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Title: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 28, 2008, 09:31:05 AM
Stats:

5"8"

215

bodyfat% 6-8%
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: kiwiol on February 28, 2008, 09:32:17 AM
Stats:

5"8"

215

bodyfat% 6-8%

Look great man. Natural?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: XFACTOR on February 28, 2008, 09:32:40 AM
Look great man.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on February 28, 2008, 09:33:51 AM
Excellent build man!!

Show the wheels!! How old?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Stark on February 28, 2008, 09:34:59 AM
very good looking big as a house brother.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Trev on February 28, 2008, 09:37:29 AM
Great Physique man.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: StillTippin on February 28, 2008, 09:37:39 AM
Damn good build there.  Natty or not.  Although I'll guess not.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 28, 2008, 09:39:21 AM
I'm 25 and I have more pics no not natty sorry :-\
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: m8 on February 28, 2008, 09:40:05 AM
All drugs  :)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: XFACTOR on February 28, 2008, 09:41:22 AM
All drugs  :)

All jealousy.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: m8 on February 28, 2008, 09:42:05 AM
All jealousy.


Maybe... At least I'm not 5'8  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: XFACTOR on February 28, 2008, 09:42:13 AM
I'm 25 and I have more pics no not natty sorry :-\

Who cares man you look awesome.  The haters are coming get ready.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: StillTippin on February 28, 2008, 09:42:33 AM
All jealousy.


Hahaha
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: chainsaw on February 28, 2008, 09:42:54 AM
Where are the Legs.  I'll comment after I see some leg developement.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 28, 2008, 09:44:45 AM
no sir not all drugs I don't compete so I never took alot of gear and also I am not going for that type of physique of most the modern mass monsters I like the throwbacks like: Arnold, sergio, serge, franco, etc.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on February 28, 2008, 09:44:53 AM
All jealousy.


lol
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: StillTippin on February 28, 2008, 09:45:59 AM
I wouldn't say sorry about not being natural.  Most people could take everything in their local pharmacy and not look like that.  Great shape and structure.  You probably get zero attention from girls though.  ::)  Only thing I can say so far is you maybe need a little more biceps.  Let's see the wheels and back. 
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 28, 2008, 09:46:08 AM
I'll ask just to piss off Stark."What are you runnin?"
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: XFACTOR on February 28, 2008, 09:46:21 AM
Maybe... At least I'm not 5'8  ;D ;D

Funny that few on here can actually give credit to people where it's due.  I assume it comes from knowing you could never achieve something similar.  
The dude looks awesome, it's not even debatable.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on February 28, 2008, 09:46:27 AM
no sir not all drugs I don't compete so I never took alot of gear and also I am not going for that type of physique of most the modern mass monsters I like the throwbacks like: Arnold, sergio, serge, franco, etc.

If you don't compete, why are you juicing?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 28, 2008, 09:49:39 AM
still tippin I get alot of attention from chicks a few say i'm too big but thats just a few with my frame long arms and torso I don't look to compact like some other guys my height
Panda I have juiced in the past and now it's not worth it for exactly that reason
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: McFarland on February 28, 2008, 09:51:29 AM
Hi Darryl Stafford.   ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on February 28, 2008, 09:51:50 AM
Panda I have juiced in the past and now it's not worth it for exactly that reason


Gotcha.  Thanks for the honest answer.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 28, 2008, 09:52:41 AM
whos daryl stafford ???
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: StillTippin on February 28, 2008, 10:00:20 AM
Yeah I was definetly being sarcastic.  I can't see the ladies hating on you too much.  Usually the ones who like the real skinny guys only like that because they are generally easier to control.  I know a few girls that will only date a guy if they think they could take him in a fight. 
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 28, 2008, 10:03:17 AM
Thanx x-factor, still tippin, panda for the comments appreciate the feedback
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: timfogarty on February 28, 2008, 10:04:09 AM
If you don't compete, why are you juicing?

to get big ?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on February 28, 2008, 10:05:11 AM
to get big ?

Nobody likes a smartass, "fogarty" >:(
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: mass 04 on February 28, 2008, 10:05:12 AM
Looking great man.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: nycbull on February 28, 2008, 10:06:49 AM
is geri curl making a comeback?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: CalvinH on February 28, 2008, 10:09:27 AM
You look solid dude.



...now about them jheri curls :o ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 28, 2008, 10:11:02 AM
It's called an s-curl lol
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Butterbean on February 28, 2008, 10:11:22 AM
great physique!
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: McFarland on February 28, 2008, 10:22:35 AM
whos daryl stafford ???


Come on bro you gotta know the legends...
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: CalvinH on February 28, 2008, 10:24:23 AM
It's called an s-curl lol



 ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: ngm21084 on February 28, 2008, 10:27:07 AM
hey bro you look fuckin solid...definetly credit to you....lets see a back and leg shot...
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: arce377 on February 28, 2008, 10:29:03 AM
PED
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Monster_Everything on February 28, 2008, 10:32:58 AM
Good build regardless if he lives next door to roger clemens...
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: m8 on February 28, 2008, 10:39:03 AM
I know a few girls that will only date a guy if they think they could take him in a fight. 

How's that possible?
Even a 120 pound "weakling" would take down a huge fat female.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: chainsaw on February 28, 2008, 10:45:10 AM
Great upper body, where are the leg shots?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: kiwiol on February 28, 2008, 10:45:31 AM
Come on bro you gotta know the legends...

Light heavies can't be legends my friend - I don't recall Darryl winning shows or placing high in pro shows. Correct me if I'm wrong
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: SS on February 28, 2008, 10:47:53 AM
yoked!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: mass 04 on February 28, 2008, 10:49:32 AM
incognegro showers in that shit.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: bigmc on February 28, 2008, 10:50:28 AM
great build

you do well to maintain if you are clean now
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: spinnis on February 28, 2008, 10:52:25 AM
Why whould you have "Negro" in your username ? RACIST!!
...........  ;D



Anyway great shape and great broad shoulders for 5"8 damn thos negro genes.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Big Worm on February 28, 2008, 10:53:21 AM
I'm 25 and I have more pics no not natty sorry :-\
You look great (no homo) .. ! Keep up the good work . Honest ,big,dude !
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2008, 10:53:25 AM
Wow, you look great man.  You compete yet?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Rearden Metal on February 28, 2008, 10:55:03 AM
Gotcha.  Thanks for the honest answer.

Except it's not, he's got lots of oil in the delts still.

Look good tho incog.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Parker on February 28, 2008, 11:23:41 AM
looking good dude. Yeah, you do look like a young Darryl Stafford. Keep it up, Incog
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: m8 on February 28, 2008, 11:24:32 AM
You look great (no homo)

Those who feel the need to justify themselves are the true homos.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: fitfactoryguy on February 28, 2008, 11:26:18 AM
Hey, don't you buy your nutritional supplements from the same place that Arnold's Classic Competitor and new IFBB pro Adorthus Cherry buys his stuff from ;D  (shameless plug)  What up lil brutha?  Looking good dawg.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Big Worm on February 28, 2008, 12:35:36 PM
Those who feel the need to justify themselves are the true homos.
Coming from a f@g? ::) Why am I not surprised at that reply..
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: The Squadfather on February 28, 2008, 12:39:33 PM
All drugs  :)
give the dude some credit he looks fantastic and i wouldn't automatically scream juice, he has development but it's not like he has tremendous thickness or anything, he looks phenomenal.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: anvil on February 28, 2008, 12:43:31 PM
Big dude, doing great man.  Plus, I like your username;  it shows you have a good sense of humor  8)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: ngm21084 on February 28, 2008, 12:43:52 PM
give the dude some credit he looks fantastic and i wouldn't automatically scream juice, he has development but it's not like he has tremendous thickness or anything, he looks phenomenal.

yea your right man he does look phenomenal and i dont why people want to hate and be like all drugs or whatever....is there that much jealousy?...oh squad on a side note i got asked tonight for a spot and i did and i thought of you  ;) ;) ::)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 28, 2008, 12:59:00 PM
Hey, don't you buy your nutritional supplements from the same place that Arnold's Classic Competitor and new IFBB pro Adorthus Cherry buys his stuff from ;D  (shameless plug)  What up lil brutha?  Looking good dawg.

yes I do great supplements and service big ups to the Fit Factory now in two locations
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Special Ed on February 28, 2008, 01:02:03 PM
Dude looks sick. That's how I'd want to look if I were black.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: ngm21084 on February 28, 2008, 01:04:37 PM
Dude looks sick. That's how I'd want to look if I were black.

the fuck does being black have to do with it...id want to look like that know matter what fuckin color i was...
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 28, 2008, 01:07:16 PM
that bro looks phenom.....but he's a buck 185 -190 off the shit
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on February 28, 2008, 01:24:03 PM
that bro looks phenom.....but he's a buck 185 -190 off the shit

Hello Mr Mass Monster ::) ::)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 28, 2008, 01:24:43 PM
Hello Mr Mass Monster ::) ::)
i'm not on the shit negro
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: spinnis on February 28, 2008, 01:30:36 PM
the fuck does being black have to do with it...id want to look like that know matter what fuckin color i was...

No need to go there bro you fucking RACIIIIIIST!
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on February 28, 2008, 01:31:08 PM
i'm not on the shit negro

Oh darn I was hoping you would be nice to me...

As squad would say, ''YOU'RE NOT EXACLTY SMALL YOURSELF, STUD''
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: medz zeppelin on February 28, 2008, 01:32:22 PM
Oh darn I was hoping you would be nice to me...

As squad would say, ''YOU'RE NOT EXACLTY SMALL YOURSELF, STUD''
thanks "big" guy
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: sgt. d on February 28, 2008, 01:44:38 PM
great build but whats up with the curl and sticking lips out? :-\
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Pollux on February 28, 2008, 01:53:04 PM
I'm 25 and I have more pics no not natty sorry :-\

A man straight up who doesn't avoid the question. I respect that.

You look good, brutha!  8)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Pollux on February 28, 2008, 01:57:59 PM
Dude looks sick. That's how I'd want to look if I were black.

But because you're white you're happy with the way you look?  ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Honour on February 28, 2008, 02:31:06 PM
Great Build, prob similar to what a lot of guys on here strive for 8).
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Marty Champions on February 28, 2008, 03:37:45 PM
good job neegar, probably fvcks alot of white black and puerto rican hoes!
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Matt C on February 28, 2008, 03:45:40 PM
Maybe... At least I'm not 5'8  ;D ;D

How tall are you?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Lifter4Life on February 28, 2008, 03:48:29 PM
All jealousy.

ALL IDIOT
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Lifter4Life on February 28, 2008, 03:51:55 PM
Stats:

5"8"

215

bodyfat% 6-8%
Good genetics
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: bigmikecox on February 28, 2008, 04:34:55 PM
Hi Darryl Stafford.   ;D

There is a resemblence....
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Emmortal on February 28, 2008, 04:40:14 PM
Lookin yoked bro, keep it up.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: XFACTOR on February 28, 2008, 04:42:43 PM
ALL IDIOT

  You really are brilliant.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: bigdumbbell on February 28, 2008, 04:50:47 PM
great build but whats up with the curl and sticking lips out? :-\
oh sgt dont be jealous
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: theworm on February 28, 2008, 04:57:01 PM
i know you are not juicing now ;)


but what were your cycles like in the past?


you should compete at getbig3!!! easy ass win.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Epic_Monster on February 28, 2008, 05:16:18 PM
At least he's honest and doesn't claim that natural bullshit!! Awesome name by the way incognegro!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: triple_pickle on February 28, 2008, 05:36:37 PM
Stats:
5"8"
215
bodyfat% 6-8%
arms 18"
legs 19.5"





















just fucking with you bro, you look awesome ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Overload on February 28, 2008, 05:41:46 PM
Fantastic build.

Good work.

8)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: DVSGOD on February 28, 2008, 05:45:25 PM
Bro you look awesome , props to you man  ;)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: sgt. d on February 28, 2008, 06:16:00 PM
oh sgt dont be jealous

sweetie i'm not jealous. he's got one of the best builds on here. now fix me my dinner
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: EL Mariachi on February 28, 2008, 06:27:52 PM
Stats:

5"8"

215

bodyfat% 6-8%

Looking great, question, when you off the cycle for lets say 6 months, how much gains do you keep, can you give a precentage?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: England_1 on February 28, 2008, 07:48:55 PM
great physique.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: progressiv_anatomy on February 29, 2008, 01:38:46 AM
I used to train alonside him from time to time a few years back in Fresno.  Drugs or not, he worked HARD.  And smart.  Always asking questions.  One of the last things he asked me was what I thought he was lacking.  I told him his shoulders were  W-I-D-E  but he needed to bring up his delts.  Looks like he did it.  Big time!   Got pretty lean too.  Way to go, Incognegro.  I hope all is working out for ya bro.  You look damn good.  Keep it going.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Da Freak on February 29, 2008, 04:09:55 AM
you look mudder fuggin good my man....  8)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Tapeworm on February 29, 2008, 04:32:40 AM
Excellent build.  I'm fucking jealous.   :(
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deicide on February 29, 2008, 05:40:14 AM
All genetics... ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 29, 2008, 12:05:37 PM
thanx  for all the comments and positive feedback
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: m8 on February 29, 2008, 12:09:40 PM
thanx  for all the comments and positive feedback

What's with that avatar?
At least 2 persons using it.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on February 29, 2008, 12:14:46 PM
What's with that avatar?
At least 2 persons using it.

m8, he looks great just accept it! Stop hating.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: JasonH on February 29, 2008, 12:37:41 PM
Great physique Incognegro.  8)



Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on February 29, 2008, 03:43:41 PM
Icognegro...a couple of things right off the bat : u cannost maintain that look and not be on anything...as a matter of fact u must be on everything....second...u are eithr Darryl but nowhere near 25...more like 45...or u used someone elses photo which I think u did ....but either case u are full of it.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on February 29, 2008, 03:46:54 PM
sevastase stfu

The truth is he looks 100x better than you.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on February 29, 2008, 03:50:40 PM
sevastase stfu

The truth is he looks 100x better than you.
You don't get it gaylord....the guy in the pic he claims to be is darryl stafford and yes....HE does look amillion x bettah. Again u oppened your mouth a cumdrip too soon.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Anabolic Outlaw on February 29, 2008, 04:36:01 PM

great physique!

It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools. - Ecclesiastes 7:5 (KJV)

Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deadpool on February 29, 2008, 04:38:27 PM
legs, back.  ?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on February 29, 2008, 04:46:12 PM
You don't get it gaylord....the guy in the pic he claims to be is darryl stafford and yes....HE does look amillion x bettah. Again u oppened your mouth a cumdrip too soon.

incognegro does not know who darryl stafford is...
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Benny B on February 29, 2008, 04:47:39 PM
legs, back.  ?
stick to rubbing it off to chicks with big clits, fatty.  ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on February 29, 2008, 06:12:42 PM
no bro I do not claim to be daryl stafford those pics are confirmed to be me from my friends whom also post on here. No D staff is way bigger than me and way bigger than I want to be. I am steady trying to get leaner so I may get smaller so I don't know what % muscle I KEEP I am suprised everyone thinks I'm too big too be off the sauce lol. I am just trying to maintain a healthy look and I know spending money on juice,gh,etc. is not relevant unless I compete so I choose not to do it. I really do appreciate all the positive feedback though
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 01, 2008, 02:55:43 AM
no bro I do not claim to be daryl stafford those pics are confirmed to be me from my friends whom also post on here. No D staff is way bigger than me and way bigger than I want to be. I am steady trying to get leaner so I may get smaller so I don't know what % muscle I KEEP I am suprised everyone thinks I'm too big too be off the sauce lol. I am just trying to maintain a healthy look and I know spending money on juice,gh,etc. is not relevant unless I compete so I choose not to do it. I really do appreciate all the positive feedback though
You are lying through your teeth. Whao u thinku fooling fool ? lookinglike that off juice ?..what are you ? ronnie colemans mutant muscular clone ?....the pic posted by you claiming is u IS DARRYL STAFFORD...contradict me by posting 4 pics with you and your friends or familly. Liar.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: windsor88 on March 01, 2008, 03:19:01 AM
You are lying through your teeth. Whao u thinku fooling fool ? lookinglike that off juice ?..what are you ? ronnie colemans mutant muscular clone ?....the pic posted by you claiming is u IS DARRYL STAFFORD...contradict me by posting 4 pics with you and your friends or familly. Liar.


Yes they are both black but that's it.

Daryl Stafford is here..and that pic is 20 years ago.

(http://musclememory.com/images/current/StaffordDaryl.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=203248.0;attach=236673;image)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Mobil on March 01, 2008, 03:22:55 AM
awsome high blood volume/red blood cells veins from being natural  ;). u look good though either way.....
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Tapeworm on March 01, 2008, 04:01:52 AM
You are lying through your teeth. Whao u thinku fooling fool ? lookinglike that off juice ?..what are you ? ronnie colemans mutant muscular clone ?....the pic posted by you claiming is u IS DARRYL STAFFORD...contradict me by posting 4 pics with you and your friends or familly. Liar.

bitch bitch bitch, and he isn't claiming natty. 

We haven't seen the legs, so you win there ok?  Now stfu.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on March 01, 2008, 05:01:13 AM
bitch bitch bitch, and he isn't claiming natty. 

We haven't seen the legs, so you win there ok?  Now stfu.

 sevastase is a jealous old man.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Tapeworm on March 01, 2008, 05:31:57 AM
He's upset because he's starting to look like the little old bald man that Benny Hill used to pat on the head.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Benny B on March 01, 2008, 06:10:07 AM
You are lying through your teeth. Whao u thinku fooling fool ? lookinglike that off juice ?..what are you ? ronnie colemans mutant muscular clone ?....the pic posted by you claiming is u IS DARRYL STAFFORD...contradict me by posting 4 pics with you and your friends or familly. Liar.
Dude, it is OBVIOUS that the first pic of this thread is NOT Darryl Stafford. What are you smoking? All black people don't look alike.

It is also OBVIOUS that this brother is NOT natural in the pic displayed. But if he wants to be a liar on that issue, that is his business.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 01, 2008, 06:16:51 AM
I paid hima great compliment saying he's darryl....either way the dude lies about clean status..If he was clean he would be looking like Stark ( like shit )
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: gtbro1 on March 01, 2008, 06:18:46 AM
no not natty sorry :-\

  Who Cares? ( except CROATCH) Looking awesome man. Very impressive.



                          P.S.  I Dig the user name. lol
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Marty Champions on March 01, 2008, 06:25:58 AM
dont sweat these stupid white people incognegro

look up to the great WHITE man and get of the Forking juice all you need is WATER and food the body is 80 percent water NOT STEROIDS

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/IMG_3962.jpg)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on March 01, 2008, 07:35:12 AM
He's upset because he's starting to look like the little old bald man that Benny Hill used to pat on the head.



lol sevastase is a bold old c u n t

I paid hima great compliment saying he's darryl....either way the dude lies about clean status..If he was clean he would be looking like Stark ( like shit )


lol you take the juice, but you still look like shit. So what does that say about you old man?
dont sweat these stupid white people incognegro

look up to the great WHITE man and get of the Forking juice all you need is WATER and food the body is 80 percent water NOT STEROIDS

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/IMG_3962.jpg)

Ok big man
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 01, 2008, 08:37:51 AM

lol sevastase is a bold old c u n t


lol you take the juice, but you still look like shit. So what does that say about you old man?
Ok big man
I don't juice....hell..I don'teven lift weights ! So you are 0 and 1 on that one.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on March 01, 2008, 04:25:22 PM
sevastase I'm not a genetic freak nor ronnie colemans mutant child, I did not say I was natural It's obvious that I used gear b4 and I stated that fact. I train 5-6 days a week and do cardio at least 4-5 of those days my diet is fairly clean what more can I say, further I really don't have to explain myself but whats your problem about. ???
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: The Squadfather on March 01, 2008, 04:28:42 PM
sevastase I'm not a genetic freak nor ronnie colemans mutant child, I did not say I was natural It's obvious that I used gear b4 and I stated that fact. I train 5-6 days a week and do cardio at least 4-5 of those days my diet is fairly clean what more can I say, further I really don't have to explain myself but whats your problem about. ???
he's just jealous, don't mind that skinny bald queef you look awesome.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 01, 2008, 11:52:15 PM
sevastase I'm not a genetic freak nor ronnie colemans mutant child, I did not say I was natural It's obvious that I used gear b4 and I stated that fact. I train 5-6 days a week and do cardio at least 4-5 of those days my diet is fairly clean what more can I say, further I really don't have to explain myself but whats your problem about. ???
NOPROBLEM WITH YOU BROTHER...JUST A COUPLE OF THINGIES....POST MOREPICS TO PROVE THAT'S YOU. sECOND....YOU ARE A NATIONAL CALIBER COMPETITOR JUST BY LOOKING AT YOU IN THAT PICTURE. iF SO ..YOU SHOULD TELLUS WHAT CONTEST YOU DID. tHIRD....YOU ARE NOT CLEAN AT ALL, CURRENTLY ON A CYCLE...A SERIOUS ONE THAT IS..WHICH U COULD SHARE WITH US. squadbrother is just fat.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: MisterMagoo on March 01, 2008, 11:54:46 PM
You are lying through your teeth. Whao u thinku fooling fool ? lookinglike that off juice ?..what are you ? ronnie colemans mutant muscular clone ?....the pic posted by you claiming is u IS DARRYL STAFFORD...contradict me by posting 4 pics with you and your friends or familly. Liar.

it ain't stafford. look at the shoulders. stafford's were weak, this dude's stick out like crazy. i do agree that he's lying about being clean, again based on how blown up his shoulders are.

however, clean or juiced the dude looks fantastic. there's nothing to be ashamed of if he says he's on, the guy looks great. congrats all around.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 02, 2008, 12:31:08 AM
it ain't stafford. look at the shoulders. stafford's were weak, this dude's stick out like crazy. i do agree that he's lying about being clean, again based on how blown up his shoulders are.

however, clean or juiced the dude looks fantastic. there's nothing to be ashamed of if he says he's on, the guy looks great. congrats all around.
He does look great.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: windsor88 on March 02, 2008, 12:53:20 AM
He does look great.


Can you take him in GetBig 3?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 02, 2008, 01:10:56 AM
Look great man. Natural?
kiwiol man... natural?  :D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Dballn247 on March 02, 2008, 01:40:30 AM
Fuggin Jacked bro.  I haven't gone through the whole thread but scrolling through the last page to enter my reply I see Sevastase has already melted.  I guess seeing your pics support his own self disdain in respects to his results with 100mgs Dbol/day. Who the fcuk cares if you take drugs? It's a BB forum FFS.  8)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: sgt. d on March 02, 2008, 01:42:22 AM
Fuggin Jacked bro.  I haven't gone through the whole thread but scrolling through the last page to enter my reply I see Sevastase has already melted.  I guess seeing your pics support his own self disdain in respects to his results with 100mgs Dbol/day. Who the fcuk cares if you take drugs? It's a BB forum FFS.  8)

wow no racist comments from dballin :o
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 02, 2008, 01:55:06 AM
Can you take him in GetBig 3?
no.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 02, 2008, 01:55:52 AM
Fuggin Jacked bro.  I haven't gone through the whole thread but scrolling through the last page to enter my reply I see Sevastase has already melted.  I guess seeing your pics support his own self disdain in respects to his results with 100mgs Dbol/day. Who the fcuk cares if you take drugs? It's a BB forum FFS.  8)
I see yuor boytoy neglected you again so u are takingyour fustration out on me hihihihi
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Dballn247 on March 02, 2008, 01:58:25 AM
wow no racist comments from dballin :o

Was there something sgt. d?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 02, 2008, 02:04:16 AM
Was there something sgt. d?
The fact that u feel the need topost your weight in your handle speaks volumes about the major bout of insecurity flowing through the steroid filled body of yours. Prove me wrongby posting a picture so we can marvel at how u look. Wait ! You won'tbecause u scarred people will not think u look as great as u feel it shows in your bedroom mirror  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Dballn247 on March 02, 2008, 02:08:05 AM
Damn, I completely ignored you, but you are such an attention whore, Here's the deal. It's not my weight twink. It's a play on words as in D-boll 24 hrs a day 7 days a week.  Fucktard, you lived on the stuff you should no better.  There is no need to clutter up this guys thread with pictures of you so stop trying to leverage an angle to do so. Take it to the Y if you want to get owned.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Tombo on March 02, 2008, 02:09:05 AM
it ain't stafford. look at the shoulders. stafford's were weak, this dude's stick out like crazy. i do agree that he's lying about being clean, again based on how blown up his shoulders are.

however, clean or juiced the dude looks fantastic. there's nothing to be ashamed of if he says he's on, the guy looks great. congrats all around.

he never claimed to be clean tho!
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deicide on March 02, 2008, 02:37:52 AM
sevastase I'm not a genetic freak nor ronnie colemans mutant child, I did not say I was natural It's obvious that I used gear b4 and I stated that fact. I train 5-6 days a week and do cardio at least 4-5 of those days my diet is fairly clean what more can I say, further I really don't have to explain myself but whats your problem about. ???

You have good genetics. That is a fact.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 02, 2008, 02:52:47 AM
It's not my weight twink. It's a play on words as in D-boll 24 hrs a day 7 days a week.  Tard, you lived on the stuff you should no better.  Stop hijacking this dudes thread. Take it to the Y if you want to get owned.
wow..u were so subtle u really got meon that one hahahaha...loser...I do nottake dbol, and Idon't even lift weights....I do hoever feel sorry for what d bol 24 7 does to you...don't worry man..there's always THE REAL YOU to fall back on after this hormone filled muscle smokescreen comesoff. And out comes the frail insecure trueself.... :-\
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: windsor88 on March 02, 2008, 03:03:33 AM
wow..u were so subtle u really got meon that one hahahaha...loser...I do nottake dbol, and Idon't even lift weights....I do hoever feel sorry for what d bol 24 7 does to you...don't worry man..there's always THE REAL YOU to fall back on after this hormone filled muscle smokescreen comesoff. And out comes the frail insecure trueself.... :-\

Who do you think you are fooling dude.  There are pages on here with your cycle routines.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: muscularny on March 02, 2008, 03:17:45 AM
looking good nice shape but that weight you said of 215lbs def not in those pics more like 200lbs but who cares look is nice
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 02, 2008, 03:23:02 AM
Who do you think you are fooling dude.  There are pages on here with your cycle routines.
I'm telling u straight up dumbo that I'm not taking anything for a while now and do not even lift weights. I did bodybuild in the past. That's all.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Dballn247 on March 02, 2008, 03:53:56 AM
wow..u were so subtle u really got meon that one hahahaha...loser...I do nottake dbol, and Idon't even lift weights....I do hoever feel sorry for what d bol 24 7 does to you...don't worry man..there's always THE REAL YOU to fall back on after this hormone filled muscle smokescreen comesoff. And out comes the frail insecure trueself.... :-\

Are you so delusional that your forgot about this? Monster 13 inch neck btw.

100 mg for 5 weeks...35 lbs gain...keeping all of them...

100 IS A BIT much BUT U HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT i HAVE BEEN THROUGH HEAVY CYCLES IN THE YEARS BEFORE AND FOR GETTING BACK IN SHAPE i'M SURE 50-75 WOULD BE FINE , I CHOSE HOWEVER TO MAXIMIZE GAINS . THE PRICE U PAY IS...HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE ALSO TEST DOES THIS TOO AND YOU GET SUPER IRRITABLE AND AGRESSIVE...I DID EVERYONE A FAVOR AND SHOWED WHAT U CAN GET OUT OF 5 WEEKS AT 100 A DAY MUSCLE MEMORY TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION. THE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE IS : 180 LBS IN THE FIRST PIC...215 IN THE SECOND....ALL THIS AT 5'11" 1/2

Major BS!!!!  190 tops in the second pic. Go back to tennis.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=166920.0;attach=193933;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=166920.0;attach=193934;image)

incognegro, not trying to hijack your thread bro.  This eurotrash queef with his own fitness show ::), need to be outed.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: FullROM on March 02, 2008, 04:53:29 AM
Are you so delusional that your forgot about this? Monster 13 inch neck btw.

Major BS!!!!  190 tops in the second pic. Go back to tennis.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=166920.0;attach=193933;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=166920.0;attach=193934;image)

incognegro, not trying to hijack your thread bro.  This eurotrash queef with his own fitness show ::), need to be outed.

Who is this beast?

He will not recover.. owned
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: gtbro1 on March 02, 2008, 05:08:24 AM
  I'm still laughing at the user ID ...  :D

 
     INCOGNEGRO
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deicide on March 02, 2008, 05:15:59 AM
Without or without chemical aid, Incognegro has good genetics, based on his shape alone.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: KillerMonk on March 02, 2008, 05:35:25 AM
Genetics or he has finished a cycle recently.215 at 5,8 at 6% bodyfat is big.Ive done my fair share juiced or natural you are blessed with great genetics.Well done.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on March 02, 2008, 04:09:49 PM
I will not comment on your accusations a picture is worth a 1000 words the pic just contradicted everything you just said in this thread. If you knew me as a person you would take back everything you just said, You would probably ask me for advice and I would be happen to help you out. it just seems that you life consists of pathetic attempts to discredit any BB who has a great physique or whom is sucessful in their career. I'm not a competitor i was just posting pics because I have been a member since 03 I think and I have never posted a pic If you don't believe me read the thread you see the guys who know me pm them and ask them questions about me and find out for yourself
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: James Blunt on March 02, 2008, 04:13:17 PM
I will not comment on your accusations a picture is worth a 1000 words the pic just contradicted everything you just said in this thread. If you knew me as a person you would take back everything you just said, You would probably ask me for advice and I would be happen to help you out. it just seems that you life consists of pathetic attempts to discredit any BB who has a great physique or whom is sucessful in their career. I'm not a competitor i was just posting pics because I have been a member since 03 I think and I have never posted a pic If you don't believe me read the thread you see the guys who know me pm them and ask them questions about me and find out for yourself
Don't take it so serious. Theres no need to explain yourself someone will just post a meltdown photo. You look great.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: _bruce_ on March 02, 2008, 04:16:02 PM
Looking great - good shape.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Croatch on March 02, 2008, 04:20:49 PM
That's great, post some pictures before using drugs.  I'm curious to see how you really look. ;)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: BayGBM on March 02, 2008, 04:21:27 PM
the Force is with you young incognegro.... but you are not a Jedi yet!  8)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: The Squadfather on March 02, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
the Force is with you young incognegro.... but you are not a Jedi yet!  8)
hahahahha, as opposed to you and your beastly 14 inch arms, 19 inch legs and brutal 192 pounds of skinny/fat physique at 6'1". ::)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on March 02, 2008, 04:31:46 PM
I'll have to find them and scan them on my pc, but I was 215 natural i was considered big but I was probably 15% bodyfat when I was in college.  I went to college back south so I ate alot of soul food after a while I felt like a slug so I did cardio everyday and leaned down to 185 natty had awesome abs I didn't start the O.J. til I was 22
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deicide on March 02, 2008, 08:03:06 PM
I'll have to find them and scan them on my pc, but I was 215 natural i was considered big but I was probably 15% bodyfat when I was in college.  I went to college back south so I ate alot of soul food after a while I felt like a slug so I did cardio everyday and leaned down to 185 natty had awesome abs I didn't start the O.J. til I was 22

All genetics.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 02, 2008, 11:06:20 PM
It seems some of the pussies here are still left with scar tissue after the numerous ownings I gave in the past so they SAVEDmy pics and rumaged through myposts. Well done. If u care enough to save mypics it means I'm very deep inside your skull ( get it?  ;) )
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: haider on March 02, 2008, 11:07:39 PM
It seems some of the pussies here are still left with scar tissue after the numerous ownings I gave in the past so they SAVEDmy pics and rumaged through myposts. Well done. If u care enough to save mypics it means I'm very deep inside your skull ( get it?  ;) )
Well, you do a good job of convincing yourself  ;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: roc on March 02, 2008, 11:10:31 PM
stay strong man. i would kill for a build like that!!!!  strong work!!!
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 02, 2008, 11:12:21 PM
Well, you do a good job of convincing yourself  ;D
your ass still sore ? cause I see your ego is still bruised.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: haider on March 02, 2008, 11:15:08 PM
your ass still sore ? cause I see your ego is still bruised.
:-\

You need to work on your material, I wouldn't really brag about pushin man fudge  :-X
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 03, 2008, 01:53:43 AM
:-\

You need to work on your material, I wouldn't really brag about pushin man fudge  :-X
no neeed to. U answering proves u care. Dontsweat it honey.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on March 03, 2008, 10:44:33 AM
After seeing the Arnold I wish the judges favored the asthetic physiques all be it that Dexter one thats great but when it comes to the olympia the mass monsters have won for the last 15 years. I would like to obtain a more Sergio Oliva like physique and than I would be content
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Earl1972 on March 03, 2008, 12:46:37 PM
great physique

E
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: fitfactoryguy on March 03, 2008, 02:21:34 PM
I know this man personally, he's like family.  I've seen him jacked at around 235 and I've seen him in person (as recently as last week).   I personally like this look on him better.  Great genetics, trains hards, eats right-shit, I even took him to his first pro show.  He doesn't have any aspirations of competing, but would do well if he did.  Those that don't have it tend to hate on those that do,,,,,
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: fitfactoryguy on March 03, 2008, 02:25:37 PM
oh, and lil brutha, don't fool yourself,,,,,you're every bit as big as Daryl Stafford-bout the same height and Daryl competed as a lighthvy, which is where you'd be if you ever decided to get on stage ;)
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on March 03, 2008, 02:45:03 PM
lol  ;D Fit factory guy what did u think about the Arnold
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 04, 2008, 12:46:52 AM
I know this man personally, he's like family.  I've seen him jacked at around 235 and I've seen him in person (as recently as last week).   I personally like this look on him better.  Great genetics, trains hards, eats right-shit, I even took him to his first pro show.  He doesn't have any aspirations of competing, but would do well if he did.  Those that don't have it tend to hate on those that do,,,,,
I think u are fullof shit. Hope this helps
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Tombo on March 04, 2008, 04:55:28 AM
hahahahha, as opposed to you and your beastly 14 inch arms, 19 inch legs and brutal 192 pounds of skinny/fat physique at 6'1". ::)

he's attempting to empower his 'dream guy' squad
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Red Hook on March 04, 2008, 05:02:07 AM
Stats:

5"8"

215

bodyfat% 6-8%

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=203248.0;attach=236673;image)

keep up the hard work, you must be knocking down the young Spanish sluts daily

how much cardio are you doing these days?

natty or not, still impressive for someone that doesn't compete

only on getbig can a guy post his pics, admits to not being a natty and get flamed
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on March 04, 2008, 09:28:52 AM
whats up red hook I try to do 4-5 days of cardio a week at least 30 min each time I like the eliptical machine the best I believe I get the best workout from the eliptical machine
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deadpool on March 04, 2008, 09:41:44 AM
stick to rubbing it off to chicks with big clits, fatty.  ;D

excellent suggestion.  thank you.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: ripitupbaby on March 04, 2008, 10:49:57 AM
Lookin' good.....I'd like to see the wheels and ass too.   8)

Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: fitfactoryguy on March 04, 2008, 11:26:02 AM
well lil brutha, if I were judging that show, and again it's hard to judge from pics/webcast, I've have it:
1-dex,
2-kai (only due to better symmetry and proportions to Branch)
3-branch
4-phil
5-gus
6-tie Moe/Silvio
but my favorite bodybuilder on that stage was my boy Adorthus Cherry, who's gonna bring a more complete package next time out ;)
,,,,,when you coming out to train with us on Saturday??  every Saturday around 3 homie.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: m8 on March 04, 2008, 11:29:19 AM
Lookin' good.....I'd like to see the wheels and ass too.   8)



gayer than respect for women
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on March 04, 2008, 11:30:57 AM
whats up red hook I try to do 4-5 days of cardio a week at least 30 min each time I like the eliptical machine the best I believe I get the best workout from the eliptical machine

Lookin' great bro.

Can I get your opinion on someone's physique.  This is a guy who trolls the alphabet boards on getbig known as "pumphard."  He claims to weigh 365 lbs and be at 17% bodyfat.  I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Big Worm on March 04, 2008, 12:18:48 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=203248.0;attach=236673;image)

keep up the hard work, you must be knocking down the young Spanish sluts daily

how much cardio are you doing these days?

natty or not, still impressive for someone that doesn't compete

only on getbig can a guy post his pics, admits to not being a natty and get flamed
Truest shit I've read on here !
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Big Worm on March 04, 2008, 12:20:22 PM
gayer than respect for women
Gayer than constantly repeating your gayer than line.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deicide on March 04, 2008, 03:07:05 PM
Impressive.

Now, where are the legs??????????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: The ChemistV2 on March 04, 2008, 03:14:19 PM
Guy looks great. Good upper body proportion, lean..no bloat, no gyno. If your legs are decent, then I'm really impressed.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deicide on March 04, 2008, 03:37:24 PM
Guy looks great. Good upper body proportion, lean..no bloat, no gyno. If your legs are decent, then I'm really impressed.

I am almost willing to bet he hardly trains legs.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: HTexan on March 04, 2008, 06:58:27 PM
whats up red hook I try to do 4-5 days of cardio a week at least 30 min each time I like the eliptical machine the best I believe I get the best workout from the eliptical machine
copy cat  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: incognegro on March 06, 2008, 07:25:40 PM
Everytime I try to post any other pics they are too large but I will take more pics of legs etc.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: E N A N T H A T O R on March 06, 2008, 08:02:01 PM
Everytime I try to post any other pics they are too large but I will take more pics of legs etc.
Who cares, get over yourself already. This is what happens when you give props to someone, they keep comming back for more.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Croatch on March 06, 2008, 08:11:04 PM
Probably better than 90% of the people who "compete".
Post some shots of you training natural.  I'm curious to see where you were, minus the easy gains and all. ;)  Good upper body genetics.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Benny B on March 06, 2008, 08:14:21 PM
Everytime I try to post any other pics they are too large but I will take more pics of legs etc.
Fuck the pics, post your cycle bro.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deicide on March 06, 2008, 08:15:21 PM
Probably better than 90% of the people who "compete".
Post some shots of you training natural.  I'm curious to see where you were, minus the easy gains and all. ;)  Good upper body genetics.

He's black, what do you expect?
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: E N A N T H A T O R on March 06, 2008, 08:17:46 PM
He's black, what do you expect?
;D
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: theworm on March 06, 2008, 08:39:37 PM
Fuck the pics, post your cycle bro.

bump for cycle.
Title: Re: Not so Incognito anymore
Post by: Deicide on March 07, 2008, 06:21:48 PM
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????? >:(