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Seems like anything goes with this organization. :-\
Report: Planned Parenthood accepts racist donations
Posted on Mar 7, 2008 | by Katherine Kipp
WASHINGTON (BP)--Planned Parenthood -— an organization that calls itself pro-child, pro-woman and pro-life -— has been discovered allegedly accepting racist-motivated donations.
A recent investigation by The Advocate student magazine at the University of California at Los Angeles, produced phone recordings of Planned Parenthood affiliates in seven states approving a donor's racist motivation.
The magazine had an actor pose as a donor and call the clinics to see how Planned Parenthood employees would respond as he expressed openly racist comments. The actor said he wanted his gift to be used to abort African American babies to "lower the number of black people," according to The Advocate. None of the affiliates expressed reservations about the reason for the contribution, the magazine reported.
An Idaho Planned Parenthood staff member agreed on a telephone call that blacks should be implementing more abortions. According to The Advocate, the actor said in a phone call that "the less black kids out there the better." In response, Autumn Kersey, vice president of marketing and development for Planned Parenthood of Idaho, said she understood, according to the magazine. She also commented, LifeNews.com reported, "This is the first time I've had a donor call and make this kind of request, so I'm excited, and want to make sure I don't leave anything out."
Another phone recording caught an Ohio Planned Parenthood worker saying "we'll accept the money for whatever reason" in response to the actor's racist-motivated donation, The Advocate reported.
Outraged by the phone recordings, some UCLA students have been petitioning the school to cut off connections with Planned Parenthood.
Planned Parenthood of Idaho CEO Rebecca Poedy apologized for Kersey's comments initially, saying she made a "serious mistake," according to LifeNews. On Feb. 28, however, Poedy backtracked in remarks to the Boise Weekly, describing The Advocate as "extremist" and charging it had "manipulated a 25-minute conversation."
Clenard Childress, founder of BlackGenocide.org, said in a written statement, "No other ethnic group in the United States has been decimated more by abortion than the Afro-American community. The war being waged upon innocent captives in the womb is led by Planned Parenthood."
Black women were 4.8 times as likely as non-Hispanic white women to have abortions in 2005, according to a January report by the Guttmacher Institute. African Americans made up 12.3 percent of the United States population, according to the 2000 census, but black women had 36.3 percent of the abortions that same year, the Centers for Disease Control reported.
The Planned Parenthood Federation of America is the country's No. 1 abortion provider. More than 260,000 babies were aborted in its clinics in 2005, a 15 percent increase from 2002.
The report of receiving racist-motivated donors is not the only thing about Planned Parenthood that has brought recent protests.
Additionally:
-- Alveda King, niece of the late civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., denounced Planned Parenthood's use of her uncle's words and images on its website.
"Planned Parenthood is no stranger to deception," King said in a written release. "I know firsthand because prior to my abortion, a Planned Parenthood doctor told me my baby was just a 'blob of tissue.' Now, Planned Parenthood lies by trying to imply that my uncle would somehow endorse the organization today. He most certainly would not."
King said her uncle accepted an award from Planned Parenthood in 1966 before the organization began publicly advocating abortion and before abortion itself was legal nationwide. If he had known the true agenda, her uncle would not have associated with the organization, she said.
-- Planned Parenthood's TeenWire website "encourages kids to play sexual games or explore bisexuality and it gives teens advice on how to avoid telling their parents about a possible abortion," LifeNews reported Feb. 28.
Some content on the website is so graphic that certain Internet filters are preventing access to it, according to LifeNews.
-- The opening next fall of a 78,000-square-foot facility by the University of Houston also has prompted some protests. The Houston clinic will have an entire floor dedicated to late-term pregnancies, according to LifeSiteNews.com.
Planned Parenthood likes to locate near universities to make it easier for young women to use their abortion services, a Houston Coalition for Life spokeswoman told LifeSite.
This new facility exceeds by far the 22,000-square-foot clinic opened in Aurora, Ill., last year and the 50,000-square-foot facility being built in Denver.
Planned Parenthood receives nearly a third of its money in government grants and contracts that added up to $305.3 million in 2006. "With over $300 million in taxpayer funds, the organization has the U.S. government to thank for helping to promote these messages," Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said.
Pro-life members of Congress have been fighting for the federal government to stop funding the organization.
On Feb. 27, Virginia made some progress in that direction. Members of the Virginia Senate voted to cut off state funding of Planned Parenthood because of the number of abortions its performs each year.
Pro-choice Virginia senators opposed the ruling. Sen. Janet Howell claimed the amendment would lead to women dying from illegal abortions.
However, the legislation passed by the narrowest of margins. Senators tied 20-20, and Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, a Republican, broke the tie in favor of the measure, according to The Washington Post.
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Katherine Kipp is an intern with the Washington bureau of Baptist Press.
http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=27572
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Seems like anything goes with this organization. :-\
don't worry.
when the dems win the white house and you change parties (again) you'll love abortion for 4 years.
in 2012, depending on who wins, you can rewrite your core beliefs as you did in 92 and 00.
cheers
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"We'll accept donations for whatever reason." ::)
Here's the video:
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:P
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Seems like anything goes with this organization. :-\
Apparently they do stop at murdering doctors in cold blood. :)
The woman's handling of that rather aggressive call was bad, definitely. However, if you listen to the youtube vid, the rep was clearly uncomfortable and nervous but wanted to take the donation. That's her job. What was she supposed to do, say "sorry we can't take your donation cause you're a racist"? Like that happens a lot. Maybe what was going through her mind was that even though the caller was a POS, at least someone would benefit.
And yes, Beach, to answer your question, there is plenty that PP don't condone, but I notice this genius undercover sting operation is the BIG news on all the anti-choice sites today. Lol.
Rebecca Poedy, CEO of PP of Idaho said, "A fundraising employee violated the organization's principles and practices when she appeared to be willing to accept a racially motivated donation...We apologize for the manner in which this offensive call was handled. We take full responsibility for the actions of the fundraising staff member who created the impression that racism of any form would be tolerated at Planned Parenthood. We took swift action to ensure that each of our employees understands their responsibility to communicate clearly with donors about the fact that we believe in helping all individuals, regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation, make informed decisions about their reproductive health care."
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"We'll accept donations for whatever reason." ::)
Here's the video:
Dude that is just sick. >:(
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lol. Brutal truth mang.
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Apparently they do stop at murdering doctors in cold blood. :)
The woman's handling of that rather aggressive call was bad, definitely. However, if you listen to the youtube vid, the rep was clearly uncomfortable and nervous but wanted to take the donation. That's her job. What was she supposed to do, say "sorry we can't take your donation cause you're a racist"? Like that happens a lot. Maybe what was going through her mind was that even though the caller was a POS, at least someone would benefit.
And yes, Beach, to answer your question, there is plenty that PP don't condone, but I notice this genius undercover sting operation is the BIG news on all the anti-choice sites today. Lol.
Rebecca Poedy, CEO of PP of Idaho said, "A fundraising employee violated the organization's principles and practices when she appeared to be willing to accept a racially motivated donation...We apologize for the manner in which this offensive call was handled. We take full responsibility for the actions of the fundraising staff member who created the impression that racism of any form would be tolerated at Planned Parenthood. We took swift action to ensure that each of our employees understands their responsibility to communicate clearly with donors about the fact that we believe in helping all individuals, regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation, make informed decisions about their reproductive health care."
I listened the clip. That's beyond "bad." And nervous? She was "excited" as she said repeatedly. That was just sick.
And what was she supposed to do? Easy. Just say "no."
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I listened the clip. That's beyond "bad." And nervous? She was "excited" as she said repeatedly. That was just sick.
And what was she supposed to do? Easy. Just say "no."
Come Beach Bum, you know how hard raising money is these days.
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I love seeing these 400lb welfare mothers walk in to my city stores with, no joke, six or seven kids.. all of which immediately begin to trash the store, bite into any article of food, and start stealing while the fat, degenerate swine waddles around the store seeking the press on nail treatments/hair extensions completely oblivious to the fact that the whole lot is a waste of American $$$ and fresh air.
If these are the kind of people going to benefit from abortions being underwritten I'm not going to complain.
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Come Beach Bum, you know how hard raising money is these days.
Particularly for a shameful organization like Planned Parenthood.
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I love seeing these 400lb welfare mothers walk in to my city stores with, no joke, six or seven kids.. all of which immediately begin to trash the store, bite into any article of food, and start stealing while the fat, degenerate swine waddles around the store seeking the press on nail treatments/hair extensions completely oblivious to the fact that the whole lot is a waste of American $$$ and fresh air.
If these are the kind of people going to benefit from abortions being underwritten I'm not going to complain.
right on.
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If these are the kind of people going to benefit from abortions being underwritten I'm not going to complain.
Aren't you like a security guard or something? Might as well abort your contributions to the gene pool too.
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Particularly for a shameful organization like Planned Parenthood.
If Planned Parenthood did it's job in planning parenthood, abortions would not be need to be done. People always fall short.
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If Planned Parenthood did it's job in planning parenthood, abortions would not be need to be done. People always fall short.
They're doing their job just fine. Helping minors obtain abortions without their parents' knowledge and consent, while covering for men who impregnate them. Lovely organization.
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Aren't you like a security guard or something? Might as well abort your contributions to the gene pool too.
What's the matter?... truth hurts don't it?
;D
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Helping minors obtain abortions without their parents' knowledge and consent, while covering for men who impregnate them. Lovely organization.
Yeah, the parents must be informed. After all, they did such a wonderful job raising kids who wind up at the clinic. ::)
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What's the matter?... truth hurts don't it?
;D
Nothing's the matter. Just want to add you to the list....
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Parents should be informed.
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Nothing's the matter. Just want to add you to the list....
Oh i get it.. you must have been raised by a similar lot.
Im sorry :D
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They're doing their job just fine. Helping minors obtain abortions without their parents' knowledge and consent, while covering for men who impregnate them. Lovely organization.
Supply and Demand my friend and confidentiality extends to people we do not care for.
If PP did it's job perfectly in the planning stage, then there would be no need for abortions. But there is a need, a demand.
Personally I do not care for the procedure.
But in certain contexts I can understand it--rape, incest, severe mental retardation or defect.
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Oh i get it.. you must have been raised by a similar lot.
Im sorry :D
Don't get defensive. Terminating your "line" will be for the greater good.
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But in certain contexts I can understand it--rape, incest, severe mental retardation or defect.
Which makes up a small percentage of abortions. Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill IMO. They're unethical.
And parents should always be included in these decisions.
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Which makes up a small percentage of abortions. Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill IMO. They're unethical.
And parents should always be included in these decisions.
I understand your viewpoint.
I also do not think that you were raised in a home where the father let his fists do his talking for him. No rule or opinion should be absolute...as you pointed out in another thread, exceptions/excuses happen.
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Don't get defensive. Terminating your "line" will be for the greater good.
I have no need to defend myself.. im not the tragedy.
I promise to have lots of kids to offset your "defective species" lol
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I understand your viewpoint.
I also do not think that you were raised in a home where the father let his fists do his talking for him. No rule or opinion should be absolute...as you pointed out in another thread, exceptions/excuses happen.
So we allow minors to get abortions without parental involvement on the chance that they may be abused by a numbskull parent (a crime itself)? I seriously doubt that is the reason why Planned Parenthood does this.
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I listened the clip. That's beyond "bad." And nervous? She was "excited" as she said repeatedly. That was just sick.
And what was she supposed to do? Easy. Just say "no."
Well, having been on the telephone front lines myself, I can tell you that when confronted with strange people or their equally strange requests, it's common to be instructed to say things like "certainly" or "that's understandable." She said excited, but she sounded kind of turned off to me. It's ridiculous to think that people working at PP are racist, or condone racism. And, a swift apology was issued, so I don't know what else you want, but am assuming this is just more of your weird anti-abortion agenda. It IS kind of weird don't you think, constantly feeding guys on a bodybuilding message board this anti-abortion rhetoric... why don't you go somewhere and convince the women instead. Just a question.
Decker, PP is there for people who actively seek to abstain from becoming pregnant. You actually have to go in there and get the birth control. Then there are accidents that happen, sometimes regardless of one's efforts. Other times, a stupid decision leads to a desperate situation. And, then there are always the misunderstandings where one partner thinks the other is as commited to the relationship, only to find out, this wasn't so once the baby bell rings. Of course abortion's a horrible decision to have to make... but obviously, one that women wanted and fought for, for a reason. They, and their children, weren't treated particularly well when abortion was illegal.
I find it funny that those who want to abolish abortion and throw women back into the stone age in terms of personal freedom.. are also the ones who balk at paying the taxes required to raise all those crack babies, unwanted children, some of them severely ill, etc... typical.
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I have no need to defend myself.. im not the tragedy.
I promise to have lots of kids to offset your "defective species" lol
Hahaha, a racist Jewish security guard. How sad is that! Every other Jew is either a lawyer or a doctor or some kind of corporate bigshot. I'm sure your brethren will agree with me that it's time to put the "kibash" on your "line"
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I find it funny that those who want to abolish abortion and throw women back into the stone age in terms of personal freedom.. are also the ones who balk at paying the taxes required to raise all those crack babies, unwanted children, some of them severely ill, etc... typical.
;D ;D
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I find it funny that those who want to abolish abortion and throw women back into the stone age in terms of personal freedom.. are also the ones who balk at paying the taxes required to raise all those crack babies, unwanted children, some of them severely ill, etc... typical.
fundies are devoid of irony
everything makes perfect sense to them
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Well, having been on the telephone front lines myself, I can tell you that when confronted with strange people or their equally strange requests, it's common to be instructed to say things like "certainly" or "that's understandable." She said excited, but she sounded kind of turned off to me. It's ridiculous to think that people working at PP are racist, or condone racism. And, a swift apology was issued, so I don't know what else you want, but am assuming this is just more of your weird anti-abortion agenda. It IS kind of weird don't you think, constantly feeding guys on a bodybuilding message board this anti-abortion rhetoric... why don't you go somewhere and convince the women instead. Just a question.
Decker, PP is there for people who actively seek to abstain from becoming pregnant. You actually have to go in there and get the birth control. Then there are accidents that happen, sometimes regardless of one's efforts. Other times, a stupid decision leads to a desperate situation. And, then there are always the misunderstandings where one partner thinks the other is as commited to the relationship, only to find out, this wasn't so once the baby bell rings. Of course abortion's a horrible decision to have to make... but obviously, one that women wanted and fought for, for a reason. They, and their children, weren't treated particularly well when abortion was illegal.
I find it funny that those who want to abolish abortion and throw women back into the stone age in terms of personal freedom.. are also the ones who balk at paying the taxes required to raise all those crack babies, unwanted children, some of them severely ill, etc... typical.
So was the "swift apology" before or after they were outed? (That's sort of a rhetorical question.)
Go ahead and sugarcoat what the woman said, but I view her comments in connection with the other instances where Planned Parenthood has encouraged minors to get abortions and hide the fact that the fathers of their babies are adults. It is abortion at all costs and the law, ethics, racism, the parents, etc. don't matter.
Let me see if I understand your question: why am I discussing political topics on a political discussion board? Gee. I'm stumped . . . .
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fundies are devoid of irony
everything makes perfect sense to them
I have a couple of fundy acquaintances.... talking to them about politics is a surreal experience.
A lot of them actually believe that the Iraq war has kept us safe. I guess 9/11 has affected us in different ways.
One of my fundy acquaintances told me how he couldn't sleep on a red-eye flight from Charles De Gaulle to W. Africa because there was an "Arab" guy in business class who was acting "weird" And this was a few months ago.
I feel somewhat suspicious on occasion... But to me the biggest issue right now is the economy.
Also, think that national security can be handled far better than it has.
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So was the "swift apology" before or after they were outed? (That's sort of a rhetorical question.)
Go ahead and sugarcoat what the woman said, but I view her comments in connection with the other instances where Planned Parenthood has encouraged minors to get abortions and hide the fact that the fathers of their babies are adults. It is abortion at all costs and the law, ethics, racism, the parents, etc. don't matter.
Let me see if I understand your question: why am I discussing political topics on a political discussion board? Gee. I'm stumped . . . .
Umm... usually you apologize for something once you become aware of an issue. So in this case, that would be when they were "outed" as you say.
I'm not sugarcoating anything, just explaining that people are sometimes caught off guard, and that charity phone workers are instructed to use certain language, which a slow thinking person might pervert if they were caught by surprise.
What she did was wrong for sure, since PP is dependant on some government funding... btw, how many did they have to call to get one who flubbed? It didn't say in the "article." As for lying about the age of fathers, lol, protecting a 16-year-old boy from being prosecuted for the statutory rape of his 15-year-old girlfriend is a good thing to my mind. Why ruin two lives for nothing?
And you must admit, you and Colossus post a lot of anti-abortion rhetoric on a body-building board. I find that odd, and it does seem my perception, that anti-abortion people are always going after men. Maybe I'm wrong.
fundies are devoid of irony
everything makes perfect sense to them
I know. They must sleep the sleep of angels at night.
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Well, having been on the telephone front lines myself, I can tell you that when confronted with strange people or their equally strange requests, it's common to be instructed to say things like "certainly" or "that's understandable." She said excited, but she sounded kind of turned off to me. It's ridiculous to think that people working at PP are racist, or condone racism. And, a swift apology was issued, so I don't know what else you want, but am assuming this is just more of your weird anti-abortion agenda. It IS kind of weird don't you think, constantly feeding guys on a bodybuilding message board this anti-abortion rhetoric... why don't you go somewhere and convince the women instead. Just a question.
Decker, PP is there for people who actively seek to abstain from becoming pregnant. You actually have to go in there and get the birth control. Then there are accidents that happen, sometimes regardless of one's efforts. Other times, a stupid decision leads to a desperate situation. And, then there are always the misunderstandings where one partner thinks the other is as commited to the relationship, only to find out, this wasn't so once the baby bell rings. Of course abortion's a horrible decision to have to make... but obviously, one that women wanted and fought for, for a reason. They, and their children, weren't treated particularly well when abortion was illegal.
I find it funny that those who want to abolish abortion and throw women back into the stone age in terms of personal freedom.. are also the ones who balk at paying the taxes required to raise all those crack babies, unwanted children, some of them severely ill, etc... typical.
I understand. Before my wife and I got married, we used to go to PP to get our birth control.
As a matter of politics, the right views a abortion as a rock solid issue they cannot lose on. They frame the debate in this manner: "Who could be for the killing of innocent babies?" "...except degenerate liberals."
Discussing all the contingencies attendant to the decision by a mother to abort her fetus falls on deaf ears.
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Umm... usually you apologize for something once you become aware of an issue. So in this case, that would be when they were "outed" as you say.
I'm not sugarcoating anything, just explaining that people are sometimes caught off guard, and that charity phone workers are instructed to use certain language, which a slow thinking person might pervert if they were caught by surprise.
What she did was wrong for sure, since PP is dependant on some government funding... btw, how many did they have to call to get one who flubbed? It didn't say in the "article." As for lying about the age of fathers, lol, protecting a 16-year-old boy from being prosecuted for the statutory rape of his 15-year-old girlfriend is a good thing to my mind. Why ruin two lives for nothing?
And you must admit, you and Colossus post a lot of anti-abortion rhetoric on a body-building board. I find that odd, and it does seem my perception, that anti-abortion people are always going after men. Maybe I'm wrong.
I know. They must sleep the sleep of angels at night.
Just putting the "swift apology" in context.
I have no idea how many they called, but if you go back and look at the threads involving Planned Parenthood's improper activities, there were calls all over the country. And we're not talking about two minors having sex; there are recorded conversations from all over the country where Planned Parenthood encouraged girls as young as 13 or 14 to lie about whether the father of their babies are 19, 20, or older.
I haven't been keeping a scorecard for Colossus, but he posts about all sorts of political topics, just like most other people who regularly post on the board. It isn't odd for someone to post political topics on a politcial discussion board, or religion on a religious issues board, or sports on a sports issues board . . . or girl topics on an "Open Talk for Girl Discussion" board. That's sort of the whole point of having topic-specific boards.
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Hahaha, a racist Jewish security guard. How sad is that! Every other Jew is either a lawyer or a doctor or some kind of corporate bigshot. I'm sure your brethren will agree with me that it's time to put the "kibash" on your "line"
Hahahah!!! typical ostrch response... better label me a racist before you realize everything i say is completely true.
Then comes the hypocritical racist response with jew stereotypes..
good job making an ass of yourself.. AGAIN ;D
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Hahahah!!! typical ostrch response... better label me a racist before you realize everything i say is completely true.
Then comes the hypocritical racist response with jew stereotypes..
good job making an ass of yourself.. AGAIN ;D
So you are a Jewish security guard?
Wow! Must be the only one in N. America.
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So you are a Jewish security guard?
Wow! Must be the only one in N. America.
i am not a security guard
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i am not a security guard
My bad. Should I refer to you as a "loss prevention engineer"?
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My bad. Should I refer to you as a "loss prevention engineer"?
whatever makes you happy..
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Just putting the "swift apology" in context.
I have no idea how many they called, but if you go back and look at the threads involving Planned Parenthood's improper activities, there were calls all over the country. And we're not talking about two minors having sex; there are recorded conversations from all over the country where Planned Parenthood encouraged girls as young as 13 or 14 to lie about whether the father of their babies are 19, 20, or older.
I haven't been keeping a scorecard for Colossus, but he posts about all sorts of political topics, just like most other people who regularly post on the board. It isn't odd for someone to post political topics on a politcial discussion board, or religion on a religious issues board, or sports on a sports issues board . . . or girl topics on an "Open Talk for Girl Discussion" board. That's sort of the whole point of having topic-specific boards.
Yes, I would say the apology was swift. As soon as they found out what was going on, PP acted.
Beach, what if you were manning the phones for, let's say, a paliative care unit at your local hospital. People call all day and say things like "I'm giving you $15, how come you're giving me an eco bag as an appreciation gift, instead of a sweatshirt? I want a sweatshirt, otherwise I'm giving my money to xxx." You would be saying "I'll write it down" or "that's understandable," and here's why you should help the paliative care unit, blah, blah." That's what you are told to say. If someone called and said, "I'll give you money, but only if white people have access to that paliative care," what would you do? Take their money and be gleeful they aren't giving it to some white supremicist cause, while you are helping everyone, and placating that person with lies? Or just point blank, say 'no' because it would be a lie. The right answer is 'no' but if it was a split second decision, what would you do? Would you be tempted, even for a split second? After hearing about peoples' sweat shirt probs all day? :)
I'll leave it at that for today. :) The reason I like you beach, is because I feel you have your heart in the right place, but if only you didn't believe you were going to heaven.
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Yes, I would say the apology was swift. As soon as they found out what was going on, PP acted.
Beach, what if you were manning the phones for, let's say, a paliative care unit at your local hospital. People call all day and say things like "I'm giving you $15, how come you're giving me an eco bag as an appreciation gift, instead of a sweatshirt? I want a sweatshirt, otherwise I'm giving my money to xxx." You would be saying "I'll write it down" or "that's understandable," and here's why you should help the paliative care unit, blah, blah." That's what you are told to say. If someone called and said, "I'll give you money, but only if white people have access to that paliative care," what would you do? Take their money and be gleeful they aren't giving it to some white supremicist cause, while you are helping everyone, and placating that person with lies? Or just point blank, say 'no' because it would be a lie. The right answer is 'no' but if it was a split second decision, what would you do? Would you be tempted, even for a split second? After hearing about peoples' sweat shirt probs all day? :)
I'll leave it at that for today. :) The reason I like you beach, is because I feel you have your heart in the right place, but if only you didn't believe you were going to heaven.
I've done volunteer work manning phones, so I'm familiar with that enviornment. I can tell you that it wouldn't be hard at all for me to tell a person thanks but no thanks if they said what this guy said. And if you think about it, it's really much easier to turn someone like that down, rather than pretending like it's not a problem, taking the money, and then trying to rationalize it later.
Who said I was going to heaven? :)
You should post here more often.
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Yes, I would say the apology was swift. As soon as they found out what was going on, PP acted.
Deedee, I always have and will respect your opinion....but I whole heartedly disagree with your arguments. Have you ever read anything from Star Parker? You should. She had 4 abortions, yes FOUR! She is now a huge pro-life advocate. If anyone would have a legitimate viewpoint on the whole abortion debate, I would think she would.
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... Have you ever read anything from Star Parker? ....
Is she that TV psychic astrologer?
4 abortions. That's beyond irresponsible.
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Deedee, I always have and will respect your opinion....but I whole heartedly disagree with your arguments. Have you ever read anything from Star Parker? You should. She had 4 abortions, yes FOUR! She is now a huge pro-life advocate. If anyone would have a legitimate viewpoint on the whole abortion debate, I would think she would.
"Now" she is a pro-lifer? Sounds like she's expressing guilt. I haven't read anything about her in regards to abortion but that fact that she had 4 of them, killed 4 babies, avoided responsibility 4 times, was very selfish 4 times, tells me this lady doing this becuase she's likely motivated by guilt.
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"Now" she is a pro-lifer? Sounds like she's expressing guilt. I haven't read anything about her in regards to abortion but that fact that she had 4 of them, killed 4 babies, avoided responsibility 4 times, was very selfish 4 times, tells me this lady doing this becuase she's likely motivated by guilt.
You gotta read her story, bro. Then you'll see where's she's coming from.
Is she that TV psychic astrologer?
4 abortions. That's beyond irresponsible.
One is OK though, right? Deck, you gotta seriously check into her life story. If anyone could bring the truest perspective to atrocities of abortion and welfare, she can provide that. Problem is, no one wants to listen. Check out my post on the Religion Thread...
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This has got to be a BS story ::) I can't even fathom some neonazi or kkk or other org. tossing money to a liberal cause ::) Pu-lease....
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You gotta read her story, bro. Then you'll see where's she's coming from.
One is OK though, right? Deck, you gotta seriously check into her life story. If anyone could bring the truest perspective to atrocities of abortion and welfare, she can provide that. Problem is, no one wants to listen. Check out my post on the Religion Thread...
One is not good but four is recidivistic. I will look at your thread.
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One is not good but four is recidivistic. I will look at your thread.
Thanks, bro. ;)
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Apparently happened in Ohio too. http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/308723.html