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McCain in Dead Heat with Obama, Hillary
Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:00 PM
The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC Poll released Wednesday night shows John McCain is now statistically tied with Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
Here's the poll summary:
McCain 44%
Obama 47%
McCain 45%
Clinton 47%
In the Democratic race:
Clinton 47%
Obama 43%
The survey, conducted March 7- 10, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/McCain_tied_democrats/2008/03/12/79995.html?promo_code=2A89-1
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ah, didn't Murdock take over the Wall Street Journal? I wouldn't put much faith in this. They're desperate to get Hillary and they know the main thing a lot of dems are jumping on with Obama is that he has consistently for months showed a better chance of beating McCain. Now magically that differential of hate for Hillary went poof, gone? LOL, ok...
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Once the Dems have their nominee, McCain will become the White male candidate.
Yes, he benefits from the Dems beating up on one another, but he primarily benefits from being White and male. The other stuff (platform, experience, attitude, etc.) doesn't really matter.
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I'm a white male who has always voted republican.
I'm open to voting outside my party for the first time. because the repub candidate tells me there's nothing wrong with the economy, no recession coming, and that the bush economic plan is working great.
Those words are either delusional, or lies. And I dont want to vote for a liar, or a deluded person.
Hilary might be a snake, obama might be inexperienced, but they both admit there is a problem with the economic policy in place. Mccain tells me everything is super duper.
Oil is $110 a barrel today. It was $26 in 2001.
Dollar at alltime lows against Euro, giant new low against yen, and it's getting worse.
Mccain wont admit this.
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ah, didn't Murdock take over the Wall Street Journal? I wouldn't put much faith in this. They're desperate to get Hillary and they know the main thing a lot of dems are jumping on with Obama is that he has consistently for months showed a better chance of beating McCain. Now magically that differential of hate for Hillary went poof, gone? LOL, ok...
Does Murdock control Rasmussen, Gallup, and Newsweek? They're all showing the same thing.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
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Zogby Poll: McCain Bests Both Obama, Clinton
Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:06 PM
UTICA, New York – Riding high after locking up his party’s presidential nomination, Republican John McCain of Arizona has moved ahead of both of his potential Democratic Party rivals in a national general election test, the latest Zogby telephone survey shows.
Perhaps profiting from the continuing political battle across the aisle, McCain would defeat Hillary Clinton of New York by six points and Barack Obama of Illinois by 5 points, the survey shows. Clinton and Obama are locked in a tight battle to win the Democratic Party nomination, a fight that has grown nasty at times recently and threatens to continue on all summer long until the party’s national convention in Denver this August.
The telephone survey of 1,001 likely voters nationwide was conducted by live operators calling from Zogby’s call center in Upstate New York on March 13-14, 2008. It carries a margin of error of +/- 3.2 percentage points.
Prospective General Election Match-up
3-13/14
McCain
45%
Clinton
39%
Nader
6%
Not sure/Someone else
11%
The introduction of long-time activist Ralph Nader into the mix is having an effect on the race, as he wins enough support to make a difference, the poll shows. Nader entered the race recently, charging that there is little difference between the Republican and Democratic parties and their presidential candidates. Using the same argument eight years ago, his presence on the ballot in Florida may well have tipped the presidential election away from Democrat Al Gore and in favor of George W. Bush. His run four years ago yielded less dramatic results, but the political atmosphere has changed since 2004, and may be more favorable for him again, the Zogby survey shows.
In the McCain-Clinton-Nader match-up, McCain leads mainly because of a significant advantage among independents. Among those voters, he wins support from 45%, compared to 28% for Clinton and 15% for Nader. McCain wins 79% support from Republicans, while Clinton wins 75% support from Democrats.
Clinton leads only among those voters under age 30, while McCain leads among all voters over age 30. Nader also does well among the young, winning 12% support among those under age 30. Among men, McCain leads 51% to 33% for Clinton. Among women, Clinton leads, 45% to 40% for McCain. Nader wins 8% among men and 3% among women.
Nader also does particularly well as a third-party candidate among progressives, winning 15% support from the group that would very likely otherwise go to Clinton were he not in the race. At the other end of the ideological scale, he wins 12% among libertarians. He also wins 6% support among both conservatives and liberals.
Prospective General Election Match-up
3-13/14
McCain
44%
Obama
39%
Nader
5%
Not sure/Someone else
11%
In the McCain-Obama-Nader match-up, the independent candidate is having the same effect. Nader wins 15% support among political independents nationwide.
Ideologically, Nader wins 18% support among progressives, and 12% among libertarians. He does less well among mainline conservatives and liberals compared to the match-up including Clinton.
An interesting factor in this race: the inroads McCain has made into Obama’s base and vice versa. McCain wins 19% support from Democrats, while Obama captures just 67% of voters in his own party. Obama wins 15% support among Republicans, compared to 73% for McCain.
As is the case in the McCain-Clinton-Nader contest, Obama wins among voters under age 30, while McCain leads among all voters age 30 and older. Nader wins 15% support among those under age 30, but has little support among older voters.
Among men, McCain leads Obama 48% to 34%, while Obama holds a slim 43% to 41% edge over McCain among women. Nader wins 6% among men and 4% among women.
Pollster John Zogby: “Nader’s presence in the race can potentially turn a lulu of a race into an absolute tizzy. The messages to Democrats are clear – number one, Nader may win enough support to get into the general election debates. Number two, what could be at risk is support among several key constituencies that the Democratic Party candidate will need to win in November, notably younger voters, independents, and progressives.”
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/McCain_over_Obama_Clinton/2008/03/15/80707.html
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Does anyone remember those polls from last year where Guiliani was PRESUMPTIVE front runner and McCain's staff was bailing out?
IMO - these polls don't mean shit
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Does anyone remember those polls from last year where Guiliani was PRESUMPTIVE front runner and McCain's staff was bailing out?
IMO - these polls don't mean shit
remember when Zogby said 67% of Americans want a new 911 investigation?
BB called polls nonsense then.
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Obama's lost a lot of his momentum, and the McCain campaign loves seeing all the infighting on the Dem side.
Even without Nader in the race, McCain looks like a near lock to win in November.
More on this from me later, but although the GOP may not realize or admit it, having the rebellious McCain as their guy *really* helps them in the general election, because moderate liberals would be far more inclined to support him than Romney or Huckabee or any other so-called 'conversative' wannabe.
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Obama's lost a lot of his momentum, and the McCain campaign loves seeing all the infighting on the Dem side.
Even without Nader in the race, McCain looks like a near lock to win in November.
More on this from me later, but although the GOP may not realize or admit it, having the rebellious McCain as their guy *really* helps them in the general election, because moderate liberals would be far more inclined to support him than Romney or Huckabee or any other so-called 'conversative' wannabe.
it certainly isn't helping that Obama and Clinton and fighting each other.
I assume at some point there are still going to be a debate or two between the Dem and Republican candidates and that's where McCain is going to look bad - especially if he's facing Obama.
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remember that the general election is still 8 months away. that's quite a long time for things to 'reset', as they always do. I was reading about the 1992 election... at one point, perot had a 10 or 15 point lead over Bush1 and Clinton was way behind... then the war ended (gulf war 1) and the dems grabbed the nomination easily. When people aren't scared, but they are broek, they vote dem. All the infighting will be a distant memory by then.
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remember that the general election is still 8 months away. that's quite a long time for things to 'reset', as they always do. I was reading about the 1992 election... at one point, perot had a 10 or 15 point lead over Bush1 and Clinton was way behind... then the war ended (gulf war 1) and the dems grabbed the nomination easily. When people aren't scared, but they are broek, they vote dem. All the infighting will be a distant memory by then.
also a good point. Polls this far out just seem pointless (other than maybe to try to form public opinion). To me it seems like trying to predict the weather 8 months from now.
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This fighting could continue until the Dem convention. All the while Mccain goes around the world..solidifies his postions and his money. Not to mention what kind of issues the infighting generates
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This fighting could continue until the Dem convention. All the while Mccain goes around the world..solidifies his postions and his money. Not to mention what kind of issues the infighting generates
repubs could be running George Washington... but if he's parroting the Bush economic plan while the dollar freefalls, he ain't getting elected.
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This fighting could continue until the Dem convention. All the while Mccain goes around the world..solidifies his postions and his money. Not to mention what kind of issues the infighting generates
True.
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This fighting could continue until the Dem convention. All the while Mccain goes around the world..solidifies his postions and his money. Not to mention what kind of issues the infighting generates
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240, I think your extrapolating McCain's platforms.
I have never heard him say there are no economic problems, in fact, I have heard the contrary. He is just not a supporter of adjusting tax %ages to fix our economic and social issues. That doesn't mean he wouldn't act on these issues, just that adjusting taxation is not the best way to attack. I hope he would continue his fight against lobbyists and earmarks, many politicians say they will, but at least McCain has a good track record on that. What worries me about him is continued military spending abroad!
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I'd love to hear him clarify his positions then. We know he refused to criticize white house or bush's policy, or admit the economy was in any kind of trouble, during the debates. Then we know he supported the bush tax cuts this year after rejecting them before. Then he admits he doesn't know much about the economy. Then he refuses to address the economy now as things worsen, his staff choosing a trip to Iraq to make that the issue, not the economy.
I don't like it when the country is facing financial crisis, and the man who wants to be president is pointint focus elsewhere, so he can avoid taking a position on the matter. If he would say "let's keep things the same" and dollar crashes, then Mccain looks bad. If he says we need change, as the dems say, and there is no change, he looks bad.
He's playing it safe by not commenting on the economy, but his standing comments say he supports bush tax plan and cuts and as you mentioned, war spending.
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There's a house up the street that sold for $899,000 back in 2005. It's now on the market for $599,000. I'm considering putting in a lowball offer, but even at that price, it might very well be priced $100,000 or more over its actual value.
It's safe to say that our economy is in shambles. :)
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Zogby: McCain Best for '3 A.M.' Crisis
Monday, March 17, 2008 6:45 AM
The recent Hillary Clinton campaign advertisement asking who Americans want answering the phone in the White House when a crisis erupts at 3 a.m. has sparked a national debate about which candidate would best handle such a phone call. But while the ad was designed to boost the Clinton candidacy, likely voters nationwide say they would feel more secure having Republican John McCain answering the call of a crisis, a new Zogby International telephone poll shows.
Given the choice between Clinton and McCain, 55% preferred McCain while 37% would want Clinton to answer the phone, while 9% said they were unsure.
If there is a crisis in the world and the telephone rings at 3 a.m. in the White House, who would you feel more secure answering that phone Hillary Clinton or John McCain?
Hillary Clinton
37%
John McCain
55%
Not sure
9%
Between McCain and Obama, 56% favored McCain while 35% preferred Obama, with 10% saying they couldnt make up their mind on the question.
The ad, which first ran in Texas in the days leading up to the March 4 primary election there, was designed to boost Clinton’s claim that she is more experienced than Obama, a familiar Clinton campaign theme this year. McCain is considered strong on national defense.
If there is a crisis in the world and the telephone rings at 3 a.m. in the White House, who would you feel more secure answering that phone John McCain or Barack Obama?
John McCain
56%
Barack Obama
35%
Not sure
10%
McCain, who calls himself a conservative, makes big inroads across ideological lines on the question, the survey shows, as 25% of the very liberal and 32% of mainline liberals prefer he answer the phone instead of Clinton, and 23% of the very liberal and 35% of mainline liberals prefer him over Obama. Just 15% of conservatives prefer Clinton take the call, and 16% of conservatives would rather have Obama taking a crisis phone call instead of McCain.
The telephone poll using live operators from Zogby’s call center in Upstate New York included 1,004 likely voters nationwide and was conducted March 13-14, 2008. It carries a margin of error of +/- 3.2 percentage points. Totals in charts may not add up to 100% due to rounding.
The survey shows that among all voters Democrats, Republicans, and independents there is a near-equal preference for Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to answer a crisis phone call as President. When given the choice between them, 37% preferred Clinton, while 36% preferred Obama. Another 27% of all voters said they were unsure.
But among just Democrats, Clinton is preferred by 48%, compared to 38% of Democrats who said they would rather have Obama answer the phone. Among just Democrats, 14% said they were unsure.
If there is a crisis in the world and the telephone rings at 3 a.m. in the White House, who would you feel more secure answering that phone Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama?
Hillary Clinton
37%
Barack Obama
36%
Not sure
27%
Among all voters regardless of partisan affiliation, in the race between Obama and Clinton, Obama is favored by a wide 49% to 32% margin among the very liberal, while mainline liberals favored Clinton by a 50% to 38% edge. Among moderates, Clintons edge is 44% to 34%, while conservatives preferred Obama, 39% to 36% for Clinton, with the rest of conservatives declining to make a choice.
And among all voters, women favored Clinton over Obama by a 42% to 34% margin, with 24% unsure. Men favored Obama, 38% to 32%, with 30% undecided.
http://newsmax.com/insidecover/McCain_best_in_crisis/2008/03/17/80911.html
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I would also like to know more specifics in McCain's economic plans. I was just pointing out that I don't remember him denying that we have a struggling economy.
I don't think taxing the shit out of the middle and upper class is the right course of action. Decreasing government spending is the wisest choice IMO, thats why I voted for Ron Paul.
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There's a house up the street that sold for $899,000 back in 2005. It's now on the market for $599,000. I'm considering putting in a lowball offer, but even at that price, it might very well be priced $100,000 or more over its actual value.
It's safe to say that our economy is in shambles. :)
are you somewhere in Alameda county?
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If bb is right. Then china will take over the US along with russia in no time. We have no money for more wars, and no men to fight them......game over if mccain gets in.
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If bb is right. Then china will take over the US along with russia in no time. We have no money for more wars, and no men to fight them......game over if mccain gets in.
No, game over if China decides to either call in their loans or to just do a hostile takeover.
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For that 3 AM crisis, I'd say the best option to take that call, given the 2009 options, would be:
1. Bill Clinton (when hilary hands him the phone)
2. Mccain
3. hilary
4. Obama
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yet another fake issue that the public wastes their time thinking about.
I wonder if they even bother trying to wake up Bush
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This one is better. At least it's got a phone call @ 3am. I wonder if this is where Hillary got the idea in the first place
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I would also like to know more specifics in McCain's economic plans. I was just pointing out that I don't remember him denying that we have a struggling economy.
I don't think taxing the shit out of the middle and upper class is the right course of action. Decreasing government spending is the wisest choice IMO, thats why I voted for Ron Paul.
Mccain said the economy was doing well and that it was on solid underpinnings a month ago.
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Poll: McCain, Obama, Clinton in dead heat in election matchup
By Alexander Mooney
CNN Washington Bureau
(CNN) -- Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would both statistically tie Republican John McCain in a general election matchup, a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll indicates.
A new poll shows either Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in a statistical tie with John McCain.
According to the poll released Tuesday morning, both Obama and Clinton are locked in a dead heat with the Arizona senator.
If Obama were to win the nomination, he would get 47 percent of the vote compared to 46 percent for McCain -- a statistical tie given the poll's 3 percentage point margin of error. Should Clinton win the nomination, the poll suggests she would get 49 percent compared to McCain's 47 percent -- another statistical tie.
While Clinton and Obama match up equally with McCain, CNN Polling Director Keating Holland notes the two Democrats appear to be drawing support from different groups of voters.
"Clinton appears to do a little bit better than Obama among older voters, women, and self-identified Democrats against McCain; Obama's numbers may be slightly better among younger voters and those who describe themselves as Republicans and Independents," Holland said.
The poll also shows all three presidential candidates get high marks from voters on the issue of the economy -- roughly two-thirds of those surveyed say each of the candidates would do a good job handling the issue. This appears to be good news for McCain, given that the incumbent president's party is often blamed for economic woes.
"The fact that McCain is currently holding his own on the economy with the two Democratic candidates does help to explain why the general election matchups are so close even though most Americans think the country is in a recession," Holland said.
McCain is also aided by his strength on the terrorism issue. Roughly three-quarters of all Americans think McCain would do a good job fighting terror while Obama and Clinton score significantly lower -- although a majority of those polled think either Democrat would do a good job.
But Obama and Clinton both get higher points than McCain on handling health care. More than two-thirds say the two Democrats would handle that issue well, while 57 percent who say the same for McCain. And nearly 1 in 5 voters say that the nation's health care system is their top concern -- almost twice as many as the 10 percent that cite terrorism.
On immigration, McCain and Obama get roughly the same high marks on the issue, with Clinton close behind.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/candidate.poll/index.html
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Beach. Are you prepared to admit your wrong if mccain gets elected and the country goes into a depression of epic proportions and food lines start for govt cheese and bread.??
This is what will happen if a bush crony carries on as business as usual........He will continue to give tax rebates to the rich, he will not help homeowners but will help big banks bail out as bush has done........Taxes will rise, inflation will rise, unemployment will rise, bankruptcys will rise....
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Beach. Are you prepared to admit your wrong if mccain gets elected and the country goes into a depression of epic proportions and food lines start for govt cheese and bread.??
This is what will happen if a bush crony carries on as business as usual........He will continue to give tax rebates to the rich, he will not help homeowners but will help big banks bail out as bush has done........Taxes will rise, inflation will rise, unemployment will rise, bankruptcys will rise....
Admit that I'm wrong about what? The poll numbers?
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Admit that I'm wrong about what? The poll numbers?
I assume you support mccain and will vote for him, Right??
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I assume you support mccain and will vote for him, Right??
Well I ain't voting for Hillary or Obama. :) I'm not a huge McCain fan, but yes I will vote for him over Obama or Hillary. What does that have to do with me posting poll numbers?
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Well I ain't voting for Hillary or Obama. :) I'm not a huge McCain fan, but yes I will vote for him over Obama or Hillary. What does that have to do with me posting poll numbers?
Just mentioning that your eternal support for the status quo, will be devastating to the country. If things get worse, will you admit it or stay loyaly blind??
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Just mentioning that your eternal support for the status quo, will be devastating to the country. If things get worse, will you admit it or stay loyaly blind??
Actually, you asked me to admit that I was "wrong" after posting poll numbers.
In any event, I don't need to admit that not supporting a quasi-socialist is wrong, because I'll never support a quasi-socialist agenda. If things get "worse," it won't be because we didn't allow the federal government to take even more control over our lives and spend even more of our hard earned money.
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Actually, you asked me to admit that I was "wrong" after posting poll numbers.
In any event, I don't need to admit that not supporting a quasi-socialist is wrong, because I'll never support a quasi-socialist agenda. If things get "worse," it won't be because we didn't allow the federal government to take even more control over our lives and spend even more of our hard earned money.
For the second time let me clarify. If mccain fvcks up the USA and we slide into a full scale depression, then are you ready to admit your a blind ignorant dummy.....for voting for "more of the same" mccain.
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I fully agree with not voting for a more socialist agenda. There are ways to solve the government and economic problems in this country without a more powerful government that takes more of our $ for programs, aid and wars. How about some economic & fiscal responsibility from the federal gov!
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For the second time let me clarify. If mccain fvcks up the USA and we slide into a full scale depression, then are you ready to admit your a blind ignorant dummy.....for voting for "more of the same" mccain.
Puh-leaze. McCain isn't Bush. Some people don't even think he's a conservative, so saying he's "more of the same" is factually inaccurate. We don't know exactly what McCain will do as president. Besides, the Congress and the states have more to do with the economy and the lives of everyday citizens than the president.
And I'll repeat that I will not admit I was "wrong" for not supporting a quasi-socialist. If you want to vote for a quasi-socialist, be my guest.
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I fully agree with not voting for a more socialist agenda. There are ways to solve the government and economic problems in this country without a more powerful government that takes more of our $ for programs, aid and wars. How about some economic & fiscal responsibility from the federal gov!
Yeah. What he said.
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I fully agree with not voting for a more socialist agenda. There are ways to solve the government and economic problems in this country without a more powerful government that takes more of our $ for programs, aid and wars. How about some economic & fiscal responsibility from the federal gov!
I don't think you'll get that with either party. Repubs spend more and Dems tax more. Our government is inefficient and bloated
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I fully agree with not voting for a more socialist agenda. There are ways to solve the government and economic problems in this country without a more powerful government that takes more of our $ for programs, aid and wars. How about some economic & fiscal responsibility from the federal gov!
heres some proof of quasi-socialism for you.....repubs are all for it.
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heres some proof of quasi-socialism for you.....repubs are all for it.
lol . . . And who was in control of the Congress during these periods?
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lol . . . And who was in control of the Congress during these periods?
Control of congress with a 60% majority would be a requirement for having absolute decision making ability, as the prez has with his veto power. Today's congress, although a 51% majority Dem, cannot override bush decisions because they don't have 60% of control. You should know that.
Personally, the ONLY issue I care about at this point is the economy. If Mccain will fix it, I'll vote for him. if Obama will fix it, he gets my vote. I seriously hope one or both of them chooses a VP with a strong background in finance.