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FISA Fight: Chertoff on NSA Wiretaps
mcjoan
Daily Kos
March 10, 2008
In the last few weeks we’ve had Bush’s executive order which gutted the Intelligence Oversight Board, bring all "oversight" functions under the executive. We’ve had the the revelations from whistle-blower Babak Pasdar, Wikileaks published a purported letter from Cablevision Systems Corp. to the FBI showing that "the FBI using the Patriot Act to obtain information not related to terrorism. In this case customer data from Cablevision is obtained which is used for non-terror related investigations." And today was the WSJ’s explosive story on the massive scope of the NSA’s reach.
If that wasn’t damning enough, this information ends up in the utterly incompetent hands of Michael Chertoff at DHS. How bad is it? Check out this extremely well-timed interview by Jeff Stein, national security editor at CQ, with DHS director Michael Chertoff, who claims Sgt. Schultz style, "I know nuthink!"
Another government information pipe burst last week, leaking details of yet more possibly illegal taps on our e-mails and telephone calls.
But even as news broke that a wireless carrier had discovered a security breach traced to Quantico, Va., home to a U.S. Marine Corps base and the FBI Academy, Michael Chertoff was telling me that what the Department of Homeland Security does with such information is none of my business — or his, either, for that matter.
"All we get is product. We may get product that is incorporated in analysis, and we may not know exactly what the source of each is, or it may be generically described," Chertoff told me and a half dozen other bloggers gathered in a small room at the Ronald Reagan Building on March 3.
"I’m not going to speculate where it comes from," he added. Nor would he say where it goes or how it’s used….
Me [Stein]: Were you aware that this program was ongoing with the telecomm companies?
Chertoff: I don’t know what program you’re talking about.
Me: I’m talking about harvesting information —
Chertoff: I’m not — but you see, you’re assuming stuff you’ve read in the paper.
Me: I’m not. I’m asking you for information.
Chertoff: I’m telling you I have received — we get information from the intelligence community. It can be collected from a variety of sources. I don’t know which program it comes under. I don’t know whether it’s got a warrant or doesn’t have a warrant. I don’t know whether it’s collected — I mean, as soon as I can contextually tell where it’s collected or not collected.
So I don’t know if it’s under this program or that program. None of that is known to me. All I know is, incorporated in the massive intelligence we get is all these different streams of intelligence, which help us decide whether we need to do something to protect the country or not.
I can’t verify your assumptions concerning whether something was under this program or that program. I have no basis to accept your characterization of harvesting, which doesn’t strike me as having any legal significance….
Beyond the question of basic competence, the problem here is pointed out by John Rollins, who had been chief of staff to Chertoff’s predecessor, Tom Ridge. Illegally obtained information–obtained from those warrantless wiretaps–could have gone out to local law enforcement.
"Setting aside the fact that the secretary is a former federal court judge who spent a career in the Justice Department, and also has a staff of lawyers conversant in civil liberty and corporate liability issues, it’s pretty damn insincere for him to, at best, claim uncertainty, or at worst, maintain willful ignorance of not knowing how information on U.S. citizens is obtained or where it came from," Rollins told me by e-mail.
"One can’t be the benefactor of a piece of information while simultaneously claiming it is not my responsibility to figure out how the information landed in my inbox," he said.
These people are not to be trusted with our civil liberties, much less our national security. That a Democratic Congress is even thinking of giving these people expanded intelligence powers–and closing off any avenue left open to investigating just how far they’ve already over-reached by granting telco amnesty–is a travesty.
The FISA legislation should be tabled now. There is more than ample evidence to show that it would be far more dangerous to give this administration any more leeway on domestic intelligence than it would be to continue to operate under the existing, and adequate, FISA law.
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7 Responses to “FISA Fight: Chertoff on NSA Wiretaps”
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NWO4No1 Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
…All dual citizenship (Israeli/American) Zionists need to be ejected from this country after being thrown down the steps of the White House…
The Muckraker Report predicts that left unchecked by the American people, the United States will be coaxed or hoaxed into bombing / invading Iran before the end of the Bush Administration. If Israeli / American Intelligence determines that the American people are losing their will to start a new war in the Middle East, the United States will experience another terror attack on American soil with all initial intelligence pointing at Iran as the perpetrator. By the time truth surfaces, the U.S. will already be militarily committed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran, with no end in sight, and Israel will be busy “shaping the Middle East” with the blood, sweat, and tears of the American people. Like the Odigo instant message (Israeli Company sent text message warning Israelis 2 hours prior the attacks to “get out and stay away from WTC”), you have been forewarned.
Also, (Google Iran Oil Bourge)
http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id246.html
BTW. This is not an alex jones interveiw, so read more clearly...
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Doesn't effect my life, does it effect your's?
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All this from the far left hate site...the daily Kos...all of which is a bullshit smoke screen for the New York governor sex scandal.
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All this from the far left hate site...the daily Kos...all of which is a bullshit smoke screen for the New York governor sex scandal.
So was blow jobs int he bathroom by that senator a smoke screen for the Iraq war? ;D
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That was the last scandal...this guy was the law and order Gov. If he was a republican there would a thread 40 pages long on his hypocrisy. Instead we get crickets..why..because libs are the kings of the double standard.
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That was the last scandal...this guy was the law and order Gov. If he was a republican there would a thread 40 pages long on his hypocrisy. Instead we get crickets..why..because libs are the kings of the double standard.
Nobody's stopping you from having your 40 pg thread. Go for it.
Maybe the Coach can give us some insight on people who are unable to sexually satisfy their significant others.
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Nobody's stopping you from having your 40 pg thread. Go for it.
Maybe the Coach can give us some insight on people who are unable to sexually satisfy their significant others.
Just like a lib........couldn't stick to the issue if he tried.
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Just like a lib........couldn't stick to the issue if he tried.
Just like an idiot.... can't tell who changed the subject first.
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Doesn't effect my life, does it effect your's?
Please read the article about ignorance in the USA in the Gossip and Opinion board.
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To the Crotch and ChickenHeadHunter: you both, like your beloved Bush adminstration, are traitors to America and its Constitution.
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To the Crotch and ChickenHeadHunter: you both, like your beloved Bush adminstration, are traitors to America and its Constitution.
That's very true.
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Coach must not know any better. No one would purposely... never mind.
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That was the last scandal...this guy was the law and order Gov. If he was a republican there would a thread 40 pages long on his hypocrisy. Instead we get crickets..why..because libs are the kings of the double standard.
like this http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=165215.0
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That was the last scandal...this guy was the law and order Gov. If he was a republican there would a thread 40 pages long on his hypocrisy. Instead we get crickets..why..because libs are the kings of the double standard.
I don't think so, HH6. 1 thread started on him and it was for having sex with hookers, but the other guy, was actively engage in random sex acts with men in the bathroom. It's really bigger news. Because, it's conservatives that are commonly accepted by the public as the ones who side farther from gay rights than libs do. Some public official having sex with hookers is not near as "juicy" as a public official having random BJ's in the airport lavs.
Besides i was just being a smart ass becuase your stereotyping was showing again.
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To the Crotch and ChickenHeadHunter: you both, like your beloved Bush adminstration, are traitors to America and its Constitution.
Hey douchebag..when u've done anything for this country please let me know....I won't hold my breath. I didn't vote for Bush anyway.
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Hey douchebag..when u've done anything for this country please let me know....I won't hold my breath.
Odds are he has a job that actually contributes to the GDP... instead of having one that helps drain it.
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Odds are he has a job that actually contributes to the GDP... instead of having one that helps drain it.
LOL. ;D
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Maybe the Coach can give us some insight on people who are unable to sexually satisfy their significant others.
Ouch.