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I like what the Niners have done so far. Re-signed DT Isaac Sopoaga (from . . . the University of Hawaii). Signed Isaac Bruce. Just signed Justin Smith.
Will be interesting to see if the Pats let Moss walk.
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Giants lost 2 starting lb's and their starting fs.
Gibril is a heck of a safety but no way in hell were the Giants gonna make him the third highest paid safety in the nfl.
In Reece we trust 8)
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I like what the Niners have done so far. Re-signed DT Isaac Sopoaga (from . . . the University of Hawaii). Signed Isaac Bruce. Just signed Justin Smith.
what exactly do you like?
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what exactly do you like?
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agreed. Is smith gonna play DE?
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what exactly do you like?
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All of them. I like the fact we locked up one of the strongest men in the NFL in Sopoaga to help control the line of scrimmage. I like the fact we signed a proven veteran WR in Bruce who can still play (our WR group stinks). I like the fact we signed a guy in Smith who can play DE, given B-Young's retirement. I like the fact we signed a decent return man in Rossum.
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All of them. I like the fact we locked up one of the strongest men in the NFL in Sopoaga to help control the line of scrimmage. I like the fact we signed a proven veteran WR in Bruce who can still play (our WR group stinks). I like the fact we signed a guy in Smith who can play DE, given B-Young's retirement. I like the fact we signed a decent return man in Rossum.
what on earth makes you think bruce can still play?
smith is good but you overpaid like you did for every guy you signed last year
please tell me you are joking when you say rossum is a decent return man ???
rossum played for my steelers last year and was terrible, your 9ers signed him because of the one td return he had all year was against your 9ers ::)
he's past his prime and BELOW average
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Apparently, the Jets felt Faneca was worth being paid the highest at his position in the game.
But of course, he's washed up, right Earl? ::)
I'm sure your NFL acumen and ability to scout talent is right up there on the level with the Jets front office. You should call them and tell them they made a dumb mistake signing Faneca. Just admit it's sour grapes and you're pissed he's gone.
Once and for all, my friend....if you start in the NFL(the highest competitive level of pro football),..........You're not washed up.
Hope this helps.
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what on earth makes you think bruce can still play?
smith is good but you overpaid like you did for every guy you signed last year
please tell me you are joking when you say rossum is a decent return man ???
rossum played for my steelers last year and was terrible, your 9ers signed him because of the one td return he had all year was against your 9ers ::)
he's past his prime and BELOW average
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Bruce had 55 for 733 and 4 TDs in 14 games last year playing for one of the worst teams and offenses in the NFL. He had 74 for 1098 and 3 TDs a year ago. That automatically makes him one of the best WRs on the Niners roster. Plus he'll be playing for Martz, who knows how to use him.
Yes we overpaid for Smith. All of those guys are overpaid. We overpaid for Clements last year. But, as you said,
Smith can play and we needed a DE to replace B-Young.
Rossum is decent. I didn't say he was an all pro. He'll be better than anyone on our roster, so it's an upgrade. Our return game has been terrible for about 10 years or more.
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Rossum reminds me a lot of Mel Gray, the Lions all-time record returner.
Both guys are/were special teams players to the core. Rossum has been returning kicks since he was a rookie. I'll accept a professional NFL general manager's evaluation for talent over Earl's opinions any day of the week.
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Atlanta signs Michael Turner. I guess this means they go QB in round 1 and that Dunn is done in ATL.
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Nice pick up by the Falcons. Turner's power to complement Norwood's speed.
Dunn is going to ask for his release, no doubt.
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Turner is pretty fast too.
I doubt Dunn will have to ask for his release. . . .
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Apparently, the Jets felt Faneca was worth being paid the highest at his position in the game.
But of course, he's washed up, right Earl? ::)
I'm sure your NFL acumen and ability to scout talent is right up there on the level with the Jets front office. You should call them and tell them they made a dumb mistake signing Faneca. Just admit it's sour grapes and you're pissed he's gone.
Once and for all, my friend....if you start in the NFL(the highest competitive level of pro football),..........You're not washed up.
Hope this helps.
i knew it was a matter of time before you would blow up on me again :-* :-*
my steelers have had far more success than the jets and they think he is washed up, as do I 8)
he makes pro bowls now based on past reputation, he couldn't block vince wilfork even while double teaming him with sean mahan, and you think he deserves to be the highest paid lineman ::)
sure we could still use him but he isn't worth half of what the jets gave him, it's no wonder they have a top 10 pick every other year
and who are you to question my judgement after you said joey porter was worth a $20 million signing bonus? you laughed at me when i said he was done :D
the nfl free agency period is becoming a yearly owning for you here on getbig ;D
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He'll be better than anyone on our roster, so it's an upgrade. Our return game has been terrible for about 10 years or more.
it isn't going to get any better
sorry
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Rossum reminds me a lot of Mel Gray, the Lions all-time record returner.
Both guys are/were special teams players to the core. Rossum has been returning kicks since he was a rookie. I'll accept a professional NFL general manager's evaluation for talent over Earl's opinions any day of the week.
um you do realize that my steelers didn't even make him an offer when they easily could've signed him, right?
you do realize that a player can get older and their play can decline, right?
and you do realize that the 9ers have made mistake after mistake evaluating talent over the last 5 years or so, right?
are you stupid or are you just making it easy for me to own you YET AGAIN?
"joey porter deserves a $20 million signing bonus" hahahaha;D ;D ;D
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Faneca got overpaid.
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Faneca got overpaid.
what do you know? you aren't an nfl gm ;)
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i knew it was a matter of time before you would blow up on me again :-* :-*
my steelers have had far more success than the jets and they think he is washed up, as do I 8)
he makes pro bowls now based on past reputation, he couldn't block vince wilfork even while double teaming him with sean mahan, and you think he deserves to be the highest paid lineman ::)
sure we could still use him but he isn't worth half of what the jets gave him, it's no wonder they have a top 10 pick every other year
and who are you to question my judgement after you said joey porter was worth a $20 million signing bonus? you laughed at me when i said he was done :D
the nfl free agency period is becoming a yearly owning for you here on getbig ;D
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ah, hello Earl. I knew it was a matter of time before you responded. You're taking the bait a little more easily than you used to. Lonely, perhaps?
I never said Porter was worth it. I just said he wasn't washed up. And the fact of the matter is that he'd still be a Steeler today if he had agreed to take a pay cut. It's the nature of the business. His cap number was too high, he wouldn't take a pay cut, therefore he was released. He still has value and that's why the Dolphins signed him. This happens frequently when veterans enter the back loaded years of their contract. One day it will happen to Big Ben as he enters the last 3 years of his new $102 million contract. Are you through being confused now?
And stop with the "we" shit when you describe the Steelers. It makes you sound like you're carrying around a load in your pants.
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Bruce had 55 for 733 and 4 TDs in 14 games last year playing for one of the worst teams and offenses in the NFL. He had 74 for 1098 and 3 TDs a year ago. That automatically makes him one of the best WRs on the Niners roster. Plus he'll be playing for Martz, who knows how to use him.
Yes we overpaid for Smith. All of those guys are overpaid. We overpaid for Clements last year. But, as you said,
Smith can play and we needed a DE to replace B-Young.
Rossum is decent. I didn't say he was an all pro. He'll be better than anyone on our roster, so it's an upgrade. Our return game has been terrible for about 10 years or more.
How about the OL?
Justin Smiley lost, Larry Allen gone. It wasn't a good OL to begin with.
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How about the OL?
Justin Smiley lost, Larry Allen gone. It wasn't a good OL to begin with.
Definitely have O-line needs, but Smiley was hurt last year and Allen wasn't anywhere near as dominant as he used to be. We have a couple holes to fill. Not much depth.
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Briggs back to da Bears suprised me.
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ah, hello Earl. I knew it was a matter of time before you responded. You're taking the bait a little more easily than you used to. Lonely, perhaps?
I never said Porter was worth it. I just said he wasn't washed up. And the fact of the matter is that he'd still be a Steeler today if he had agreed to take a pay cut. It's the nature of the business. His cap number was too high, he wouldn't take a pay cut, therefore he was released. He still has value and that's why the Dolphins signed him. This happens frequently when veterans enter the back loaded years of their contract. One day it will happen to Big Ben as he enters the last 3 years of his new $102 million contract. Are you through being confused now?
And stop with the "we" shit when you describe the Steelers. It makes you sound like you're carrying around a load in your pants.
bait? your post reeked of ignorance so i set you straight
porter is washed up and would not start over harrison, woodley, or timmons
i will never stop with the "we shit" :P
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Briggs back to da Bears suprised me.
He wanted the money. And with Urlacher's career in question, Briggs had the leverage to get the payday he wanted.
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bait? your post reeked of ignorance so i set you straight
porter is washed up and would not start over harrison, woodley, or timmons
i will never stop with the "we shit" :P
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Joey Porter is not worth what the phins gave him. The steelers have had a long tradition since back to Cowers early years of not paying lbs and plugging in homegrown products. Why in the world would they pay Porter anything close to what he wanted? If there is one thing the Steelers do well, it is produce great lb's. They have never done it any other way........
The saints gave Randel Gay 17 million bucks, are you kidding me? I have watched blue play since he came to the pats..The guy is a career nickleback with an injury history as long as my arm. Watch the superbowl vs the eagles, thats all you have to see.
Last year the niners gave Clement a big fat deal... Last year passing yards vs the niners was up. The teams who are on top are the teams who know when to cut the cord, and when to pay the player.
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Joey Porter is not worth what the phins gave him.... The steelers have had a long tradition since back to Cowers early years of not paying lbs and plugging in homegrown products. Why in the world would they pay Porter a anything close to what he wanted? If there is one thing the Steelers do well, it is produce great lb's.
The saints gave Randel Gay 17 million bucks, are you kidding me? I have watched blue play since he came to the pats... The guy is a nickleback eith an injury history as long as my arm. Watch the superbowl vs the eagles, thats all you have to see.
Last year the niners gave Clement a big fat deal... Last year passing yards vs the niners was up. The teams who are on top are the teams who know when to cut the cord, and when to pay the player.
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"upinthemguts" sees a player past his prime but thinks they deserve big bucks because of what they did in the past ::)
did you see vince wilfork plow over faneca and mahan to sack ben? hines was wide open, if ben gets that throw off it could've been a different game
the highest paid lineman in the league should be able to block one guy, especially while double teaming him
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Last year the niners gave Clement a big fat deal... Last year passing yards vs the niners was up.
Because we couldn't rush the passer, not because Clements was a good cover corner. That has been the Niners main problem on D since Charles Haley left umpteen years ago. (Arguably the worst trade in Niners history. >:()
Edit: meant to say "not because Clements was not a good cover corner."
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Because we couldn't rush the passer, not because Clements was a good cover corner. That has been the Niners main problem on D since Charles Haley left umpteen years ago. (Arguably the worst trade in Niners history. >:()
If you can rush the passer average cb's are very effective, look at the g men in the sb. Rating a cb's value to high in certain systems is stupid, and that why I was not worried when I saw Ty law, Maloy and Asante walk.
I would never in my life pay a 3/4 zone cb 10 million bucks per year. Not trying to take anything away from anyone, but you could be Nate Clement, Asante Samuel or Champ bailey, and it wont mean a damn thing if your lines are no good....
Look at Dre Bly and Champ this year, there skills meant nothing when it was all said and done.
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If you can rush the passer average cb's are very effective, look at the g men in the sb. Rating a cb's value to high in certain systems is stupid, and that why I was not worried when I saw Ty law, Maloy and Asante walk.
I would never in my life pay a 3/4 zone cb 10 million bucks per year. Not trying to take anything away from anyone, but you could be Nate Clement, Asante Samuel or Champ bailey, and it wont mean a damn thing if your lines are no good....
Look at Dre Bly and Champ this year, there skills meant nothing when it was all said and done.
I agree. D-line really determines how effective a corner will be. You consistently give a QB 5 seconds to throw the ball and go through his progression and any corner not named Deion will have problems. Still, you do need good cover corners and Clements is one of the better cover corners in the league.
I don't have a problem with the Niners overpaying to get him, because we have been really bad for several years and we've had terrible ownership, along with cap issues, so attracting quality FAs was a big problem.
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"upinthemguts" sees a player past his prime but thinks they deserve big bucks because of what they did in the past ::)
did you see vince wilfork plow over faneca and mahan to sack ben? hines was wide open, if ben gets that throw off it could've been a different game
the highest paid lineman in the league should be able to block one guy, especially while double teaming him
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I never said Porter was worth the money the 'Phins paid him, terd boy. Why do you keep saying this??? ???
But the bottom line is that Porter can still play in this league. If you start in the NFL, you're not washed up. I'm not quite sure why you fail to grasp this. Being overpaid is one thing, which Porter was. But if you're still good enough to start in the National Football League, you're not washed up. (disagree with me all you want but I won't bend to your logic.) And to to make a pro bowl based on past reputation is something I don't agree with. You're voted into the Pro Bowl by your peers(fellow players) and the fans.
I didn't see one player at this year's pro bowl, who I felt didn't deserve to be there.
And why on earth do you keep bringing up ONE GAME where Faneca was abused by Wilfork? Last I checked, Wilfork is a pro bowl player. Some games you're the dog, and other games you're the hydrant. Besides, what about the other 40 snaps during that game where Faneca held Wilfork in check??
Stop beating it to death or provide another example, for the love of god....
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I agree. D-line really determines how effective a corner will be. You consistently give a QB 5 seconds to throw the ball and go through his progression and any corner not named Deion will have problems. Still, you do need good cover corners and Clements is one of the better cover corners in the league.
I don't have a problem with the Niners overpaying to get him, because we have been really bad for several years and we've had terrible ownership, along with cap issues, so attracting quality FAs was a big problem.
I admire your honesty. I wished you well last year when the trade happened, and I wish you well in the future. I love Willis, one of my fav players. Hopefullt the tides turn for the niners, and they return to there former glory. I always root for the niners, and the browns....
The niners have about 40 million to spend correct?
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I admire your honesty. I wished you well last year when the trade happened, and I wish you well in the future. I love Willis, one of my fav players. Hopefullt the tides turn for the niners, and they return to there former glory. I always root for the niners, and the browns....
The niners have about 40 million to spend correct?
Thanks. I had (another) long talk with my son yesterday about the cycle of winning and losing that every team endures. I think we're moving in the right direction.
Not sure about the cap room, but they've been spending like crazy, so we must have a lot.
BTW, good call on the Moss signing. Good move by the Pats.
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He wanted the money. And with Urlacher's career in question, Briggs had the leverage to get the payday he wanted.
haha Briggs had no leverage. He wanted a much bigger deal but no other teams bit.
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I never said Porter was worth the money the 'Phins paid him, terd boy. Why do you keep saying this??? ???
But the bottom line is that Porter can still play in this league. If you start in the NFL, you're not washed up. I'm not quite sure why you fail to grasp this. Being overpaid is one thing, which Porter was. But if you're still good enough to start in the National Football League, you're not washed up. (disagree with me all you want but I won't bend to your logic.) And to to make a pro bowl based on past reputation is something I don't agree with. You're voted into the Pro Bowl by your peers(fellow players) and the fans.
I didn't see one player at this year's pro bowl, who I felt didn't deserve to be there.
And why on earth do you keep bringing up ONE GAME where Faneca was abused by Wilfork? Last I checked, Wilfork is a pro bowl player. Some games you're the dog, and other games you're the hydrant. Besides, what about the other 40 snaps during that game where Faneca held Wilfork in check??
Stop beating it to death or provide another example, for the love of god....
porter started for a team that went 1-15, that one win was against your ravens ;D so yes he is washed up imo :D
i also remember you saying you wished your ravens signed him
your fan voting and peer excuse for guys playing in the pro bowl proves my point "genius", they vote for guys they've heard of, not guys just entering their prime and making a name for themselves
the fan vote has ruined all star games
oh and as far as you not seeing one guy that didn't deserve to be there, you still thought porter was a great player even after ogden's BACKUP owned him
so much for your talent evaluation skills ;D
as for another faneca example, just look at all the sacks we gave up, if you knew anything about MY TEAM (you don't) you would know that we gave up a ton of sacks and faneca gave up more this year than ever
and if you actually watched the steelers/pats game rather than sportscenter highlights you would know that wilfork owned him all game
speaking of the jets talent evaluation, a few years ago they traded two first round picks to take dewayne "the next warren sapp" robertson, who they just traded for a 4th and a 5th
but hey they work in the nfl, i'm just an armchair qb what do i know :P
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At least you admit most of what you say is opinion.
The Pro bowl is voted by fellow PLAYERS also, not only fans, Earl.
And yes, I did watch the Steelers/Pats game, numbnuts. I seem to recall it being nationally televised.
Even if Ogden had a bad game against a backup, he's still a first ballot hall of famer.
Dwayne Robertson is still a starter in the league.
The only thing I agree with you about is the fact that fan voting ruins professional sports all star games
And once again as you always do, you've 'owned' nothing.
I'm starting to think you might actually be polish instead of guinea.
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haha Briggs had no leverage. He wanted a much bigger deal but no other teams bit.
I knew that. What makes you think I didn't know that? Is that what you said or is that what he said? Lance Briggs....I don't know who that is.
A sop to the great Nathan Thurm.
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I knew that. What makes you think I didn't know that? Is that what you said or is that what he said? Lance Briggs....I don't know who that is.
A sop to the great Nathan Thurm.
hahaha ;D
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At least you admit most of what you say is opinion.
The Pro bowl is voted by fellow PLAYERS also, not only fans, Earl.
And yes, I did watch the Steelers/Pats game, numbnuts. I seem to recall it being nationally televised.
Even if Ogden had a bad game against a backup, he's still a first ballot hall of famer.
Dwayne Robertson is still a starter in the league.
The only thing I agree with you about is the fact that fan voting ruins professional sports all star games
And once again as you always do, you've 'owned' nothing.
I'm starting to think you might actually be polish instead of guinea.
my opinon regarding porter was the same as the mighty steelers, one of the most successful teams ever so it is more than just an "opinion" 8)
and where did i "admit" that "most of what i say" is opinion ???
players vote for guys they know too, disagreeing with the obvious makes you look very stupid :P
sure you watched the game but what difference does that make when you didn't notice faneca get owned from start to finish? did you really watch the game or did you just stare at the screen like a zombie? yes you did
where did i say ogden had a bad game LEARN TO READ NUMBNUTS ogden's no name backup owned joey porter on christmas eve, and you still thought porter was a great player hahaha ;D i told you that through pm THAT DAY but you didn't feel the need to disagree with me since joey was still a steeler ::)
dewayne robertson is a bust, the jets thought he would be warren sapp which is why they traded two 1st round picks to get him, why can't your simple mind grasp the fact that they don't evaluate talent well?
keep looking for more ways to disagree with the FACTS, owning you is too easy 8)
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Safety-Sammy Knight to the Gmen.
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my opinon regarding porter was the same as the mighty steelers, one of the most successful teams ever so it is more than just an "opinion" 8)
and where did i "admit" that "most of what i say" is opinion ???
players vote for guys they know too, disagreeing with the obvious makes you look very stupid :P
sure you watched the game but what difference does that make when you didn't notice faneca get owned from start to finish? did you really watch the game or did you just stare at the screen like a zombie? yes you did
where did i say ogden had a bad game LEARN TO READ NUMBNUTS ogden's no name backup owned joey porter on christmas eve, and you still thought porter was a great player hahaha ;D i told you that through pm THAT DAY but you didn't feel the need to disagree with me since joey was still a steeler ::)
dewayne robertson is a bust, the jets thought he would be warren sapp which is why they traded two 1st round picks to get him, why can't your simple mind grasp the fact that they don't evaluate talent well?
keep looking for more ways to disagree with the FACTS, owning you is too easy 8)
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Suck any cock today, Earl?
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Suck any cock today, Earl?
no 8)
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Cool!
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With Seattle signing Duckett and Jones looks like Alexander is done (at least in Seattle).
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David Carr,backup qb for the Giants.