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gbers........
3/8/08
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush said Saturday he vetoed legislation that would ban the CIA from using harsh interrogation methods such as waterboarding to break suspected terrorists because it would end practices that have prevented attacks.
"The bill Congress sent me would take away one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror," Bush said in his weekly radio address taped for broadcast Saturday. "So today I vetoed it," Bush said.
NT
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Another manufactured controversy. Here is what we already ban:
"Among the techniques the field manual prohibits are hooding prisoners or putting duct tape across their eyes, stripping them naked, forcing them to perform or mimic sexual acts, or beating, electrocuting, burning or otherwise physically hurting them.
They may not be subjected to hypothermia or mock executions. It does not allow food, water and medical treatment to be withheld. Dogs may not be used in any aspect of interrogation."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/08/bush.torture.ap/index.html
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I'm hopeful that during the Obama administration Bush/Cheny and all their pals will be declared enemy combatants and of course they will need to be waterboarded to extract vital details about all their crimes against the United States
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Beats the hell out of being decapitated now doesn't it?????
Please people...........THINK!
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Power tools drilling holes in ur head or man pyrimids and mock drowning...sign me up for "man mids" and mock drowning. Libs are sooooo naive. When everybody else plays by the rules so will we. U can either get with the program or debate this crap from a fall-out shelter.
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Whats wrong with waterboarding ???
(http://www.soul-ride.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/wakeboarding.jpg)
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If it works....then nothing. Nobody dies...nobody is beheaded..drilled..burnt ...raped..etc etc. I'll debate if its the most effective. I think chemicals might work better. I'd still want the option on the table.
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Course if u promised em that chick..they'd tell u anything u wanted. :D
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If it works....then nothing. Nobody dies...nobody is beheaded..drilled..burnt ...raped..etc etc. I'll debate if its the most effective. I think chemicals might work better. I'd still want the option on the table.
Put ice picks in their balls, that'll work. Why does anyone care about how we treat our prisoners anyway? You think any of them care about how they treat us?
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U can't do that...there is plenty u can do. They don't follow any kind of rules regardless of what we do anyway. We can't be seen to be treating Iraqi prisoners badly and I agree with that. We're winning over the population regardless of what anybody on here thinks or says. None of them have access to anything more then same net news as the rest of us. As for AQ...screw em..put them on a plane or boat and make them disappeare until we get what we need.
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Power tools drilling holes in ur head or man pyrimids and mock drowning...sign me up for "man mids" and mock drowning. Libs are sooooo naive. When everybody else plays by the rules so will we. U can either get with the program or debate this crap from a fall-out shelter.
You're wasting your time.
It's not in the political best interests of socialist liberals for America to win the war against fascist Islam. Hell, it's not in their best interest for America to win against anyone or anything.
Yay globalism and multiculteralism. ::)
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I know....i just wonder what they'll do if and when AQ nukes a city. I'd suggest Berkely....
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Put ice picks in their balls, that'll work. Why does anyone care about how we treat our prisoners anyway? You think any of them care about how they treat us?
You probably don't care about many bad things, as long as they are not happening to you right this second.
First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
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I hear what ur saying but nobody is coming for u...and if they do war-horse and Neuro will protect u...oh wait they can't...sorry..guess ur fucked. If I'm not to busy collecting my "government welfare" i'll make sure ur constitutional rights aren't violated.
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I hear what ur saying but nobody is coming for u...and if they do war-horse and Neuro will protect u...oh wait they can't...sorry..guess ur fucked. If I'm not to busy collecting my "government welfare" i'll make sure ur constitutional rights aren't violated.
Warhorse has firearms and guns...... ;D
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hey mr COLA......aren't you navy ? i won't ask YOU any war stories.
hahahahaaaaaaaaa !
He's an Army officer, Neuro - not Navy.
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Put ice picks in their balls, that'll work.
It didn't work on that guy in Casino. They had to finally put his head in a vice.
Do the Geneva Conventions cover putting someone's head in a vice?
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The Geneva convention shouldn't even play apart in what happends in these situations.
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The Geneva convention shouldn't even play apart in what happends in these situations.
Not sure it even applies to terrorists.
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Not sure it even applies to terrorists.
It doesn't, thats why I made that statment. They are technically not military, they could careless about convention rules or laws, to the best of my knowledge, there is no military tribunal for these people that is why they are tried in criminal courts.
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It doesn't, thats why I made that statment. They are technically not military, they could careless about convention rules or laws, to the best of my knowledge, there is no military tribunal for these people that is why they are tried in criminal courts.
That's what I thought.
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It doesn't, thats why I made that statment. They are technically not military, they could careless about convention rules or laws, to the best of my knowledge, there is no military tribunal for these people that is why they are tried in criminal courts.
Okay Joe. Then I challenge you to answer this:
Bush made a bold move 3 months back by declaring iran's entire army a 'terror group'. Just labeled the entire army to be terrorists.
When we capture them, can we torture them too? I mean, they're been labeled as terrorists, right? Even though they have a nation of origin (which USED to be the standard for applying Geneva).
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Why such a bill would even come up in the house is beyond me.
If you think waterboarding is torture don't think about other Muslim countires that engage in things that are so horrific they cannot even be linked to torture...to their own people, in the name of religion.
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Okay Joe. Then I challenge you to answer this:
Bush made a bold move 3 months back by declaring iran's entire army a 'terror group'. Just labeled the entire army to be terrorists.
When we capture them, can we torture them too? I mean, they're been labeled as terrorists, right? Even though they have a nation of origin (which USED to be the standard for applying Geneva).
Whats your definition of torture Rob? As far as Iran, I agree with Bush, they are terrorists, the difference is they ARE military and are subject to Geneva laws and rules, personally I don't give a shit what he calls them!
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Whats your definition of torture Rob? As far as Iran, I agree with Bush, they are terrorists, the difference is they ARE military and are subject to Geneva laws and rules, personally I don't give a shit what he calls them!
A terrorist comes into your backyard, fucks your wife, kills your kid, and sends you to an invisible prison to be waterboarded and attacked by dogs while your naked.
This is Iraq to guantanamo bay. American military is the worlds greatest terrorists.
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A terrorist comes into your backyard, fucks your wife, kills your kid, and sends you to an invisible prison to be waterboarded and attacked by dogs while your naked.
This is Iraq to guantanamo bay. American military is the worlds greatest terrorists.
I asked you on another thread if you honestly believed that the American military are terrorists. It seems you do.
I would just ask you to keep in mind that the shitbags that commited the atrocities of murder and rape in Iraq (or anywhere on this planet) are very very small mininority of the armed forces.
If you really want to associate all the men and women in uniform with those criminals then that's your right. You're ignorant but it's your right.
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I'd leave it as ignorant...or just a plain douchbag.
Because this is what we do right...because U've been there and now that we're all terrorists... ::)
Soldiers Find, Raid Torture House
Posted on 03.06.2008 at 11:53AM
By Multi-National Division - Center
FORWARD OPERATING BASE KALSU, Iraq – Sons of Iraq led coalition forces to an al-Qaida in Iraq torture house and prison in northern Zambraniyah March 5.
The patrol was conducted based on intelligence provided by an SoI leader in the area, said Capt. Chris O’Brian, troop commander of Troop C, 6th Squadron, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, currently attached to 2nd BCT, 3rd Inf. Div.
“The guy wants to clean up the area,” said O’Brian, a native of Herndon, Va. “AQI killed half his family.” The SoI leader, who heads a group of 300 SoI, worked with his men in support of Troop C Soldiers on the patrol.
The patrol began early in the morning as Soldiers cleared houses in an area suspected of harboring insurgents, said O’Brian.
During the initial phase of the mission, the group came under small arms fire. Reacting to contact, the enemy, who was observed wearing black, ran away.
As the patrol continued, the group discovered a man dressed in black in a suspected AQI safe house. The man was detained on suspicion of involvement in insurgent activities and the likelihood that he was involved in the earlier attack.
SoIs are pointing out the bad guys in the neighborhood, O’Brian said, adding that they have also provided actionable intelligence.
Much of that intelligence indicated that there may be an AQI prison or torture house in the town, O’Brian said, noting that he was receiving reports on the possibility for the past week.
That intelligence led Soldiers to a house full of materials used by insurgents for torture.
O’Brian said they discovered hand cuffs, an electrocution system consisting of bare wires linked to an on / off switch running to handcuffs on a window bar, and hanging hooks used for humans.
Twelve interrogation books written in Arabic were found along with several sets of female clothing. A bloody handprint was also present.
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NO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE........
CAMP SALERNO, Afghanistan (AP) — A 19-year-old medic from Texas will become the first woman in Afghanistan and only the second female soldier since World War II to receive the Silver Star, the nation's third-highest medal for valor.
Army Spc. Monica Lin Brown saved the lives of fellow soldiers after a roadside bomb tore through a convoy of Humvees in the eastern Paktia province in April 2007, the military said.
After the explosion, which wounded five soldiers in her unit, Brown ran through insurgent gunfire and used her body to shield wounded comrades as mortars fell less than 100 yards away, the military said.
"I did not really think about anything except for getting the guys to a safer location and getting them taken care of and getting them out of there," Brown told The Associated Press on Saturday at a U.S. base in the eastern province of Khost.
Brown, of Lake Jackson, Texas, is scheduled to receive the Silver Star later this month. She was part of a four-vehicle convoy patrolling near Jani Kheil in the eastern province of Paktia on April 25, 2007, when a bomb struck one of the Humvees.
"We stopped the convoy. I opened up my door and grabbed my aid bag," Brown said.
She started running toward the burning vehicle as insurgents opened fire. All five wounded soldiers had scrambled out.
"I assessed the patients to see how bad they were. We tried to move them to a safer location because we were still receiving incoming fire," Brown said.
Pentagon policy prohibits women from serving in front-line combat roles — in the infantry, armor or artillery, for example. But the nature of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, with no real front lines, has seen women soldiers take part in close-quarters combat more than previous conflicts.
Four Army nurses in World War II were the first women to receive the Silver Star, though three nurses serving in World War I were awarded the medal posthumously last year, according to the Army's Web site.
Brown, of the 4th Squadron, 73rd Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, said ammunition going off inside the burning Humvee was sending shrapnel in all directions. She said they were sitting in a dangerous spot.
"So we dragged them for 100 or 200 meters, got them away from the Humvee a little bit," she said. "I was in a kind of a robot-mode, did not think about much but getting the guys taken care of."
For Brown, who knew all five wounded soldiers, it became a race to get them all to a safer location. Eventually, they moved the wounded some 500 yards away and treated them on site before putting them on a helicopter for evacuation.
"I did not really have time to be scared," Brown said. "Running back to the vehicle, I was nervous (since) I did not know how badly the guys were injured. That was scary."
The military said Brown's "bravery, unselfish actions and medical aid rendered under fire saved the lives of her comrades and represents the finest traditions of heroism in combat."
Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester, of Nashville, Tenn., received the Silver Star in 2005 for gallantry during an insurgent ambush on a convoy in Iraq. Two men from her unit, the 617th Military Police Company of Richmond, Ky., also received the Silver Star for their roles in the same action.
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A terrorist comes into your backyard, fucks your wife, kills your kid, and sends you to an invisible prison to be waterboarded and attacked by dogs while your naked.
This is Iraq to guantanamo bay. American military is the worlds greatest terrorists.
Once again, see above. This is exactly what we have done and are doing. To them our soldiers are terrorists. To us their soldiers are terrorists. No one is greater than the other side. Disgusting torture takes place daily because each side tries revenge for the others loved ones.
Al Quieda had no part in 9/11 except that they were trained by the CIA to do a job, and they did it.
Carry on, soldi..... ::)