Obama 08 bitches!!!!
Why am I not surprised you support Obama? :-\ But wait a minute, he's from Kenya, you're from Ethiopia...aren't those two countries enemies?
Hahahaha...epic tribal warfare!
Indeed! ;D
Thanks for showing my picture in every thread you post in mate. After all how much more attention can a 120LB man like me get... :P
No problem. I always try to help the underprivileged :DHAHA!
No problem. I always try to help the underprivileged :D
hehe
Hey Panda, how can I get as big as you!!! Come on, don't keep it a secret!!
Eat one double cheeseburger between every set. Never fails :P
It has begun, as 240 predicted. Hilary will enter the convention with 40% or so of the votes, and will demand the party elders construct the ticket so she is on as VP.
This morning she began her campaign of listing their similarities and saying "WE need to unite the party".
Camp Hilary will demand the VP slot or threaten to split up the party. Obama won't have the required 2200 delegates to outright win, and in order to prevent a messy scenario, the party elders (Gore, edwards and others) will cave.
The ticket will be Obama/Clinton in 2008.
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Good stuff !!
So anyway are you training for anything? contests?
I LOVE IT. ALL HAIL PRESIDENT HUSSEIN OBAMA. The funny thing is he calls himseld a Christain but we all know he is muslim on the inside. he only adoted christianity to run in USA politics. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Naw man, just lift for the fun of it. All bullshitting aside, I do have respect for people who diet down to sub 10% BF. Takes a lot of discipline.
you need to learn few things about america
jews must be with you to be elected,,jews dont like barak
you have to have little experience but barak doesnt have little experience ,,no one knows anything about him ,,,he does sound smart but no real substance of experience and action
americans love independent and war heros ,,true war heros
americans ,,especially whites can not mentaly vote for someone black and with middle name of arab origin ,,,for the white american its like giving the country to the saudi family,,,will never happen
obama has 2 things going for him
economy
media love stories such as this inaddition to the era we are in which is generation nothingness,,,it is a plys for him
over all mccain should win this election 60 to 40 % in the worst casse
The ticket will be Obama/Clinton in 2008.
yes it will, and that's a good thing. they'll win in a landslide, especially if 72 year old McCain is forced by the right wing to pick someone like Huckabee. The only thing that might make it close is for McCain to pick a non-white male for his VP.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. McCain-Huckabee is probably stronger than any other combo out there.
yes it will, and that's a good thing. they'll win in a landslide, especially if 72 year old McCain is forced by the right wing to pick someone like Huckabee. The only thing that might make it close is for McCain to pick a non-white male for his VP.
No I am not. Independents aren't afraid of Hilary as the right wants to believe. But they are very much afraid of the theocrats. A war-monger and a theocrat is not a winning ticket.
friend,,if the promising black boy put the demon on the ticket it is done for him,,she will lose this election if she is on the ticket wether for her or for him,,right now the economy in america is so bad that barak has about 30-40% to really become president,,,she will bring the chance down to the 10% ,,right now barak can even bring up his chances to the convention and all that mess and really be contender and have about 40 solid % to become president ,,,as crazy as it is with no experience he will have about 40% ,,,she can not be on ticket though
then again ........
barak hussaun obama?
nah not in this life time ,,not in america of 2008
economy has to be bad as in over 4 $ per gallon of fuel for it to become reality and it wont have time for that since mccain is independent
The latest polls indicate that McCain is just as popular among the independents as Obama. Or slightly more so, but I might have blocked that part out.
And Huckabee might play better in the Bible Belt than Obama-Clinton.
And Huckabee might play better in the Bible Belt than Obama-Clinton.
A war-monger and a theocrat is not a winning ticket.
It has begun, as 240 predicted. Hilary will enter the convention with 40% or so of the votes, and will demand the party elders construct the ticket so she is on as VP.Not a chance. Barack doesn't like the bitch, and with her gigantic ego, likely would not accept the VP spot after feeling she was "entitled" to be president for the past year.
This morning she began her campaign of listing their similarities and saying "WE need to unite the party".
Camp Hilary will demand the VP slot or threaten to split up the party. Obama won't have the required 2200 delegates to outright win, and in order to prevent a messy scenario, the party elders (Gore, edwards and others) will cave.
The ticket will be Obama/Clinton in 2008.
Not a chance. Barack doesn't like the bitch, and with her gigantic ego, likely would not accept the VP spot after feeling she was "entitled" to be president for the past year.
Obama should choose, Kathleen Sebelius, the governor from Kansas. It would be the perfect ticket.
Sebelius is a clinton supporter to the core.Get the facts right. Sebelius endorsed Obama and campaigned with him in Kansas, helping him win that state.
Plus, Obama might not have say in it. He can't win the 2200 req'd delegates to automatically secure the nomination. hilary's kept it close enough.
And yes, she has a giant ego, BUT given the choice of being VP or having to return to senate, she'll take the VP. Remember - Dick Cheney has made it so that the 2009 vice President will be a very powerful person.
On the one hand:
Clinton for President with Obama as VP... unelectable.
and
Obama for President with Clinton as VP... possibly electable.
...on the other hand:
McCain for President with Huckabee as VP... also unelectable.
and
McCain for President with Condoleeza Rice as VP... also possibly electable.
However:
Obama for President with AnyoneOtherThanHillary as VP beats McCain no matter who his running mate is.
My considered opinion would be that Obama's AnyOneOtherThanHillary of choice should be Ralph Nader. This avoids the contentious splitting of the Democrat vote that arguably cost John Kerry the 2004 election. It also has the benefits of protecting Obama (which vested interest is going to assassinate/impeach him if the alternative is ultra-liberal Nader... might as well have Michael Moore in the White House) and it rehabilitates (in a way) the man who most pundits (politics aside) would agree is the most respected liberal icon of the 20th century (if not a front runner for greatest living American).
As long as America shuns people like Ralph Nader, America is lost.
What most Europeans like about Obama is the hope (spurred by the vagueness of his policy details) that he will move America away from it's current path (a faltering fascist state in all but name moving towards becoming a regressive/oppressive theocratic idiocracy) towards a more liberal, compassionate, realistic form of government.
We here in Ireland (and Britain) have always looked west for inspiration... let's privatise public transport, LIKE THEY'RE DOING IN AMERICA... let's privatise healthcare, LIKE THEY'RE DOING IN AMERICA... let's cut taxes, LIKE THEY'RE DOING IN AMERICA... let's offer tax incentives and government dig-outs to multinational corporations LIKE THEY'RE DOING IN AMERICA.
Well now it's thirty years later... and guess what? AMERICA'S FUCKED! And the shiny Yankee social policies we all jumped on are failing here as badly as they failed Stateside.
The highly respected historian Jared Diamond (author of "Guns, Germs and Steel") writing in his treatise on the dynamics of human civilization/population cycles, his recent book "Collapse (Why Civilizations Choose to Fail)" made a well argued and plausible assessment of America's prospects of surviving the next century: 50/50!
Meanwhile there's been a quiet revolution in the Scandinavian countries based on sensible long-term thinking and non-sensationalist politics.
Here's an example, the United Nations (WHO) rankings of the best healthcare systems in the world for 2006: (take the time to read it)
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
...guess which country spends more than any other country on healthcare (both per capita and as a percentage of GDP; even adjusted for cost of living)? Yes, it's number 37! Guess which countries have free universal healthcare? Yes, that's right... the whole top twenty.
But America simply can't have universal healthcare because the vested interests behind FOX NEWS hired wordsmiths and propagandists who re-labelled the idea "Socialised Medicine"; as if it's only to be considered something that failed in communist countries.
Here's the "Peace" ranking (how unlikely you are to be drafted/invaded):
1 Norway
2 New Zealand
3 Denmark
4 Ireland
5 Japan
6 Finland
7 Sweden
8 Canada
9 Portugal
10 Austria ...notice all the same countries in the top ten this time around? Well you should as European (Scandinavian countries in particular) dominate the top rankings in just about every favourable living index: longevity; wealth; health; education; literacy; child mortality; crime rates; prison population; even "happiness".
by the way, the US ranks 96th on the Peace Index.
To prove my point, here's the rankings of most LIVABLE countries... considering a weighted formula of crime; life expectancy; wealth; education; health; benefits etc etc
1 Iceland
2 Norway
3 Australia
4 Canada
5 Ireland
6 Sweden
7 Switzerland
8 Japan
9 Netherlands
10 France ...the US ranks 12th and only due to it's sheer wealth and a misleading averaging of results that doesn't properly represent the growing disparity and inequalities in American society.
Hopefully Obama has been so coy with his agenda as he is actually smart enough to know that what America needs to prevent its collapse is what it fears most:
-liberalism
-atheism (goodbye jeebus!)
-high taxes that are fair and redistribute wealth
-proper eductaion: nationalised and properly funded
-universal healthcare: nationalised and properly funded
-gun control
-"BIG" government
-strict controls on corporations
-strict controls on vested interests
-strict controls on the military/industrial complex
-pluralist media (goodbye Rupert Murdoch!)
-proper separation of church and state
-an end to tax exemption for religions
-science education
-equality
...or to put it more succinctly; America (and the world at large) needs a Scandinavian mindset.
...if America can embrace all these things, a cull of the low IQ breeding stock might be averted.
End of lecture...
The Luke
Luke, I am both European and American and you are wrong.
The size of the USA, both spatially and demographically as well as a radically different history prevent the implementation of the things you suggested a la Norway (and I love Scandinavia). Denmark and Norway have less than 10 million people, significantly less. France has less than a quarter of the American population. No, you are comparing apples and oranges. The USA cannot and will never gravitate to Western European styles of doing things. Atheism or non-belief as a majority consensus in the USA? You must be living in lala land. That will never happen (and more's the shame). You are right that in those countries, those systems work fairly well. What the USA needs and what would be most plausible would be a return to individual state sovereignty where the great majority of decisions would fall state side; in such a case each state would be its own country, more or less. However even that is unlikely to happen. The USA is fucked.
If the states were given sovereignty then we'd have the Sovereign Nazi-style Evangelical Fascist Theocratic Coalition (formerly known as Middle Ameica) at war with both the United Homosexual-Tolerant Jewish Alliance (formerly known as the West Coast) and the Homosexual-Tolerant United Jewish Alliance (formerly known as the East Coast).
The entire world is moving towards an integrated world government.
Europe, through the efforts of the EU is effectively the United States of Europe.
China, India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and Russia will soon extend their trade agreements to form a Eurasian Block.
The African League gains political clout every year.
Climate change will bring Canada under increasing pressure from resource hungry America and that will lead to the integration of the EU and Canada with Australia (and possibly Japan) joining soon afterwards.
The only place deliberately marching backwards is the US.
The facts are simple: a well educated, stable and wealthy society quickly becomes athiest; socialist and tolerant.
We should all be following Norway's lead... they're doing something right, and it can be adapted (population /demographic differences notwithstanding) to any and all other countries. If Americans are too religious, then educate them. If Americans are too stupid for education, then implement a eugenics program (or at the very least actively combat the dysgenia).
There's no choice in any of this... as the alternative is an increasingly unstable country in an increasingly stable world. The only real question is whether any of this will matter. Technological advancement and the approaching AI Singularity might well make all such discussions moot within this new century.The Luke
If the states were given sovereignty then we'd have the Sovereign Nazi-style Evangelical Fascist Theocratic Coalition (formerly known as Middle Ameica) at war with both the United Homosexual-Tolerant Jewish Alliance (formerly known as the West Coast) and the Homosexual-Tolerant United Jewish Alliance (formerly known as the East Coast).
The entire world is moving towards an integrated world government.
Europe, through the efforts of the EU is effectively the United States of Europe.
China, India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and Russia will soon extend their trade agreements to form a Eurasian Block.
The African League gains political clout every year.
Climate change will bring Canada under increasing pressure from resource hungry America and that will lead to the integration of the EU and Canada with Australia (and possibly Japan) joining soon afterwards.
The only place deliberately marching backwards is the US.
The facts are simple: a well educated, stable and wealthy society quickly becomes athiest; socialist and tolerant.
We should all be following Norway's lead... they're doing something right, and it can be adapted (population /demographic differences notwithstanding) to any and all other countries. If Americans are too religious, then educate them. If Americans are too stupid for education, then implement a eugenics program (or at the very least actively combat the dysgenia).
There's no choice in any of this... as the alternative is an increasingly unstable country in an increasingly stable world. The only real question is whether any of this will matter. Technological advancement and the approaching AI Singularity might well make all such discussions moot within this new century.
The Luke
Why am I not surprised you support Obama? :-\ But wait a minute, he's from Kenya, you're from Ethiopia...aren't those two countries enemies?
hilary is going to be on the ticket, kids. she vowed to take it all the way to denver now.not a chance
more and more....
NBC reporting on rumbles from camp clinton about neither candidate getting the 2,025 required delegates, and making it a 'resume war' about the 'body of work' of each candidate, if the difference in superdelegates is 'neglibable', or less than 100.
hilary is going to be on the ticket, kids. she vowed to take it all the way to denver now.
They're going to have to do a re-vote in MI and FLA but I think she's going to win. The media love affair with Obama is over. The Saturday Night Live deal sealed it. That could be something that politico's talk about like the Nixon-Kennedy debate, should he loose.All the do-overs and SNL skits in the world won't change the pledged delegate count. ;) Victories in Wyoming today, MS on Tuesday, and the media's increased reporting that Obama did indeed win TX spells continued momentum and doom for Clinton.
Ok sure....his staff is killing him and the media honeymoon is over. Wait until they dig. There is plenty of dirt and very little substance..plus u really think u can't count Hil out. Hope is not a method.All that and a bag of Doritos won't change the delegate count. ;)
Ok sure....his staff is killing him and the media honeymoon is over. Wait until they dig. There is plenty of dirt and very little substance..plus u really think u can't count Hil out. Hope is not a method.
Camp Clinton can't figure out how to attack this guy...atleast up until 2 weeks or so ago. He has ties to the weather underground folks...ties to an avowed communist...
...why are Americans so scared of communists?
Everything about Communism is against the values and principals our country was founded upon.
Camp Clinton can't figure out how to attack this guy...atleast up until 2 weeks or so ago. He has ties to the weather underground folks...ties to an avowed communist...his ties to the unual dem party hack in Illinois, all of which have been ignored. Then there is the fact that the media has ignored his lack of record and substance. Its all going away...maybe it will get swept under the rug again if he gets the nomination. How do u successfully attack a black candidate...a candidate that shares roughly the same beliefs as u do...thats something they have not figured out.
...everything? At it's core communism is little more than advanced socialism.
As a democratic, socialist, secular state, the US would have more in common with a (true) communist state than it would have with say, an absolutist monarchy... or a fascist state for that matter (although the argument could be made that America is now a de facto fascist state itself maintaining a pretense of democracy).
The values and principles America was founded upon (which it has now for the most part abandoned) were those of Freemasonry.
The Luke
Why would FOX news ignore these facts?
They seem to LOVE to embarass Hilary and Obama all the time. Even the file footage they show of them always makes Hilary look older, and obama look 'darker', than the CNN and MSNBC footage.
If he's shady, why is FOX hiding it? I mean, I'm not crazy about any of the candidates, and many military folks have said they hate obama cause he's a muslim, etc... but I want to see facts... what is all this dirt, and why won't FOX news report it?
It's because there's nothing there. ;)
that would mean that all these folks who have been saying for a year that "obama has skeletons in his closet" and "he's a muslim" and "he's evil, you'll find out" were all wrong.
were you wrong, HH6?
Where are these stories, and more importantly, why won't FOX news even report it?
He's waiting for Hannity to let him know.... :-[
Ur counting out Hil and thats a mistake....u have no idea what she might be up to. On paper ur right..and if things were even..maybe ur right again. She's the best politician in this fight so we'll see.
Luke, you should post more often. The few times I've read your stuff, I've really enjoyed it. :)
...you do know that I'm a thirty-year-old live-at-home loser who works minimum wage jobs to fund his hobby of traipsing across the globe hunting for lost treasure troves and Sasquatch, don't you????
The Luke
...you do know that I'm a thirty-year-old live-at-home loser who works minimum wage jobs to fund his hobby of traipsing across the globe hunting for lost treasure troves and Sasquatch, don't you?
The Luke
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You two should get your own board...or a room. :P
...no post of my legs up yet.I would think most people around the world are rather myopic when dealing with domestic issues and concerns. Maybe Americans moreso...maybe not. We don't have the perspective of being able to look at ourselves from a distance as you do being in Europe.
If you watch the Simpsons... Comic Book Guy. That's what I look like, balding; fat; bearded (except I'm only 5').
The reason why I'm so interested in these threads is because as a European, I'm continually amazed at how indoctrinated Americans (of both stripes) seem to be. It's not just entrenched political viewpoints, it's dogmatized entrenched THINKING.
Americans are seemingly so misinformed that they don't seem to understand that America is not a microcosm of the world at large... it's a weird Twilight Zone that borders reality.
In most of Europe Ralph Nader would be considered right wing... you guys make fun of the French; try visiting France. They're not arrogant, they're cultured... and yes, to put it bluntly, they ARE better than you so it's not a character fault if they also happen to think so.
Gotta admit though, Ron Paul or Ralph Nader as Obama's VP would be a dream ticket.
The Luke
I meant more along the lines of FOX News... less myopia, more a case of propaganda.FOX News is garbage wrapped in a nice little bow of very pretty and usually very blonde news bunnies to make the right-wing nonsense they spew more palatable. Don't worry, only a certain segment of the American population gets their news from Rupert Murdoch's news outlet. There are other channels to choose from that are not as nauseating. Consider yourselves fortunate to not see FOX, as many of us ARE fortunate to see BBC News.
FOX News can't even be broadcast here in Europe... it breaches the legislated requirement that news coverage be "fair and balanced". Yet Americans utilise this filth as informing (if not shaping) their world view.
The Luke
I meant more along the lines of FOX News... less myopia, more a case of propaganda.
FOX News can't even be broadcast here in Europe... it breaches the legislated requirement that news coverage be "fair and balanced". Yet Americans utilise this filth as informing (if not shaping) their world view.
The Luke
...no post of my legs up yet.
If you watch the Simpsons... Comic Book Guy. That's what I look like, balding; fat; bearded (except I'm only 5').
The reason why I'm so interested in these threads is because as a European, I'm continually amazed at how indoctrinated Americans (of both stripes) seem to be. It's not just entrenched political viewpoints, it's dogmatized entrenched THINKING.
Americans are seemingly so misinformed that they don't seem to understand that America is not a microcosm of the world at large... it's a weird Twilight Zone that borders reality.
In most of Europe Ralph Nader would be considered right wing... you guys make fun of the French; try visiting France. They're not arrogant, they're cultured... and yes, to put it bluntly, they ARE better than you so it's not a character fault if they also happen to think so.
Gotta admit though, Ron Paul or Ralph Nader as Obama's VP would be a dream ticket.
The Luke
If Ralph Nader is considered "right wing" in Europe then you guys are in a lot more trouble than I thought.Europe rocks! 8)
No wonder the durkas are taking over.
...no post of my legs up yet.
If you watch the Simpsons... Comic Book Guy. That's what I look like, balding; fat; bearded (except I'm only 5').
The reason why I'm so interested in these threads is because as a European, I'm continually amazed at how indoctrinated Americans (of both stripes) seem to be. It's not just entrenched political viewpoints, it's dogmatized entrenched THINKING.
Americans are seemingly so misinformed that they don't seem to understand that America is not a microcosm of the world at large... it's a weird Twilight Zone that borders reality.
In most of Europe Ralph Nader would be considered right wing... you guys make fun of the French; try visiting France. They're not arrogant, they're cultured... and yes, to put it bluntly, they ARE better than you so it's not a character fault if they also happen to think so.
Gotta admit though, Ron Paul or Ralph Nader as Obama's VP would be a dream ticket.
The Luke