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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: dantelis on March 03, 2008, 04:00:51 PM
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Quote from The Columbia Dispatch article on ASC:
"This will be the first Arnold Classic where the competitors are required to sign a contract that subjects them to periodic random testing, said Jim Lorimer, who co-produces the Arnold Sports Festival, which includes the Classic, with actor and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger."
http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/02/Arnold_Classic.ART_ART_03-02-08_B1_239GTKL.html?sid=101 (http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/02/Arnold_Classic.ART_ART_03-02-08_B1_239GTKL.html?sid=101)
So, were any of the competitors in this weekends Arnold Classic drug tested, per the contract (see quote below)? I doubt it. Or does this mean that the competitors will be subject to random drug test throughout the year?
Of course, Lorimer's quote doesn't specifically say "drug" testing, so perhaps they will have some other sort of periodic test. ("Quick! How much do you bench?!? How many calories in one pound of bodyfat?!? What does ASC stand for?!? What is Serge Oliva's nickname?" :D)
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IFBB drug tests all it's comps, read the rule book or for the truth ask Bob Chick he is in the know. ::)
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Cutler is natural...he only pissed dirty for diruetics back in the day... ::)
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the BS is in more than just one sentence:
Many past bodybuilders also turned to drugs and chemicals that today are banned.
"It was a small part of the sport," Gaspari said from his office in Lakewood, N.J. "I never felt like it was anything that controlled me. It's not the drug or a magic pill. It's the dedication."
Shawn Ray won the Arnold Classic in 1990, only to lose it to runner-up Mike Ashley after testing positive for steroids, which he admits having used.He competed for 10 more years, including winning the Classic in 1991.
Bodybuilding, he said, has always been the whipping boy about drugs "because of our appearance.
"People think it's humanly impossible to look that way," he said. "There's a certain look out there that looks very chemically enhanced."
This will be the first Arnold Classic where the competitors are required to sign a contract that subjects them to periodic random testing, said Jim Lorimer, who co-produces the Arnold Sports Festival, which includes the Classic, with actor and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
"This is going to be an unending fight, one that is impossible to eradicate completely," said Rafael Santonja, head of the International Federation of Body Builders in Madrid, Spain.
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If it's in the IFBB rule book then it has to be right. ::)
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This is just Arnold doing a little bit of covering his own ass. With McCain more than likely being the Republican nominee and Arnold backing him already, the Demmies will be able to use that show(ASC) as a way of calling McCain's character into question because of Arnold, having a bodybuilding show with obvious drug use. So Arnold can have these guys sign this contract and he looks pro active in a stance against drug use in pro bodybuilding. It doesn't mean they will test anyone though,but it looks good to homos like Anderson Cooper and the Queen Bitch Nancy Grace.
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bwhahahah, Easy Arnold, easy. ::)
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In the past they have only tested for diuretics.
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No Drugs = No IFBB, I dont beleive there will be much changed as far as testing.
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Quote from The Columbia Dispatch article on ASC:
"This will be the first Arnold Classic where the competitors are required to sign a contract that subjects them to periodic random testing, said Jim Lorimer
The quote says it all. If Lorimer intended to drug test, he would have said "we will be testing our athletes for anabolic steroid use.", not "competitors are required to sign a contract that subjects them to periodic random testing". ::)
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I think it was probably done for Arnold's benefit. Its probably getting more difficult for him to set on the fence , being the Governor of California and supporting Pro Bodybuilding with its obvious drug use. At least saying there going to test shows he is trying to clean it up.
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IFBB pro's are chemical experts. It is impossible for them to come out positive unless they make a mistake. Look at the olympics for example..
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I think it was probably done for Arnold's benefit. Its probably getting more difficult for him to set on the fence , being the Governor of California and supporting Pro Bodybuilding with its obvious drug use. At least saying there going to test shows he is trying to clean it up.
Yet, if Arnold disassociated himself with bodybuilding, how many folks here would howl, calling him a sellout?
The fans can't have it both ways. You can't criticize the folks for not testing the competitorsone minute, then turn around and laugh at them, when they do start testing rigidly and the competitors aren't quite as massive as they once were.
That's what happen with the WBFChampionship, back in 1992. They tested everyone for everything but the kitchen sink and too many people made fun of how the bodybuilders looked, as a result.
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the BS is in more than just one sentence:
Many past bodybuilders also turned to drugs and chemicals that today are banned.
"It was a small part of the sport," Gaspari said from his office in Lakewood, N.J. "I never felt like it was anything that controlled me. It's not the drug or a magic pill. It's the dedication."
Shawn Ray won the Arnold Classic in 1990, only to lose it to runner-up Mike Ashley after testing positive for steroids, which he admits having used.He competed for 10 more years, including winning the Classic in 1991.
Bodybuilding, he said, has always been the whipping boy about drugs "because of our appearance.
"People think it's humanly impossible to look that way," he said. "There's a certain look out there that looks very chemically enhanced."
This will be the first Arnold Classic where the competitors are required to sign a contract that subjects them to periodic random testing, said Jim Lorimer, who co-produces the Arnold Sports Festival, which includes the Classic, with actor and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
"This is going to be an unending fight, one that is impossible to eradicate completely," said Rafael Santonja, head of the International Federation of Body Builders in Madrid, Spain.
It really is amazing the ease with which these guys lie. It just comes naturally to them.
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IFBB drug test:
1. Testosterone is
a) a new burger at McDonald's
b) Kevin Levrone's new band
c) a harmless steroid
d) better than creatine
2. You are questioned by a fan how you got so big. Your answer is:
a) I tell the truth, he won't be able to remember all the medication names anyways.
b) I take a look at the commercial pamphlet from my sponsor and try to read out a few names aloud.
c) I call security and let him get thrown out.
d) I give him my number and sell him some fake GH after the show.
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That's what happen with the WBFChampionship, back in 1992. They tested everyone for everything but the kitchen sink and too many people made fun of how the bodybuilders looked, as a result.
people made fun of the WBF because there were too many outrageous costumes and overly hyped fake rivalries, you know kind of like in pro wrestling. (one problem with costumes in bodybuilding contests is that you have to take it off on stage, which makes you a stripper).
besides, the bodybuilders were at most 3 months clean, after years of heavy use. that hardly makes them an example of natural bodybuilding.
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It really is amazing the ease with which these guys lie. It just comes naturally to them.
what is amazing is how the reporter either knows that it's a bunch of lies and is willing to spread them, or is so gullible that he doesn't know how much BS he's being fed.
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From a recent steroidreport.com blog entry:
http://www.steroidreport.com/2008/03/04/producer-of-arnold-classic-bodybuilding-contest-warns-competitors-about-steroids/ (http://www.steroidreport.com/2008/03/04/producer-of-arnold-classic-bodybuilding-contest-warns-competitors-about-steroids/)
"Lorimer discusses the existing “amateur” protocol in the IFBB but also announced that in January 2008 the IFBB has implemented a testing protocol in the IFBB Professional League to “protect integrity and future of the sport.” The testing was implemented in response to other professional sports being “killed by the publicity” surrounding doping. Details of the IFBB’s new testing protocol were not revealed only that “there will be some testing throughout the coming year.”'
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. Looks like congress has many sports organizations (and even entertainment organizations like the IFBB) running scared.
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IFBB drug test:
1. Testosterone is
a) a new burger at McDonald's
b) Kevin Levrone's new band
c) a harmless steroid
d) better than creatine
2. You are questioned by a fan how you got so big. Your answer is:
a) I tell the truth, he won't be able to remember all the medication names anyways.
b) I take a look at the commercial pamphlet from my sponsor and try to read out a few names aloud.
c) I call security and let him get thrown out.
d) I give him my number and sell him some fake GH after the show.
D and D.......how'm i doin?
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what is amazing is how the reporter either knows that it's a bunch of lies and is willing to spread them, or is so gullible that he doesn't know how much BS he's being fed.
I think it's the latter. Remember, the general public beleives every supplement company ad.
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Quote from The Columbia Dispatch article on ASC:
"This will be the first Arnold Classic where the competitors are required to sign a contract that subjects them to periodic random testing, said Jim Lorimer, who co-produces the Arnold Sports Festival, which includes the Classic, with actor and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger."
http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/02/Arnold_Classic.ART_ART_03-02-08_B1_239GTKL.html?sid=101 (http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/02/Arnold_Classic.ART_ART_03-02-08_B1_239GTKL.html?sid=101)
So, were any of the competitors in this weekends Arnold Classic drug tested, per the contract (see quote below)? I doubt it. Or does this mean that the competitors will be subject to random drug test throughout the year?
Of course, Lorimer's quote doesn't specifically say "drug" testing, so perhaps they will have some other sort of periodic test. ("Quick! How much do you bench?!? How many calories in one pound of bodyfat?!? What does ASC stand for?!? What is Serge Oliva's nickname?" :D)
WELL!!! >:(
ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE US THE ANSWERS OR NOT ???
i'm stumped on the last question. who the fuck is 'serge oliva'?
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D and D.......how'm i doin?
Top ten competitoner!
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Top ten competitoner!
i'm flying to LA ........livin the dream
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i'm flying to LA ........livin the dream
...in the back of a volks wagon.
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...in the back of a volks wagon.
with viles of humalog........some back issues of md........and my t micheal collection
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with viles of humalog........some back issues of md........and my t micheal collection
don't forget the cans of tuna. :o
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don't forget the cans of tuna. :o
i already have mercury poisoning......... um did you say sumfin?
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i already have mercury poisoning......... um did you say sumfin?
mercury poisoning is for girly men.
i'm starting to question how hardcore you are. :-\
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WELL!!! >:(
ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE US THE ANSWERS OR NOT ???
i'm stumped on the last question. who the fuck is 'serge oliva'?
He is the bastard son created by a biological experiment crossing Serge Nubret with Sergio Oliva. A combination of mythological size, symmetry and conditioning, he is set to take the Pro Bodybuilding stage at the Arnold next year and will dominate the "sport" for as many years as he cares to compet. :D
He could also be the result of a typo on my part.
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mercury poisoning is for girly men.
i'm starting to question how hardcore you are. :-\
i eat sardines and chicken bones 6 times a day for protein?
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i eat sardines and chicken bones 6 times a day for protein?
excellent save. :)
mercury poison - check
omega 3 - check
calcium - check
go forth and be the next ronnie coleman my son. 8)
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excellent save. :)
mercury poison - check
omega 3 - check
calcium - check
go forth and be the next ronnie coleman my son. 8)
i plan on it,sir........i packed ared leather suit you know
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i plan on it,sir........i packed ared leather suit you know
i hope it was fluorescent pink ???
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i hope it was fluorescent pink ???
it's red yo........Ronnie and I ain't into pink bro
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it's red yo........Ronnie and I ain't into pink bro
that was a test yo.
you're doing well... ;)
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that was a test yo.
you're doing well... ;)
i'm 45 years old......do think with right training,diet and gh15's hormone advice i can still live the dream? my whole future rides on your answer beast
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From a recent steroidreport.com blog entry:
http://www.steroidreport.com/2008/03/04/producer-of-arnold-classic-bodybuilding-contest-warns-competitors-about-steroids/ (http://www.steroidreport.com/2008/03/04/producer-of-arnold-classic-bodybuilding-contest-warns-competitors-about-steroids/)
"Lorimer discusses the existing “amateur” protocol in the IFBB but also announced that in January 2008 the IFBB has implemented a testing protocol in the IFBB Professional League to “protect integrity and future of the sport.” The testing was implemented in response to other professional sports being “killed by the publicity” surrounding doping. Details of the IFBB’s new testing protocol were not revealed only that “there will be some testing throughout the coming year.”'
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. Looks like congress has many sports organizations (and even entertainment organizations like the IFBB) running scared.
LOL what a bunch of bullshit. It's understandable though. Politicking (is that a word?)
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i'm 45 years old......do think with right training,diet and gh15's hormone advice i can still live the dream? my whole future rides on your answer beast
hmmm, with the right volks wagon, plenty of chicken bones and......a SHIT LOAD of gh, steroids, insulin and igf1 you can still live that dream my man.
however, you MUST sacrifice everything else in your life and do plenty of gay4pay... :-X, but it will be worth it in the end :D i mean, look at the wonderful, rich and fulfilling lives pro bbers lead......better start taking anti-depressants and plenty of novocain too. :-\
...and so what if you do some time in prison, you could always a job with md when you get out... :-[
when the anti-depressants stop working, get a bunch of tatoos, maybe one on the face would be a good idea. i hear they are useful when the fans start forgetting who you are.
after it all ends in 2 years (well, wtf do you want, you're 45 >:() you can kill a bunch of people or yourself or if you don't have the stomach for that you could sell your dirty underwear to supplement your g4p income.
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hmmm, with the right volks wagon, plenty of chicken bones and......a SHIT LOAD of gh, steroids, insulin and igf1 you can still live that dream my man.
however, you MUST sacrifice everything else in your life and do plenty of gay4pay... :-X, but it will be worth it in the end :D i mean, look at the wonderful, rich and fulfilling lives pro bbers lead......better start taking anti-depressants and plenty of novocain too. :-\
...and so what if you do some time in prison, you could always a job with md when you get out... :-[
when the anti-depressants stop working, get a bunch of tatoos, maybe one on the face would be a good idea. i hear they are useful when the fans start forgetting who you are.
after it all ends in 2 years (well, wtf do you want, you're 45 >:() you can kill a bunch of people or yourself or if you don't have the stomach for that you could sell your dirty underwear to supplement your g4p income.
OHHHH MY GOD LMAO!!! THAT'S THE BEST!!!!!!!!
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people made fun of the WBF because there were too many outrageous costumes and overly hyped fake rivalries, you know kind of like in pro wrestling. (one problem with costumes in bodybuilding contests is that you have to take it off on stage, which makes you a stripper).
besides, the bodybuilders were at most 3 months clean, after years of heavy use. that hardly makes them an example of natural bodybuilding.
But, that does make an example of what happens when you have stringent drug testing. I don't think the costumes, pre-routine videos, or props had anything to do with people making fun of the WBF, as such was present in both shows. Few were making fun of them in 1991. All the potshots came in 1992, as again, they were being tested for virtually everything.
I do realize, however, that the WBF had a much easier time of it, with only 13 guys. But, it was a start. Perhaps the IFBB should do what the WNBF does and test everyone who places in the money (or the top 5).
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I predict Arnold will find a way to run for Pres by 216, and win. He will no longer have anything to do with the ASC or bodybuilding (Maybe tangentially). The drugs would just take him down.
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All of the powerlifting at the Show was Drug Tested. Dont know if they had to sign an agreement for testing though.
If the start in with the BBr's the show will really suck!!! I've been going for years and expect to see FREAKS walking around not just another Gym Rat!!!
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drug testing......not
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who the fuck is 'serge oliva'?
He's like Keysor Soze, he doesn't really exist, hence the nickname they gave him "The Myth."
In Hollywood, if someone does a movie and doesn't want to put their name on the film, they say it's Alan Smithee that made the flick. In bodybuilding, they know that nobody was able to push Arnold to the limits that the stories say, so they created this myth, and dubbed the name Sergio Oliva. Stupid name, I mean who would want to live like with a name like that? Well, since Sergio is really a fictional character, he has no worries. :)
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You'd think some reporter would follow up and ask the obvious question about the results of the MOST RECENT random drug test
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But, it was a start. Perhaps the IFBB should do what the WNBF does and test everyone who places in the money (or the top 5).
why? No one will pay $70-120 to see drug free bodybuilders? The WNBF isn't exactly packing them in.
while many people have been turned off of pro bodybuilding because of the bloated stomachs, synthol and site injections, those things could easily be remedied by better judging.
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The IFBB will never inforce serious random drug testing, It would be cutting its own throat. No one wants to go to the ASC or the O and see natural bodybuilders.
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testing... for head lice.
the industry and most fans who know a thing or two are laughing with lorimer on this one.
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arnold is a politician.
arnold was full of shit before he became a politician but now that he actually is one, my best advices is to take everythign he says with a grain of salt.
no one knows better than arnold about what can be achieved naturally as opposed to hormonized (gh15 term) and he knows damn well that without hormones he doesn't have a show.
personally, i think arnold is trying to find a way out of this show without upsetting his partners which, for him, is not good business sense. by keeping the show alive he has stayed in touch with his hardcore fan base for all these years, but now the show is becoming a liability and he knows that if he makes the pretense of eradicating drugs the drugs issue will become moot because he has 'done all he can to police it.'
this is arnold's priority now. if the show dies because of it, it dies. he doesn't look so bad with the fan base because he didn't actually abandon it and he covers his ass politically.
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The IFBB will never inforce serious random drug testing, It would be cutting its own throat. No one wants to go to the ASC or the O and see natural bodybuilders.
Like i said earlier, drug tests don't work. It will only make competing more expensive for the athletes.
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hmmm, with the right volks wagon, plenty of chicken bones and......a SHIT LOAD of gh, steroids, insulin and igf1 you can still live that dream my man.
however, you MUST sacrifice everything else in your life and do plenty of gay4pay... :-X, but it will be worth it in the end :D i mean, look at the wonderful, rich and fulfilling lives pro bbers lead......better start taking anti-depressants and plenty of novocain too. :-\
...and so what if you do some time in prison, you could always a job with md when you get out... :-[
when the anti-depressants stop working, get a bunch of tatoos, maybe one on the face would be a good idea. i hear they are useful when the fans start forgetting who you are.
after it all ends in 2 years (well, wtf do you want, you're 45 >:() you can kill a bunch of people or yourself or if you don't have the stomach for that you could sell your dirty underwear to supplement your g4p income.
Seriously i would commit an armed robbery on a Bank than do G4P
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hmmm, with the right volks wagon, plenty of chicken bones and......a SHIT LOAD of gh, steroids, insulin and igf1 you can still live that dream my man.
however, you MUST sacrifice everything else in your life and do plenty of gay4pay... :-X, but it will be worth it in the end :D i mean, look at the wonderful, rich and fulfilling lives pro bbers lead......better start taking anti-depressants and plenty of novocain too. :-\
...and so what if you do some time in prison, you could always a job with md when you get out... :-[
when the anti-depressants stop working, get a bunch of tatoos, maybe one on the face would be a good idea. i hear they are useful when the fans start forgetting who you are.
after it all ends in 2 years (well, wtf do you want, you're 45 >:() you can kill a bunch of people or yourself or if you don't have the stomach for that you could sell your dirty underwear to supplement your g4p income.
i'm already doing gay 4 pay..........taking inorbitant amounts of advil and paxil..........i figure I'm half way home
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i'm already doing gay 4 pay..........taking inorbitant amounts of advil and paxil..........i figure I'm half way home
OHHHHH FUCKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
WTF ARE YOU DOING YOU RAVING FUCKING LUNATIC! >:(
DON'T YOU KNOW THAT ADVIL WILL FUCK UP YOUR KIDNEYS ???
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OHHHHH FUCKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
WTF ARE YOU DOING YOU RAVING FUCKING LUNATIC! >:(
DON'T YOU KNOW THAT ADVIL WILL FUCK UP YOUR KIDNEYS ???
too late i piss in 2 streams
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too late i piss in 2 streams
poof...there goes your dream bud. :'(
...and you had so much potential... :(
you'll only be able to do light richard simmons workouts, take in 25grams of tap protein per day and keep your body weight under 110lbs so at least you can continue to make money as a twink4pay. :-\
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i'm unpacking the volkswagon
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/badboymedz/db.jpg?t=1204726427)
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i'm unpacking the volkswagon
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/badboymedz/db.jpg?t=1204726427)
hahaha
come on man, you know you're going to have to return that rented fluorescent red leather suit...
come on...leeettt goooooo.....
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i'm trying.........is humice a good protein source?
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i'm trying.........is humice a good protein source?
yes, humice and lentils.
tom prince says they work great.
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LOL,
the sad thing is that most would fail.
IFBB drug test:
1. Testosterone is
a) a new burger at McDonald's
b) Kevin Levrone's new band
c) a harmless steroid
d) better than creatine
2. You are questioned by a fan how you got so big. Your answer is:
a) I tell the truth, he won't be able to remember all the medication names anyways.
b) I take a look at the commercial pamphlet from my sponsor and try to read out a few names aloud.
c) I call security and let him get thrown out.
d) I give him my number and sell him some fake GH after the show.
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LOL,
the sad thing is that most would fail.
it's impossible to answer those questions.
there should be an option e for muscletech. >:(
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it's impossible to answer those questions.
there should be an option e for muscletech. >:(
muscletech sponsored athletes NEVER get tested.
Muscletech his so hardcore any piss test would explode.
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I predict Arnold will find a way to run for Pres by 216, and win.
Is that BC or AD? Is he going to run as Conan? If so, then I think you are right, he will win, based on his platform: "As President, I vow to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women."
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Is that BC or AD? Is he going to run as Conan? If so, then I think you are right, he will win, based on his platform: "As President, I vow to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women."
hahaha, oh shit, is the time going to run backwards or will he have to wait until it's all finished in 2012 when Planet Nibiru comes and the world rises from its ashes?
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Chick any news on any Pro that has been drug tested in the last few years??????.I guess that rule is just for show.Fukin Joke. ::)
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What are we even discussing here? It doesn't matter whether or not drug testing is done. Athletes ajust to it and continue like they used to do.
Case closed.
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Like i said earlier, drug tests don't work. It will only make competing more expensive for the athletes.
Drug test DO work.....when implemented. Again, I refer you to the 1992 WBF Championship.
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Drug test DO work.....when implemented. Again, I refer you to the 1992 WBF Championship.
Then how do you explain the olympic games? Tour the france? Just to name a few..
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Then how do you explain the olympic games? Tour the france? Just to name a few..
The drug tests work.
They are getting caught.
Right now, more than 100 athletes are banned from track and field internationally.
You cannot detect EPO unless the person was injecting it just hours before the test. And they likely won't be that stupid.
But several sports federations, among them the IAAF (Track and field) UCI(cycling) and FIS (cross-country skiing) have implented blood level registrations for their athletes.
Which means that if the hematocrit level of an athlete is juiced up (from EPO use) the test will easily show this.
The problem is really in getting the tests done.
How are you gonna be able to find a Chinese track athlete when there are 1 billion Chinese people who looks the same? ;) (j/k DK).
Seriously though, the hard part is to find the athletes, to get the out of competition tests done. Some people train in a little village 1000 miles outside Moscow. How easy is that to find?
Some countries are getting serious about it. Like Germany and Hungary, and also up in Scandinavia. Also UK tests pretty hard. In both Hungary and Germany, it's illegal to test positive, you risk jail time.
Which is probably why Hungarian discus thrower Robert Fazekas avoided getting tested in Athens - he didn't want to end up in Hungarian prison.
But you have to wonder why some sports, like football, never have any busts. With the Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup, Worthington Cup and tons of friendlies, the footballers have an extremely hard schedule.
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The drug tests work.
They are getting caught.
Right now, more than 100 athletes are banned from track and field internationally.
You cannot detect EPO unless the person was injecting it just hours before the test. And they likely won't be that stupid.
But several sports federations, among them the IAAF (Track and field) UCI(cycling) and FIS (cross-country skiing) have implented blood level registrations for their athletes.
Which means that if the hematocrit level of an athlete is juiced up (from EPO use) the test will easily show this.
The problem is really in getting the tests done.
How are you gonna be able to find a Chinese track athlete when there are 1 billion Chinese people who looks the same? ;) (j/k DK).
Seriously though, the hard part is to find the athletes, to get the out of competition tests done. Some people train in a little village 1000 miles outside Moscow. How easy is that to find?
Some countries are getting serious about it. Like Germany and Hungary, and also up in Scandinavia. Also UK tests pretty hard. In both Hungary and Germany, it's illegal to test positive, you risk jail time.
Which is probably why Hungarian discus thrower Robert Fazekas avoided getting tested in Athens - he didn't want to end up in Hungarian prison.
But you have to wonder why some sports, like football, never have any busts. With the Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup, Worthington Cup and tons of friendlies, the footballers have an extremely hard schedule.
the easy answer would be to put the onus on the athlete, if he/she wishes to compete, to make themselves available for the tests.
however, this may raise issues re discrimination re fairness which might take prescedence over the testing itself.
if it does (discriminate), what would stop a drug user from any nation from doing his 'training' out in siberia/himilayas? seeing that such athlete could also claim discrimination re his democratic right of freedom to go train wherever he/she is accepted???
just thinking as i'm typing here...
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Fuk the drug tests but FFS get that shit rule taken out of the IFBB rule book it's a Fukin joke and the whole world knows it.Drug use is banned for use by IFBB Pros.hahahahaha. ::)