker, not as big as Trey but still pretty jacked.
Your not exactly small yourself, stud :D
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No matter what name you put to it,it's still fat.
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I highly doubt EVERY SINGLE PRO hits 20% in the offseason.
Bump, Quincy isn't even remotely close to 20% in that pic
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Trey is a young guy................he needs to do this
for someone like Jay cutler..............he is not going to get much bigger (it's all about refinement)
but make no mistake to get really huge/big you gotta eat big/lift big and sleep big in the "offseason"
it would take you 3 times as long/if ever trying to stay lean/ripped and just add quality muscle.........
aint gunna happen!!!
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Is that with or without Drugs??. ::)
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Trey is a young guy................he needs to do this
for someone like Jay cutler..............he is not going to get much bigger (it's all about refinement)
but make no mistake to get really huge/big you gotta eat big/lift big and sleep big in the "offseason"
it would take you 3 times as long/if ever trying to stay lean/ripped and just add quality muscle.........
aint gunna happen!!!
But 25% bodyfat?
Can some of our science guys weigh in on this? Is the body more receptive to gaining muscle at 10-12%, or 25-30%? There has to be a correct answer to this.
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Bump, Quincy isn't even remotely close to 20% in that pic
Agreed
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I highly doubt EVERY SINGLE PRO hits 20% in the offseason.
Jesus your naive!!!.......................(have you ever seen a pro "guest-posing"?!??!?!?)
(not trying to rip on you Rob ..............but you gotta get out to shows a lil more!)
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Excellent physique, TAR. Welcome aboard :)
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I really don't agree Mike, it may work for some but people with regular genetics should NEVER do this
I got up to a really fat 235 before my last show only to compete at 190 lbs, so I didn't make really big gains by getting my weight so high. It was only harder to diet down after that
you should know this too Mike, you got up to close to 300 pounds and you competed in the low 200s.
Do you really think you would have been smaller if you stayed leaner you whole life? I don't think so
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Excellent physique, TAR. Welcome aboard :)
Thanks bro.
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I know i'm not as big as Trey, but for a guy who gets hyped up everywhere, he really doesn't live up to it.
looking incredible man 8)
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Is that with or without Drugs??. ::)
Are you talking to me?
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I really don't agree Mike, it may work for some but people with regular genetics should NEVER do this
I got up to a really fat 235 before my last show only to compete at 190 lbs, so I didn't make really big gains by getting my weight so high. It was only harder to diet down after that
you should know this too Mike, you got up to close to 300 pounds and you competed in the low 200s.
Do you really think you would have been smaller if you stayed leaner you whole life? I don't think so
235 lbs in the offseason? WOW!!! WHAT A BEAST!!! ::) ::) ::)
Just messing wit u :)
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Jesus your naive!!!.......................(have you ever seen a pro "guest-posing"?!??!?!?)
(not trying to rip on you Rob ..............but you gotta get out to shows a lil more!)
I've seen a few guys in person, and I've spent enough time on getbig to see a million guest posing pics.
The guys are big as houses, definitely. But you can still see a lot of muscle. Not ripping on Trey- I really hope he wins his pro card - but his muscles don't have the shape you see in top tier NPC guys and pros. most pros don't get that fat.
I just want to know at what % the human body makes the most muscle gains -
10 to 12%
OR
25 to 30%
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(http://www.graphicmuscle.net/lindsay/photos/transferred/IMG_7711_BAOQHONZJJ.jpg)
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(http://www.graphicmuscle.net/lindsay/photos/transferred/IMG_7791_FYXNJECOYU.jpg)
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235 lbs in the offseason? WOW!!! WHAT A BEAST!!! ::) ::) ::)
Just messing wit u :)
haha yeah pretty small and I was ugly as fuck too
I looked like this
(http://raphaello.univ-fcomte.fr/IG/Renderman/Images/Image006.jpg)
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I've seen a few guys in person, and I've spent enough time on getbig to see a million guest posing pics.
The guys are big as houses, definitely. But you can still see a lot of muscle. Not ripping on Trey- I really hope he wins his pro card - but his muscles don't have the shape you see in top tier NPC guys and pros. most pros don't get that fat.
I just want to know at what % the human body makes the most muscle gains -
10 to 12%
OR
25 to 30%
I don't know what actually is better, but this was me last year and I found even though I got fatter I made more gains...
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haha yeah pretty small and I was ugly as fuck too
I looked like this
(http://raphaello.univ-fcomte.fr/IG/Renderman/Images/Image006.jpg)
Yeah that's what I look like all the time. No shame in having a beer gut, bro :)
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I don't know what actually is better, but this was me last year and I found even though I got fatter I made more gains...
personally, when I got fat (223 at absolute highest), I looked like shit, but I was very strong.
At 176, I look much better, have more muscle, and am growing better, but I'm weak as shit in comparison.
I'd like to know what works better. Bulking up was way more fun.
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personally, when I got fat (223 at absolute highest), I looked like shit, but I was very strong.
At 176, I look much better, have more muscle, and am growing better, but I'm weak as shit in comparison.
I'd like to know what works better. Bulking up was way more fun.
Bulking up is fun, but so is cutting. I like cutting because I looks bigger in the end and maintain my strength pretty well. But yeah, im interested in what works better too.
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Bulking up is fun, but so is cutting. I like cutting because I looks bigger in the end and maintain my strength pretty well. But yeah, im interested in what works better too.
I've only seen this discussion once, in Troponin's book:
http://www.troponinnutrition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=51
Justin writes that 10-12% is best, and gives a host of reasons that make a lot of sense. The book is in the bathroom, I'll dig it up later.
When I see these Trey pics at 25% bodyfat, it goes against what you see in most top NPC/pro pics - visible veins and goo shape - and it goes against that 12% range, way over that.
Trey's getting criticized on a few of the boards for going so heavy, so I know it's not just me scratching my head on the topic.
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I've only seen this discussion once, in Troponin's book:
http://www.troponinnutrition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=51
Justin writes that 10-12% is best, and gives a host of reasons that make a lot of sense. The book is in the bathroom, I'll dig it up later.
When I see these Trey pics at 25% bodyfat, it goes against what you see in most top NPC/pro pics - visible veins and goo shape - and it goes against that 12% range, way over that.
Trey's getting criticized on a few of the boards for going so heavy, so I know it's not just me scratching my head on the topic.
Thanks for the link.
I was on MD today and they were talking pretty bad about him over there too.
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Trey is a monster, and he'll probably turn pro. not the prettiest lines, but in 2 years he'll outmass everyone.
The optimal body fat % (for both users and naturals) to gain muscle is a topic that is rarely discussed, and pretty damn important.
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Thanks for the link.
http://www.troponinnutrition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=51
The book is great. He said in radio interview that it's actually designed to be read in the bathroom - one or two Q & A per page, divided into section (general, offseason, dieting, etc).
Some things are basics, some are advanced. Lots of common sense nutrition stuff. Justin Harris and Layne Norton are, IMO, the two best nutrition minds that we're lucky enough to be able to find on the forums.
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he is not as fat looking as he truly is since he carry lots of muscle on him,,in reality this is too fat,,this is not the way to grow,,yes you gain fat offseason you should gain fat offseason but always always make sure you can see your abs in some form even if outline only,,the reason is if you dont then you will have a lot of work and a lot of weight to lose and rely on duretics and ephedrine too much and the end result will be flat ,,now his physiqe is nothing to write home about when it comes to arms ,,that even makes him look more fat,,
you can see dnp written all over this guy ,,he is very young ,,have strong chunky build but simply destroying his shape by the month because you are seeing infront of your eyes the beggining of valentinos and bad versions of mike queen,,you see infront of your eyes someone who really wanna be big but doesnt have the muscle shape to make it as a top professional
his bodyfat is 22-25% according to the gym picture presented and he has a lot of muscle that is far far far from fully developed,,,lots of drug here friends,,the problem is the muscles that really count are not there,,,a guy at 300lb shoudl have chest screaming out of him no matter 20% or not,,his arms should be seperated well if it was truly muscle but its not,,,big shoulders...legs are very good but this type of guy would have big legs no matter what its american irish they all have big legs they dont need to weork them
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gh15, why do you hate so much? ::)
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It's not hate just a little truth.
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gh15, why do you hate so much? ::)
i dotn ,,he has good physiqe for a gym rat and um placing 15-16 in national stage,,this is common to many guys in america,,,they are usually cops and work good shifts,,they always 280lb with gut from here to china ,,,they always build blocky,,they never win professional cards ,,they are very good at coming to gym and look big and impressive with t shirt on but in reality you put 220lb bodybuilder next to them and in most cases 190lb bodybuilder next to them and they dissapear into the darkness,,
i stoped counting the times i have seen 195lb bodybuilders that can wash the floor with this fella,,hell take matt t for example he at 173 pounds? wash the floor with this fella,,,itas just that bodybuilding became a joke and the sad result is demonstrated by this lifter
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I'm not ripping on Trey... I'm a huge fan. The offseason training pieces he does in MD are my favorite part of the magazine, definitely more real than the "oiled up wearing workboots the day after the show cheering each other on" pics that look so contrived.
I'm just curious about his methods, and looking to see what others think. Many bodybuilders believe you make the best gains at the 10-12% bodyfat area, for hormonal reasons - I think the very wise troponin's book cites 10-12% at the ideal area, that estrogen and other factors are problems when you bulk at 20%.
Plus, like most people here, I'm here to learn how to gain muscle. Will trey gain more or less muscle at 25+% bodyfat than he would at 12%?
this just means that he will have to diet longer and harder, look at Heath's offseason pics...he was pretty lean and he made tremendous gains
Rob, does this mean that you will be a serious contender for mr.getbig this year?
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Rob, does this mean that you will be a serious contender for mr.getbig this year?
I'm not going to commit, of course. I've never been good at staying consistent.
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Lots of bodybuilders and powerlifters get them when making huge mass gains in a short period of time.
im starting to get some in the some place :-\ Im going to buy some vitamin E lotion tomorrow....... :-[ :-[ :-[
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So whats the big deal about this dude? He looks shitty, has no arms and will prolly never make the top 3 of any major contest. Just hype? ???
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he is not as fat looking as he truly is since he carry lots of muscle on him,,in reality this is too fat,,this is not the way to grow,,yes you gain fat offseason you should gain fat offseason but always always make sure you can see your abs in some form even if outline only,,the reason is if you dont then you will have a lot of work and a lot of weight to lose and rely on duretics and ephedrine too much and the end result will be flat ,,now his physiqe is nothing to write home about when it comes to arms ,,that even makes him look more fat,,
you can see dnp written all over this guy ,,he is very young ,,have strong chunky build but simply destroying his shape by the month because you are seeing infront of your eyes the beggining of valentinos and bad versions of mike queen,,you see infront of your eyes someone who really wanna be big but doesnt have the muscle shape to make it as a top professional
his bodyfat is 22-25% according to the gym picture presented and he has a lot of muscle that is far far far from fully developed,,,lots of drug here friends,,the problem is the muscles that really count are not there,,,a guy at 300lb shoudl have chest screaming out of him no matter 20% or not,,his arms should be seperated well if it was truly muscle but its not,,,big shoulders...legs are very good but this type of guy would have big legs no matter what its american irish they all have big legs they dont need to weork them
HAHAHA "Mike Queen" ;D
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Can someone explain Bulking to Kevin Levrone.
Also a natural bulking is going to get a big letdown.
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i dotn ,,he has good physiqe for a gym rat and um placing 15-16 in national stage,,this is common to many guys in america,,,they are usually cops and work good shifts,,they always 280lb with gut from here to china ,,,they always build blocky,,they never win professional cards ,,they are very good at coming to gym and look big and impressive with t shirt on but in reality you put 220lb bodybuilder next to them and in most cases 190lb bodybuilder next to them and they dissapear into the darkness,,
i stoped counting the times i have seen 195lb bodybuilders that can wash the floor with this fella,,hell take matt t for example he at 173 pounds? wash the floor with this fella,,,itas just that bodybuilding became a joke and the sad result is demonstrated by this lifter
gh15=matt t!!!
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Quincy Taylor..............(remember Shawn Ray's offseason pics?!?!?!)
you "bulk up" ........hence you can handle heavier weights (heavier weights = more muscle!)
it's a time proven method (trying to stay lean year after year show after show = you look the same/never make gains)
every single pro does it! (some like Gaspari wouldn't let his photo be taken )
is that your secret for your massive legs development?
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Trey is a young guy................he needs to do this
for someone like Jay cutler..............he is not going to get much bigger (it's all about refinement)
but make no mistake to get really huge/big you gotta eat big/lift big and sleep big in the "offseason"
it would take you 3 times as long/if ever trying to stay lean/ripped and just add quality muscle.........
aint gunna happen!!!
phil is young also and his offseason pics look like he is 8 weeks out
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I've seen a few guys in person, and I've spent enough time on getbig to see a million guest posing pics.
The guys are big as houses, definitely. But you can still see a lot of muscle. Not ripping on Trey- I really hope he wins his pro card - but his muscles don't have the shape you see in top tier NPC guys and pros. most pros don't get that fat.
I just want to know at what % the human body makes the most muscle gains -
10 to 12%
OR
25 to 30%
I always go back to this article
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1268956
"To gain size you have to eat, right? I think we can all agree with that. If you're a natural trainee you won't be able to add a significant amount of muscle mass unless you're consuming enough calories and nutrients to support muscle growth. If you're not ingesting enough nutrients, your body won't be in an optimal muscle-building state. In fact, if you don't eat enough, chances are you might even lose muscle mass despite training hard.
So on the surface it looks like the good ol' advice about following the ''see food diet'' to grow bigger seems logical. The more you eat the more you grow, right?
Not so fast!
While it's true that if you aren't consuming enough nutrients your muscle growth will be impaired, it doesn't necessarily mean that the more you eat the more you grow. Actually, it is true: the more you eat the bigger you'll get. However, this doesn't mean that you'll become more muscular!
This brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves and what I believe to be one of the biggest mistakes a person can make when training to build an aesthetic and muscular physique: eating way too much junk to grow bigger and accepting a large body fat gain in hope of stimulating more muscle growth.
You see, when you're a natural trainee your body has a limited capacity to build muscle. The amount of muscle you can build is dependent on your body's capacity to synthesize new muscle tissue from the ingested protein. Your body's protein synthesis capacities are dependent on your natural Testosterone levels, your Testosterone to cortisol ratio, your insulin sensitivity, and your muscle fiber makeup, among other things.
You can eat any amount of food you want; you simply can't change your protein synthesis limit naturally. Eating more food than your body can use to build muscle will simply lead to more body fat being gained.
"
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i dotn ,,he has good physiqe for a gym rat and um placing 15-16 in national stage,,this is common to many guys in america,,,they are usually cops and work good shifts,,they always 280lb with gut from here to china ,,,they always build blocky,,they never win professional cards ,,they are very good at coming to gym and look big and impressive with t shirt on but in reality you put 220lb bodybuilder next to them and in most cases 190lb bodybuilder next to them and they dissapear into the darkness,,
i stoped counting the times i have seen 195lb bodybuilders that can wash the floor with this fella,,hell take matt t for example he at 173 pounds? wash the floor with this fella,,,itas just that bodybuilding became a joke and the sad result is demonstrated by this lifter
GH, what do you recommend for MattC..how can we get him to MattT's level?
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Team BSN nutritionist is Hany Rambod, isnt it?
then no problem, he take pro card @USA :D
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I remember that t-nation article also... it matches what Troponin says... getting 20+% isn't conductive for muscle growth.
I'm really surprised more hasn't been written on the topic.
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lol!....................ever yones/bodies are different (what works for Dexter Jackson prolly won't work for Trey Brewer)
Justin (Troponin) is incredibly knowledgeable about nutrition............tha t being said find out what works for YOUR body (experiment with different things/methods)
sitting on the crapper reading Justins book like it's the Bible ain't gunna help
i agree with GH in that you probably shouldn't let your abs dissapear (that's a good guideline to follow to tell your getting too fat)
Rob (240) you over-analyze things.................t hrow some heavy iron around,eat every 3- 4 hours (good food!/shakes)....sleep 8-10 hours per night
you will grow!
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everyones/bodies are different (what works for Dexter Jackson prolly won't work for Trey Brewer)
While there are variances - Dex has a faster metabolism - would the body's chemistry be all that different?
Scientifically, why would Dexter make better gains at 12% than at 30%, and why would brewer make better gains at 12% than 30%?
This is just for the sake of debate... if Trey is flat at the Jr nats, then we'll see maybe overdieting to compensate for over bodyfat isn't the way to go. if he has a new inch or two on his arms and chest, then yes, Trey laughs last, and he knew what he was doing all along.
Scientifically though - I'd like to know what is the most effective bodyfat range for gaining muscle:
10 to 12%
or
25 to 30%
or
doesn't matter
or
"depends", which will require an explanation.
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While there are variances - Dex has a faster metabolism - would the body's chemistry be all that different?
Scientifically, why would Dexter make better gains at 12% than at 30%, and why would brewer make better gains at 12% than 30%?
This is just for the sake of debate... if Trey is flat at the Jr nats, then we'll see maybe overdieting to compensate for over bodyfat isn't the way to go. if he has a new inch or two on his arms and chest, then yes, Trey laughs last, and he knew what he was doing all along.
Scientifically though - I'd like to know what is the most effective bodyfat range for gaining muscle:
10 to 12%
or
25 to 30%
or
doesn't matter
or
"depends", which will require an explanation.
There is no "most effective range" (so many variables/anabolics/age/weight/metabolism etc)..............to gain muscle you must cause trauma to the muscle tissue (in effect breaking the tissue down and forcing it to build it self up just a little bit bigger/stronger to adapt/get ready in case it faces this new found stress ie: weight training again)
you must overload the body with protien (and yes carbs) ...........think of putting a glass out in a rain shower
the glass doesn't find the one or two drops of rain ..............it's overloaded with rain (protien) so the glass get's filled!
you cannot stay lean (ripped) and make major gains (bulk up keeping your abs visible) use heavier weights which in turn gives you bigger muscles!,it's not rocket science (altho some supplement companies would like you to think so)
we as bodybuilders are never satisfied/content.we always strive to get bigger/better (it's an ongoing process)
when you are satisfied that's when your gains will stop!
"Eat Big,Lift Big,Sleep Big"
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While there are variances - Dex has a faster metabolism - would the body's chemistry be all that different?
Scientifically, why would Dexter make better gains at 12% than at 30%, and why would brewer make better gains at 12% than 30%?
This is just for the sake of debate... if Trey is flat at the Jr nats, then we'll see maybe overdieting to compensate for over bodyfat isn't the way to go. if he has a new inch or two on his arms and chest, then yes, Trey laughs last, and he knew what he was doing all along.
Scientifically though - I'd like to know what is the most effective bodyfat range for gaining muscle:
10 to 12%
or
25 to 30%
or
doesn't matter
or
"depends", which will require an explanation.
When i was using i believed in growing into the physique like the guys in the 70s and there is living proof that this can also work in modern BB with Kevin Levrone taking 20 weeks to be ready,check him out in the BFTO2002 his upperbody was incredible and came 2nd in the 2002 MrO
IMO bulking for a natural is totally counterproductive
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lol
sitting on the crapper reading Justins book like it's the Bible ain't gunna help
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There is no "most effective range" (so many variables/anabolics/age/weight/metabolism etc)..............to gain muscle
This directly contradicts T-Nation and Troponin's book.
I'll break down the list of reasons trop gave which indicated why 10% BF creates a more anabolic enviroonment than 25%.
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There is no "most effective range" (so many variables/anabolics/age/weight/metabolism etc)..............to gain muscle you must cause trauma to the muscle tissue (in effect breaking the tissue down and forcing it to build it self up just a little bit bigger/stronger to adapt/get ready in case it faces this new found stress ie: weight training again)
you must overload the body with protien (and yes carbs) ...........think of putting a glass out in a rain shower
the glass doesn't find the one or two drops of rain ..............it's overloaded with rain (protien) so the glass get's filled!
you cannot stay lean (ripped) and make major gains (bulk up keeping your abs visible) use heavier weights which in turn gives you bigger muscles!,it's not rocket science (altho some supplement companies would like you to think so)
we as bodybuilders are never satisfied/content.we always strive to get bigger/better (it's an ongoing process)
when you are satisfied that's when your gains will stop!
"Eat Big,Lift Big,Sleep Big"
Using these methods, how much size have you added in the past 5 years?
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Using these methods, how much size have you added in the past 5 years?
Hmmm.........i started out at 155 lbs (at almost 6 ft 2" ) when i was 25 years old
the thing is every time you "get up to a certain weight/size" then cut up,the next time you get to that weight it's more solid....let me explain : im 250 lbs right now (and that's with abs)
my 250 lbs 7-8 years ago was vastly different (very bloated/fat).....it takes time/years (bulking up then cutting) trying to add a pound or two of quality muscle per years isn't going to cut it
just the weight means nothing (as my 250 lbs years ago shows us).............your body has to "get used to a certain weight".like i said it's a long process and you will shortchange that process if you stay too lean
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boobs on a dude are just not nice to look at.
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This is a better example of what I'm talking about (and yes I'm "putting myself out there" to try and help/educate some of you)
250 lbs years ago vs 250 lbs now............same weight but much more solid/leaner/harder
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This is a better example of what I'm talking about (and yes I'm "putting myself out there" to try and help/educate some of you)
250 lbs years ago vs 250 lbs now............same weight but much more solid/leaner/harder
Have you used in that period
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There is no "most effective range" (so many variables/anabolics/age/weight/metabolism etc)..............
Do you have any research backing this up or is this your gut feeling? Several documents/papers etc disagree with your statement.
Here is some very plain logic for you
Get too fat and sloppy and you might find yourself spend several extra bulking cycles worth of time cutting fat out. Fact of the matter is many pro's have got too fat and a number of them have publicly stated that they got too fat and they wouldn't be doing that again. In the region Trey is in, he will be spending quite a bit longer than his competitors getting ready.
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This is a better example of what I'm talking about (and yes I'm "putting myself out there" to try and help/educate some of you)
250 lbs years ago vs 250 lbs now............same weight but much more solid/leaner/harder
I am 150% sur that if you stayed lean all those years the results would have been the same at the end
(now when I say lean I mean 10-12% wich is moooooooooooore than enough fat on someone's body to put on size)
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Get too fat and sloppy and you might find yourself spend several extra bulking cycles worth of time cutting fat out. Fact of the matter is many pro's have got too fat and a number of them have publicly stated that they got too fat and they wouldn't be doing that again. In the region Trey is in, he will be spending quite a bit longer than his competitors getting ready.
It's not just the add'l dieting stressors.
There's more.
According to Justin Harris, renowned Bbing nutritionist, paraphrased:
in natural athetes, 10-12% bodyfat is the level where the body is most effective at producing testosterone.
As bodyfat levels increase, the body becomes more effective at pumping out estrogen.
http://www.troponinnutrition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=51
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Trop is a beast and a credit to the game.
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It's not just the add'l dieting stressors.
There's more.
According to Justin Harris, renowned Bbing nutritionist, paraphrased:
in natural athetes, 10-12% bodyfat is the level where the body is most effective at producing testosterone.
As bodyfat levels increase, the body becomes more effective at pumping out estrogen.
http://www.troponinnutrition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=51
do what you want to................all im saying if your a "competitive bodybuilder" who wants to get "huge"
it ain't going to happen staying at 10 -12 % year round
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can you find one offseason pic of ruhl, from his 15-20 year of competition, where he goes over 20% bodyfat?
(I just like to argue Mike, you know that :) )
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I am 150% sur that if you stayed lean all those years the results would have been the same at the end
(now when I say lean I mean 10-12% wich is moooooooooooore than enough fat on someone's body to put on size)
Actually, I have a friend who is a National Level Competitor who did exactly that. Stayed that lean for almost a years time, busted their ass in the gym all that time and didn't gain any size. I am sure it is all "different strokes for different folks". Not all are going to get the same results out of the same things. It IS all trial and error.
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problem is that once you're at the level of muscle mass of guys like Ronnie, Jay, Ruhl, etc. you've pretty much topped out and it's not like you're gonna put on 10 pounds of lean tissue for every show no matter how much you weigh in the offseason.
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Actually, I have a friend who is a National Level Competitor who did exactly that. Stayed that lean for almost a years time, busted their ass in the gym all that time and didn't gain any size. I am sure it is all "different strokes for different folks". Not all are going to get the same results out of the same things. It IS all trial and error.
It's likely your friend was eating right at maintenance level of calories, but not EXTRA calories required for growth.
Adding 500 per day (above what his body needed) would have put 1 pound per week on his frame.
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Actually, I have a friend who is a National Level Competitor who did exactly that. Stayed that lean for almost a years time, busted their ass in the gym all that time and didn't gain any size. I am sure it is all "different strokes for different folks". Not all are going to get the same results out of the same things. It IS all trial and error.
correct.
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TAR aka Quagmire is a big fuccker, not as big as Trey but still pretty jacked.
You're not so small yourself squadfather. ;)
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can you find one offseason pic of ruhl, from his 15-20 year of competition, where he goes over 20% bodyfat?
(I just like to argue Mike, you know that :) )
THis one person we know stays lean all year round (never moves up in weight classes,kinna always looks the same show after show............year after year)
other person is over 300 lbs right now (lotta "buzz" about him)moved up in weight class/judges..people really taking notice of him ...........added size/thickness to almost all his bodyparts (brought up "weaknesses" as well)
seems to me to be a "no-brainer"
here ya go Rob..............Marcus over 20 % in this pic!
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Trey going so heavy in the offseason is a huge mistake. Look at lee Priest. Look at the detail he had in his legs early in his career and look at them late in his career. Look at Kamali. There is no reason to get that far out of shape. Fat cells only shrink, they don't disappear. They more you add, the less detail your gonna have IMO.
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Melvin Anthony.........all "bulked up"
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THis one person we know stays lean all year round (never moves up in weight classes,kinna always looks the same show after show............year after year)
other person is over 300 lbs right now (lotta "buzz" about him)moved up in weight class/judges..people really taking notice of him ...........added size/thickness to almost all his bodyparts (brought up "weaknesses" as well)
seems to me to be a "no-brainer"
The solution might be in the MIDDLE, not extremes.
You have one guy who doesn't get any add'l calories, so scientifically CANNOT add new muscle.
You have another guy who adds fat cells to his body every year unnecessarily.
The best option might be to give the body 500 to 1000 calories above maintenance level, per day. That would equate to 1 to 2 pounds added to the body per week, barring minimal metabolic fluctuations. Optimal anabolic environment, minimal estrogen issues, and fewest new fat cells.
That's all I'm getting at.
here ya go Rob..............Marcus over 20 % in this pic!
That's not Lee Priest.
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Melvin Anthony.........all "bulked up"
Melvin is WAY under 20% bodyfat there. Just a whole lotta water.
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Melvin is WAY under 20% bodyfat there. Just a whole lotta water.
hmmmmm ..............i notice you didn't comment on the Marcus Ruhl picture lol!
all im advocating is to get big (truly big) you gotta bulk (keep your abs visible)
look at Kai Greene (hes over 300 lbs right now and has a lotta "buzz",we are
talking pros here (like Trey Brewer) not you and I
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hmmmmm ..............i notice you didn't comment on the Marcus Ruhl picture lol!
all im advocating is to get big (truly big) you gotta bulk (keep your abs visible)
look at Kai Greene (hes over 300 lbs right now and has a lotta "buzz",we are
talking pros here (like Trey Brewer) not you and I
I agree with you, some pros do it, some do not. You're right on that one.
Just seems like the science - and most of their peers - believe 25% is too fat.
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Mike, didn't you admit in your "Long Road To Compete" thread that you used to drink a gallon of Gatorade a day, thinking that it would help make you lean?
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Mike, didn't you admit in your "Long Road To Compete" thread that you used to drink a gallon of Gatorade a day, thinking that it would help make you lean?
LOL!.................no
i did however make my protien shakes with gatoraide and was not aware of the massive amount of sugar contained within,.........(i never bothered to read the label)
we all make mistakes and we are never to old to learn
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gatorade really doesn't have THAT MUCH sugar, it has much less than regular fruit juices
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Mike, I really think you confuse bloated with water and high bodyfat
all the pictures you posted are people bloated who are still farily lean
and the fat markus ruhl in the last picture (where you can't even see if he is really fat because he is clothed), was when he took a year off trying to make a baby, he didn't get fat to gain muscle
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Mike, I really think you confuse bloated with water and high bodyfat
all the pictures you posted are people bloated who are still farily lean
and the fat markus ruhl in the last picture (where you can't even see if he is really fat because he is clothed), was when he took a year off trying to make a baby, he didn't get fat to gain muscle
Stav im not advocating getting "fat"...........excess water retention and yes some adopise tissue (ie: fat) must be gained in order to "get-big"...............it's fairly simple
why the big discussion on it?!?!?!?
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Stav im not advocating getting "fat"...........excess water retention and yes some adopise tissue (ie: fat) must be gained in order to "get-big"...............it's fairly simple
why the big discussion on it?!?!?!?
Yes, that's basic common sense . . .
but what do you say about a Kevin Levrone "growing into a show" . . .?
(all drugs???)
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Yes, that's basic common sense . . .
but what do you say about a Kevin Levrone "growing into a show" . . .?
(all drugs???)
Kevin Levrone (and im guessing here)....came off the "supplements" in the offseason,got "small"...then "geared up" for a show,this is contrary to what 99% of competitive bodybuilders do,how much bigger/better could Kevin have been if he stayed "on" year round?(this is open to debate)
Kevin marched to the beat of a different drummer than the rest of us...........
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If Jay stood up you'd see his 6 pack there.
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Jay is not fat there ;D
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Perfect example of what im talking about! (Ronnie at over 300 lbs)
Trey has to hit the "over 300 lb" mark a few times before he is "solid" at that weight
but he is def on the right track!
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Can you share some offseason photos of other bodybuilders who have employed this method to gain muscle?
Why are you such a goof?
Look at off-season shots of Yates, Coleman, Richards, Priest, and a myriad of others. The guy's body fat is not that high.
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Why are you such a goof?
Look at off-season shots of Yates, Coleman, Richards, Priest, and a myriad of others. The guy's body fat is not that high.
when you are THAT muscular, you look good even with high bodyfat
Trey looks fat as fuck, that means his bodyfat is SUPER high
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Why are you such a goof?
Look at off-season shots of Yates, Coleman, Richards, Priest, and a myriad of others. The guy's body fat is not that high.
To many people who comment on the varous boards, Trey seems to be carrying a higher % of bodyfat than other bodybuilders in the offseason.
No doubt he can diet it away. The question remains: What is the optimal bf % for making offseason muscle gains?
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Actually, I have a friend who is a National Level Competitor who did exactly that. Stayed that lean for almost a years time, busted their ass in the gym all that time and didn't gain any size. I am sure it is all "different strokes for different folks". Not all are going to get the same results out of the same things. It IS all trial and error.
Can you mive your hands please. ;)
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Treys not as fat as he looks imo.
he is holding a lot of muscle, and is very bloated, imo he will ripped showtime.
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GH, what do you recommend for MattC..how can we get him to MattT's level?
he cant,,he can grow to the 220lb he wants can even be 10% but he doesnt have the pecs nor the back genetically ,,legs are too small and hes not 20,,he needs to bring uppoer tors both chest and back,,needs to thicken a lot ,,,all that can only be done with hormones at his age,,past 25-26 it is very hard to bring up laggin body parts,,you need to know your hormones,,,
his arms and shoulders take away from his pecs and back,,,it is impossible at his age to bring up pecs ,,back can brought up with hard work but i suggest for canadian to work less on arms because most of them are all arms
in any case matt t with right training is a professional bodybuilder,,matt c with right training and hormones can be national level like 100 others tropopins but never a professional,,again major weak points ,,,sometimes better to have no arms and all the other parts developed well rather than vise versa friends
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Matt C should stop chasing the vaginas and start concentring more on having a great bodies
that way, he will have even more vaginas
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What BF% Shawn there?? looking SWOLE :o
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he cant,,he can grow to the 220lb he wants can even be 10% but he doesnt have the pecs nor the back genetically ,,legs are too small and hes not 20,,he needs to bring uppoer tors both chest and back,,needs to thicken a lot ,,,all that can only be done with hormones at his age,,past 25-26 it is very hard to bring up laggin body parts,,you need to know your hormones,,,
his arms and shoulders take away from his pecs and back,,,it is impossible at his age to bring up pecs ,,back can brought up with hard work but i suggest for canadian to work less on arms because most of them are all arms
in any case matt t with right training is a professional bodybuilder,,matt c with right training and hormones can be national level like 100 others tropopins but never a professional,,again major weak points ,,,sometimes better to have no arms and all the other parts developed well rather than vise versa friends
why the hate for matt c?
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Treys not as fat as he looks imo.
he is holding a lot of muscle, and is very bloated, imo he will ripped showtime.
oh hes fat ,,he is over 20 % and got a lot of muscle thats true ,,but whenever you get that much bodyfat on you ,,,you never dial it well and you never dial it to be big enough as in max lean size,,,it is major shit to deal with loss of weight when youre overweight,,,there is one thing to be 300 ron colman and a wholeeeeeeee diff thing to be 300 of this fella,,this fella got half the lean muscle mass of ron colman and also doesnt have the MUSCLE SHAPE! also majority of professional me included may look bloated but we dont go over 15% ,,,even fatzo priest in kfc commercial was maybe 16-18% bloated fuck but nothing over,,,this fella in those picture has high bodyfat for bodybuilder with lots of muscle mass but he just doesnt carry enough muscle mass in relashion to his bodyfat%
all the pictures that you showed here of professionals ,,,noe of them are over 15% with major loads of water bloats that go away with a simple diazide pill within 48 huors or aldactone within few days
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What BF% Shawn there?? looking SWOLE :o
around 12% with a lot of water
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What BF% Shawn there?? looking SWOLE :o
8-10% bloated with water
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why the hate for matt c?
not hate just bodybuilding critiqe,,i just put him in national level competition ,,,1000s of guys would pay with their right balls to stand national stage ,,,but he cant do the professional because he symetry and weak points are too many to count,,
told you before any one can do national competition,,,the ones who turn professionals are the ones who can use hormones and not fuck their look in addition to good muscle shape,,,he can defenitely be 220lb at low body fat though and be sure every one around will think hes the best bodybuilder in his city or whereever that may be
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not hate just bodybuilding critiqe,,i just put him in national level competition ,,,1000s of guys would pay with their right balls to stand national stage ,,,but he cant do the professional because he symetry and weak points are too many to count,,
told you before any one can do national competition,,,the ones who turn professionals are the ones who can use hormones and not fuck their look in addition to good muscle shape,,,he can defenitely be 220lb at low body fat though and be sure every one around will think hes the best bodybuilder in his city or whereever that may be
lol i think you mean matt t
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lol i think you mean matt t
No Matt T has pro potential
but MAtt C also looks amazing for a natural, great foundation on him. As GH15 said, I can see him as a national competitor if he stops being a pussy and start shooting some test ;D
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lol i think you mean matt t
oh no ,,i know the diff between the 2
matt t potential = pro card
matt c potential = with hard work and lots of hormones as in constant use national competitor
matt t is 5'7? 5'6? he is 170lb on stage,,offseaon dont even touch 200lb yet still if you take a picture of him you will guess he was 215-220lb with pretty good muscle shape,,thats what you need in addition to kissing ass and lots of dedication and actually competing inorder to become professional,,,most people who at his level who dont get apro cards are usually the ones who afraid to compete for god know what reason
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oh no ,,i know the diff between the 2
matt t potential = pro card
matt c potential = with hard work and lots of hormones as in constant use national competitor
matt t is 5'7? 5'6? he is 170lb on stage,,offseaon dont even touch 200lb yet still if you take a picture of him you will guess he was 215-220lb with pretty good muscle shape,,thats what you need in addition to kissing ass and lots of dedication and actually competing inorder to become professional,,,most people who at his level who dont get apro cards are usually the ones who afraid to compete for god know what reason
Anybody has pix of the two Matts for comparison.
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oh no ,,i know the diff between the 2
matt t potential = pro card
matt c potential = with hard work and lots of hormones as in constant use national competitor
matt t is 5'7? 5'6? he is 170lb on stage,,offseaon dont even touch 200lb yet still if you take a picture of him you will guess he was 215-220lb with pretty good muscle shape,,thats what you need in addition to kissing ass and lots of dedication and actually competing inorder to become professional,,,most people who at his level who dont get apro cards are usually the ones who afraid to compete for god know what reason
I always said that MattT should stop fucking around in the natty organisations and start competing in the CBBF !
his physique with ultra drum tight conditionning = welterweight winner
here is the picture of Yannick Brisson from my gym who won the welters at the canadian nationals, MattT needs to be this sharp ! (Yannick in the middle)
(http://www.cbbf.ca/images_photos/2007cdns/2007cdns_45.jpg)
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I always said that MattT should stop fucking around in the natty organisations and start competing in the CBBF !
his physique with ultra drum tight conditionning = welterweight winner
here is the picture of Yannick Brisson from my gym who won the welters at the canadian nationals, MattT needs to be this sharp ! (Yannick in the middle)
(http://www.cbbf.ca/images_photos/2007cdns/2007cdns_45.jpg)
big arms.
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You Wanna Be Freaky? Then You Gotta Eat Freaky!
We have now entered what many deem as the most difficult aspect of this sport.
I've said this before, and I will say it again, you cannot get a highly competitive physique and maintain your abs all year long! It doesn’t work that way. And unfortunately, the majority of today’s magazines make this out to be the case.
The quickest way to gain mass is to eat, like you have never eaten before, and ask questions latter! If you have ever been to Venice Beach, you will understand exactly what I am talking about. Bodybuilders are absolute tanks in the off season!
I’m not sure how many of you are familiar with Ian Harrison, but he is actually one of the founders of the massive physiques you see on stage today. He is one of the first athletes to bulk up to over 320 pounds on a consistent basis, and as far as pure size is concerned, he was right up there with Yates, Rhul, and Nasser. Ian has stated that he literally doesn’t care what he looks like in the off season, as long as he’s gaining size. In fact he has been quoted with eating three liters of ice cream a day while bulking. Literally, as long as he doesn’t throw it up, he will eat it!
And even then he may force feed it. During a seminar he told a very inspiring story. He ate 30 desiccated liver tablets, felt sick and threw them up. They went flying across the room. What did he do? Casually rinsed them off, and re-downed them, because he knew that was what it would take for him to get the physique he wanted. Ian has a difficult time gaining weight, so he did what it took to gain it!
“ If you want to be one of the big boys, you can't just say eat when you are hungry. Or I'll just eat this, or I'm full, I can't eat that. You've got to just eat it. You're not eating cause you like it, you're eating to grow! If you have to force feed yourself, then do it! When I stopped competing it took me months to regain my appetite. I mean since I was 15 I force fed myself constantly, and you get to hate the idea of eating. But that’s what it took“
Quote - Ian Harrison
It’s a fact that bodybuilders do not stay within 5-10 pounds of their contest shape, not if they are one of the monsters up there. Ian has an extremely insane regimen, in which he eats anything he can get his hands on all day, and essentially just makes sure that he gets 50 grams of protein in him every two hours to keep his amino acid intake up.
Lee Priest is the same way, in one interview he stated that he had lost, something like 300 pounds over the last three years! That’s insane! But do you think he could have developed a physique that freaky by staying lean all year long? Absolutely not! If you have ever seen his videos, you know that Lee feasts on Kentucky Fried Chicken, Mc Donalds, and other tasty food sources in the off season. One of my favorite quotes from him during a contest was this:
Just three more days, and no more chicken and rice. Actually I will eat chicken, but it will be Kentucky, and I will have rice, but it’ll be fried. “
Lee’s got a good sense of humor. Another story that comes to mind is Mike Mattarazzos off season shakes! Here is a quote from the man with the freakiest arms of all time!
If I couldn't finish a meal during the day, I would put a cup and a half of apple juice in the blender -- and this is the honest-to-God truth -- and throw steaks, fish, whatever I couldn't chew, into the blender. Then I would hold my nose and suck it down. That's a fact. Many times I puked that stuff back up, but it did the job….If you have been working hard in the gym, but you're not making the gains you want, there's one very simple reason: You're not eating enough.
As you have also noticed and heard, many bodybuilders eat junk food in the off season, because it is impossible to stay clean and get the amount of calories needed for these mammoths to gain size! Some of the most hardcore athletes in the world will actually bring their fast food meals with them to the gym so that they continue to stay in a state of anabolism! That’s no joke, its what they do to obtain freaky big size( you can’t pick that up in a text book)!
Junk food is so calorie dense, that if you maintain a high protein intake you can gain quite a bit of muscle mass off the stuff. Take the Austrian Oak for example. When he went in the military, all they had was junk food. However, he had to eat, or he couldn’t continue to grow. He rolled up his sleeves and ate as much of these foods as possible, and ended up putting on about 40 pounds! More than he had ever gained!
Am I telling you to go out and start eating junk food? No and no wise although you may advance to a point in which it is necessary). What I am telling you, is that you are going to have to eat like you want to be freaky, or you will never be freaky! If you can’t finish your meal, tuff! Rest pause for 5 minutes and force it down. There is no excuse for not gaining mass, you just need to do what it takes to gain it!
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You Wanna Be Freaky? Then You Gotta Eat Freaky!
We have now entered what many deem as the most difficult aspect of this sport.
I've said this before, and I will say it again, you cannot get a highly competitive physique and maintain your abs all year long! It doesn’t work that way. And unfortunately, the majority of today’s magazines make this out to be the case.
The quickest way to gain mass is to eat, like you have never eaten before, and ask questions latter! If you have ever been to Venice Beach, you will understand exactly what I am talking about. Bodybuilders are absolute tanks in the off season!
I’m not sure how many of you are familiar with Ian Harrison, but he is actually one of the founders of the massive physiques you see on stage today. He is one of the first athletes to bulk up to over 320 pounds on a consistent basis, and as far as pure size is concerned, he was right up there with Yates, Rhul, and Nasser. Ian has stated that he literally doesn’t care what he looks like in the off season, as long as he’s gaining size. In fact he has been quoted with eating three liters of ice cream a day while bulking. Literally, as long as he doesn’t throw it up, he will eat it!
And even then he may force feed it. During a seminar he told a very inspiring story. He ate 30 desiccated liver tablets, felt sick and threw them up. They went flying across the room. What did he do? Casually rinsed them off, and re-downed them, because he knew that was what it would take for him to get the physique he wanted. Ian has a difficult time gaining weight, so he did what it took to gain it!
“ If you want to be one of the big boys, you can't just say eat when you are hungry. Or I'll just eat this, or I'm full, I can't eat that. You've got to just eat it. You're not eating cause you like it, you're eating to grow! If you have to force feed yourself, then do it! When I stopped competing it took me months to regain my appetite. I mean since I was 15 I force fed myself constantly, and you get to hate the idea of eating. But that’s what it took“
Quote - Ian Harrison
It’s a fact that bodybuilders do not stay within 5-10 pounds of their contest shape, not if they are one of the monsters up there. Ian has an extremely insane regimen, in which he eats anything he can get his hands on all day, and essentially just makes sure that he gets 50 grams of protein in him every two hours to keep his amino acid intake up.
Lee Priest is the same way, in one interview he stated that he had lost, something like 300 pounds over the last three years! That’s insane! But do you think he could have developed a physique that freaky by staying lean all year long? Absolutely not! If you have ever seen his videos, you know that Lee feasts on Kentucky Fried Chicken, Mc Donalds, and other tasty food sources in the off season. One of my favorite quotes from him during a contest was this:
Just three more days, and no more chicken and rice. Actually I will eat chicken, but it will be Kentucky, and I will have rice, but it’ll be fried. “
Lee’s got a good sense of humor. Another story that comes to mind is Mike Mattarazzos off season shakes! Here is a quote from the man with the freakiest arms of all time!
If I couldn't finish a meal during the day, I would put a cup and a half of apple juice in the blender -- and this is the honest-to-God truth -- and throw steaks, fish, whatever I couldn't chew, into the blender. Then I would hold my nose and suck it down. That's a fact. Many times I puked that stuff back up, but it did the job….If you have been working hard in the gym, but you're not making the gains you want, there's one very simple reason: You're not eating enough.
As you have also noticed and heard, many bodybuilders eat junk food in the off season, because it is impossible to stay clean and get the amount of calories needed for these mammoths to gain size! Some of the most hardcore athletes in the world will actually bring their fast food meals with them to the gym so that they continue to stay in a state of anabolism! That’s no joke, its what they do to obtain freaky big size( you can’t pick that up in a text book)!
Junk food is so calorie dense, that if you maintain a high protein intake you can gain quite a bit of muscle mass off the stuff. Take the Austrian Oak for example. When he went in the military, all they had was junk food. However, he had to eat, or he couldn’t continue to grow. He rolled up his sleeves and ate as much of these foods as possible, and ended up putting on about 40 pounds! More than he had ever gained!
Am I telling you to go out and start eating junk food? No and no wise although you may advance to a point in which it is necessary). What I am telling you, is that you are going to have to eat like you want to be freaky, or you will never be freaky! If you can’t finish your meal, tuff! Rest pause for 5 minutes and force it down. There is no excuse for not gaining mass, you just need to do what it takes to gain it!
So do it.,,quit posting it,,go do it,,You're legs will be thanking me.
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You Wanna Be Freaky? Then You Gotta Eat Freaky!
We have now entered what many deem as the most difficult aspect of this sport.
I've said this before, and I will say it again, you cannot get a highly competitive physique and maintain your abs all year long! It doesn’t work that way. And unfortunately, the majority of today’s magazines make this out to be the case.
The quickest way to gain mass is to eat, like you have never eaten before, and ask questions latter! If you have ever been to Venice Beach, you will understand exactly what I am talking about. Bodybuilders are absolute tanks in the off season!
I’m not sure how many of you are familiar with Ian Harrison, but he is actually one of the founders of the massive physiques you see on stage today. He is one of the first athletes to bulk up to over 320 pounds on a consistent basis, and as far as pure size is concerned, he was right up there with Yates, Rhul, and Nasser. Ian has stated that he literally doesn’t care what he looks like in the off season, as long as he’s gaining size. In fact he has been quoted with eating three liters of ice cream a day while bulking. Literally, as long as he doesn’t throw it up, he will eat it!
And even then he may force feed it. During a seminar he told a very inspiring story. He ate 30 desiccated liver tablets, felt sick and threw them up. They went flying across the room. What did he do? Casually rinsed them off, and re-downed them, because he knew that was what it would take for him to get the physique he wanted. Ian has a difficult time gaining weight, so he did what it took to gain it!
“ If you want to be one of the big boys, you can't just say eat when you are hungry. Or I'll just eat this, or I'm full, I can't eat that. You've got to just eat it. You're not eating cause you like it, you're eating to grow! If you have to force feed yourself, then do it! When I stopped competing it took me months to regain my appetite. I mean since I was 15 I force fed myself constantly, and you get to hate the idea of eating. But that’s what it took“
Quote - Ian Harrison
It’s a fact that bodybuilders do not stay within 5-10 pounds of their contest shape, not if they are one of the monsters up there. Ian has an extremely insane regimen, in which he eats anything he can get his hands on all day, and essentially just makes sure that he gets 50 grams of protein in him every two hours to keep his amino acid intake up.
Lee Priest is the same way, in one interview he stated that he had lost, something like 300 pounds over the last three years! That’s insane! But do you think he could have developed a physique that freaky by staying lean all year long? Absolutely not! If you have ever seen his videos, you know that Lee feasts on Kentucky Fried Chicken, Mc Donalds, and other tasty food sources in the off season. One of my favorite quotes from him during a contest was this:
Just three more days, and no more chicken and rice. Actually I will eat chicken, but it will be Kentucky, and I will have rice, but it’ll be fried. “
Lee’s got a good sense of humor. Another story that comes to mind is Mike Mattarazzos off season shakes! Here is a quote from the man with the freakiest arms of all time!
If I couldn't finish a meal during the day, I would put a cup and a half of apple juice in the blender -- and this is the honest-to-God truth -- and throw steaks, fish, whatever I couldn't chew, into the blender. Then I would hold my nose and suck it down. That's a fact. Many times I puked that stuff back up, but it did the job….If you have been working hard in the gym, but you're not making the gains you want, there's one very simple reason: You're not eating enough.
As you have also noticed and heard, many bodybuilders eat junk food in the off season, because it is impossible to stay clean and get the amount of calories needed for these mammoths to gain size! Some of the most hardcore athletes in the world will actually bring their fast food meals with them to the gym so that they continue to stay in a state of anabolism! That’s no joke, its what they do to obtain freaky big size( you can’t pick that up in a text book)!
Junk food is so calorie dense, that if you maintain a high protein intake you can gain quite a bit of muscle mass off the stuff. Take the Austrian Oak for example. When he went in the military, all they had was junk food. However, he had to eat, or he couldn’t continue to grow. He rolled up his sleeves and ate as much of these foods as possible, and ended up putting on about 40 pounds! More than he had ever gained!
Am I telling you to go out and start eating junk food? No and no wise although you may advance to a point in which it is necessary). What I am telling you, is that you are going to have to eat like you want to be freaky, or you will never be freaky! If you can’t finish your meal, tuff! Rest pause for 5 minutes and force it down. There is no excuse for not gaining mass, you just need to do what it takes to gain it!
let me fix this wonderful speech and add some reality that with out it you will never be big,,you may very well be fat and in america fat and big is same thing but if you truly aim at getting big you have to be on the following
1. CONSTANT USE OF HORMONES,,WITH OUT THEM YOU WILL EITHER BE VERY FAT OR THIN TO ATHLETIC...USUALLY THE ATHLETIC LOOK IS ON SMALL TO AVERAGE DOSES OF ORALS BUT THATS FOR A DIFF DAY
2. YOU HAVE TO EAT TRUE BUT WITH OUT ADUCATE LEVEL OF HORMONES AND IF NOT TAKING ENOUGH HORMONES IN RELASHION TO YOUR LEAN MUSCLE MASS YOU WILL ONLY GROW FAT AND NOT GROW BIG
3. FORCE FEED IS VERY GOOD BUT IT WILL DO NOTHING TO YOU WITH OUT GROWTH HORMONE AND INSULIN FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY T3 ,,,A MUST ON ALL 3 AND WITH OUT THEM YUO WILL NEVER SEE THE NUBER 250LB AT SINGLE DIGT UYNLESS YOU ARE 6'9 ANTENA AND EVEN THEN YOU WONT IN MOST CASES
4. WHEN EATING A LOT YOU CAN NOT EAT CLEAN ,,,NO ONE DOES IT BUT IF YOU EAT YOUR CHINEASE MEAL YOUR BURGER AND YORU ICECREAM AND DONT KNOW YOUR HORMONES AND THEIR BI PRODUTS YOU WILL GET FAT AND DO NOTHING AT ALL,,,IF YOU EAT CLEAN YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO EAT A LOT PERIOD
5. IF NATURAL EATING CLEAN AND A LOT ONLY MAKE YOU QUIT BODYBUIULDING BECAUSE YOU WONT GROW ALTHOUGH WILL PUSH INTO YOURSELF A LOT OF CALORIES AND EVN THOUGH GOOD ONES THEY WONT HELP WHEN YOURE NATURAL AND OVER 25
6. YOU CAN SIT IN THE KITCHEN AND DRINK ALL YOUR MEALS AND MAKE SURE YOU GET IN 5000 CALORIES AND IT WILL BE SAME EXACXT AS SOLID FOOD AS LONG AS YOU DO IT EVERY 2-3 HOURS INSTED OF EVERY 3-4 HOURS,,
7. THE ABOVE NUMBER 6 WONT HELP YOU IF YOURE NATURAL ONLY HORMONIZED,,,AND IF HORMONIZED 10 PAPETI FOODS EGGWHITES SMALL PACKAGES A DAY EAILY DRINKABLE WILL DO WHAT ANY OTHER PROTIEN DOES ONLY BETER...IT NATURAL FOOD AND BETTER THAN PROTIEN POWDER
8. ALL THE LIFTERS WHO GET UP IN WEIGHT TO THE 300LB BETTER HAVE THE MUSCLE SHAPE NEEDED OTHER WIZE THEY WILL FOREVER BE TROPOPINED AND BY THAT I MEAN SIMPLY DONT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE A PROFESSIONAL NO MATTER HOW MUCH KNOWLEDGE THEY POSES
9. ALWAYS REMEMBR THAT ON EVERY GIANT THERE IS THIS 156 POUNDER IN THE GYM THAT WASH THE FLOOR WITH HIM,,,IT IS ALL IN THE SYMETRY AND THE MUSCLE SHAPE WITH GOOD FOUNATION A MUST
10. BODYBUILDING IS ILLUSION ,,IF YOU CANT BE 220 LB AND LOOK 240LB ....THEN BODYBUILDING IS NOT FOR YOU FRIENDS
THIS IS REALITY FRIENDS,,,,PUSH IN CALORIES IS ALL GOOD AND NICE,,,BUT YOU BETTER HAVE ENOUGH HORMONES AND YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU TRAIN SLEEP THINK AND DO ONLY BODYBUILDING,,NO ONE TRULY NEED 300LB IN OFFSEASON ,,,IF YOU GOT IT YOU GOT IT ...SEE STEVE REEVES ...SEE ARNOLD....SEE FRANK ZANE.,....MOST GUYS WHO GO UP TO 300LB OR EVEN 270LB ARE USUALLY THINKING THAT BY ADDING WEIGHT THEY WILL COVER BAD BODY PARTS...THEY WILL MAKE THINGS THAT ARE NOT THERE SUDDENLY APPEAR,,,,,THIS FRIENDS IS NOT BODYBUILDING IT HAS A NAME AND IT IS CALLED
POWER LIFTING
I LIKE POWERLIFTING BUT POWERLIFTING IS NO BODYBUILDING ,,,BOTH HAVE THEIR PLACE AND BOTH KIND OF LIFTERS HAVE MY RESPECT YET THE APPROACH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT
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So do it.,,quit posting it,,go do it,,You're legs will be thanking me.
(http://gonzo.uni-weimar.de/~gleisber/Grafik/Foren/owned/owned09.jpg)
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hahahahahhahahahahahaha
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6. YOU CAN SIT IN THE KITCHEN AND DRINK ALL YOUR MEALS AND MAKE SURE YOU GET IN 5000 CALORIES AND IT WILL BE SAME EXACXT AS SOLID FOOD AS LONG AS YOU DO IT EVERY 2-3 HOURS INSTED OF EVERY 3-4 HOURS,,
With all due respect, Great GH15, I am not so sure about that one
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Thought I would chime in on this one...
Just an interesting thought.... In Andreas Munzer's last interview before he died... he told John Balik that he would never go above 15 pounds his normal contest weight....that way he didnt have to suffer when he was forced to reduce.
It has been my obesrevation that while you cant, (realisticly speaking), gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, you can however gain muscle while staying realtively lean. There doesnt seem to be any rational reason to get too fat in the offseason to make gains....even if this approach was slightly more condusive to muscle growth....it stands to reason that anything gains would be lost to the extra time dieting...
Of course what/amount of chemicals one may be taking can add a lot of varience to this....
M!
"Only out of chaos; can a dancing star be born."
Nietzsche
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what a freaking LOSER that guy interviewin Trey is...he makes the dumbest comments and then at the end tries to grab his cheeks and give him a kiss. trey should have just leveled his ass right there. dumbass.
yeah were did they find that homo?? :-\
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What a Fukin Clown the dude asking questions tries to say he is 225 of muscle and Trey says he is 315 both are idiots. ::)
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To many people who comment on the varous boards, Trey seems to be carrying a higher % of bodyfat than other bodybuilders in the offseason.
No doubt he can diet it away. The question remains: What is the optimal bf % for making offseason muscle gains?
The question has no answer that can be applied to every individual at all times just like all specific questions regarding human physiology.
There is NO way to know how many calories to consume at a given time to optimize lean muscle gain and minimize body fat. That is why a caloric surplus with a buffer is the best way to opitmize lean tissue gain. Yes, there are exceptions, but that is a general fact which can and should be applied if ultimate size is one's goal.
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I always said that MattT should stop fucking around in the natty organisations and start competing in the CBBF !
his physique with ultra drum tight conditionning = welterweight winner
here is the picture of Yannick Brisson from my gym who won the welters at the canadian nationals, MattT needs to be this sharp ! (Yannick in the middle)
(http://www.cbbf.ca/images_photos/2007cdns/2007cdns_45.jpg)
He looks great, nice overall size and shape.
Chris
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The question has no answer that can be applied to every individual at all times just like all specific questions regarding human physiology.
There is NO way to know how many calories to consume at a given time to optimize lean muscle gain and minimize body fat. That is why a caloric surplus with a buffer is the best way to opitmize lean tissue gain. Yes, there are exceptions, but that is a general fact which can and should be applied if ultimate size is one's goal.
well said.................... .......
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interesting.
just seems like there should a bodyfat range where the body creates muscle better.
ok....
Can we then say that the body creates muscle just as efficiently at 15% as it does at 60% bodyfat?