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Title: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Dos Equis on March 18, 2008, 11:47:33 AM
Listened to most of it.  He did a good job.  Said some good things.  Didn't really change my view of his judgment in all of this. 

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?031808/031808_am_barack1&Americas_Newsroom&Obama%20Speaks&acc&US&-1&News&941&&&new

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Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: The Coach on March 18, 2008, 03:46:36 PM
Speaking on his "white" grandmother....


OBAMA:  A woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world but a woman who once confessed her view of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.  These people are part of me --

Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 18, 2008, 04:12:26 PM
Speaking on his "white" grandmother....


OBAMA:  A woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world but a woman who once confessed her view of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.  These people are part of me --


Why did you highlight this?  What's your opinion?
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: 240 is Back on March 18, 2008, 04:18:13 PM
Why did you highlight this?  What's your opinion?

His opinion is that you're a lib who is going to hell, and [insert rush transcript here]
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 18, 2008, 04:20:07 PM
His opinion is that you're a lib who is going to hell, and [insert rush transcript here]
LOL, but I don't think Joe's opinion of me is that cruel...
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: 240 is Back on March 18, 2008, 04:22:07 PM
LOL, but I don't think Joe's opinion of me is that cruel...

he has said that libs don't go to heaven...
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 18, 2008, 04:35:12 PM
he has said that libs don't go to heaven...
rhetoric on the board.  I don't believe Joe is that sinister at heart.  He's got a good side and this comes from a hardcore lib ;D
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: 240 is Back on March 18, 2008, 04:37:45 PM
rhetoric on the board.  I don't believe Joe is that sinister at heart.  He's got a good side and this comes from a hardcore lib ;D

I agree completely.   however, as a born again christian, sometimes I think he feels obligated to parrot everything repub party says and does.  Like, he believes that he's sinning if he takes any dem positions.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 18, 2008, 04:40:39 PM
I agree completely.   however, as a born again christian, sometimes I think he feels obligated to parrot everything repub party says and does.  Like, he believes that he's sinning if he takes any dem positions.

That's probably true.  I just know Joe has a good side most don't get to see on the board...
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: 24KT on March 18, 2008, 05:43:38 PM


Absolutely Brilliant!!!!
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on March 18, 2008, 05:58:45 PM
Speaking on his "white" grandmother....


OBAMA:  A woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world but a woman who once confessed her view of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.  These people are part of me --



That was a good way of saying he has a balance of "racists" he has been close to in his life, so don't take the words of my preacher too seriously, the views of my grandmother cancels it out.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: youandme on March 18, 2008, 07:45:11 PM
Someone throw up a race card, cause that was lame. He should have came out with it and admitted he holds the same opinions as his preacher.

Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 18, 2008, 07:49:37 PM
Someone throw up a race card, cause that was lame. He should have came out with it and admitted he holds the same opinions as his preacher.


holy crap... I didn't know going to church held a prerequisite of faithfully adopting all political beliefs brought up by the preacher/pastor.  ::)  Sounds fucking retarded but I'll take your word for it I guess ::)
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 04:27:18 AM
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Benny B on March 19, 2008, 04:51:05 AM
Speaking on his "white" grandmother....


OBAMA:  A woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world but a woman who once confessed her view of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.  These people are part of me --



Why do you highlight this section of his speech and put quotation marks around "white"? 
 ???

The speech itself was fantastic. The best speech on the issue of race since the "I Have A Dream" speech of '63. It won't draw any bigots to his side, but Obama's not going to get that vote anyway. I wish these television commentators would stop asking if he can get the white working class vote. Those votes will go to Clinton and then McCain. Obama appeals to intelligent white people with some education.   :D
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 04:56:36 AM
Obama's Speech
By Thomas Sowell
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
townhall.com (http://townhall.com)


Did Senator Barack Obama's speech in Philadelphia convince people that he is still a viable candidate to be President of the United States, despite the adverse reactions to statements by his pastor, Jeremiah Wright?

The polls and the primaries will answer that question.

The great unasked question for Senator Obama is the question that was asked about President Nixon during the Watergate scandal; What did he know and when did he know it?

Although Senator Obama would now have us believe that he is shocked, shocked, at what Jeremiah Wright said, that he was not in the church when pastor Wright said those things from the pulpit, this still leaves the question of why he disinvited Wright from the event at which he announced his candidacy for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination a year ago.

Either Barack Obama or his staff must have known then that Jeremiah Wright was not someone whom they wanted to expose to the media and to the media scrutiny to which that could lead.

Why not, if it is only now that Senator Obama is learning for the first time, to his surprise, what kinds of things Jeremiah Wright has been saying and doing?

No one had to be in church the day Wright made his inflammatory and obscene remarks to know about them.

The cable news journalists who are playing the tapes of those sermons were not there. The tapes were on sale in the church itself. Obama knew that because he had bought one or more of those tapes.

But even if there were no tapes, and even if Obama never heard from other members of the church what their pastor was saying, he spent 20 years in that church, not just as an ordinary member but also as someone who once donated $20,000 to the church.

There was no way that he didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's anti-American and racist diatribes from the pulpit.

Someone once said that a con man's job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe.

Accordingly, Obama's Philadelphia speech -- a theatrical masterpiece -- will probably reassure most Democrats and some other Obama supporters. They will undoubtedly say that we should now "move on," even though many Democrats have still not yet moved on from George W. Bush's 2000 election victory.

Like the Soviet show trials during their 1930s purges, Obama's speech was not supposed to convince critics but to reassure supporters and fellow-travelers, in order to keep the "useful idiots" useful.

Best-selling author Shelby Steele's recent book on Barack Obama ("A Bound Man") has valuable insights into both the man and the circumstances facing many other blacks -- especially those who were never part of the black ghetto culture but who feel a need to identify with it for either personal, political or financial reasons.

Like religious converts who become more Catholic than the Pope, such people often become blacker-than-thou. For whatever reason, Barack Obama chose a black extremist church decades ago -- even though there was no shortage of very different churches, both black and white -- in Chicago.

Some say that he was trying to earn credibility on the ghetto streets, to facilitate his work as a community activist or for his political career. We may never know why.

But now that Barack Obama is running for a presidential nomination, he is doing so on a radically different basis, as a post-racial candidate uniquely prepared to bring us all together.

Yet the past continues to follow him, despite his attempts to bury it and the mainstream media's attempts to ignore it or apologize for it.

Shelby Steele depicts Barack Obama as a man without real convictions, "an iconic figure who neglected to become himself."

Senator Obama has been at his best as an icon, able with his command of words to meet other people's psychic needs, including a need to dispel white guilt by supporting his candidacy.

But President of the United States, in a time of national danger, under a looming threat of nuclear terrorism? No.


Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 05:14:49 AM
She hits the nail right on the head with this article...

Guilting America to the White House
By Kathleen Parker
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
townhall.com (http://townhall.com)

Barack Obama is a magician.

He could tell me it's raining on a sunny day, and I'd grab an umbrella. He could tell me the moon is the sun, and I'd reach for my shades.

He could even tell me that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's rants god-damning America and blaming AIDS on a white-man conspiracy were wrong but essentially justified by a racist past ... and I'd have to slap myself before I saddled up a polka-dotted horse and galloped down the Yellow Brick Road.

Obama's speech Tuesday from Philadelphia -- the city of brotherly love -- was eloquent, inspiring and will be read in schools for generations. But between the lines of change and reconciliation were a discomfiting hint of buried fury, a sense of racial righteousness and a tacit approval attached to his expressed disapproval of Wright's now-famous raves that will leave many Americans wondering: Is he with us? Or is he against us?

In a flourish of brilliance, Obama framed his Rev. Wright problem in the context of America's unfinished work toward "a more perfect union," as envisioned by the nation's forefathers. It isn't that Wright is off-the-wall, we were to infer. It is that our country is falling short of its promise.

Which isn't completely false, of course, but not completely true, either. America isn't finished with its business of equality -- and race does still bedevil us -- but our progress since the twin blights of slavery and Jim Crow isn't insignificant.

Ever conscious of his pledge to unity, Obama acknowledged as much, saying that Wright wasn't wrong to talk about racism -- even if it was one-sided. He was wrong to speak "as if our society was static: as if no progress has been made."

But what he didn't acknowledge is that Wright is completely off-the-wall, even if the snippets we've seen are only a fraction of his life's work. Give Wright credit for helping the unfortunate and for leading Obama to his faith. But those accomplishments don't quite neutralize the anti-white message of the man Obama selected as his spiritual mentor.

Like the best politicians, Obama senses our restlessness. One of his many gifts is his ability to lull people with flawless logic and uplifting rhetoric.

Of course he disagrees with some of Wright's controversial statements -- just as most people disagree with some of what their pastors and rabbis say. We're yum-yumming that idea, thinking "Yeah, that's right," when our inner reality-checker kicks in and kills the buzz.

Then we remember that advancing lies and conspiracy theories that pit black against white is not, in fact, defensible. And that what many find offensive in Wright's statements is not comparable to the minor differences they likely have with their own pastors and rabbis.

The question still remains: Why did Obama, future author of racial harmony, stay with a preacher whose black nationalist leanings were no secret?

Obama said he could no more denounce Wright, who is "like family," than he could denounce the black community -- or his white grandmother. Instead, he praised Wright's larger presence and purpose in the black community as outweighing the YouTube replays of a profane man on the verge of paranoiac hysteria.

Moreover, the minister whom Obama first got to know 20 years ago spoke of "our obligations to love one another." But given Wright's racist eruptions, white Americans are justified in wondering whether those charitable thoughts also apply to them.

Finally, Obama suggested that if Wright is occasionally angry, he has a right to be, as does the community he serves. And if white Americans are startled to witness that anger, they haven't been paying attention.

That was a risky message, but one that counted on a reliable well of white guilt. Then Obama took another pre-emptive gamble and implored Americans to look at Wright's anger, rather than avert their gaze, and to embrace that anger as a prompt to change.

In other words, he artfully shifted focus from his still-perplexing relationship with Wright to our own dark hearts. The choice is ours, he said:

We can focus on one ol' crazy uncle who sometimes gets a little carried away -- and in so doing, destroy the audacity of hope. Or, we can keep our nation's date with destiny, fulfill the dream imagined 221 years ago to form a more perfect union.

And elect Barack Obama.

Anyone who fails to embrace the only appealing option -- eschewing cheap spectacle for a dance with destiny to the tune of hope -- begins to feel a little woozy and, oddly, un-American.

Abracadabra.

Kathleen Parker is a syndicated columnist with the Washington Post Writers Group.
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Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Benny B on March 19, 2008, 05:34:21 AM
She hits the nail right on the head with this article...

Guilting America to the White House
By Kathleen Parker
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
townhall.com (http://townhall.com)

Barack Obama is a magician.

He could tell me it's raining on a sunny day, and I'd grab an umbrella. He could tell me the moon is the sun, and I'd reach for my shades.

He could even tell me that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's rants god-damning America and blaming AIDS on a white-man conspiracy were wrong but essentially justified by a racist past ... and I'd have to slap myself before I saddled up a polka-dotted horse and galloped down the Yellow Brick Road.

Obama's speech Tuesday from Philadelphia -- the city of brotherly love -- was eloquent, inspiring and will be read in schools for generations. But between the lines of change and reconciliation were a discomfiting hint of buried fury, a sense of racial righteousness and a tacit approval attached to his expressed disapproval of Wright's now-famous raves that will leave many Americans wondering: Is he with us? Or is he against us?

In a flourish of brilliance, Obama framed his Rev. Wright problem in the context of America's unfinished work toward "a more perfect union," as envisioned by the nation's forefathers. It isn't that Wright is off-the-wall, we were to infer. It is that our country is falling short of its promise.

Which isn't completely false, of course, but not completely true, either. America isn't finished with its business of equality -- and race does still bedevil us -- but our progress since the twin blights of slavery and Jim Crow isn't insignificant.

Ever conscious of his pledge to unity, Obama acknowledged as much, saying that Wright wasn't wrong to talk about racism -- even if it was one-sided. He was wrong to speak "as if our society was static: as if no progress has been made."

But what he didn't acknowledge is that Wright is completely off-the-wall, even if the snippets we've seen are only a fraction of his life's work. Give Wright credit for helping the unfortunate and for leading Obama to his faith. But those accomplishments don't quite neutralize the anti-white message of the man Obama selected as his spiritual mentor.

Like the best politicians, Obama senses our restlessness. One of his many gifts is his ability to lull people with flawless logic and uplifting rhetoric.

Of course he disagrees with some of Wright's controversial statements -- just as most people disagree with some of what their pastors and rabbis say. We're yum-yumming that idea, thinking "Yeah, that's right," when our inner reality-checker kicks in and kills the buzz.

Then we remember that advancing lies and conspiracy theories that pit black against white is not, in fact, defensible. And that what many find offensive in Wright's statements is not comparable to the minor differences they likely have with their own pastors and rabbis.

The question still remains: Why did Obama, future author of racial harmony, stay with a preacher whose black nationalist leanings were no secret?

Obama said he could no more denounce Wright, who is "like family," than he could denounce the black community -- or his white grandmother. Instead, he praised Wright's larger presence and purpose in the black community as outweighing the YouTube replays of a profane man on the verge of paranoiac hysteria.

Moreover, the minister whom Obama first got to know 20 years ago spoke of "our obligations to love one another." But given Wright's racist eruptions, white Americans are justified in wondering whether those charitable thoughts also apply to them.

Finally, Obama suggested that if Wright is occasionally angry, he has a right to be, as does the community he serves. And if white Americans are startled to witness that anger, they haven't been paying attention.

That was a risky message, but one that counted on a reliable well of white guilt. Then Obama took another pre-emptive gamble and implored Americans to look at Wright's anger, rather than avert their gaze, and to embrace that anger as a prompt to change.

In other words, he artfully shifted focus from his still-perplexing relationship with Wright to our own dark hearts. The choice is ours, he said:

We can focus on one ol' crazy uncle who sometimes gets a little carried away -- and in so doing, destroy the audacity of hope. Or, we can keep our nation's date with destiny, fulfill the dream imagined 221 years ago to form a more perfect union.

And elect Barack Obama.

Anyone who fails to embrace the only appealing option -- eschewing cheap spectacle for a dance with destiny to the tune of hope -- begins to feel a little woozy and, oddly, un-American.

Abracadabra.

Kathleen Parker is a syndicated columnist with the Washington Post Writers Group.
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*yawn*
I'm not reading that bullshit. In America people are free to vote for who they want...
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 06:37:32 AM
*yawn*
I'm not reading that bullshit. In America people are free to vote for who they want...
lol, that's the whole point of me posting the articles...provide different viewpoints.  i think that's the whole point of this board...different perspectives on what we see in politics.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: headhuntersix on March 19, 2008, 06:54:26 AM
NO way...only one view point is allowed...if u disagree ur a fascist Repub/neocon/Rush/Bushbot.  His speech was ok, what could he say....he wasn't going to defend the guy. I don't think he distanced himself enough but I'm sure his supporters are happy enough. Mccain is pulling ahead because of all this crap.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Straw Man on March 19, 2008, 08:13:35 AM
His opinion is that you're a lib who is going to hell, and [insert rush transcript here]

perfect
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 08:36:08 AM
NO way...only one view point is allowed...if u disagree ur a fascist Repub/neocon/Rush/Bushbot.  His speech was ok, what could he say....he wasn't going to defend the guy. I don't think he distanced himself enough but I'm sure his supporters are happy enough. Mccain is pulling ahead because of all this crap.
I wonder how this is impacting Hillary Clinton's poll numbers?  Is she gaining from it? 
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: headhuntersix on March 19, 2008, 08:42:14 AM
Mccain is ahead slightly overall...from some of the numbers I saw this morning. Also undecides seem to be favoring either Hil or Mccain...we'll see next week where this is headed.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: War-Horse on March 19, 2008, 08:54:45 AM
Mccain is ahead slightly overall...from some of the numbers I saw this morning. Also undecides seem to be favoring either Hil or Mccain...we'll see next week where this is headed.


If mccain wins (Corruption) then please remember that your undieing support for him put you into the govt bread line.  Oh wait your a govt worker.    Please remember that as you line up your relatives in the bread line.   At least do that for them, if your going to put them there........ :-[

P.S.  Brush up on the chinese language.  This is for job security.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: headhuntersix on March 19, 2008, 09:04:51 AM
I don't like Mccain all that much....but Hil or Obama...yeah right. I can say "fuck ur mother" in Chinese. Just make sure ur papers are in order when the crackdown comes ;)
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 09:07:21 AM
I don't like Mccain all that much....but Hil or Obama...yeah right. I can say "fuck ur mother" in Chinese. Just make sure ur papers are in order when the crackdown comes ;)
LOL!!!!

I'm not too high on him either....

Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: headhuntersix on March 19, 2008, 09:09:41 AM
I think I'll adopt a fake German accent as well. "Ver are ur papers Vorhorse, oh u don't not have zhem, get on zer truck".
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: War-Horse on March 19, 2008, 09:13:14 AM
I think I'll adopt a fake German accent as well. "Ver are ur papers Vorhorse, oh u don't not have zhem, get on zer truck".



LOL.   Ill say "Congratulations you get to eat my 12 guage shell......Open wide"   Boom, heads roll... ;D
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: headhuntersix on March 19, 2008, 09:15:26 AM
Depends on the timing...is this before or after the dems try and take ur guns away. If ur armed i won't even bother, we'll just call in an airstrike.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: War-Horse on March 19, 2008, 09:18:16 AM
Depends on the timing...is this before or after the dems try and take ur guns away. If ur armed i won't even bother, we'll just call in an airstrike.



They better not try to take arms.  (I know thats a current issue)  Its a little to early in the brainwashing process.

P.S.   Im calling bush to order a rocket launcher.....time to step it up. 8)
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: headhuntersix on March 19, 2008, 09:23:36 AM
If the current ruling comes down in favor of the 2nd Amendment as a personel right to arms...we should all be fine.

U should be able to get an RPG 7 no problem. Not sure what u need it for, but their plentiful.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 09:52:02 AM
If the current ruling comes down in favor of the 2nd Amendment as a personel right to arms...we should all be fine.

all is well, HH6 & War Horse...justices handed down the right decision:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans have a right to own guns, Supreme Court justices declared Tuesday in a historic and lively debate that could lead to the most significant interpretation of the Second Amendment since its ratification two centuries ago.

Governments have a right to regulate those firearms, a majority of justices seemed to agree. But there was less apparent agreement on the case they were arguing: whether Washington's ban on handguns goes too far.

The justices dug deeply into arguments on one of the Constitution's most hotly debated provisions as demonstrators shouted slogans outside. Guns are an American right, argued one side. "Guns kill," responded the other.

Inside the court, at the end of a session extended long past the normal one hour, a majority of justices appeared ready to say that Americans have a "right to keep and bear arms" that goes beyond the amendment's reference to service in a militia.

Several justices were openly skeptical that the District of Columbia's 32-year-old handgun ban, perhaps the strictest in the nation, could survive under that reading of the Constitution.

"What is reasonable about a total ban on possession?" Chief Justice John Roberts asked.

Walter Dellinger, representing the district, replied that Washington residents could own rifles and shotguns and could use them for protection at home.

"What is reasonable about a total ban on possession is that it's a ban only on the possession of one kind of weapon, of handguns, that's considered especially dangerous," Dellinger said.

Justice Stephen Breyer appeared reluctant to second-guess local officials.

Is it "unreasonable for a city with a very high crime rate ... to say no handguns here?" Breyer asked.

Alan Gura, representing a Washington resident who challenged ban, said, "It's unreasonable and it fails any standard of review."

The court has not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The basic issue for the justices is whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia.

A key justice, Anthony Kennedy, seemed to settle that question early on when he said the Second Amendment gives "a general right to bear arms." He is likely to be joined by Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas—a majority of the nine-member court.

Gun rights proponents were encouraged.

"What I heard from the court was the view that the D.C. law, which prohibits good people from having a firearm ... to defend themselves against bad people is not reasonable and unconstitutional," National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said after leaving the court.

Washington Mayor Adrian Fenty said he hoped the court would leave the ban in place and not vote for a compromise that would, for example, allow handguns in homes but not in public places. "More guns anywhere in the District of Columbia is going to lead to more crime. And that is why we stand so steadfastly against any repeal of our handgun ban," the mayor said after attending the arguments.

A decision that defines the amendment's meaning would be significant by itself. But the court also has to decide whether Washington's ban can stand and how to evaluate other gun control laws.

The justices have many options, including upholding a federal appeals court ruling that struck down the ban.

Solicitor General Paul Clement, the Bush administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, supported the individual right but urged the justices not to decide the other question. Instead, Clement said the court should say that governments may impose reasonable restrictions, including federal laws that ban certain types of weapons.

Clement wants the justices to order the appeals court to re-evaluate the Washington law. He did not take a position on it.

This issue has caused division within the administration, with Vice President Dick Cheney taking a harder line than the official position at the court.

In addition to the handgun ban, Washington also has a trigger lock requirement for other guns that raised some concerns Tuesday.

"When you hear somebody crawling in your bedroom window, you can run to your gun, unlock it, load it and then fire?" Justice Antonin Scalia said.

Roberts, who has two young children, suggested at one point that trigger locks might be reasonable.

"There is always a risk that the children will get up and grab the firearm and use it for some purpose other than what the Second Amendment was designed to protect," he said.

On the other hand, he, too, wondered about the practical effect of removing a lock in an emergency. "So then you turn on the lamp, you pick up your reading glasses," Roberts said to laughter.

Dellinger said he opened the lock in three seconds, although he conceded that was in daylight.

While the arguments raged inside, dozens of protesters mingled with tourists and waved signs saying "Ban the Washington elitists, not our guns" or "The NRA helps criminals and terrorists buy guns."

Members of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence chanted "guns kill" as followers of the Second Amendment Sisters and Maryland Shall Issue.Org shouted "more guns, less crime."

The City Council that adopted the ban said it was justified because "handguns have no legitimate use in the purely urban environment of the District of Columbia."

Dick Anthony Heller, 65, an armed security guard, sued the district after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his home for protection in the same Capitol Hill neighborhood as the court.

The last Supreme Court ruling on the topic came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. Constitutional scholars disagree over what that case means but agree it did not squarely answer the question of individual versus collective rights.

Roberts said at his confirmation hearing that the correct reading of the Second Amendment was "still very much an open issue."


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Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: War-Horse on March 19, 2008, 10:33:41 AM
The day we lose our guns is the day fascism is complete.  Fascism has been started under the guise of the "Patriot act" and the dems may finish the job soon.

Unlike some here, Im man enuff to admit a partys mistakes and not show blind loyalty.  Im sure the dems will wrap this law up for a police state soon.



Beachbum, If mccain gets in and wrecks the country...will you admit your vote was wrong???


NOTE:  The above is not a question of "would you vote dem"?   Try hard, I know you can do it.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2008, 10:36:15 AM


Good commentary.  Juan Williams is on the money.  This does speak to Obama's character and judgment, things that supposedly form the foundation of his campaign.  He chose to associate with this man for 20 years, despite knowing the man's extreme views.  He knew what the man had said when he announced his candidacy, which explains why he couldn't have the man by his side.  
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
The day we lose our guns is the day fascism is complete.  Fascism has has been started under the guise of the "Patriot act" and the dems may finish the job soon.

Unlike some here, Im man enuff to admit a partys mistakes and not show blind loyalty.  Im sure the dems will wrap this law up for a police state soon.



Beachbum, If mccain gets in and wrecks the country...will you admit your vote was wrong???


NOTE:  The above is not a question of "would you vote dem"?   Try hard, I know you can do it.

lol.  You mean is my answer different from less than 24 hours ago when you asked me this same question? 
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 10:41:08 AM
Good commentary.  Juan Williams is on the money.  This does speak to Obama's character and judgment, things that supposedly form the foundation of his campaign.  He chose to associate with this man for 20 years, despite knowing the man's extreme views.  He knew what the man had said when he announced his candidacy, which explains why he couldn't have the man by his side. 
Exactly, Beach.  Exactly. 
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: War-Horse on March 19, 2008, 10:47:12 AM
lol.  You mean is my answer different from less than 24 hours ago when you asked me this same question? 



You said you would not regret voting quackie-social.    Thats not an answer to man up and say you were wrong........r u okay???
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2008, 10:53:15 AM


You said you would not regret voting quackie-social.    Thats not an answer to man up and say you were wrong........r u okay???

I don't usually do this, but since you appear to have a bad short-term memory, here you go:

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author=Beach Bum link=topic=205619.msg2846673#msg2846673 date=1205871071]
Actually, you asked me to admit that I was "wrong" after posting poll numbers. 

In any event, I don't need to admit that not supporting a quasi-socialist is wrong, because I'll never support a quasi-socialist agenda.  If things get "worse," it won't be because we didn't allow the federal government to take even more control over our lives and spend even more of our hard earned money.   

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author=Beach Bum link=topic=205619.msg2846714#msg2846714 date=1205873638]
Puh-leaze.  McCain isn't Bush.  Some people don't even think he's a conservative, so saying he's "more of the same" is factually inaccurate.  We don't know exactly what McCain will do as president.  Besides, the Congress and the states have more to do with the economy and the lives of everyday citizens than the president. 

And I'll repeat that I will not admit I was "wrong" for not supporting a quasi-socialist.  If you want to vote for a quasi-socialist, be my guest.   

Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: War-Horse on March 19, 2008, 11:18:31 AM
So whats your answer?
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2008, 11:20:22 AM
lol. . . .  :)  I give up. 
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 11:21:32 AM
lol. . . .  :)  I give up. 
good grief.  lol
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: War-Horse on March 19, 2008, 11:22:41 AM
lol. . . .  :)  I give up. 



If mcain fvcks up the country, would you admit you were wrong in your vote?   Very simple, no spin please.
Title: Re: Obama's Race Speech
Post by: Dos Equis on March 19, 2008, 11:35:21 AM
good grief.  lol

 :)