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Bob Chic may be correct in his view, that drugs should be kept as a NON issue in pro bodybuilding.
Why? Bob's view is based on the practical needs of the sport and how to make $$ , sell tickets and sponsers, etc. My view is based on the legal issues and rules aspects of pro bodybuiding.
I may be correct from a technical pt of view but Bob is correct from a practical view of what "is".
The majority of fans want to see a drug enhanced pro on stage, I admit that.
The judges and IFBB admin want, what the fans support, which makes sense .
Plus, the actual pro bodybuilders don't want to be drug free.
On a personal note, I still think extreme drug use is AGAINST everything I think bodybuilding (physique contests) SHOULD be about. But, I must confess, it has been obvious for a LONG time,that I am in a very small minority here. Thus , it doesn't matter if my views are correct or not. In the end the issue of drugs has long been settled in bodybuilding and my views represent a moot point.
I know when I have lost a battle and this one was over before it started.
Have a good weekend, Howard
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Howie your threads suck donkey balls. Have a good day!
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NO DRUGS = NO IFBB
Drugs will always be a factor in Pro Bodybuilding as well as most other Pro Sports, get over it !
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Howie your threads suck donkey balls. Have a good day!
Sorry, that would GOAT balls mister, I never get with a donkey.
Yes, I already know, drugs are everything and nobody can build any muscle without them. ::) ::) ::)
Geesh, I was for pros being healthy and not risk breaking the federal drug laws, what kind of crazy crap was I thinking. It makes sooooo much more sense to have things as they are.
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why do you think you can't build muscle without drugs Howie? maybe not IFBB sized muscle but you can build size without drugs.
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Good post, Howie!
Only problem is that the truth is out there. And we see the consequences of
people going overboard with drugs. Maybe the sport is destroyed for good?
The Weider's have to thank themselves for that, rewarding the juiced up mass
monster instead of rewarding the ones with more "normal" or aesthetic physique.
(ex Dorian instead of Levrone etc)
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I don't want to see drug induced muscles on stage. As long as Howie approves of them we will never solve the drug problem. I prefer to see men who have no gynocomastia or operations to remove growths in breast tissue. I don't want to see guys with exaggerated deltoids because of local injections. I don't want to see women who look bizarre because of what they do to compete. No thanks.
Do I have to mention how old and lined so many pros appear. Especially the women! All are huge but they no longer look great. They have abs but swollen abdomens. Things really have gone too far and the IFBB is hopeless when it comes to leadership.
Howie should not pay to see shows where no drug testing is done. Stay home and watch the top shows via the internet.
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why do you think you can't build muscle without drugs Howie? maybe not IFBB sized muscle but you can build size without drugs.
Here lies a problem. You CAN have guys of size...but they will also be big boned. This means less roundness and less aesthetics. The bigger guys will also be the bigger waisted guys. The smaller framed guys will carry alot less mass. This will lead to either BIG N BLOCKY or SMALL AND AESTHETIC. You wont see ANY of the phenomenal physiques you see now
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I don't want to see drug induced muscles on stage. .
That's what I thought when I saw pics of your Dianabol enhanced body. Disgusting!
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Here lies a problem. You CAN have guys of size...but they will also be big boned. This means less roundness and less aesthetics. The bigger guys will also be the bigger waisted guys. The smaller framed guys will carry alot less mass. This will lead to either BIG N BLOCKY or SMALL AND AESTHETIC. You wont see ANY of the phenomenal physiques you see now
i agree, you're not going to see the Flex Wheeler or Phil Heath type freaky size on tiny joints but to think that muscle won't grow AT ALL without drugs is just wrong.
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Who says that Pros want to use dangerous amounts of drugs only a Fukin fool would destroy good health.Fuk if they want to break the law and use drugs that is their choice but FFS get that Drug Rule Deleted from the rule book it makes no sense having a benign rule that is not nor ever ENFORCED.Fukin Joke. ::)
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Good post, Howie!
Only problem is that the truth is out there. And we see the consequences of
people going overboard with drugs. Maybe the sport is destroyed for good?
The Weider's have to thank themselves for that, rewarding the juiced up mass
monster instead of rewarding the ones with more "normal" or aesthetic physique.
(ex Dorian instead of Levrone etc)
Thanks, but my biggest fear is that feds or DEA or GOD forbid congress steps in , and nothing positive will come of that. I think Manion did the right thing with his bellyban/overall astehics judging edic from a couple years ago. That was a great idea and good start in solving some of the problems.
Squad- I agree that you can build a lot of muscle , just not freakky IFBB pro size muscle without drugs.
I honesty would prefer seeing the best pros NOT as huge and freaky. I would love to see a contest where conditioning, shape and balance along with adequate but not freaky mass was the winning formula.
Vince- Howie (me ) does NOT approve of drug bloated bodies my friend. Having said that, I am NOT going to sit at home, just complain and avoid going to some great pro shows, c'mon.
The show is going on with me or without me. The only one who would miss out, is me.
Howard
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my views represent a moot point.
in this post, yes they do. anyone with half a brain knows steroids should never be talked about to the general public, if ur trying to make bbing look good. bb fans = not general public. simple marketing, and is just about the #1 rule for all athletic competition, most of which most actually do test for steroids, hence the reason y they are looked upon as 'evil' and 'cheating'.
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in this post, yes they do. anyone with half a brain knows steroids should never be talked about to the general public, if ur trying to make bbing look good. bb fans = not general public. simple marketing, and is just about the #1 rule for all athletic competition, most of which most actually do test for steroids, hence the reason y they are looked upon as 'evil' and 'cheating'.
So, if I read this correct you feel that continued lies and hidden agendas are the way to go?
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So, if I read this correct you feel that continued lies and hidden agendas are the way to go?
i'm not normally for lying, as i dont like to be lied to or lie to people, but theres only two ways it can go - either drug test and become 'natural' or take steroids and completely leave that part out of any mainstream media concerning bbing. even the mags, though to a lesser extent. bbing isnt just gonna get better by talking less and less about steroids, it's about talking more and more about the bbers, bbing and how they are actually funny, normal people (ala arnold im pumping iron).
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i'm not normally for lying, as i dont like to be lied to or lie to people, but theres only two ways it can go - either drug test and become 'natural' or take steroids and completely leave that part out of any mainstream media concerning bbing. even the mags, though to a lesser extent. bbing isnt just gonna get better by talking less and less about steroids, it's about talking more and more about the bbers, bbing and how they are actually funny, normal people (ala arnold im pumping iron).
I agree that more emphasis should be on the actual pros and their physqiues, etc.
However, the roid issue is so out in the public eye now, it will always be an issue that can't be ignored NOW.
That may have worked back years ago when the gen public didn't know much about steroids, but c'mon how will that fly today? Having said that, I wish the drug use was LOT less extreme and made a more minor issue.
Their is one lil' key point behind all this...the FEDERAL drug laws. Hmmm, kinda takes personal opinion out of the equation huh?
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the pros aren't shit without all the drugs.
hope this helps.
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I agree that more emphasis should be on the actual pros and their physqiues, etc.
However, the roid issue is so out in the public eye now, it will always be an issue that can't be ignored NOW.
That may have worked back years ago when the gen public didn't know much about steroids, but c'mon how will that fly today? Having said that, I wish the drug use was LOT less extreme and made a more minor issue.
Their is one lil' key point behind all this...the FEDERAL drug laws. Hmmm, kinda takes personal opinion out of the equation huh?
the drugs wont be a problem unless the sport grows and starts getting tv coverage. it won't be a big 'win' for the government in their war on steroids to put mandatory testing at all shows for ifbb pro shows, as the ifbb (to the general public) isnt that big of a deal as far as a sport goes.
if the pros dont smirk and act stupid around the steroid questions (that's if they ever get an interview that goes mainstream), and come up with a creative answer or simply make sure they never get asked that question on air in the first place, it will be fine and put the focus more on the bber and what they're trying to say.
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Oh Howie! :)
How can people resist when test + deca bulking cycles are costing no more than $150 from UG? c'mon! :)
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Oh Howie! :)
How can people resist when test + deca bulking cycles are costing no more than $150 from UG? c'mon! :)
hahahhaaa, yeah if you want to deal with the fact that UG shit is dirty as pig shit and 70 percent of the claimed dose.
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I don't want to see drug induced muscles on stage. As long as Howie approves of them we will never solve the drug problem. I prefer to see men who have no gynocomastia or operations to remove growths in breast tissue. I don't want to see guys with exaggerated deltoids because of local injections. I don't want to see women who look bizarre because of what they do to compete. No thanks.
Do I have to mention how old and lined so many pros appear. Especially the women! All are huge but they no longer look great. They have abs but swollen abdomens. Things really have gone too far and the IFBB is hopeless when it comes to leadership.
Howie should not pay to see shows where no drug testing is done. Stay home and watch the top shows via the internet.
werent you on some oral steroids when you won your useless trophy in the 1920's ?
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werent you on some oral steroids when you won your useless trophy in the 1920's ?
have you ever won a bodybuilding show at any level?
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Bob says the IFBB Drug Rule is only there for looks it will NEVER be used as they DON'T Drug test Pros so everybody should just calm the Fuk down and look the other way.Drugs are good for the IFBB. ::)
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Bob Chic may be correct in his view, that drugs should be kept as a NON issue in pro bodybuilding.
Why? Bob's view is based on the practical needs of the sport and how to make $$ , sell tickets and sponsers, etc. My view is based on the legal issues and rules aspects of pro bodybuiding.
I may be correct from a technical pt of view but Bob is correct from a practical view of what "is".
The majority of fans want to see a drug enhanced pro on stage, I admit that.
The judges and IFBB admin want, what the fans support, which makes sense .
Plus, the actual pro bodybuilders don't want to be drug free.
On a personal note, I still think extreme drug use is AGAINST everything I think bodybuilding (physique contests) SHOULD be about. But, I must confess, it has been obvious for a LONG time,that I am in a very small minority here. Thus , it doesn't matter if my views are correct or not. In the end the issue of drugs has long been settled in bodybuilding and my views represent a moot point.
I know when I have lost a battle and this one was over before it started.
Have a good weekend, Howard
Really dude these threads are geting really boring. Like fuck you keep saying you'll stop but now you're making more than ever.
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Yeah as boring as hearing the IFBB say they Drug Test Pros.It's in the Rules you know. ::)
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why do you think you can't build muscle without drugs Howie? maybe not IFBB sized muscle but you can build size without drugs.
naah you need drugs for size
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The use of Banned subtsances has not been in the media for sometime. I am glad the IFBB ENFORCE there Drug Rules. ::)Esp with the Pros. ::)
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Chick is what?
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natural pros look decent. guys like layne norton arent the epitome of a natural pro physique. they can be big, but we're talking a good 40lbs+ of muscle difference here. if the drug rule was enforced, it would be a great day for bbing, for reasons howie has explained in other threads. we'd adjust to the size difference and the actual physiques would be more appealing to the general public. but i dont think anyone within the ifbb will make those changes, as that could be a major blow financially to the ifbb, given the other natural organisations out there.
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Bob Chick has gone quiet on the IFBB Drug Rules of late has someone told him to STFU.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm ::)
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the sad thing is howie it took you this long to figure it out.. take the drugs out and it no longer exists.. i would have thought that was common sense.. yet every thread you start is based on this subject over and over.. just get over it and enjoy the sport/game.. if not .. stop bitching and support only natural events.. there seems to be two guys here that have complete hard ons for steroids in bodybuilding yet, they can leave it any time and support the nga.. look into it..PLEASE..
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Bob Chick has gone quiet on the IFBB Drug Rules of late has someone told him to STFU.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm ::)
LOL, I suspect Bob is out doing real stuff with his time and not sitting here like some loser like me LOL
he could be working out, getting laid or talking to that psychic cat that predicted he would win in War for the worlds hehee
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LOL, I suspect Bob is out doing real stuff with his time and not sitting here like some loser like me LOL
he could be working out, getting laid or talking to that psychic cat that predicted he would win in War for the worlds hehee
Close....I was working the NPC Max Muscle Naturals over the weekend, then golfing on Sunday.
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the sad thing is howie it took you this long to figure it out.. take the drugs out and it no longer exists.. i would have thought that was common sense.. yet every thread you start is based on this subject over and over.. just get over it and enjoy the sport/game.. if not .. stop bitching and support only natural events.. there seems to be two guys here that have complete hard ons for steroids in bodybuilding yet, they can leave it any time and support the nga.. look into it..PLEASE..
When the dust clears, I say my pc, shut up and enjoy the show.
I get a kick out of seeing the pro shows as is. I just can't help but worry about the legal and health issues.
I know you saw what cricus congress made out of the baseball roid hearings?
THAT would kill bodybuilding more than drugs or drug testing. I would hope we avoid that crap>
It is possible after 72 DEA supeonas at the arnold 3 yrs ago.
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Close....I was working the NPC Max Muscle Naturals over the weekend, then golfing on Sunday.
Sounds like a good weekend Bob. I had a great one with the ex wife /gf. I went to an NGA "natural' show sat night. After that , despite seeing some good physiques, the NPC/ IFBB is lookin' good.
here is my babe holding an issue from the dark side with guess who on the cover ?
PS/ I said my pc on the drug issue and you and some responded, now back to other issues. Even I am sick of it for now at least hehehe.Even when I beat a dead horse I know enough to shut up and let it get buried once and for all hehe.Diown deep I more worried about the loss of pro shows over some bad PR and GOV/DEA hassle that solves nada for us in bodybuilding that love the sport.
Howard
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When the dust clears, I say my pc, shut up and enjoy the show.
I get a kick out of seeing the pro shows as is. I just can't help but worry about the legal and health issues.
I know you saw what cricus congress made out of the baseball roid hearings?
THAT would kill bodybuilding more than drugs or drug testing. I would hope we avoid that crap>
It is possible after 72 DEA supeonas at the arnold 3 yrs ago.
But didn't you say in the other thread that you contacted politicians and other people to talk about drugs in bb? In a worst case scenario you could bring a huge shit storm upon the industry. You'd be persona non grata in these circles after that. :D
Best thing to do to "avoid that crap" is to keep as quiet as possible about the drugs in bb and hope for political change sometime in the future.
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I was working the NPC Max Muscle Naturals
are they really natural, in your opinion?
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But didn't you say in the other thread that you contacted politicians and other people to talk about drugs in bb? In a worst case scenario you could bring a huge shit storm upon the industry. You'd be persona non grata in these circles after that. :D
Best thing to do to "avoid that crap" is to keep as quiet as possible about the drugs in bb and hope for political change sometime in the future.
yes, i did contact some and at the time I felt it would help things. fter seeing the media circus of the recent roids hearing in congress, i feel I was wrong.
What is funny is how I tend to piss off more people when I talk about the issue of drugs in BB than most do>?
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yes, i did contact some and at the time I felt it would help things. fter seeing the media circus of the recent roids hearing in congress, i feel I was wrong.
What is funny is how I tend to piss off more people when I talk about the issue of drugs in BB than most do>?
howie they tried in 1990 to test and the olympia that year,1991 they changed the drug to a different class in controlled substance act,ok fine but it has never changed a bit .now its all the media rage,back in 1990/91 how much did it get covered and on a athletic standpoint baseball/footbll had no idea or worrys about it yet.it blew over quick back then ,now its all you hear.it was being abused and used then too,times are different now to get the point across,internet ,more tv news programs ect...
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are they really natural, in your opinion?
They certainly look natural....
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Howie it sounds like you want to make a change a lot of people will be nervous remember they the IFBB have a Drug Rule that they never use.Drug use in BB is perfect in their eyes just ask the Pro Rep.
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onbce again, many are missing the point.. drug testing does not curb drug use.. look at the ifbb world championships.. it is tested by ioc standards yet we have 250 pound ripped to shreds guys winning the higher weight classes.. so, they know how to get around it.. so, if your case is that testing will help the athletes health, you are mistaken.. they can get around the test.. if your case is that it will help the legal issue, it makes no sense because they wil still use.. so testing is really a mute issue..
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Howie it sounds like you want to make a change a lot of people will be nervous remember they the IFBB have a Drug Rule that they never use.Drug use in BB is perfect in their eyes just ask the Pro Rep.
Bro...you're obsessed, figure it out, or move on
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So is having that Fukin Drug Rule in the IFBB Rules.Mute just as you said.Delete the Fukin rule.
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Figure what out the IFBB have a Drug Rule that they don't and will not use as the world of sport find more and more Drug use in sport the IFBB celebrate the ever increasing abuse of Drugs.Many will move on when the MEDIA decide to take a good look at the shit that goes on.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ;D
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werent you on some oral steroids when you won your useless trophy in the 1920's ?
No such thing as a useless trophy. For example, I have my "Undefeated Season Trophy" from my 2nd year in Little League up on my bedroom wall still. It's a great conversation piece. Or, the year I was MVP for my bowling league back in 97'...nice tall trophy, BOOM! Let's not forget the honorable mention ribbon I got in swim class in 83'. They'll be talking about that for years to come.
Basically, anything that is gold plated or even finished in a gold plastic, is simply priceless. Plus, it let's people know you're a somebody when they enter your home. ;)
;D
(http://www.phoenixgsd.org/images/trophywall17.jpg)
People see this and know, I'm not fucking around!
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No such thing as a useless trophy. For example, I have my "Undefeated Season Trophy" from my 2nd year in Little League up on my bedroom wall still. It's a great conversation piece. Or, the year I was MVP for my bowling league back in 97'...nice tall trophy, BOOM! Let's not forget the honorable mention ribbon I got in swim class in 83'. They'll be talking about that for years to come.
B that is gold plated or even finished in a gold plastic, is simply priceless. Plus, it let's people know you're a somebody when they enter your home. ;)
;D
what's the best game score you ever bowled?
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what's the best game score you ever bowled?
I was joking about the trophy thing, of course, but I bowled a 278 once. For a year or so, I was big into bowling...haha Real athletes! :D
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Do they test for Drug use in that sport.I bet they make more money than a lot of Pro BBs.
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Howie it sounds like you want to make a change a lot of people will be nervous remember they the IFBB have a Drug Rule that they never use.Drug use in BB is perfect in their eyes just ask the Pro Rep.
Ok here is my feelings about this whole drugs in BB deal. As you know for a Joe Blow nobody I have actually made a decent effort over many YEARS to make drug use as issue and to have something done about it.
The problem with that idea is that the vast majority of everyone in hardcore bodybuilding doesn't think drugs are bad.
To the reg BB crowd it is me that has the "problem".
Kinda like living in a city where 95% of the people have 3 arms. Anyone with just 2 arms is wierd in that city ya know.
I have long accpeted that the hardcore , roid users will go down fighting with the last syringe cluthed tightly in their hands. Much like a diehard NRA with his rifle.
It is obvious to e me that many of the hardcoreo roid users think real bodybuilding is near impossible with drugs.
To them when you take away most of the drugs you end the sport the know and love.
It is like flat chested girls who get implants. They are going to give those up until their chest explodes with 'em LOL
In the end, I strongly believe , the roid issue is almost a religious one for some extreme hardcore guys.
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Howie the issue is Drugs are banned in SPORT and the IFBB have a benign Drug Rule that is not being used to test Pros competing just as the Pro Rep says who fukin cares move on get over it.Well it will come to a head and the media will fukin burn a sport that condones Drug use. ::)
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it wont come to a head anytime soon. if it did, theyd be testing. simple as that.
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It has to Drug use in any sport is frowned on so it will catch up with BB it has to.Just look how many threads they are DELETING on this board.IFBB Drug Rule = Use More Drugs.Hmmmmmmmmmmm ::)
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in about 8-10 years it will likely be a minor issue, in which case they'd pull another 'drug tested olympia' and carry on like normal for the years after that. it all depends on what the current stance on drugs is by the government and whether it will be high enough to bother some nobody-sport like bbing.
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20 years ago school kids did not even know what a steroid was now they are using. BB has to be accountable when they have Pros walking around loaded and able to compete on stage with no thought of ever being tested as the Pro Rep says the Rule is there but never going to be used.
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Any thread that starts out "Bob Chick may be right..." is surely good for a few laughs. ;D
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I can't believe some of the stuff he has said "The Ifbb Drug Rule doesn't need to be Deleted as they the IFBB are never going to use it"Now that is a Fukin Classic.Nice work Pro Rep. ::)