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i know this has been brought up before, but i'm noticing something like this on my own chest and am worried about turning out like these guys. been to docs, they say its untreatable.
for any doctors in the house, is this able to be prevented from getting any worse?
below are pics of Markus and Scott at stages where u can clearly see the tendons attaching to the sternum have torn off, leaving a gap down the middle between the left and right pecs (in scotts case). Markus' tearing has started on his right pec, lower sternum area. thanks for any help.
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Wow, poor Markus is finished.
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Thats looks bad :o
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You can quit going heavy on bench presses. The problem with Steiner is that on a nightly basis he would have to wrestle and stretch and tear his pecs worst. Picking and throwing people day after day will wear on you. Just start taking it a little easier on chest and be careful stretching it too much with flyes and crossovers.
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:'(
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i know this has been brought up before, but i'm noticing something like this on my own chest and am worried about turning out like these guys. been to docs, they say its untreatable.
for any doctors in the house, is this able to be prevented from getting any worse?
below are pics of Markus and Scott at stages where u can clearly see the tendons attaching to the sternum have torn off, leaving a gap down the middle between the left and right pecs (in scotts case). Markus' tearing has started on his right pec, lower sternum area. thanks for any help.
After a abnormally hard chest day I noticed a similar seperation on one of my pecs. The next day my chest was back to normal.
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Wow, poor Markus is finished.
Marcus already retired, M8.
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time to be sittin in the recliner
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i know this has been brought up before, but i'm noticing something like this on my own chest and am worried about turning out like these guys. been to docs, they say its untreatable.
for any doctors in the house, is this able to be prevented from getting any worse?
below are pics of Markus and Scott at stages where u can clearly see the tendons attaching to the sternum have torn off, leaving a gap down the middle between the left and right pecs (in scotts case). Markus' tearing has started on his right pec, lower sternum area. thanks for any help.
fuck same shit happened to me. I was doing dips and my sternum popped. Have not been the same since. It's a noticable tear.
go to a physiotherapist to get treatment. apply heat and stretch out properly on a regular basis.
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fuck same shit happened to me. I was doing dips and my sternum popped. Have not been the same since. It's a noticable tear.
go to a physiotherapist to get treatment. apply heat and stretch out properly on a regular basis.
Is this painful when it first happens... or later?
Is this just cosmetic damage or are you discernibly weaker?
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Is this painful when it first happens... or later?
Is this just cosmetic damage or are you discernibly weaker?
yes to all of it. There has always been pain. My strength has improved, it's taken quite abit of time to regain it. Not sure when I'll be at 100% I am still heating and stretching about 2-3 times a day. It happened about 15 months ago.
I've got one square pec and the other is round. IMO it looks like shit :(
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Have you all not seen Markus Ruhls "Made in Germany"?
His grip placement is beyond wide for incline pressing imo. Maybe it contributed, maybe it didnt. I'm not saying he deserved it. The guy is a loveable freak but watch him press and you cant help but wonder not if but when one the pecs is going to give with arms spread that wide going that heavy.
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Have you all not seen Markus Ruhls "Made in Germany"?
His grip placement is beyond wide for incline pressing imo. Maybe it contributed, maybe it didnt. I'm not saying he deserved it. The guy is a loveable freak but watch him press and you cant help but wonder not if but when one the pecs is going to give with arms spread that wide going that heavy.
exactly what i was gonna mention
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i know this has been brought up before, but i'm noticing something like this on my own chest and am worried about turning out like these guys. been to docs, they say its untreatable.
for any doctors in the house, is this able to be prevented from getting any worse?
below are pics of Markus and Scott at stages where u can clearly see the tendons attaching to the sternum have torn off, leaving a gap down the middle between the left and right pecs (in scotts case). Markus' tearing has started on his right pec, lower sternum area. thanks for any help.
your pecs may not be tearing at all. in scotts and markus' cases i'm sure something popped and they felt a surge of pain. if nothing like that has happened to you no need to worry, it is most likely the way your chest attaches to the sternum. i have a similar issue but have never had an injury to my chest. i have a very wide shoulder girdle and the majority of my pec mass is located to the outer pecs w/ little mass near the sternum creating a gap. when i bench my shoulders are stimulated more than my pecs hence more mass in my shoulders and outer chest. i've been concentrating more on squeezing with the pecs and more flye and cable work as well as using a closer grip on the bench and it seems to be working, try doing the same
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i have no idea but if i had it i would give chest training a rest for atleast 2 months then go back to really light chest training and to see if it got better.
post a before and after pic of your chest if you have by the way.
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:'(
funny how the tat makes it look worst :-\
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Steiner is a nut job in real life. He's been to the pen a couple of times over the years for assaults on people.
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Steiner is a nut job in real life. He's been to the pen a couple of times over the years for assaults on people.
He is very tall and big.
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In Steiner's case, it's not a tear but nerve damage.
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speaking of pec tears
i heard that our good friend layne norton got a pretty bad pec tear recently
he's getting surgery soon
PIP to his bodybuilding career
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speaking of pec tears
i heard that our good friend layne norton got a pretty bad pec tear recently
he's getting surgery soon
PIP to his bodybuilding career
I respect Layne for his passion and academic skills.
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in 2002 and 2003 when steiner was with the WWE his chest was looking horrible then, it has only gotten worse...
if i was you i would give chest a rest for a couple of weeks then alter your hand positioning when training..
try more dumbells and use a V like grip that has helped me a lot build my inner chest without stressing to much or the outer or the shoulders... (i have really bad shoulders so this is the only way i can do it)..
And i wouldn't do any sort of flying movement for a long time that might add unnecessary stress to your sternum
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You can quit going heavy on bench presses. The problem with Steiner is that on a nightly basis he would have to wrestle and stretch and tear his pecs worst. Picking and throwing people day after day will wear on you. Just start taking it a little easier on chest and be careful stretching it too much with flyes and crossovers.
Scott should get pec implants
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Scott should get pec implants
I don't think it would fix his problem; the implant is usually inserted under the pec muscle, from the armpit to the sternum. In his case, his sternum is a landing pad.
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speaking of pec tears
i heard that our good friend layne norton got a pretty bad pec tear recently
he's getting surgery soon
PIP to his bodybuilding career
Yeah it's a worst kind of tears to. Torn in the musclebelly which is what i know impossible to re-attach :-\
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thanks for the replies everyone. dont have pics, but it's the same as what has happened to scott and ruhl. my left pec is almost identical to ruhl's right one. i will definately lay off all chest exercises for a while, as it does get worse with the more training/pressure u apply to the area.
In Steiner's case, it's not a tear but nerve damage.
likely, but the result is the same - tendons tearing off the bone and wasting away. anyone who has this problem will know when cartilage is gone, as u can feel the bone under the skin, where there used to be padding ontop of bone.
yes to all of it. There has always been pain. My strength has improved, it's taken quite abit of time to regain it. Not sure when I'll be at 100% I am still heating and stretching about 2-3 times a day. It happened about 15 months ago.
I've got one square pec and the other is round. IMO it looks like shit :(
has the physiotherapist been able to stop urs getting worse than it was 15 months ago? we're in a similar boat - i also get pain in certain areas of my chest, like a buising sensation when i push on it. seems to be only where the tears have happened, coincidentally.
im going to the doc next week and asking to be referred to a chest specialist (as he suggested). i dont recommend anyone get a chest xray for this, as an xray only looks at the bones. anyway, if i do find a way to stop this getting worse or a way to fix the aesthetical appeal to it, i'll let everyone here know.
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You may have already anwsered this Goneaway, but does/did it hurt? I just rememeber in a interview with Ruhl he said he didn't feel any pain or anything, he just noticed this gap forming over time.
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speaking of pec tears
i heard that our good friend layne norton got a pretty bad pec tear recently
he's getting surgery soon
PIP to his bodybuilding career
layne getting a torn pec is interesting in that the widely held belief has always been that this type of injury normally affects the steroid user due to some imbalance between tendon and muscular strength.
i hope the tear wasn't too bad and that he gets back on top of his field again. he's a very marketable and positive athlete.
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You may have already anwsered this Goneaway, but does/did it hurt? I just rememeber in a interview with Ruhl he said he didn't feel any pain or anything, he just noticed this gap forming over time.
its a burning sensation that comes and goes, but flares up when im doing something using my chest, like writing, typing or working out. it feels like a bruise when i push on certain areas (near the sternum and near the intercostals). burning sensation is associated with nerve damage.
not sure y markus may not have pain/burning, but everyone is different. he may not have overtrained like i may have, but if we both have same condition, it will attack him anyway. markus said theres no cure, but ive been told that nerve damage doesnt always stem from the chest, so u have to look at other areas of the body to see if there are any problems elsewhere. alot of medical practioners dont know this, and never treat the problem in the longterm by attacking the root.
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Shawn Davies had a similar thing where part of his inner chest had to be removed for some reason!!!!!!!
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Wonder what Markus looks like these days...
He probably is clean, meaning only about 500 mg of testo a week... ;D
I met him at a FIBO...really nice guy....crazy ass shoulders he had....
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Well it is too late for you my friend.,...your Olympia and WCW dreams have been smashed.
gtbro1 md
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Looks like it's started on Holyfield too.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/more/02/28/holyfield/p1.evander.holyfield.getty.jpg)
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Looks like it's started on Holyfield too.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/more/02/28/holyfield/p1.evander.holyfield.getty.jpg)
possibly. i cant seem to find any front-on pics of him apart from that one. should have more of an idea of what causes this within the week, after i see the chest specialist. i feel it's definately something that causes the ligaments and tendons attaching to the ribs and sternum to become weak... we'll see
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has the physiotherapist been able to stop urs getting worse than it was 15 months ago? we're in a similar boat - i also get pain in certain areas of my chest, like a buising sensation when i push on it. seems to be only where the tears have happened, coincidentally.
yes I feel better after I see the physiotherapist.
A burning sensation is a good way in putting it. I still get it from time to time. Flared up this past week. I gave it some heat and stretched it out. It feels ok now.
Becareful with it.
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so steroids are the cause of these tears? ???
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so steroids are the cause of these tears? ???
no ,its not, its all because of muscle tech stay away from it,
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so steroids are the cause of these tears? ???
No but their long time use does contribute to it, i did mine years ago, and backed off straight away, Dennis James has a small tear there as well if you see any front on most musculars, the secret is to know its torn, it wont get better but you can make it worse. So back off and really slow your reps down especially on the negative and back off on the weight.
high dosages of Test over long periods of time, calcifies tendons and ligaments making it easy to tear them, infact high dosgae of anything including the therapuetic deca will do it, Stanozyl is the worst. Deca and hgh can assist in re strengthening but only at low dosages like under 4iu daily and below 200mg per week for deca, any higher and you get the same issues as with other anabolics.
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thanks honest.
its not caused directly by steroids, as ive never taken them in my life. yet i probably do overtrain, and have trained in the gym for 2 hours at a time during a certain period, after which i cut it down to 1 hour. how markus ruhl got it, 14 years after he built such a huge chest, i dont know. maybe he changed his routine in last couple of years. for dennis james, it seems he may have had it earlier, but had fatty tissue or some implant put in, and it hasnt gotten any worse since. he looks normal in most relaxed shots.
honest, how did u manage to stop urs from getting any worse? any pics?
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Steiner is a nut job in real life. He's been to the pen a couple of times over the years for assaults on people.
The pen?
County lockup for a few days? Yes. Federal go-away-bye-bye? No.
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you find anything out goneaway? my left pec slightly goes off to the side. i dont know if its been like this forever or ive just noticed it. The symmetry is pretty close, but not exact. Can only tell if i draw a line down my chest to see. Ive never felt any pain or anything to make me think I may have injured my chest.
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Looks like it's started on Holyfield too.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/more/02/28/holyfield/p1.evander.holyfield.getty.jpg)
Wow! Holyfield too?!?!? Is this a relatively new type of injury? Steiner and Rhul are the first guy's I ever noticed it on. Did any big name guys from the 90's 80's or 70's suffer from this? Who?
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i know this has been brought up before, but i'm noticing something like this on my own chest and am worried about turning out like these guys. been to docs, they say its untreatable.
for any doctors in the house, is this able to be prevented from getting any worse?
below are pics of Markus and Scott at stages where u can clearly see the tendons attaching to the sternum have torn off, leaving a gap down the middle between the left and right pecs (in scotts case). Markus' tearing has started on his right pec, lower sternum area. thanks for any help.
Just start wearing knife armour like Steiner!
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you find anything out goneaway? my left pec slightly goes off to the side. i dont know if its been like this forever or ive just noticed it. The symmetry is pretty close, but not exact. Can only tell if i draw a line down my chest to see. Ive never felt any pain or anything to make me think I may have injured my chest.
ive booked an appointment with a sports medicine professional, since there's basically nothing that any of the so-called 'doctors' are noticing. so i'll be seeing them this weekend.
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ive booked an appointment with a sports medicine professional, since there's basically nothing that any of the so-called 'doctors' are noticing. so i'll be seeing them this weekend.
It's amazing how they don't notice anything. Annoying too.
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He is very tall and big.
Since when is 5'11"-6'0" tall? BTW, that IS his REAL height.
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do your pecs look like this guys?
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^ damn that is bad. could he get some kind of surgery done to like actually cut part of the muscle out to make them more symmetrical?
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do your pecs look like this guys?
thats very odd. its almost like he's flexing one side and not the other. but no, mine look more like scott steiner in this pic, where there are gaps where the tendons have come off the bone, and the muscle has rolled back into itself.
it's pretty clear on steiner's left pec in the middle pic. simple compare it to his 'normal' chest.
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thats very odd. its almost like he's flexing one side and not the other. but no, mine look more like scott steiner in this pic, where there are gaps where the tendons have come off the bone, and the muscle has rolled back into itself.
it's pretty clear on steiner's left pec in the middle pic. simple compare it to his 'normal' chest.
Notice how his hands/fingers are getting bigger and bigger. :-\
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Notice how his hands/fingers are getting bigger and bigger. :-\
the last shot of him is clearly larger than the other two, and in the first pic u can only see his thumb, so not a good comparison.
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Notice how his hands/fingers are getting bigger and bigger. :-\
How about the fact his forearms are shaped like a log with no taper
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How about the fact his forearms are shaped like a log with no taper
Easily some of the worst forearms I've ever seen.
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How about the fact his forearms are shaped like a log with no taper
Is that noteworthy? Why ? I was drawing attention to the effects of GH when I mentioned his hands growing.
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his hands don't look bigger
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ouch
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Anyone found out what it was? Just noticed the gap betwen my pecs got much bigger suddenly, and it looks like shit... No pain/bruising though.
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I think in Steiner's case the emergency surgery he had was the main culprit. Otherwise I would guess it is the muscles retreating from their attachments over time, same thing that happens to triceps of older lifters..
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Anyone found out what it was? Just noticed the gap betwen my pecs got much bigger suddenly, and it looks like shit... No pain/bruising though.
Steiners? He had surgery.
They finally found that I did have a torn trachea. The bad part about it was that it was torn in my chest.
They told me I had five hours to live. The air that was supposed to be going into my lungs was now going into my skin. That turns poisonous and then you die. I still didn’t really want to believe them. My buddy owns a private jet, and he was going to fly it down. They kind of sensed that I wanted to get out of there.
Thank God that didn’t happen, because my lung would have collapsed and they couldn’t have saved me because the trachea was torn. They put me on some sedatives and kind of calmed me down. I was still fighting it and trying to get out of there, because I didn’t want to have surgery in Puerto Rico.
Finally, a Puerto Rican doctor came in and calmed me a little bit, but he still sensed that I wanted to leave so he put me under.
The next time I woke up – I had been in an induced coma for two days because the pain would have been so bad – I felt like I was choking. It felt like I was going to drown because I couldn’t get any air. They pulled the ventilator out of my throat and I woke up. They told me they cut through my lat, basically split my ribs in half, and then cut through my lung, sewed my trachea up. Then they put a tube in my lung to drain for two weeks. I just swelled up.
I looked brutal, like a 300-pound fat guy. It was the most swelling I ever experienced. I still couldn’t fly, so I had to take a cruise ship home. I went to get on the cruise ship – and no cruise ship. A guy jumped off and committed suicide, so the FBI boarded the ship and had to circle for like 17 hours. So I had to wait an extra day in Puerto Rico, got on a cruise ship, and it took me another week to get home. I took my tour bus back up to where I live, and I tried to recover. I still kind of worried, so I went to a doctor to see if they did everything right, and the doctor shook my hand and said, “You’re lucky to be here.
Those doctors saved your life.” That will mess with your mind. I was kind of messed up for three or four months, knowing that I could have been dead.
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What about Markus'? Is it a pec tear from the sternum (is that even possible)? Or maybe nerve damage?
Is it even repairable? Weird how so little information exists on this issue.
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this is what scott looks like now, man he has really regressed big time, he used to be a beast
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this is what scott looks like now, man he has really regressed big time, he used to be a beast
I can't believe that Roddy Piper was born only six days before Michael Moore yet Roddy Piper has passed away and Michael Moore is still with us. It makes me wonder what these wrestlers go through to die so young.
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this is what scott looks like now, man he has really regressed big time, he used to be a beast
can't be 25-35 forever :-\
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Bullshit. My boy Groink seems to be pulling it off quite well....any more excuses?
So you're saying there isn't enough cum in his diet? ???
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I'm saying I lost a wristwatch in your mother's pussay.
If I find it I will let you know, let me know if you find my watch I lost in your gapping asshole.
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this is what scott looks like now, man he has really regressed big time, he used to be a beast
Getting old sucks.
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If I find it I will let you know, let me know if you find my watch I lost in your gapping asshole.
Lmao
;D
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Steiners? He had surgery.
They finally found that I did have a torn trachea. The bad part about it was that it was torn in my chest.
They told me I had five hours to live. The air that was supposed to be going into my lungs was now going into my skin. That turns poisonous and then you die. I still didn’t really want to believe them. My buddy owns a private jet, and he was going to fly it down. They kind of sensed that I wanted to get out of there.
Thank God that didn’t happen, because my lung would have collapsed and they couldn’t have saved me because the trachea was torn. They put me on some sedatives and kind of calmed me down. I was still fighting it and trying to get out of there, because I didn’t want to have surgery in Puerto Rico.
Finally, a Puerto Rican doctor came in and calmed me a little bit, but he still sensed that I wanted to leave so he put me under.
The next time I woke up – I had been in an induced coma for two days because the pain would have been so bad – I felt like I was choking. It felt like I was going to drown because I couldn’t get any air. They pulled the ventilator out of my throat and I woke up. They told me they cut through my lat, basically split my ribs in half, and then cut through my lung, sewed my trachea up. Then they put a tube in my lung to drain for two weeks. I just swelled up.
I looked brutal, like a 300-pound fat guy. It was the most swelling I ever experienced. I still couldn’t fly, so I had to take a cruise ship home. I went to get on the cruise ship – and no cruise ship. A guy jumped off and committed suicide, so the FBI boarded the ship and had to circle for like 17 hours. So I had to wait an extra day in Puerto Rico, got on a cruise ship, and it took me another week to get home. I took my tour bus back up to where I live, and I tried to recover. I still kind of worried, so I went to a doctor to see if they did everything right, and the doctor shook my hand and said, “You’re lucky to be here.
Those doctors saved your life.” That will mess with your mind. I was kind of messed up for three or four months, knowing that I could have been dead.
Steiner's chest was headed South long before the injury he sustained in Puerto Rico. They're not related.
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Won't recover