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Obama's Speech—A Brief for Whitey
By Patrick J. Buchanan
How would he pull it off? I wondered.
How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?
How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about "the U.S. of K.K.K. America," and howled, "God damn America!"
My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.
Yes, Barack agreed, Wright's statements were "controversial," and "divisive," and "racially charged," reflecting a "distorted view of America."
But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.
Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.
The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination—and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past—are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ." [Full text]
And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?
The "white community" must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with "ladders of opportunity" that were "unavailable" to Barack's and the Rev. Wright's generations.
What is wrong with Barack's prognosis and Barack's cure?
Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "everybody but the rioters themselves."
Was "white racism" really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said—that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks—with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas—to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new "ladders of opportunity" for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids.
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
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"Crazy John" has to be smiling right about now... THIS is the issue that can hurt Obama the most, and Hillary is doing all the dirty work. :D
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"Crazy John" has to be smiling right about now... THIS is the issue that can hurt Obama the most, and Hillary is doing all the dirty work. :D
Agreed. This whole church thing really fucked obama, and rightfully so.
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I enjoyed that article.
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Does anyone really believe that this will weigh very heavily into voters decision making in 7 1/2 months?
By then, the economy will be in the shitter, McCain will have made 30 or 40 public gaffes, and a tarnished Obama will look like JFK next to McCain in the debates with the hot lights on them.
The good news is that any of the top 3 will do a good job as president. It's just which flavor you prefer at this point.
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Does anyone really believe that this will weigh very heavily into voters decision making in 7 1/2 months?
Yes, as long the Republicans and Hilary keep painting Barack as having militant black leanings, it will give even the most bleeding heart white voter pause when it comes to voting for him.
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Does anyone really believe that this will weigh very heavily into voters decision making in 7 1/2 months?
By then, the economy will be in the shitter, McCain will have made 30 or 40 public gaffes, and a tarnished Obama will look like JFK next to McCain in the debates with the hot lights on them.
The good news is that any of the top 3 will do a good job as president. It's just which flavor you prefer at this point.
you are pro-gun pro-second amendment are you not 240? think about that one.
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Does anyone really believe that this will weigh very heavily into voters decision making in 7 1/2 months?
By then, the economy will be in the shitter, McCain will have made 30 or 40 public gaffes, and a tarnished Obama will look like JFK next to McCain in the debates with the hot lights on them.
The good news is that any of the top 3 will do a good job as president. It's just which flavor you prefer at this point.
you are pro-gun pro-second amendment are you not 240? think about that one.
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you stupid mother fuckers are going to destroy america's last chance at becoming the great nation it ONCE WAS.
at the moment we are one of the most pathetic, stupid, lazy, fat, ignorant countries in the world.
lets elect someone who can help turn the tide a little bit... NOT more of the same (aka clinton and mccain)
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you stupid mother fuckers are going to destroy america's last chance at becoming the great nation it ONCE WAS.
at the moment we are one of the most pathetic, stupid, lazy, fat, ignorant countries in the world.
lets elect someone who can help turn the tide a little bit... NOT more of the same (aka clinton and mccain)
How exactly are we going to become a "great nation" with higher taxes, higher government spending, more entitlements, and Jesse Jackson et. al. setting up shop in the west wing? ::)
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How exactly are we going to become a "great nation" with higher taxes, higher government spending, more entitlements, and Jesse Jackson et. al. setting up shop in the west wing? ::)
higher taxes on who? and as a result of what?
more government spending on the whole, or in certain programs? certainly less government spending on unnecessary wars and no-bid contracts and pork barrell spending.
more entitlements? says who? who supports that? are you considering national healthcare an entitlement? do you consider the fire deparment and police department and usps entitlement programs?
and jesse jackson? you have got to be joking. that doesnt even deserve a response.
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WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT THAT WAS BRIEF???
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obama will never win, firstly he's appealing to black/muslim/mexican america for most of his votes, and he will get them - but this will alienate him to even the most liberal of white voters - and lets be honest no wonder. He's sat listening to the last black panther's rants about the white devil every sunday for 20 years. while his words rang so true they became friends.
unfortunately for him half of them are too lazy to vote.
hillary and mccain are appealing to white middle class/upper class voters, who will go to the poles.
get used to it people.
also why arn't you all for ron paul? he seems to be the only honest politician left in america, he knows how to fix the economy, he knows iraq is wrong, and wants the constitution's powers returned to what it was, not the abomination it is now.
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just nuke the ghettos of America, problem solved :-\
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Obama's kneeling at the temple of the angry black man will surely lose him the general election, if not the nomination.
Obama appealed to many white voters precisely because he seemed to epitomize the 'nice' 'gentle' 'white' black guy: The guy in the honors classes who didn't play sports and never talked about racism.
Had he come across as who he really is, he never would have gotten this far. Now the cat is out of the bag and we see he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
America doesn't want an angry black man in the oval office sipping Cristal with Farrakhan and Sharpton.
That's the gospel.
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you are pro-gun pro-second amendment are you not 240? think about that one.
Obama would lose in 2012 if he even sniffed at anti-gun legislation while in office.
Dems are scared to even touch the issue.
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America doesn't want an angry black man in the oval office sipping Cristal with Farrakhan and Sharpton.
I don't buy it. He's first generation American on his black father's side. He was raised by his white mother. He grew up in Hawaii. 'Angry black man' just doesn't seem to fit.
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you stupid mother fuckers are going to destroy america's last chance at becoming the great nation it ONCE WAS.
at the moment we are one of the most pathetic, stupid, lazy, fat, ignorant countries in the world.
lets elect someone who can help turn the tide a little bit... NOT more of the same (aka clinton and mccain)
I lived in 3 "other" nations and I will tell you the rest of the world doesn't compare to the U.S. Even with all her faults this is the greatest place to live and will continue to be.....remember dispite all the hype, a president has only 33% of the power in the federal gov.
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This black chicks really hot.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/08_selita-ebanks_08.jpg)
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/08_selita-ebanks_09.jpg)
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Does anyone really believe that this will weigh very heavily into voters decision making in 7 1/2 months?
By then, the economy will be in the shitter, McCain will have made 30 or 40 public gaffes, and a tarnished Obama will look like JFK next to McCain in the debates with the hot lights on them.
The good news is that any of the top 3 will do a good job as president. It's just which flavor you prefer at this point.
I can tell you, the flavor I prefer is not chocolate. ;)
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you stupid mother fuckers are going to destroy america's last chance at becoming the great nation it ONCE WAS.
at the moment we are one of the most pathetic, stupid, lazy, fat, ignorant countries in the world.
lets elect someone who can help turn the tide a little bit... NOT more of the same (aka clinton and mccain)
ho damn another reason to hate you, you stupid leftist media - brainwashed teen.
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remember dispite all the hype, a president has only 33% of the power in the federal gov.
Actually, the ability to classify anything incriminating as classified under executive order has created an inability for the legislative and judicial branches to do their job. Most presidents before Bush just did the right thing and didn't delete then blanket classify anything they liked using this tactic. it renders checks and balances useless when one party doesn't have to show up at the weigh-in ;)
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and this black chick is really hot too :)
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This black chicks really hot.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/08_selita-ebanks_08.jpg)
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/08_selita-ebanks_09.jpg)
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/08_selita-ebanks_19.jpg)
You call this black?
They're 50% black at best.
This is BLACK:
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ho damn another reason to hate you, you stupid leftist media - brainwashed teen.
you have no idea who i am or what i have done in american politics. all you know is i am a white kid thats into bodybuilding at posts under "candidizzle".
dont act like you know ANYTHING about the u.s. government, its politicians, and the way things are ran. you dont.
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THIS black chick is hot!
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you have no idea who i am or what i have done in american politics. all you know is i am a white kid thats into bodybuilding at posts under "candidizzle".
dont act like you know ANYTHING about the u.s. government, its politicians, and the way things are ran. you dont.
You're 18, stole 10grand from your family to feed your cocaine addiction, were a fat slob, now a skrawny slob, and you are a race traitor.
You have done nothing in politics or for the American people.
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more entitlements? says who? who supports that? are you considering national healthcare an entitlement? do you consider the fire deparment and police department and usps entitlement programs?
Last I checked, the police and fire departments were financed by local taxes, not the federal government. And the USPS is a joke. FedEx and UPS do a far better job. And nationalizing the health care system would be a joke. It would only be better for the uninsured. For anyone who currently has insurance, it would be far, far worse.
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And nationalizing the health care system would be a joke. It would only be better for the uninsured. For anyone who currently has insurance, it would be far, far worse.
And on what do you base that statement? A theory you came up with on your drive home?
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;Dyou guys are hilarious.
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I don't know how I feel about universal coverage.
I have really good health insurance NOW, but I went for 18 months without coverage after the baby was born (he took my spot on the plan - adding a 3rd person was an insane $ jump). Finally, I got off my ass and got regular coverage with a small monthly bill on my own.
I would hate to see my quaility of service decline because 40 million people climbed on free. On the other hand, I have 2 neices (with lazy parents) without coverage and I worry about them a lot, and know that someone who would cover them would take away that worry.
Actually though, seeing as hilary failed in 1993 with her efforts and quickly got in bed with big medicine, I think nobody will get it accomplished and its all lip service.
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I don't know how I feel about universal coverage.
I have really good health insurance NOW, but I went for 18 months without coverage after the baby was born (he took my spot on the plan - adding a 3rd person was an insane $ jump). Finally, I got off my ass and got regular coverage with a small monthly bill on my own.
I would hate to see my quaility of service decline because 40 million people climbed on free. On the other hand, I have 2 neices (with lazy parents) without coverage and I worry about them a lot, and know that someone who would cover them would take away that worry.
Actually though, seeing as hilary failed in 1993 with her efforts and quickly got in bed with big medicine, I think nobody will get it accomplished and its all lip service.
Think about it rationally. If it's funded the same way that social security is funded (payroll deductions), then there's no reason for the quality of your service to decline.
Studies indicate that in the long run, access to preventive care will mean cheaper insurance for all of us.
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And on what do you base that statement? A theory you came up with on your drive home?
Knowing how socialized medicine works in countries that have it.
Right now, if I need a CAT scan, I can get one within days... if I need an operation, I will get it within a week or two. If I need to see a specialist, I can get an appointment within a week.
In socialized medicine countries, the government tells you what you do and don't get, and you wait forever for it.
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Knowing how socialized medicine works in countries that have it.
Right now, if I need a CAT scan, I can get one within days... if I need an operation, I will get it within a week or two. If I need to see a specialist, I can get an appointment within a week.
In socialized medicine countries, the government tells you what you do and don't get, and you wait forever for it.
Except we're not getting socialized medicine.
If you'd bothered to look at the candidates' proposals, you would know that none of them call for "uniform" coverage, just universal coverage.
If you want additional coverage, you can have it. Most people who are covered through their jobs won't miss a beat.
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monster lack of using your own mind. brutal attempt at repeating conservative talking points. epic lack of knowledge.
;D
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It would only be better for the uninsured. For anyone who currently has insurance, it would be far, far worse.
I know, let's make it even easier for the health insurance companies to drop the people they don't want. Then those who still have health insurance will have it even better.
I know again, let's privatize the fire department. That way rich people will have even better fire protection, and poor people don't have much to lose anyway.
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Except we're not getting socialized medicine.
If you'd bothered to look at the candidates' proposals, you would know that none of them call for "uniform" coverage, just universal coverage.
If you want additional coverage, you can have it. Most people who are covered through their jobs won't miss a beat.
Any way you look at it, it's still a transfer program, taxing money from those who have insurance (and either pay for it directly or indirectly in the form of it being a portion of their total compensation) to give it away free to those who don't. Welcome to the "People's Republic of Amerika". ::)
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I know again, let's privatize the fire department. That way rich people will have even better fire protection, and poor people don't have much to lose anyway.
Someone really needs to teach you libs that fire departments are not part of the federal government. ::)
Last I checked, the police and fire departments were financed by local taxes, not the federal government.
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so theres no such thing as federally funded firefighters?
;D
this is gonna be good.
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so theres no such thing as federally funded firefighters?
;D
this is gonna be good.
State and locally funded.
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I know, let's make it even easier for the health insurance companies to drop the people they don't want. Then those who still have health insurance will have it even better.
::) Good job throwing up a red herring.
The point is, I don't want to see America's health care system, the best in the world, turn into the clusterfucck they have in Europe just so those too cheap to buy insurance can ride on my dime while I have to wait in line for months behind them. >:(
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Someone really needs to teach you libs that fire departments are not part of the federal government. ::)
::) What's your point, beach bum? Does it matter if it's the fed or state? you're willing to pay for UHC in Texas as long as Texas sponsors it?
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::) Good job throwing up a red herring.
The point is, I don't want to see America's health care system, the best in the world, turn into the clusterfucck they have in Europe just so those too cheap to buy insurance can ride on my dime while I have to wait in line for months behind them. >:(
Quit acting like your paranoid fantasies will turn into reality. The whole system is not going to be socialized.
When we got social security, they didn't take away retirement funds, did they? ::)
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Quit acting like your paranoid fantasies will turn into reality. The whole system is not going to be socialized.
When we got social security, they didn't take away retirement funds, did they? ::)
If most people end up covered under the federal system, the government will eventually call all the shots in the health care system, deciding who gets what and when. It will end up like Europe in the end.
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Any way you look at it, it's still a transfer program, taxing money from those who have insurance (and either pay for it directly or indirectly in the form of it being a portion of their total compensation) to give it away free to those who don't. Welcome to the "People's Republic of Amerika". ::)
like over crowded emergency rooms filled with people with no insurance, with little problems turning into big problems because of lack of routine care, isn't costing you billions.
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I don't know how I feel about it. Seeing what happened in 1993, we know that hilary couldn't/wouldn't do it, even with Bill giving her a blank check. no more progress in 16 years. it's a great way to get elected... you are basically telling every 1 in 6 voters that you will give them free healthcare.
But I don't think they'll get it done.
besides, when you don't have medical coverage, you still get ER treatment (more expensive, but it's there- no one is ever denied). It's after they find something broken that a lack of health care means you don't get fixed.
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like over crowded emergency rooms filled with people with no insurance, with little problems turning into big problems because of lack of routine care, isn't costing you billions.
I don't know how it is where you live, but here there are hospitals all over the place, in both rich and poor neighborhoods. All of the charity cases get routed to taxpayer-funded Ben Taub hospital. Sure it costs me money, but at least I don't have to wait in line behind them and get crappy care, since I'd be going to Memorial City hospital instead.
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I don't know how I feel about it. Seeing what happened in 1993, we know that hilary couldn't/wouldn't do it, even with Bill giving her a blank check. no more progress in 16 years. it's a great way to get elected... you are basically telling every 1 in 6 voters that you will give them free healthcare.
But I don't think they'll get it done.
besides, when you don't have medical coverage, you still get ER treatment (more expensive, but it's there- no one is ever denied). It's after they find something broken that a lack of health care means you don't get fixed.
::) We didn't get it because the bitch wouldn't negotiate with insurance cos.
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I don't know how it is where you live, but here there are hospitals all over the place, in both rich and poor neighborhoods. All of the charity cases get routed to taxpayer-funded Ben Taub hospital. Sure it costs me money, but at least I don't have to wait in line behind them and get crappy care, since I'd be going to Memorial City hospital instead.
And here we have a perfect example of "Can't see beyond my own nose" syndrome.
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I don't know how it is where you live, but here there are hospitals all over the place, in both rich and poor neighborhoods.
where I live, Los Angeles, we have a health care crisis. half of all trauma centers have shut down because of lack of funds. there was a recent report on the news that non-critical patients often waited 18-24 hours in the waiting room to be seen.
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where I live, Los Angeles, we have a health care crisis. half of all trauma centers have shut down because of lack of funds. there was a recent report on the news that non-critical patients often waited 18-24 hours in the waiting room to be seen.
Move to Houston. You might not see celebrities (actually that's a good thing), but you'll live a whole hell of a lot better.
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Move to Houston. You might not see celebrities (actually that's a good thing), but you'll live a whole hell of a lot better.
Lots of "Hard working african americans" in Houston.
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Our super hero firefighters from 9/11 had quicker medical help from cuba than from here. People are going to canada to get healthcare. The only way for good service here is if you dont use it.
Movie (Sicko) ;D People in France were laughing that we thought the wait times were long.
Its like a bank policy. If you need the money you will be turned down. If you dont need the money...we will loan you all you want.
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so the federal government doesnt fund any firefighters?
;D ;D
what do you guys think the role of government is?
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Our super hero firefighters from 9/11 had quicker medical help from cuba than from here. People are going to canada to get healthcare. The only way for good service here is if you dont use it.
Movie (Sicko) ;D People in France were laughing that we thought the wait times were long.
Its like a bank policy. If you need the money you will be turned down. If you dont need the money...we will loan you all you want.
Funny, I had a couple Canadians tell me once they had to wait 2 months for an appointment.
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Lots of "Hard working african americans" in Houston.
No, actually our hard workers are Mexicans. They all have jobs and bust their asses. Our "African Americans" are a different story. However, despite Katrina, there are fewer "Africans" in Houston as a percentage than many large cities.
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Funny, I had a couple Canadians tell me once they had to wait 2 months for an appointment.
Exactly. I have had many friends from Canada and from Europe tell me similar first-hand stories, and to a person they all say our health-care system if far better. Those still in Europe aren't complaining simply because they have nothing to compare it to so they don't know any better.
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so the federal government doesnt fund any firefighters?
;D ;D
what do you guys think the role of government is?
Fire departments are primarily funded by local taxes, you idiot.
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Fire departments are primarily funded by local taxes, you idiot.
so the federal government doesnt have its own firefighters, or fund any state/local firefighters?
;)
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I have 3 friends from canada. They say we're fulla shit. They can go in twice a day if they want.
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I have 3 friends from canada. They say we're fulla shit. They can go in twice a day if they want.
The ones I talked to were from Kitchener, near Toronto.
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Most americans will start losing their jobs anyway. But first employers will cut back on benefits that are rising like healthcare. Theyll tell you take it or leave it...the market will flood with a desperate workforce eager to work for minumum wage.
Kiss your healthcare goodbye soon... :-\
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No, actually our hard workers are Mexicans. They all have jobs and bust their asses. Our "African Americans" are a different story. However, despite Katrina, there are fewer "Africans" in Houston as a percentage than many large cities.
So true, I attend the University of Houston and its smack dab in the middle of the ghetto. NO JOKE the popeyes chicken across from campus has bullet proof glass up and a small box cut out of the bottom to give the people the food from. When you drive to school you have to pass by the ghetto and im serious there are like 20 or 30 african americans sitting outside a local convenient store, JUST FUCKING SITTING THERE, at all times of the day. On the other side of town the mexican americans are doing the same thing but there hoping someone comes by and offers them a job >:( sad but true
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So true, I attend the University of Houston and its smack dab in the middle of the ghetto. NO JOKE the popeyes chicken across from campus has bullet proof glass up and a small box cut out of the bottom to give the people the food from. When you drive to school you have to pass by the ghetto and im serious there are like 20 or 30 african americans sitting outside a local convenient store, JUST FUCKING SITTING THERE, at all times of the day. On the other side of town the mexican americans are doing the same thing but there hoping someone comes by and offers them a job >:( sad but true
Poor lil darkies. But trash comes in all colors... :-\
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just nuke the ghettos of America, problem solved :-\
Then where will the the "good" basketball and football players come from?
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Agreed. This whole church thing really fucked obama, and rightfully so.
I agree. I said this a long time ago, people said the church was based on the traditional Christian dogma ::)
The church spreads racism, look at what is happening to society right now with this divergence. In fact, look at last nites Yahoo news "Serena Williams father calls racism" when they have no true allegations anything racially ever happend.
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I would be interested in seeing some discussion and a possible compromise between private insurance and the government about healthcare. Something definitely needs to be changed. However, full government control is not the answer. Perhaps the gov controlling insurance like they control utilities?
Social security was mentioned...yeah, and look what a disaster that will become soon!
Look at government controlled healthcare now...the VA system, most medical personel and patients can tell you that its likely the worst care with the longest waits in America. Also, the problems in Europe and Canada would magnify here because we are so much larger. Still, I agree, something must be done to cover more Americans cheaper. One issue is to stop all these lawsuits and enormous rewards that drive up malpractice for docs and hospitals. Next would be to cut spending on end of life extrordinary measures, which makes up a disproportional amount of medical expenses.
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I would be interested in seeing some discussion and a possible compromise between private insurance and the government about healthcare. Something definitely needs to be changed. However, full government control is not the answer. Perhaps the gov controlling insurance like they control utilities?
Social security was mentioned...yeah, and look what a disaster that will become soon!
Look at government controlled healthcare now...the VA system, most medical personel and patients can tell you that its likely the worst care with the longest waits in America. Also, the problems in Europe and Canada would magnify here because we are so much larger. Still, I agree, something must be done to cover more Americans cheaper. One issue is to stop all these lawsuits and enormous rewards that drive up malpractice for docs and hospitals. Next would be to cut spending on end of life extrordinary measures, which makes up a disproportional amount of medical expenses.
Not sure what happens in other states, but insurance in Hawaii is heavily regulated. We have an Insurance Commissioner that is sort of like a watchdog. All rate hikes have to be approved. Doesn't stop them from gouging us (HMSA raised premiums while sitting on a half billion dollar reserve), but they're still under the state government's thumb.
Then again, we might have better coverage than many states, because all full-time employees get "free" healthcare funded by their employers and our Quest program (along with Medicare/Medicaid) helps those who fall through the cracks.
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Exactly. I have had many friends from Canada and from Europe tell me similar first-hand stories, and to a person they all say our health-care system if far better. Those still in Europe aren't complaining simply because they have nothing to compare it to so they don't know any better.
Good post Goat..anyway Candizzel has alot of white guilt..he has zero clue about what he's talking about. If u hate what Bush has done as far as spending, Obama will drive us even deeper. Except we'll all pay more in taxes as he does it. The health care system in England is in taters. People wait in ambulances so hospitals can get around a new Brit law that sets a time limit for ER waits. As far as Canada...i talked to a large group of Canadian fighter pilots a few months ago...they pay almost 50% in taxes. They also talked about their healthcare system ...people take vacations to the States to get surgeries that take months in Canada. No bid contracts......we're talking KBR/Haliburton so lets name names idiot. Nobody worldwide can replictae what KBR can do...nobody so forget whining. They take pretty good care of us overseas. If we could have kept a few no bid contracts, I'd be carring an H@K M8 machine gun instead of the pos M-4. Candizidiot just because people don't like Obama does not make them racist...after all the shit his preacher said...who's the racist..get a clue.
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you have no idea who i am or what i have done in american politics. all you know is i am a white kid thats into bodybuilding at posts under "candidizzle".
dont act like you know ANYTHING about the u.s. government, its politicians, and the way things are ran. you dont.
you are 18 years old, you only know what you have been told.
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::) Good job throwing up a red herring.
The point is, I don't want to see America's health care system, the best in the world...
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"The best in the world" ???
You mean the best in the world after France, ...UK, ...Norway, ...Malta, ...Japan, ...Italy, ...Switzerland, ...Ireland, Slovenia, ...Canada, ...oh crap, my fingers are getting tired. You meant it's the best in the world after the other 26 countries whose systems are better right?
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I have 3 friends from canada. They say we're fulla shit. They can go in twice a day if they want.
To a "primary care physician", sure.
Ask them about specialists, diagnostic testing, and operations and you'll get a whole other story. ;)
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No, actually our hard workers are Mexicans. They all have jobs and bust their asses. Our "African Americans" are a different story. However, despite Katrina, there are fewer "Africans" in Houston as a percentage than many large cities.
So by your standard the African-Americans don't work hard in your lovey city? Perhaps because they don't do back breaking work like newly arrived illegal immigrants making less than they deserve, no? Show me another ethnic population that has been in America for three-four centuries and accepts substandard pay and working conditions. Perhaps German-Americans are out doing this back breaking work alongside those "hard working Mexicans"? ::)
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"The best in the world" ???
You mean the best in the world after France, ...UK, ...Norway, ...Malta, ...Japan, ...Italy, ...Switzerland, ...Ireland, Slovenia, ...Canada, ...oh crap, my fingers are getting tired. You meant it's the best in the world after the other 26 countries whose systems are better right?
The man's been drinking some seriously spiked Kool-Aid, Jag. ;D
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So by your standard the African-Americans don't work hard in your lovey city?
As a group? No. Obviously there are many individuals who don't fit this mold, but since we're making generalizations here, my statement is valid.
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As a group? No. Obviously there are many individuals who don't fit this mold, but since we're making generalizations here, my statement is valid.
Prove it.
And then show me another ethnic group who is beyond the first generation immigrant experience willing to do the same back breaking work that Mexicans do at the salary and working conditions they accept.
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I think the work people are 'willing to do' is much different than it was when the waves of immigrants came to America after WWI and WWII. I think it has a lot to do with work ethic and the government handouts we give. Why would someone want to work a laborous job making little $ when they can receive the same benefits not working. Its common sense really. I have heard multiple people say this too...and it makes sense. We need accountibility for any assistance given to people by the government that have the physical and mental ability to work (obviously, we need to take extra care of our handicapped and disabled).
Its true that many mexican immigrants work extremely hard. These are people that we actually want to become citizens and deserve a faster path to citizenship! People that come to America in the persuit of a better life and are willing to work hard, contribute and sacrifice are exactly who we want here and exactly what this country was built on!
Illegals that are living off our system are a differnet story. The costs related to illegal immigration are undeniable. The studies have been done recently, but they aren't pushed in the media cause its a sensitive subject.
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Prove it.
It's based on my observations and experiences since living here. If you want to organize and fund a scientifically controlled study go for it.... let me know how it works out! :D
And then show me another ethnic group who is beyond the first generation immigrant experience willing to do the same back breaking work that Mexicans do at the salary and working conditions they accept.
Most of those I refer to are first-generation. But people of Mexican ancestry occupy all socioeconomic levels here... many Mexican families have lived here since it was Mexico.
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It's based on my observations and experiences since living here. If you want to organize and fund a scientifically controlled study go for it.... let me know how it works out! :D
Just as I thought. You can't prove shit. ;)
Most of those I refer to are first-generation. But people of Mexican ancestry occupy all socioeconomic levels here... many Mexican families have lived here since it was Mexico.
I know most of those "hard working Mexicans" you are referring to are first generation. The point I was making soared over your head like an eagle. ::) First generation immigrants always work extremely hard...they have to establish themselves in a country usually by taking the jobs no one else wants. I guarantee the children of those FG's aren't willing to do that same work. It has been the case for every immigrant group that has ever come to these shores. Black people did that kind of back-breaking work from sun up to sun down for a couple of centuries. For ZERO pay. After being in this country for centuries while your family was still running around the hills of Bavaria, do you really expect most blacks to accept the worst jobs at the wages oftimes below minimum wage? I don't, and no other established ethnic group in America will either.
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Black people did that kind of back-breaking work from sun up to sun down for a couple of centuries. For ZERO pay. After being in this country for centuries while your family was still running around the hills of Bavaria, do you really expect most blacks to accept the worst jobs at the wages oftimes below minimum wage? I don't, and no other established ethnic group in America will either.
Of course not. They always have the option to educate themselves and apply themselves, and then they wouldn't have to. That's the same option you or I or anyone else has. But then that's really up to them, isn't it? And if they have chosen not to, are you suggesting they have a right to opt out of work and support themselves through welfare or criminal activities simply because they are not first generation?
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Of course not. They always have the option to educate themselves and apply themselves, and then they wouldn't have to. That's the same option you or I or anyone else has. But then that's really up to them, isn't it? And if they have chosen not to, are you suggesting they have a right to opt out of work and support themselves through welfare or criminal activities simply because they are not first generation?
Of course not, but of course the object of your scorn is often misguided based on your proudly established racist mindset. The average welfare recipient is young, female and WHITE.
The average black person is not out committing crimes, Goatboy. However, if you are one day carjacked by a young black male on the streets of Houston, consider it karma. :D
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The average welfare recipient is young, female and WHITE.
Re-read your statistics, this time using percentage of population instead of absolute numbers, and tell me if you can make that same statement. ::)
The average black person is not out committing crimes, Goatboy.
No shit. ::) I really don't expect to be carjacked by my black cardiologist neighbor. You know full well who I'm referring to.
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Re-read your statistics, this time using percentage of population instead of absolute numbers, and tell me if you can make that same statement. ::)
I don't need to "re-read" shit. I use absolute numbers...you use the "percentage" that supports your racist belief system.
No shit. ::) I really don't expect to be carjacked by my black cardiologist neighbor. You know full well who I'm referring to.
Uhh...no I don't, actually.
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Its odd that Obama supports both the Patriot Act, and the Real ID as they are both direct assaults on our Civil Liberties.
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Its odd that Obama supports both the Patriot Act, and the Real ID as they are both direct assaults on our Civil Liberties.
Neither the current crop of Republicans nor the Democrats are much interested in protecting individual liberty. We need someone with libertarian leanings in power to really clean things up. The closest thing we had in recent history was Ronald Reagan, but between his having to team up with the religious right in order to gain power and being saddled with a democratic congress, his effect was limited. Both Bushes were disasters, and the only thing that prevented things from geting worse during the Clinton years was gridlock due to the GOP congress.
Ron Paul was what this country needed, but he had zero chance of winning.
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Its odd that Obama supports both the Patriot Act, and the Real ID as they are both direct assaults on our Civil Liberties.
Yes. This is begininng of the end of civil liberties in america. Whats interesting is we're being told its for our own good......this equals "Fascism" We will have guys like hh6 to thank for our wonderful lives,soon.
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Get real....people all over Europe have government ID's......there isn't a person on this board who's be subjected to anything negative from the Patriot act....quit ur crying.
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"do you really expect most blacks to accept the worst jobs at the wages oftimes below minimum wage? I don't, and no other established ethnic group in America will either".
Wow, I fully disagree with this statement. There are a lot of unfilled minimum wage and slightly above minimum wage jobs out there, they aren't necessarily fun or give you the quality of life you may want, but they do pay. I expect everyone to work whatever they have to in order to provide for themselves and their families. The idea that some work is beneath us is f'n arrogant and irresponsible. Our federally funded programs have been mismanaged so that people don't have to work, because they have the option to do nothing and collect $. There must be expectations set for any $ given by the government to people who are physically and mentally capable of working. Thats where we have missed the mark.
Your right, some 1st generation immigrants were more likely to do this work but many later generations did too...look at all the people who went into trades, laborers, mom & pop stores, resturants. Look how many Italians & Irish opened family businesses. So, I disagree to an extent.
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Get real....people all over Europe have government ID's......there isn't a person on this board who's be subjected to anything negative from the Patriot act....quit ur crying.
People cry they are having their rights taken away? What rights do you think you are entitled? Because you are born that gives you what, the right of nature and to do anything you please?
While on the other hand people talk that freedom is a illusion, which is it? You can't have a illusionary state of freedom when someone is taking away your rights, lol.
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Actually, the ability to classify anything incriminating as classified under executive order has created an inability for the legislative and judicial branches to do their job. Most presidents before Bush just did the right thing and didn't delete then blanket classify anything they liked using this tactic. it renders checks and balances useless when one party doesn't have to show up at the weigh-in ;)
Looking back to March 2008...
Checks & balances have been rendered USELESS. It was cool with Bush? And now, we're getting amnesty because of this power :(