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What do you guys think about the following for a cycle? Thank you for your input.
Trenbolone enanthate - 200 mg every week
Equipose - 400 mg every week
Supertest 450 - 450 mg every week
Pregnyl (HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 Days
I am 36 6'2" 220 4th cycle. Lifting partner is 30 6'2" 225 1st cycle. Should he be doing the same amounts as me?
clomid and nolvadex for PCT
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It's fine.
Question, why did you post the stats of your lifting partner? We need to know these why?
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Oops I forgot to post the question. He will be doing the same cycle. Should he be doing the same amounts?
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It's fine.
Question, why did you post the stats of your lifting partner? We need to know these why?
I thought it was because they were both going to run the same cycle?
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It's fine.
Question, why did you post the stats of your lifting partner? We need to know these why?
same cycle maybe? mr. mod
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same cycle maybe? mr. mod
Yes. Sorry. I forgot to put that question in the first post. Since this is his first cycle are these amounts too high?
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What do you guys think about the following for a cycle? Thank you for your input.
Trenbolone enanthate - 200 mg every week
Equipose - 400 mg every week
Supertest 450 - 450 mg every week
Pregnyl (HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 Days
I am 36 6'2" 220 4th cycle. Lifting partner is 30 6'2" 225 1st cycle. Should he be doing the same amounts as me?
clomid and nolvadex for PCT
We have everything on hand and are ready to start. Any more input from anybody?
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What do you guys think about the following for a cycle? Thank you for your input.
Trenbolone enanthate - 200 mg every week
Equipose - 400 mg every week
Supertest 450 - 450 mg every week
Pregnyl (HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 Days
I am 36 6'2" 220 4th cycle. Lifting partner is 30 6'2" 225 1st cycle. Should he be doing the same amounts as me?
clomid and nolvadex for PCT
Cycle is way too heavy for first timer. As said above as far as your partner goes test only. As far as the HCG goes 500iu 2xew. For PCT run either clomid or nolva, no need for both. Add some aromasin in and run for six weeks.
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Cycle is way too heavy for first timer. As said above as far as your partner goes test only. As far as the HCG goes 500iu 2xew. For PCT run either clomid or nolva, no need for both. Add some aromasin in and run for six weeks.
Agreed, way too much for a first timer. If you can't grow off 500mgs of test a week then you shouldn't be bodybuilding.
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do your friend a favor and keep his 1st ride simple, test alone at 450mgs wk is plenty, followed by some proper pct.
your on your 4th cycle huh?
Yes. 4th cycle here.
Okay. My lifting partner is here now. He does not really want to get that much bigger. His goal is to gain some size but mainly wants to get more defined. He just finished doing Tren X (oral OTC) and wants to start his FIRST real cycle. From reading in Anabolics 2005 he feels that just doing test would not be beneficial to his goals. What do you guys think of him just doing 200 mg of Trenbolone and no test? OR Should he do both 450 mg of test and 200 mg of Trenbolone? Would his natural test levels be low because of taking Tren x? If so, should he supplement the Trenbolone and/or test with some sort of PCT (i.e. HCG?)?
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Yes. 4th cycle here.
Okay. My lifting partner is here now. He does not really want to get that much bigger. His goal is to gain some size but mainly wants to get more defined. He just finished doing Tren X (oral OTC) and wants to start his FIRST real cycle. From reading in Anabolics 2005 he feels that just doing test would not be beneficial to his goals. What do you guys think of him just doing 200 mg of Trenbolone and no test? OR Should he do both 450 mg of test and 200 mg of Trenbolone? Would his natural test levels be low because of taking Tren x? If so, should he supplement the Trenbolone and/or test with some sort of PCT (i.e. HCG?)?
Tren for a first cycle is ridiculous IMO, as it is one of the harsher compounds. It can also come with some undesirable side affects. 450mg test ew will be more than efficient for him to make some nice size and strength gains. He will get much better gains off of real test than any OTC supplement(as long as its real and dosed properly). Please do not run tren alone. Some people do this, but its probably not a very good idea.
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It's not a good idea because it can effect some guys a lot like deca does and shut your dick down faster than a naked Rosie O'Donnell grinding your face. And yea, Tren is a big no no for a first timer, it should be after 4-5 cycles at least.
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about the tren x and his tes levels as of now... yes, the tren x did shut him down SOME, and yes his test levels are pretty low right now...but NO, no pct untill after he does this cycle of injectables. its easier on the hpta that way
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tell your friend he will grow like a weed off of 450mg test since its his first cycle.
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i personally dont think what you have listed is too much for a first cycle.
guys like to think that starting slow or using small dosage or one compound AT FIRST somehow makes their later cycles safer.
ive never seen any studies to support this idea.
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about the tren x and his tes levels as of now... yes, the tren x did shut him down SOME, and yes his test levels are pretty low right now...but NO, no pct untill after he does this cycle of injectables. its easier on the hpta that way
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tell your friend he will grow like a weed off of 450mg test since its his first cycle.
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i personally dont think what you have listed is too much for a first cycle.
guys like to think that starting slow or using small dosage or one compound AT FIRST somehow makes their later cycles safer.
ive never seen any studies to support this idea.
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Show me a SINGLE study on long term AAS use. There are none. This advice comes from YEARS of real life experience. You should know this. And the reasoning isn't making it safer, Tren is one of the harshest compounds you can take and you have no idea really how you are going to react to it. Starting slow and adding in one compound at a time to see how your body reacts to things is the best way to go about it. And sorry, but you don't get to give advice on cycles here, you haven't even done 1 yet.
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haha okay emortal whatever you say man...
yeah starting out at 500mg really makes your current cycles so much safer and more effective. ;D
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haha okay emortal whatever you say man...
yeah starting out at 500mg really makes your current cycles so much safer and more effective. ;D
Actually it does! Also some of the advice you are giving around here is really questionable. Run the cycles and put some time in on the juice then give others advice! The items he has listed on that cycle are way too much for a first timer. He does not even know how he is going to react to test alone let alone tren.
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about the tren x and his tes levels as of now... yes, the tren x did shut him down SOME, and yes his test levels are pretty low right now...but NO, no pct untill after he does this cycle of injectables. its easier on the hpta that way
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tell your friend he will grow like a weed off of 450mg test since its his first cycle.
but
i personally dont think what you have listed is too much for a first cycle.
guys like to think that starting slow or using small dosage or one compound AT FIRST somehow makes their later cycles safer.
ive never seen any studies to support this idea.
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I had blood work done after a 6 week cycle of 1 Gapspari Halodrol and 25mg winni ED(yes, very gay cycle :))and my T level came back as 187 on a scale of 280-800, so pretty low. All the OTC steroids will shut you down just like anything else. Have your friend do PCT to get back to normal, stabilize for a while and then back on. He'll have a better outcome in the end.
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haha okay emortal whatever you say man...
yeah starting out at 500mg really makes your current cycles so much safer and more effective. ;D
Yea because you know from your vast experience and first hand knowledge, right?
Comments like this one are exactly why vets like Trab don't post here and why I myself don't post here as often.
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running tren without test is retarded unless you going into a show. for a first timer i dont like that stack one bit. put him on 250mgTest E a week and then 30-40mg dbol daily for first 5 weeks only.. nobody is bashing just thats not a good cycle for a first time user. let his body adapt before using conpounds like tren. trens the baddsest shit you can use. Its very effective jusy very harsh compound! tren and halo are the worst well the best but as far as hepatoxicity goes tren and halotestin are the worst. Some say roid rage is a myth but not when your using tren or halo roid rage can be a problem. I wont mention names but there was an old mr.olympia who used tren and halo and ge acted like a whiny girl constantly!he was also very fussy and bitchy! definately was from the tren and halo combo.
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Yea, Trab summed it up nicely: Tren + Halo = closest thing to a man being on the rag.
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Thank all of you very much for the information!! It is greatly appreciated.
He will be doing 450 mg of supertest EW.
One last question. Does anybody know the half life of supertest 450? We have a copy of anabolics 2005 and it is not in there. The place where I purchased from does not have it listed any more either.
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about the tren x and his tes levels as of now... yes, the tren x did shut him down SOME, and yes his test levels are pretty low right now...but NO, no pct untill after he does this cycle of injectables. its easier on the hpta that way
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tell your friend he will grow like a weed off of 450mg test since its his first cycle.
but
i personally dont think what you have listed is too much for a first cycle.
guys like to think that starting slow or using small dosage or one compound AT FIRST somehow makes their later cycles safer.
ive never seen any studies to support this idea.
You must be refering to guys who say start with a basic cycle of test first or start of slow eh? ::) It's excellent advice but I don't recall hearing anyone say it's going to be safer in the long run. As 4thAD said it's to see how your body reacts to the various drugs you're taking. If it's legit gear you'll grow regardless of what it is. But there's no point in trying/taking everything at once if you don't even know how you'll react to one drug (i.e. Test). For example: Let's say I decide to do a cycle of Test, Deca, EQ, Dbol, & Tren for my first cycle. About midway through I start having some sides & because it's my first time around I don't know what drug caused it &/or what drug should be dropped or what drug(s) to avoid. Now if I started slower & add different drugs in as I do more cycles I'd know how Deca, EQ, Dbol, Tren, Tbol, etc effects me.
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Thank all of you very much for the information!! It is greatly appreciated.
He will be doing 450 mg of supertest EW.
One last question. Does anybody know the half life of supertest 450? We have a copy of anabolics 2005 and it is not in there. The place where I purchased from does not have it listed any more either.
It's UG gear & I believe it's a blend of Tests. Find out what esters are in there & then you can determine the half-life.
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Bottom line. This is not a race to see who can finish first. Slow and steady will win this race. Like Rimmy said above, there's no point in taking everything at once. I like White's advice also of 250mg test ew and dbol @ 30-40mg ed. Im on my HRT of 200mg ew, and I'm seeing some nice strength and weight gains.
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Comments like this one are exactly why vets like Trab don't post here and why I myself don't post here as often.
Yeah, what happened to Trab? I used to enjoy reading his posts and he always gave very straightforward, knowledgeable answers. Seems like he just vanished. Really too bad, I'd like to see him come back.
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Yea because you know from your vast experience and first hand knowledge, right?
Comments like this one are exactly why vets like Trab don't post here and why I myself don't post here as often.
I miss trab, he was an asset to the board. :'(
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i wasnt trying to be a dick
but if the guy wants to run that cycle, then why not? of course, like i said, let him know he doesnt need to.
but thinking that because you started slow gives you "more of a right" to take these compounds is foolish.
its just as dangerous, regardless, AND, its just as illegal; regardless.
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i wasnt trying to be a dick
but if the guy wants to run that cycle, then why not? of course, like i said, let him know he doesnt need to.
but thinking that because you started slow gives you "more of a right" to take these compounds is foolish.
its just as dangerous, regardless, AND, its just as illegal; regardless.
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I know you weren't trying to be a dick but you were giving advice saying that you didn't think the cycle was bad for a first timer, which indeed it is. It's not about more of a right, it's about knowing your body and how you react to compounds, which has already been stated. What do you think is going to happen if you have a bad reaction to just doing test? Tren isn't going to be any better for you, it's going to be a lot worse. Some guys have a problem just doing straight test, that's why you start out slow and work your way into things.
What's the point of bringing up legality? That doesn't have anything to do with the conversation at hand.
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well no, but it does tie in to my feelingst the moment.
maybe its not on the surface; but i think that is how you guys think of it...that you hae more of a right to be using this stuff... and guys like benz always trash on me because im 18.. that doesnt matter at all. its illegal for me, its illegal for everyone.
sure i dont have experience. but ive read everything i could posibly read on the subject and i have talked to and pick the brains of people who know what they are talking about..
i would drop names of who has taught me about soe of this stuff, but the guy reads this and i dont think it would be appropriate
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I don't feel I have more of a right to be doing anything at all period over anyone else. I do feel that with experience comes knowledge and that's something that no book or other person can give you. You have to find out how you react to these compounds, just because Arnold popped 20 dbols a day and didn't run test with it and had no problems doesn't mean the average guy is going to have the same experience. I've even had experiences where switching from UG deca to HG deca shut me down. I recovered quickly because I know my body and how to get back on track but that had never happened before. It's things like this that you only using these compounds will teach you and you just need to stop coming off like you know what you are talking about and giving advice to people about compounds you've never used.
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i typed up a ocuple paragraph response about how i didnt givee advice even though i could have and outlining what i was tryin to say and what my point was. i just deleted it. i really hate having to constantly argue with guys,
ill keep my thoughts to myself
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i personally dont think what you have listed is too much for a first cycle.
guys like to think that starting slow or using small dosage or one compound AT FIRST somehow makes their later cycles safer.
ive never seen any studies to support this idea.
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This statement qualifies directly as advice. Your are advising him that you believe the cycle is fine for a first timer which is laughable at best.
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but thinking that because you started slow gives you "more of a right" to take these compounds is foolish.
That's not what anyone has said.
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It's UG gear & I believe it's a blend of Tests. Find out what esters are in there & then you can determine the half-life.
EACH ML OF SUPERTEST CONTAINS:
32 mg per ml of test acetate
147 mg per ml of test decanoate
73 mg per ml of test propionate
73 mg per ml of test phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml test cypionate
We do have the Anabolics 2005 Steroid Reference Manual which unfortunately does not list the half-lives for any of the tests. Does anyone know the half-lives for any or all of the above? Or even better, what the appropriate PCT would be for Supertest? We do have plenty of Clomid, Nolvadex and HCG on hand.
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EACH ML OF SUPERTEST CONTAINS:
32 mg per ml of test acetate
147 mg per ml of test decanoate
73 mg per ml of test propionate
73 mg per ml of test phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml test cypionate
We do have the Anabolics 2005 Steroid Reference Manual which unfortunately does not list the half-lives for any of the tests. Does anyone know the half-lives for any or all of the above? Or even better, what the appropriate PCT would be for Supertest? We do have plenty of Clomid, Nolvadex and HCG on hand.
hey faggotmuscle ;D check these links
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-steroid-half-life.aspx
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Steroids%20Half%20Life.html
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Thank you for the links...very helpful!