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This is fucking RACIST!!!
America is one fucked up country lol.
Can you imagine this being said by white people?
"My ancestors were warriors!"
No, your ancestors were fucking slaves to the white man... ??? ??? ::) (no racist)
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are you saying david duke is an hero Spinnis?
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are you saying david duke is an hero Spinnis?
No, but this man is,
(http://www.crimenight.se/images/Flinga_Rick_1.jpg)
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Why dont whites make an ad on facts about black on white crime stats?
Black people like to generalize, its time White people did the same dont u think so ???
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Why dont whites make an ad on facts about black on white crime stats?
Black people like to generalize, its time White people did the same dont u think so ???
I agree.
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Yes, the great stefan hentschel slapping the shit out of some tiny tit begging for money.
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that's the spirit! :D
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Yes, the great stefan hentschel slapping the shit out of some tiny tit begging for money.
He hung himself in the basement 2006?
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He hung himself in the basement 2006?
Yes, too bad.
PIP.
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Yes, too bad.
PIP.
The tiny tit got the last laugh :(
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Hmmmm Blacks are the superior athletes,,,,,,hmmmmm. Let's see..... the last 3 MVPs in the NBA, the greatest basketball league in the world, were white. The last 2 MVPs in the NFL were white. The fastest 400 meter sprinter in the world is white.The 3 Heaveyweight boxers to hold the most recent championship belts are white. The worlds strongest man is white. The fastest speedskaters, swimmers, skiers, high hurdler, rowers, and bicyclers in the world, last year were white or asian. The worlds highest high jumper, best shot putter best javelin thrower, best discus thrower, best pole vaulter, and best hammer thrower last year, were all...................wh ite. Though, I have to say, the best golfer in the world last year was................that's ok...you know where i'm going. Good athletes are every color.
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It's true. We all know the pay-off. The black man, in general, has more physical attributes. The flip side to this coin is that his cognitive faculties are way, way behind that of Jews, Asians and ole whitey.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
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who created civilization? who invented the greatest inventions of the world? there is fact to blacks having better genes for athletics, read record breakers in sports....but theres no denying who created this earth as we know it with its technology, whites... read any history book. facts are facts.
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the best golfer in the world last year was asian
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The only reason blacks are 'better' at sports is because its all they do. They practice day and night trying to make it to the pros because they dont have the intellect to hold white collar jobs. I am not a racist, i just call it like i see it.
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Lots of racists in this thread.
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Ever notice this in commercials and most modern TV shows/movies?
The middle-aged white guy is almost always portrayed as an idiotic, out of shape buffoon(a lot of 'em are, but still) whereas the black guy is almost always portrayed as intelligent, in shape, good looking, and speaks well. In all commercials, it is always the black guy one-upping the white guy by correcting him, or rolling his eyes at the stupidity that the white guy displays.
Perhaps the ad agencies are too aware that any display, no matter how innocent, of the black being on the insulting and humiliating end of the stick could cause the possible wrath of the Poverty Pimps, Jackson and Sharpton and others of their ilk.
Take a look at the front cover of this magazine :)
I'm sure most of you have read about the so-called controversy about it. Funny shit about how we're supposed to be a color-blind society, but yet literally walk on edge in a frantic attempt to not possibly offend any group......other than white people.
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Racism is the greatest form of ignorance; plain and simple, racists are cowards!
To assess that one man is better than another because of skin color is ignorance!
To judge an entire ethnic group because of the immoral actions of a few is ignorance!
I pitty all racists!
Why racism; does it make you feel better about you? Are you really that pissed that so many others have it better than you?
Where is the benefit?
Would you be better off if those that you feel are inferior to you were dead?
I have been around 40+ years and I cannot get a straight answer from a racist.
Can anyone man up and say yes they are a racist and explain why?
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Racism is the greatest form of ignorance; plain and simple, racists are cowards!
To assess that one man is better than another because of skin color is ignorance!
To judge an entire ethnic group because of the immoral actions of a few is ignorance!
I pitty all racists!
Why racism; does it make you feel better about you? Are you really that pissed that so many others have it better than you?
Where is the benefit?
Would you be better off if those that you feel are inferior to you were dead?
I have been around 40+ years and I cannot get a straight answer from a racist.
Can anyone man up and say yes they are a racist and explain why?
What is your definition of a racist? Most everyone uses racist terms from time to time, (yeah I know, you never do ::) ) I don't hate every person of other races, but I do hold strong opinions based on stereotypes. I'm sure most people do, whether or not they admit it ( yeah again, not you, right?)
I know you are black so let me use this example....you are walking down the street, a group of white guy with shaved heads, combat boots, jeans and white t-shirts are coming straight at you....what do you think? Do you think, "hey here comes a group of straight A college students"...or do you think, "Shit, I'm about to get my ass whooped by a White Power gang?"
Now switch that to a white guy walking down the street and a group of black guys coming at him with their pants around their ankles and their tshirts 5 sizes too big wearing the same colored doo rags......what's whitey to think?
Let me guess, "hustle man", you never have racist thoughts? You ever been behind the slow ass driver on the street and when you pass them, they're oriental and you think to yourself, "damn, I knew it!" ;)
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What is your definition of a racist? Most everyone uses racist terms from time to time, (yeah I know, you never do ::) ) I don't hate every person of other races, but I do hold strong opinions based on stereotypes. I'm sure most people do, whether or not they admit it ( yeah again, not you, right?)
I know you are black so let me use this example....you are walking down the street, a group of white guy with shaved heads, combat boots, jeans and white t-shirts are coming straight at you....what do you think? Do you think, "hey here comes a group of straight A college students"...or do you think, "Shit, I'm about to get my ass whooped by a White Power gang?"
Now switch that to a white guy walking down the street and a group of black guys coming at him with their pants around their ankles and their tshirts 5 sizes too big wearing the same colored doo rags......what's whitey to think?
Let me guess, "hustle man", you never have racist thoughts? You ever been behind the slow ass driver on the street and when you pass them, they're oriental and you think to yourself, "damn, I knew it!" ;)
Well, well, my brother Chaos! Long time no shit talking with you lol! How have you been my brother?
Chaos: What is your definition of a racist?
HM: Somebody who hates others who are not of his or her own ethnic group.
Chaos’ claim: Most everyone uses racist terms from time to time, (yeah I know, you never do ::) )
HM Rebuttal: (2 parts)
A) I do not and it is not tolerated on my property or in my home; my children and their friends know my stance on this (It is punishable by revocation of privileges and a 1000 word essay on why racism is ignorant)
B) You are correct I do not and will never resort to racial epithets, I am better than that!
Chaos: I don't hate every person of other races, but I do hold strong opinions based on stereotypes.
HM Rebuttal: I believe you are better than that, throw that yoke off man!
Chaos: I'm sure most people do, whether or not they admit it (yeah again, not you, right?)
HM Rebuttal: Addressing your after thought; You guessed correctly again my friend!
Chaos: I know you are black so let me use this example....you are walking down the street, a group of white guy with shaved heads, combat boots, jeans and white t-shirts are coming straight at you....what do you think? Do you think, "hey here comes a group of straight A college students"...or do you think, "Shit, I'm about to get my ass whooped by a White Power gang?"
HM Rebuttal: No, I say Look, a group of guys with shaved heads, combat boots, jeans and white t-shirts maybe I should cross the street so they can have more room. But if they follow me across the street, I take the safety off my 9mm.
Chaos: Now switch that to a white guy walking down the street and a group of black guys coming at him with their pants around their ankles and their tshirts 5 sizes too big wearing the same colored doo rags......what's whitey to think?
HM’s answer: It does not matter if you are white, black, brown or yellow cross the street and if they follow you; make ready your weapon of choice.
Chaos: Let me guess, "Hustle man", you never have racist thoughts?
HM’s answer: No, because then I would become what I despise. Besides I have too many relatives that are Caucasian, hell I have Caucasian roots as well my great grand father was Irish, that’s right my grand mother and her siblings were half white! I grew up in a family that was raised to judge a person by the content of their character not the color of their skin.
Chaos: You ever been behind the slow ass driver on the street and when you pass them, they're oriental and you think to yourself, "Damn, I knew it!" ;)
HM’s answer: No, but I have prejudices (albeit not racial) I will not deny that!
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you are most definetly americans because due to the politics of your country you have totally lost the meaning of the word racist.
Whether a bunch of black guys are walking down the street with home boy appearance or if a bunch of skin heads are approaching you, you should react accourdingly as your instincts tell you...move away. You are basing your reaction on the KNOWLEDGE that this group of people are bad news. This is stereotyping not racism, you mind instinctively to keep you from harm will let you know what you should be avoiding. Your judgement may be wrong but it doesnt matter because people who choose to appear this way know very well that they are interpreted as a danger to others and still choose to look like this.
Racism is the hatred of another race or races.
Stereotyping is basing your judgement on what you know about a type of person.
So saying black guys have better abs, white guys are more civil, asian guys are more intelligant is not racism or ignorance its just a judgement on what you know, it has no harmful intent.
End of lesson
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you are most definetly americans because due to the politics of your country you have totally lost the meaning of the word racist.
Whether a bunch of black guys are walking down the street with home boy appearance or if a bunch of skin heads are approaching you, you should react accourdingly as your instincts tell you...move away. You are basing your reaction on the KNOWLEDGE that this group of people are bad news. This is stereotyping not racism, you mind instinctively to keep you from harm will let you know what you should be avoiding. Your judgement may be wrong but it doesnt matter because people who choose to appear this way know very well that they are interpreted as a danger to others and still choose to look like this.
Racism is the hatred of another race or races.
Stereotyping is basing your judgement on what you know about a type of person.
So saying black guys have better abs, white guys are more civil, asian guys are more intelligant is not racism or ignorance its just a judgement on what you know, it has no harmful intent.
End of lesson
Agreed. It's only racism if you hate ALL people of a certain ethnic group. Hating pathetic low-life losers is healthy.*
* I'm so healthy I'm going to live forever. :D
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Racism is the greatest form of ignorance; plain and simple, racists are cowards!
A total non sequitur. Try again, homeboy.
To assess that one man is better than another because of skin color is ignorance!
To judge an entire ethnic group because of the immoral actions of a few is ignorance!
No, it is a useful tool. One either assumes all blacks (or whatever race) are friendly and works from there, or the opposite is done. One is not worse than the other. It is simply a way of dealing with the fact that you cannot personally get to know every individual.
I pitty all racists!
I pitty [sic] all those who can't spell 'pity'.
Would you be better off if those that you feel are inferior to you were dead?
Of course not! There will always be people needed to dig ditches, flip burgers, sweep the streets, etc. We could make do with a lot less inferior specimen though.
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HM Rebuttal: No, I say “Look, a group of a group of guys with shaved heads, combat boots, jeans and white t-shirts maybe I should cross the street so they can have more room. But if they follow me across the street, I take the safety off my 9mm.
You lose a lot of credibility with that lie, errrrrr statement, sir.
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You lose a lot of credibility with that lie, errrrrr statement, sir.
How so sir? I am merely making myself ready to self-protect!
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HM said: Racism is the greatest form of ignorance; plain and simple, racists are cowards!
Phreak said: A total non sequitur. Try again, homeboy.
Maybe I should have said racism is a form of ignorance. Ok you disagree, typical retort by a racist.
HM said: To assess that one man is better than another because of skin color is ignorance!
To judge an entire ethnic group because of the immoral actions of a few is ignorance!
Phreak said: No, it is a useful tool. One either assumes all blacks (or whatever race) are friendly and works from there, or the opposite is done. One is not worse than the other. It is simply a way of dealing with the fact that you cannot personally get to know every individual.
HM says: Prejudice may be a useful tool racism is not.
Phreak said: I pitty [sic] all those who can't spell 'pity'.
HM said:Ok I fat fingered the spelling, so sorry for not proof reading, I must be inferior to you, does this make you feel better about you?
HM said: Would you be better off if those that you feel are inferior to you were dead?
Phreak said: Of course not! There will always be people needed to dig ditches, flip burgers, sweep the streets, etc. We could make do with a lot less inferior specimen though.
HM said:Typical racist reply, you would have been more productive if you meant well. I see nothing wrong with this type of work but why look down on those that provide this type of service? I say commend their efforts, everyone must do their part in society!
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Maybe I should have said racism Ok you disagree, typical retort by a racist.
Your non sequitur is a statement which predicates no response, because the statement itself does not follow a logical pattern, nor even proper syntax. Why is it that self-proclaimed champions of causes are always so piss-poor at spelling, debating, and essentially any other activity? Those essays you are forcing our kids to write to further your propaganda: good idea. Hope they turn out better educated than you, if still misguided.
But besides that: try to give me an explanation why racism equals cowardice. This should be funny.
Prejudice may be a useful tool racism is not.
Prejudice is by definition biased, racism not necessarily so, from a personal perspective. So you prefer something which is by definition flawed to something which just might be flawed?
Ok I fat fingered the spelling, so sorry for not proof reading, I must be inferior to you, does this make you feel better about you?
Not really, because I had already gathered as much from your previous posts.
Typical racist reply, you would have been more productive if you meant well. I see nothing wrong with this type of work but why look down on those that provide this type of service? I say commend their efforts, everyone must do their part in society!
That is why I specifically mention that they should exist. I'm most definitely not going to do that type of work. It is interesting that you yourself are coming out of the closet as a racist now. By defending those lower-caste people AND calling me a racist, you imply that those jobs are only done by specific races. How racist of you. Where did I ever say or imply that I was talking about race at all? I specifically referred to 'people'. YOU turn it into a race thing. Must be nice and warm under your blanket of victimisation. Just note: I didn't put you there, you crawled under it yourself.
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Your non sequitur is a statement which predicates no response, because the statement itself does not follow a logical pattern, nor even proper syntax.
What is the logical pattern that needs to be followed here?
Why is it that self-proclaimed champions of causes are always so piss-poor at spelling, debating, and essentially any other activity?
What is my cause please tell me this? Piss-poor spelling hmmm maybe you should spell check your posts but I don't need to point out where you are deficient in this area to make my point. You have a problem with people that are against racism you support racism you think racial prejudice is a useful tool. You attack and judge me because I say give respect where it is due. You think you are better than me, how so?
Those essays you are forcing our kids to write to further your propaganda: good idea.
What propaganda? I teach my children to treat everyone with respect, judge the individual is that wrong in your eyes?
Hope they turn out better educated than you, if still misguided.
My hope is that they are better educated and I work hard to give them better than what I had, like my parents tried to give me better than what they had. But you try to tear that down by hurling insults with words like "forcing" "misguided" My children are the future but you try to tear down what I am doing to make yourself feel better about you. Would you rather I teach them be racists? I am breaking the chains that have kept many children from reaching attainable goals according to their abilities. You don't want that you would rather they be less productive and not contribute to society you want them to be a burden.
Prejudice is by definition biased, racism not necessarily so, from a personal perspective. So you prefer something which is by definition flawed to something which just might be flawed?
How do you deduce that I prefer one over the other? Simply because I said prejudice can be a useful tool I hope you revisit my quote because you left out the important part. HM says: Prejudice may be a useful tool racism is not
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Not really, because I had already gathered as much from your previous posts.
Another attempt to belittle
That is why I specifically mention that they should exist. I'm most definitely not going to do that type of work. It is interesting that you yourself are coming out of the closet as a racist now.
Racist me? lol
By defending those lower-caste people AND calling me a racist, you imply that those jobs are only done by specific races. How racist of you.
That is not what I said at all but face it you are a racist and I don't know why maybe you don't even know why. I can only assume you were taught to be what you are.
Where did I ever say or imply that I was talking about race at all? I specifically referred to 'people'. YOU turn it into a race thing. Must be nice and warm under your blanket of victimisation.
You are grasping for terms, I never referred to those that hold the jobs you think only "lower-caste" folks hold are of a specific race.
[/quote]Just note: I didn't put you there, you crawled under it yourself.[/quote] Now that's funny! But what is really funny is that you are probably young and have not experienced this world outside of your comfort zone and all you have is what someone taught you in a classroom maybe this is why you think you are better than others. Actually it's not funny it's sad. I am making a difference, are you?
But besides that: try to give me an explanation why racism equals cowardice. This should be funny.
Well you may call racism a great survival technique. I think examples will better explain this.
I will give one then I have to go. "JIM CROW"
I have a telcon I will be back.
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Well, well, my brother Chaos! Long time no shit talking with you lol! How have you been my brother?
Chaos: What is your definition of a racist?
HM: Somebody who hates others who are not of his or her own ethnic group.
Chaos’ claim: Most everyone uses racist terms from time to time, (yeah I know, you never do ::) )
HM Rebuttal: (2 parts)
A) I do not and it is not tolerated on my property or in my home; my children and their friends know my stance on this (It is punishable by revocation of privileges and a 1000 word essay on why racism is ignorant)
B) You are correct I do not and will never resort to racial epithets, I am better than that!
Chaos: I don't hate every person of other races, but I do hold strong opinions based on stereotypes.
HM Rebuttal: I believe you are better than that, throw that yoke off man!
Chaos: I'm sure most people do, whether or not they admit it (yeah again, not you, right?)
HM Rebuttal: Addressing your after thought; You guessed correctly again my friend!
Chaos: I know you are black so let me use this example....you are walking down the street, a group of white guy with shaved heads, combat boots, jeans and white t-shirts are coming straight at you....what do you think? Do you think, "hey here comes a group of straight A college students"...or do you think, "Shit, I'm about to get my ass whooped by a White Power gang?"
HM Rebuttal: No, I say Look, a group of guys with shaved heads, combat boots, jeans and white t-shirts maybe I should cross the street so they can have more room. But if they follow me across the street, I take the safety off my 9mm.
Chaos: Now switch that to a white guy walking down the street and a group of black guys coming at him with their pants around their ankles and their tshirts 5 sizes too big wearing the same colored doo rags......what's whitey to think?
HM’s answer: It does not matter if you are white, black, brown or yellow cross the street and if they follow you; make ready your weapon of choice.
Chaos: Let me guess, "Hustle man", you never have racist thoughts?
HM’s answer: No, because then I would become what I despise. Besides I have too many relatives that are Caucasian, hell I have Caucasian roots as well my great grand father was Irish, that’s right my grand mother and her siblings were half white! I grew up in a family that was raised to judge a person by the content of their character not the color of their skin.
Chaos: You ever been behind the slow ass driver on the street and when you pass them, they're oriental and you think to yourself, "Damn, I knew it!" ;)
HM’s answer: No, but I have prejudices (albeit not racial) I will not deny that!
First off, I'm doing good as always, glad to see you still stirring up shit! ;D
OK, to the nitty gritty..........
HM Rebuttal: No, I say Look, a group of guys with shaved heads, combat boots, jeans and white t-shirts maybe I should cross the street so they can have more room. But if they follow me across the street, I take the safety off my 9mm.
I could blast you pretty hard for this one, a black man, walking down the street with a 9mm.....typical. ;) (You did that one to yourself :-* )
HM’s answer: No, but I have prejudices (albeit not racial) I will not deny that!
So what is the difference between a prejudice and a stereotype?
For the sake of argument....if you are prejudice against people with blue eyes, doesn't that mean you stereotype all people with blue eyes into that catagory?
HM’s answer: No, because then I would become what I despise. Besides I have too many relatives that are Caucasian, hell I have Caucasian roots as well my great grand father was Irish, that’s right my grand mother and her siblings were half white! I grew up in a family that was raised to judge a person by the content of their character not the color of their skin.
OK, I know a little about your family from our past convo's....and I remember the incident in the parking lot. So, if you were that angry over one comment, how many times would it take to hear a comment like that before you started despising the people(race) that said it?
I have my reasons, that I will not get into publicly, for an immidiate dislike of people of most other races. In my dealings, day to day, they(other races) have to be able to show me that they don't have ulterior motives, if not, I remain on the defense with them, until I no longer have to do business with them or I change the situation.
What state/city do you live in HustleMan?
Do you mind if I ask a question about your kids, if it's not OK, I understand.
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How so sir? I am merely making myself ready to self-protect!
I'm not talking about the obvious, I am referring to the lie, that you would cross all of the way over to the other side of the street in order to "give them more room". I reckon that the insult on intelligence that I am accusing you of, goes hand in hand with your own lack there of.........oh well.
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“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?”
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What is the logical pattern that needs to be followed here?
Technically this would have been sound: "Racism is the greatest form of ignorance; of plain and simple, racists are ignorant! Racists being cowards does not follow in any way from your declamation that racists are ignorant.
What is my cause please tell me this?
trying to force your opinions and conditioned idead on others by referring to everyone who disagrees as 'ignorant', 'racist', etc. does tend to give me the idea that your agenda is to force everyone to concur with your position. That might be construed as having an agenda, in the sense that you are not here for a debate.
Piss-poor spelling hmmm maybe you should spell check your posts but I don't need to point out where you are deficient in this area to make my point.
Neither do I. I just point it out because generally failure in this area bothers me, and is often indicative of an untrained and undisciplined mind. Not great assets in a debate.
You have a problem with people that are against racism you support racism you think racial prejudice is a useful tool.
I have a problem with people who are dead against support of racism, without being open to any form of argument whatsoever. Let me ask you a question: will you ever, even when being completely overwhelmed with irrefutable evidence that racism is normal, admit that maybe you were wrong in your opinion? I have a sneaking suspicion that your conditioning has been too strong, and that you would cling to your beliefs no matter what. THAT is what I have a problem with.
And no, I actually said prejudice is always incorrect. If you cannot bring yourself to actually read people's posts, you are doing them and yourself a disservice by cluttering a discussion with your responses.
You attack and judge me because I say give respect where it is due. You think you are better than me, how so?[/color]
Well, I cannot take someone seriously who cannot debate, cannot formulate a cogent argument, doesn't bother to use proper spelling and grammar, and is not even ashamed of those problems. So yes, on those points alone I am quantifiably better than you. I suspect there are lots more, but that would be conjecture on my part.
What propaganda? I teach my children to treat everyone with respect, judge the individual is that wrong in your eyes?
You teach your children that racism is unconditionally wrong. When you press your world view in such absolutes, it is not teaching, it is propaganda. Especially because you cannot even explain why racism is always bad.
My hope is that they are better educated and I work hard to give them better than what I had, like my parents tried to give me better than what they had. But you try to tear that down by hurling insults with words like "forcing" "misguided" My children are the future but you try to tear down what I am doing to make yourself feel better about you. Would you rather I teach them be racists? I am breaking the chains that have kept many children from reaching attainable goals according to their abilities. You don't want that you would rather they be less productive and not contribute to society you want them to be a burden.
You are replacing dogma with dogma. The best thing you could do for your children is to teach them how to think, not what to think. If you do a good job at the latter, they will be able to figure out for themselves what is true or not.
How do you deduce that I prefer one over the other? Simply because I said prejudice can be a useful tool I hope you revisit my quote because you left out the important part. .
Another attempt to belittle
I did. This is what you wrote: "Prejudice may be a useful tool racism is not." As you don't know the definition of prejudice, let me help you:
(1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics.
Now tell me again why prejudice, an inherently flawed negative opinion, is good?
Racist me? lol
Oh, sorry. Only whitey can be racist, of course. You don't get the irony of your own statements, do you?
That is not what I said at all but face it you are a racist and I don't know why maybe you don't even know why. I can only assume you were taught to be what you are.
Dodge the issue, call opponent racist, claim victory. That's apparently how you were raised, can't really blame you for it.
You are grasping for terms, I never referred to those that hold the jobs you think only "lower-caste" folks hold are of a specific race.
No you didn't. You said that I did, but that is patently untrue. I was speaking of lower-caste people in general, and you automatically assumed I was talking about blacks. THAT IS RACIST. Funny kind of racism too: being a racist against your own race, unconsciously assuming everyone is out to get you.
NB: I am not grasping for terms. I have what is commonly known as a vocabulary. It comes from reading books. Give it a go.
Just note: I didn't put you there, you crawled under it yourself. Now that's funny! But what is really funny is that you are probably young and have not experienced this world outside of your comfort zone and all you have is what someone taught you in a classroom maybe this is why you think you are better than others. Actually it's not funny it's sad. I am making a difference, are you?
This dodge isn't even funny, try harder next time. Maybe even try to address the point I made. Too difficult to disprove?
And no, I won't also fall into the trap of claiming authority. You can go ahead and convince yourself that you are older, wiser, better educated, richer, more caring, and whatever you think is important. You see, in a discussion it is about truth. Truth is universal. If something I say is incorrect according to you, then you should easily be able to prove that it is so. If you cannot, but opt to make yourself look more important by claiming superiority on unrelated fields, then there is no argument. Evidently you only have instincts and conditioning with which to respond, not facts, not logical arguments, nothing.
Well you may call racism a great survival technique. I think examples will better explain this.
I will give one then I have to go. "JIM CROW"
Educate me, as I only know the name.
I have a telcon I will be back.
Oh, wow, you have telcos? You must be a major business man! Suddenly all your points are believed! Again: quite a lame attempt at an appeal to authority.
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This is for Phreak and Weez:
Both of you seem to attack my intelligence, what does this do for you?
Notable attacks on my intellect by
Phreak:
I just point it out because generally failure in this area bothers me, and is often indicative of an untrained and undisciplined mind.
Only whitey can be racist, of course. You don't get the irony of your own statements, do you?
self-proclaimed champions of causes are always so piss-poor at spelling, debating, and essentially any other activity?
This is in response to how I choose to raise and teach my children not to be racist:
Hope they turn out better educated than you, if still misguided.
Well, I cannot take someone seriously who cannot debate, cannot formulate a cogent argument, doesn't bother to use proper spelling and grammar, and is not even ashamed of those problems. So yes, on those points alone I am quantifiably better than you. I suspect there are lots more, but that would be conjecture on my part.
Again all your ramblings and insults will never take away from my original post or what you referred to as a "non-sequitor" which I believe was relevant and you knew what I meant even if it didn't flow correctly. I will refresh your memory Racism is the greatest form of ignorance... racists are cowards!
Weez:
I reckon that the insult on intelligence that I am accusing you of, goes hand in hand with your own lack there of.........oh well.
To both:
It wreaks of low self-esteem here. It appears that in all your getting you are remiss in your view of humanity and why is this? It seems to me that neither of you have experienced the diverse cultures of the world. Your knowledge of self and those around you is limited to what has been fed to you by the media and by someone else's experiences or some flawed or incomplete HIStorical account. You would be better equipped had you incorporated world travel into your education in order to see other cultures, live amongst them, experience their traditions and learn to respect their way of life.
Phreak:
Have you ever spent time with those that you deem to be "pathetic low-life losers" have you ever talked with them or even wondered why they are not where you think they should be?
Your text book wisdom means nothing to me especially when you seem to use it to belittle others in order to lift yourself higher. You seem like you have some sense don't waste it, teach others so that they may help others and so on, PAY IT FOWARD young man!
The institution of racism is a plague and like all plagues it's victims are in dire need of treatment. The fact that some one would say Hating pathetic low-life losers is healthy
is indicative of a selfish life, lacking diverse cultural experiences and a blatant disrespect for humanity.
Phreak:
I know your character is better than what you have presented to me? Please tell me that you are capable of serving those less fortunate than yourself. I challenge you to (if you are not already engaged) decrease so someone else may increase can you handle that?
What is the greater good, to uplift or tear down? Racism tears down it is not healthy!
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Sir, my middle name is diversity, and furthermore if you choose to conduct youself in your business life as you do on this board, with your irrevernt lies and your gun toting-take the safety of my Glock-attitude, you will fail miserably. Do you argue like this at home? If so, I feel sorry for your boyfriend.....
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Sir, my middle name is diversity, and furthermore if choose to conduct youself in your business life as you do on this board, with your irrevernt lies and your gun toting-take the safety of my Glock-attitude, you will fail miserably. Do you argue like this at home? If so, I feel sorry for your boyfriend.....
Please do better than this.
No lies here Mr. Diversity and I am well respected in the GOVT, military and by my colleagues in the civilian sector; mainly because I listen to and I respect their input even if I disagree I do not resort to insults.
What have i said to offend you sir?
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Please do better than this.
No lies here Mr. Diversity and I am well respected in the GOVT, military and by my colleagues in the civilian sector; mainly because I listen to and I respect their input even if I disagree I do not resort to insults.
What have i said to offend you sir?
I am not offended. Sir, if you are inferring that by me insinuating that you may be homosexual is a bad thing, may I recommend further diversity training, and perhaps living with these noble people, and understanding their culture. It could benefit you, and give you the blessed oppurtunity to broaden your out look on the world. Please don't consider anything that I write to be an insult. It is not. I call it the way I see it, and you just come off as being insecure, and a bit feminine, that's all.
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Quote HM:
Well you may call racism a great survival technique. I think examples will better explain this.
I will give one then I have to go. "JIM CROW"
Quote Phreak: Educate me, as I only know the name.
FYI,
Jim Crow was the name of the racial caste system which operated primarily, but not exclusively in southern and Border States, between 1877 and the mid-1960s. Jim Crow was more than a series of rigid anti-Black laws. It was a way of life. Under Jim Crow, African Americans were relegated to the status of second class citizens. Jim Crow represented the legitimization of anti-Black racism.
Many Christian ministers and theologians taught that Whites were the Chosen people, Blacks were cursed to be servants, and God supported racial segregation. Fear
Blacks were thought of as innately intellectually and culturally inferior to Whites. Fear
Pro-segregation politicians gave eloquent speeches on the great danger of integration: the mongrelization of the White race. Newspaper and magazine writers routinely referred to Blacks as blacks, coons, and darkies; and worse, their articles reinforced anti-Black stereotypes. Sound familiar? Similiar to the internet, you know folk hiding behind their keyboard
Jim Crow was undergirded by the following beliefs or rationalizations: Still being taught today!
1. Whites were superior to Blacks in all important ways, including but not limited to intelligence, morality, and civilized behavior.
2. Sexual relations between Blacks and Whites would produce a mongrel race which would destroy America
3. Treating Blacks as equals would encourage interracial sexual unions.
4. Any activity which suggested social equality encouraged interracial sexual relations
5. It was taught that violence must be used to keep Blacks at the bottom of the racial hierarchy.
Here are some of the typical Jim Crow laws:
1. Barbers. No colored barber shall serve as a barber (to) white girls or women (Georgia).
2. Burial. The officer in charge shall not bury, or allow to be buried, any colored persons upon ground set apart or used for the burial of white persons (Georgia).
3. Buses. All passenger stations in this state operated by any motor transportation company shall have separate waiting rooms or space and separate ticket windows for the white and colored races (Alabama).
4. Child Custody. It shall be unlawful for any parent, relative, or other white person in this State, having the control or custody of any white child, by right of guardianship, natural or acquired, or otherwise, to dispose of, give or surrender such white child permanently into the custody, control, maintenance, or support, of a negro (South Carolina).
5. Nurses. No person or corporation shall require any White female nurse to nurse in wards or rooms in hospitals, either public or private, in which negro men are placed (Alabama). Kinda familiar in today's society
6. Teaching. Any instructor who shall teach in any school, college or institution where members of the white and colored race are received and enrolled as pupils for instruction shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction thereof, shall be fined... (Oklahoma).
Seems like cowardly tactics to me brother, what say you?
And this was not all of the Laws of Jim Crow.
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Lots of punk ass meltdowns and calling each other "sir" to show online respect going on around here today. >:(
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I am not offended. Sir, if you are inferring that by me insinuating that you may be homosexual is a bad thing, may I recommend further diversity training, and perhaps living with these noble people, and understanding their culture. It could benefit you, and give you the blessed oppurtunity to broaden your out look on the world. Please don't consider anything that I write to be an insult. It is not. I call it the way I see it, and you just come off as being insecure, and a bit feminine, that's all.
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OKay that's it calling me insecure dems fight'n words mr. weez put up yer dukes!
Seriously, why would I be offended by what you or anyone insinuates; that would be my business correct? As far as you thinking I am insecure well everyone has an opinion and I can respect that. It's funny though, feminine or effeminate is one thing I have never been called so this is a first. You should get a prize for being the first person ever to question my sexuality LMAO 2x!
Questions for you:
What people are you racist against if any?
Would you like to see ethnic groups different than yours leave the country you are now citizen of?
Who should not be allowed to vote?
Are you in favor of segregation?
Are you in favor of separate but equal?
How do you feel about interracial relationships?
Would you marry someone you considered to be of a different ethnicity?
Everyone join in!
Who knows how to do that poll thingy?
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Lots of punk ass meltdowns and calling each other "sir" to show online respect going on around here today. >:(
Hush and ask your questions you had for me man!
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Hush and ask your questions you had for me man!
Isn't your wife white?
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Hush and ask your questions you had for me man!
Hustleman, Phreak is Dutch, he's talking about the muslim issue, problems, more than likely. Read it again with that perspective. Wrong or right.
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Isn't your wife white?
Soon to be this summer and yes she is why?
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Hustleman, Phreak is Dutch, he's talking about the muslim issue, problems, more than likely. Read it again with that perspective. Wrong or right.
I kinda have a little bit of respect for the guy.
What's this Muslim issue you are referring too?
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Soon to be this summer and yes she is why?
Do you not notice the looks when you are out together in public?
And you never answered, what state you live in?
The reason I ask about your soon to be wife, is what about the kids? How do you think they will be treated by other kids growing up?
Finally are you lighter or darker? Just curious, but usually lighter black have more "white" features, smaller lips, nose, etc, darker ones have bigger lips, wider nose, and more pronounced cheek bones. So if you are lighter, your kids may be able to blend in, if not they may have trouble fitting in.
If you two have kids together. ;)
Questions for you:
What people are you racist against if any? Most people who are darker than me.Would you like to see ethnic groups different than yours leave the country you are now citizen of? Yes, of course, the people that have come here illegally, regardless of race.
Who should not be allowed to vote? Illegal aliens, permanent residents, and women. ;D
Are you in favor of segregation? Yes, my personal opinion. I know it's not practical or politically correct.
Are you in favor of separate but equal? Sure, but I'm not in favor of special handouts, like certain orginizations that work to further one group of minorities over every other group of people.
How do you feel about interracial relationships? Disagree with them, sex is one thing, but when you start breeding kids interracially, it sets the kids up for a rough life of not knowing where they stand in society, school etc.
Would you marry someone you considered to be of a different ethnicity? Probably not, I don't look at someone outside of my race as a woman I would be interested in making a future with(for the record I am married), like I said, sex is one thing, if you want to bang around with chicks that's fine, whatever, but cover your bumper before you humper. Also for the record, I have never been with a black woman, don't ask why, I wouldn't want to offend you.
OK, I asked some ?'s and answered some ?'s............
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Do you not notice the looks when you are out together in public?
Sometimes yes but it depends on where we are. If we are out in Annapolis, Wash DC, Baltimore or Philly no problems but in the more rural areas the longer the stares. We have only experienced blatant disdain for our relationship from her family and folk in the mountains of WVA.
And you never answered, what state you live in? Maryland, sorry thought I answered that.
The reason I ask about your soon to be wife, is what about the kids? How do you think they will be treated by other kids growing up?
My kids are from my previous marriage they are well adjusted in their environment (predominately caucasian) but I must say this, they are not comfortable around black kids (Ironic I know) that were not raise in the same environment. There is this degree of separation when it comes to communication but no color issues, I am still trying to figure out if I need to or how to deal with my four "African American" kids not being able to relate to other "African American" kids that they encounter.
Finally are you lighter or darker? Just curious, but usually lighter black have more "white" features, smaller lips, nose, etc, darker ones have bigger lips, wider nose, and more pronounced cheek bones. So if you are lighter, your kids may be able to blend in, if not they may have trouble fitting in.
I am medium brown skinned but if you want a confirmation ask Laura Lee or Stella they know what I look like. I can send you a picture of me, can I trust you with my Identity?
You could never offend me with your answer, I have seen it all besides I can respect truth in feelings or preference? I will say this, until the age of 20 I did not find any other ethnic group of women attractive, I loved Women of color (Afro-Am women, Arab, Indian) and for a long time I thought they were the most beautiful women in the world because that was what I was my limitation. But when I had the chance to see the world ( All of Europe, Most of Asia (SW, NE and SE) Austrialia, SoAmerica, the Pacific Islands, the Carribean I realized I was wrong in excluding races from my life and I realized that I was short changing myself by only seeing beauty in one race or ethnicity. My "soon to be wife" is the perfect match for me in every way and we compliment each other so well emotionally and spiritually it is surreal, go figure! She was raised totally different than I. I came from a broken home in a ghetto Detroit, Mi. My Mom and dad had several kids by different partners (4 for Dad and 4 for Mom and I was the master link, meaning I was the last kid and only kid they had together.) (we were the freakin Black Brady Bunch) they divorced when I was 10 yrs old. My S.O. came from an upper middle class family from Annapolis, Md. Daddy is a professional man (Orthopedic Surgeon) Coincidentally this I how we met and on the surface they seemed to be living the american dream but I later learned that daddy was doing things he should not have been doing. Of course this later ripped the family apart. Anyway
Why do they need to blend in?
Why do they need to fit in and fit in to what?
If you two have kids together. ;)
Sorry to say we won't have any kids together we are both fixed and are past the having babies phase.
Questions for you:
What people are you racist against if any? Most people who are darker than me.Would you like to see ethnic groups different than yours leave the country you are now citizen of? Yes, of course, the people that have come here illegally, regardless of race.
Who should not be allowed to vote? Illegal aliens, permanent residents, and women. ;D
Are you in favor of segregation? Yes, my personal opinion. I know it's not practical or politically correct.
Are you in favor of separate but equal? Sure, but I'm not in favor of special handouts, like certain orginizations that work to further one group of minorities over every other group of people.
How do you feel about interracial relationships? Disagree with them, sex is one thing, but when you start breeding kids interracially, it sets the kids up for a rough life of not knowing where they stand in society, school etc.
Would you marry someone you considered to be of a different ethnicity? Probably not, I don't look at someone outside of my race as a woman I would be interested in making a future with(for the record I am married), like I said, sex is one thing, if you want to bang around with chicks that's fine, whatever, but cover your bumper before you humper. Also for the record, I have never been with a black woman, don't ask why, I wouldn't want to offend you.
You shouls shed some light here I am curious
OK, I asked some ?'s and answered some ?'s............
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Dang, lots of colors Hustleman.... ;D
OK, about your kids blending in, what I meant was in society in general, like you pointed out they are not comfotable around blacks that weren't raised the same as them. I am guessing that means, "street" blacks? So am I to assume that your kids are prejudice towards "street, or lower class" people?
As far as why I've never been with a black chick, honestly, I have never found one that was attractive, in the face. Met many with killer bodies, but a black chicks face is a turn off. You asked......
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This topic is one that will never end......... And this goes for all sides involved. The idea of racism is fucking retarded. I personally have respect for an individual based on the person regardless of color. BET, Jet magazine is some reverse racism bullshit. I think Jesse jackson, and Al Sharpton do nothing positive for black folks and only instigate with everyone else.
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To dislike a group of people just because they have a different skin color would be a foolish and ignorant thing to do. But to be a little wary of an ethnic group that has a very large majority of it's population committing violent crimes, trashing neighborhoods, fathering untold children out of wedlock, rejecting education because it's "acting white", destroying the English language, etc.. is sort of understandable. Having said that, I have several friends that are black but they definitely don't fit into that stereotype and I know many other blacks don't as well. Unfortunately, when white people read the paper or watch the news, they keep seeing these "Gangsta thugs" every day, doing horrible crimes. I don't consider myself a racist, but I can understand why a lot of people form their opinions of race.
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Ah, this topic is still here. Much of racism, direct or indirect, is a result of fear. Before the days of globalisation and political correctness that pervades this day and age, that fear was able to successfully be countered with discriminatory laws right on the books such as Jim Crow, slavery, immigration law centered on ethnic origin, and other outright discriminatory and prejudiced mechanisms. The European and European-derived nations of the world greatly feared their loss of population representation and voting strength within their own home nations....a fear that was for much of history a fairy tale(or nightmare) but is becoming ever stronger today.
It is today impossible to cut or restrict that fear by using those old methods. A politician or entity that attempts to enact some sort of law that evokes past discriminatory measures is quickly ostracized and shoved out of the public light. We have today is appeasement in all forms to cater to just about every single racial or cultural group that by existence alone is legitimized within the Western nations they are brought about in. Groups such as the NAACP, the Urban League, Sharpton's National Action Network, Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, La Raza, MECHA, GLAAD, and other cultural and racial groups are quoted and shown everyday across primarily US media in all forms. Instead of making racist laws, we now attempt to gently assimilate and "brainwash" the populace of the principles of equality, multiculturalism, and diversity.
To Hustle Man, I will underline what those who argue against you are saying. Fear. Fear of a non-white in a position of great power within the US or Europe. A position that is believed that could potentially bring about a legitimization of reprisal against the former colonial powers of which so much hatred and vengeance is directed towards. Many believe that that anger and frustration from the growing minority populations will be turned directly towards the minority-majority populace of that nation.
Here are some world events and happenings that help lead primarily Europeans and Americans of European descent to fear of being dis-empowered and disenfranchised within their own nations:
- The treatment and killing of whites(Afrikaners) in Post-Apartheid South Africa.
- The burgeoning Muslim populations of Europe in regards to Terrorist activity and dangers to Free Speech.
- The Black on White crime rate within the US(often referred to as the "Dirty War")
- Some less than stellar leadership exhibited by elites of the black community within the US(Detroit, Philadelphia, Farrakhan, Malcolm X, and now Reverend Wright) that have openly been hostile towards those outside of their community.
- The Mexican invasion of the US, bringing millions in who have no desire to assimilate within the US.
- Affirmative Action, quotas, set asides, welfare, and other programs that have taken and denied jobs to more deserving people and given to someone else.
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Dang, lots of colors Hustleman.... ;D
OK, about your kids blending in, what I meant was in society in general, like you pointed out they are not comfotable around blacks that weren't raised the same as them. I am guessing that means, "street" blacks? So am I to assume that your kids are prejudice towards "street, or lower class" people?
As far as why I've never been with a black chick, honestly, I have never found one that was attractive, in the face. Met many with killer bodies, but a black chicks face is a turn off. You asked......
OK, about your kids blending in, what I meant was in society in general, like you pointed out they are not comfotable around blacks that weren't raised the same as them. (My kids are homeschooled)
I am guessing that means, "street" blacks? (No, non-homeschooled) So am I to assume that your kids are prejudice towards "street, or lower class" people? No not at all, they are taught to respect all and judge content of character.
As far as why I've never been with a black chick, honestly, I have never found one that was attractive, in the face. Met many with killer bodies, but a black chicks face is a turn off. You asked......
To each his own I can respect preference!
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OK, about your kids blending in, what I meant was in society in general, like you pointed out they are not comfotable around blacks that weren't raised the same as them.
I am guessing that means, "street" blacks? (No, non-homeschooled) So am I to assume that your kids are prejudice towards "street, or lower class" people?
As far as why I've never been with a black chick, honestly, I have never found one that was attractive, in the face. Met many with killer bodies, but a black chicks face is a turn off. You asked......
You fucked up the quote function, CalvinH is going to be pissed!
Why do you choose to homeschool your kids? Don't you feel like that is robbing them of a social experience? I can't imagine the gang/drug problems could be that bad in f'ing Maryland....nobody lives there!!! ;D
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You fucked up the quote function, CalvinH is going to be pissed!
Why do you choose to homeschool your kids? Don't you feel like that is robbing them of a social experience? I can't imagine the gang/drug problems could be that bad in f'ing Maryland....nobody lives there!!! ;D
Sorry!
Q) Why do you choose to homeschool your kids?
A) Family preference.
Q) Don't you feel like that is robbing them of a social experience?
A) No, on the contrary they get plenty of constructive socialization being schooled at home. In fact their social experiences tend to be more positively influenced; they have the opportunity to spend time with children and adults of various ages, rather than thirty or more same-age peers.
"gang/drug problems" are everywhere man but that was not our reason.
My kids are very well rounded but homeschooling has many advantages.
Because of the variety of curriculum choices available to home schoolers, we have several options when it comes to the material used for instruction. Not only are we given the freedom to teach core subjects from a biblical perspective, but we can also incorporate our child's interests into the curriculum. Skills such as woodworking, cooking, managing money, and shopping for healthy food on a budget can be learned through real-life interactions and projects. My kids can move at their own pace and still have time left over in the day to explore other interests
The advantages of home schooling are both personal and practical for my family.
1) We can freely practice our religious/philosophical convictions
2) No peer pressure
3) Better academics (For some courses we take advantage of Co-ops, e.g. Art classes, various foreign languages etc.)
4) More time together as a family which has lead to stronger family ties.
5) Individualized teaching and personal attention. (My ex and my Fiancee teach them together)
6) More effective use of school and personal time.
7) Our umbrella group is of one mind, we all have the same goals for our children.
8*) I am the principle my ex & fiancee are the teachers. Who better to teach than my kids than their Mom/s
The disadvantages are mere obstacles but we over come.
1) In Maryland Home schoolers cannot participate in public school sports (So they have to use parks and recs programs)
2) I have to pay taxes for the schools in my community in addition to the curriculum to school them at home (It's the price I pay for a better education for my kids).
Its not for everyone but it works great for my family situation.
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Effeminate, insecure and a control freak....boy that fiance's got herself a real catch...
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Effeminate, insecure and a control freak....boy that fiance's got herself a real catch...
Really do you have anything constructive to say?
I will give you a chance to redeem yourself as being a decent respectable person, please point out in my post how I am (Effeminate, insecure and a control freak) to you?
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Sorry!
Q) Why do you choose to homeschool your kids?
A) Family preference.
Q) Don't you feel like that is robbing them of a social experience?
A) No, on the contrary they get plenty of constructive socialization being schooled at home. In fact their social experiences tend to be more positively influenced; they have the opportunity to spend time with children and adults of various ages, rather than thirty or more same-age peers.
"gang/drug problems" are everywhere man but that was not our reason.
My kids are very well rounded but homeschooling has many advantages.
Because of the variety of curriculum choices available to home schoolers, we have several options when it comes to the material used for instruction. Not only are we given the freedom to teach core subjects from a biblical perspective, but we can also incorporate our child's interests into the curriculum. Skills such as woodworking, cooking, managing money, and shopping for healthy food on a budget can be learned through real-life interactions and projects. My kids can move at their own pace and still have time left over in the day to explore other interests
The advantages of home schooling are both personal and practical for my family.
1) We can freely practice our religious/philosophical convictions
2) No peer pressure
3) Better academics (For some courses we take advantage of Co-ops, e.g. Art classes, various foreign languages etc.)
4) More time together as a family which has lead to stronger family ties.
5) Individualized teaching and personal attention. (My ex and my Fiancee teach them together)
6) More effective use of school and personal time.
7) Our umbrella group is of one mind, we all have the same goals for our children.
8*) I am the principle my ex & fiancee are the teachers. Who better to teach than my kids than their Mom/s
The disadvantages are mere obstacles but we over come.
1) In Maryland Home schoolers cannot participate in public school sports (So they have to use parks and recs programs)
2) I have to pay taxes for the schools in my community in addition to the curriculum to school them at home (It's the price I pay for a better education for my kids).
Its not for everyone but it works great for my family situation.
It seems your decision is based heavily on religion....this surely plays a role in your views about other races as well. I don't know where Weez got effeminate and insecure from.....but control freak, I can see.
It seems, to me, you are trying to control what your kids learn,see, experience, believe(religion and non).....you see it as bringing the family closer, I see it as controlling their every move.
But the topic is supposed to be about race issues.....so......
How heavily does religion play a role in your life? And how much does it influence you to see past peoples skin color? Do you think if you weren't religious, you would view people differently?
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Really do you have anything constructive to say?
I will give you a chance to redeem yourself as being a decent respectable person, please point out in my post how I am (Effeminate, insecure and a control freak) to you?
Well, control freak is obvious, so I won't even delve in to that. Effeminacy, and insecurity run hand in hand, and may not be as plain and simple for some to see. The majority of your posts are a rambling "Rube Waddell", in other words, you type so many sentences, and paragraphs, that go on and on and on, when you can make the same point with a few words.This tells me that you are worried or insecure that you won't be able to get your point across, or that you have this phony sense of elitism, in thinking that "the dumber people" won't understand what you mean. Now with me observing that, and also seeing that you are constantly defensive in your writings, plus this chest beating with the '9mm', and "taking off the safety", it all wreaks of false courage, and psuedo-confidence, and it tells me a lot about you. Freud, Jung, even Dr.Joyce Brothers will tell you that this is insecurity, and, sir, insecurity is an emotion more garnered by females. That is originally why I thought that you were homosexual. So.........voila, there you have it. By the way what I originally wrote wasn't intended to be mean, or nonconstructive. I do appreciate you, and the views that you bring to this board, however, I find most of them laughable, and of course disagreeable. We're still friends, and fellow Americans, even though your children will never experience me, because of YOU.
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I thought you would have had more to say, point taken! Be-gone peasant!
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Peasant - n. a usually uneducated person of low social status. So are you prejudice against those whom are poor or have no money?
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Peasant - n. a usually uneducated person of low social status. So are you prejudice against those whom are poor or have no money?
Kind of inferred that earlier when he said his kids didn't like hanging out with other black kids.....
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OMG fellas can't a guy joke around?
You are trippin because I said "be gone peasant", I don't even know weez c'mon don't be so petty!
I am not a control freak, thats almost as bad as calling me a racists but again you don't really know ME!
Chaos you twist everything I write why? I explained my situation to you why distort.
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Peasant - n. a usually uneducated person of low social status. So are you prejudice against those whom are poor or have no money?
Hey I know a guy who is actually named "Knowledge" cool name but much is expected with a name like that. Oh BTW thanks for the definition it helped!
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It seems your decision is based heavily on religion....this surely plays a role in your views about other races as well. I don't know where Weez got effeminate and insecure from.....but control freak, I can see.
It seems, to me, you are trying to control what your kids learn,see, experience, believe(religion and non).....you see it as bringing the family closer, I see it as controlling their every move.
But the topic is supposed to be about race issues.....so......
How heavily does religion play a role in your life? And how much does it influence you to see past peoples skin color? Do you think if you weren't religious, you would view people differently?
It seems your decision is based heavily on religion
Yes!
It seems, to me, you are trying to control what your kids learn,see, experience, believe(religion and non).....
Yes! It is ever father's job to oversee the rearing of his children.
You fault me now but you will thank me later. You will never see my kids on "youtube" doing stupid sh#t! My kids have been raised to respect self, respect authority, value education, serve and contribute to the community, and help those in need.
My teens are still pure sexually and well respected young adults in our community.
Do you even have children? If so, do you let them run wild to figure life out on their own. Do they act up in public (disruptive and selfish) disrespecting others space?
If you disagree with my methods and how I fine, because I am not responsible for your offspring you are. Please criticize me for my post not how I raise my children.
I believe this to be true:
Racism is the greatest form of ignorance!
Racists are cowards!
HMIC
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I thought you would have had more to say, point taken! Be-gone peasant!
At least you took your owning like a man. ;)
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At least you took your owning like a man. ;)
Owning?
I didn't see it that way at all. I simply pointed out that I was not trying to degrade you especially when I don't even know you like that. But on the real I would never do that hence the reason I said I was joking.
My stance; Racism is the greatest form of ignorance! (indisputable)
Racists are cowards!
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Yes!
Yes! It is ever father's job to oversee the rearing of his children.
You fault me now but you will thank me later. You will never see my kids on "youtube" doing stupid sh#t! My kids have been raised to respect self, respect authority, value education, serve and contribute to the community, and help those in need.
My teens are still pure sexually and well respected young adults in our community.
Do you even have children? If so, do you let them run wild to figure life out on their own. Do they act up in public (disruptive and selfish) disrespecting others space?
If you disagree with my methods and how I fine, because I am not responsible for your offspring you are. Please criticize me for my post not how I raise my children.
I believe this to be true:
Racism is the greatest form of ignorance!
Racists are cowards!
HMIC
Where have I twisted your words Hustleman? Don't get mad, we're having a civil discussion here.
I have my own kid, he follows the rules I lay out, stays out of trouble because there are consequences, and I didn't have to lock him in the house.
I'm not criticizing you for how you raise your kids, like you said they are yours not mine. I think it's great they are growing up to be respectable members of the community.
I don't agree with the ideas you are using but the end result is all that matters.
Now, something I have seen you post several times, "Racists are cowards", care to elaborate?
If you have, quote the post, many of then I did not read when the discussion was going between you and the others.
Do me a favor, don't give me the "racists are cowards" because they are afraid to accept someone/something that is different to them, that means they are afraid, bullshit.
Give me a real reason, I could say anyone that doesn't like broccoli because it is green is a coward because they don't accept green things. ::)
It's the same, but different... ;D
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Where have I twisted your words Hustleman? Don't get mad, we're having a civil discussion here.
I have my own kid, he follows the rules I lay out, stays out of trouble because there are consequences, and I didn't have to lock him in the house.
I'm not criticizing you for how you raise your kids, like you said they are yours not mine. I think it's great they are growing up to be respectable members of the community.
I don't agree with the ideas you are using but the end result is all that matters.
Now, something I have seen you post several times, "Racists are cowards", care to elaborate?
If you have, quote the post, many of then I did not read when the discussion was going between you and the others.
Do me a favor, don't give me the "racists are cowards" because they are afraid to accept someone/something that is different to them, that means they are afraid, bullshit.
Give me a real reason, I could say anyone that doesn't like broccoli because it is green is a coward because they don't accept green things. ::)
It's the same, but different... ;D
"Racists are cowards", care to elaborate?
I inserted some of the laws of "Jim Crow" I thought that was enough.
How are racists courageous, this is my question to you and anyone else who thinks racists are not cowards?
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I inserted some of the laws of "Jim Crow" I thought that was enough.
How are racists courageous, this is my question to you and anyone else who thinks racists are not cowards?
One could argue racists are courageous for standing up for their beliefs, even though the majority of society deems them unacceptable. It could also be said they are courageous for walking down the street in a march while the streets are lined with "minorities" that hate them for their beliefs.
BTW, hating someone for their beliefs is wrong isn't it?
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One could argue racists are courageous for standing up for their beliefs, even though the majority of society deems them unacceptable. It could also be said they are courageous for walking down the street in a march while the streets are lined with "minorities" that hate them for their beliefs.
BTW, hating someone for their beliefs is wrong isn't it?
Dude???
Are you serious about racists are courageous for standing up for their beliefs, even though the majority of society deems them unacceptable.
? Let's not forget the hoods they wear when they are doing this?
This is courage my friend and void of anonymity; the marches on Selma, Ala. which lead to the signing of the Voting Rights Act of 1965; that was courage! Not one protestant wore a hood.
BTW, hating someone for their beliefs is wrong isn't it?
Hating is always wrong but when a group's racist beliefs leads to disenfranchisement and/or inequality of a group of people; then I think constitutionally we should all stand together and put a stop to any attempt promoting racial inequality in this country.
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Dude???
Are you serious about ? Let's not forget the hoods they wear when they are doing this?
This is courage my friend and void of anonymity; the marches on Selma, Ala. which lead to the signing of the Voting Rights Act of 1965; that was courage! Not one protestant wore a hood.
Hating is always wrong but when a group's racist beliefs leads to disenfranchisement and/or inequality of a group of people; then I think constitutionally we should all stand together and put a stop to any attempt promoting racial inequality in this country.
Racists don't always wear hoods. In fact, most don't.
You're claim is that racists are cowards.
I asked why you say that.
You pointed to Jim Crow Laws, that don't apply to todays society. Tell me why you believe racists are cowards.
Like I said, an argument could be made, they are courageous for standing up for their beliefs, going against society and knowing they will be publicly shunned. Most WP groups do not wear hoods or hide their identities, only the Klan does that.
Sure the people in Selma, Ala. were courageous, but they were also angry and were reacting to what they thought was wrong in order to change it, much like the WP groups are doing today.
Whether or not you agree with the comparison, deep down inside, you know what I mean.
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You win!
One last thing, no one argued that racism is ignorance or that racist are ignorant but call racism cowardice and the thread catches on fire! Hmmmm!
Seems I am the minority everwhere I go!
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No time to read the full thread just yet, but I'm shocked (which I'm sure was their intent) that the script has one of them saying that Blacks have a 'killer instinct'. The context doesn't matter - that was a foolish, self-maligning, and grossly inaccurate comment.
More later...
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hustleman.
to answer your question, I would say I'm borderline racist.
Your racism is borne of ignorance, not necessarily because you're a bad person.
Then, there is the MAJORITY of black people, who are complete N-I-G-G-E-R-S.
This sounds like an argument from someone who 'learns' from TV.
The reality is that the MAJORITY of Blacks are honest, hard-working taxpayers, but we're not the ones you have thrown at you on television all the time.
I can honestly say, if there were ZERO black people in the united states, the country would be better.
You are incorrect...honestly.
One thing that many Whites like yourself either don't know or cannot comprehend is that most of the United States was built on the backs of unpaid slaves and underpaid immigrants. We're all enjoying many of the fruits of that cheap labor source, but suffice it to say, the U.S. would not be where it is today - in terms of commercial success and opportunity - if not for those Blacks who provided the manpower necessary to fuel the machine.
87% of government welfare programs (food stamps, housing, etc) is obtained by blacks.
79% of all violent crime in america is committed by blacks.
Please cite your source. I cannot imagine any legitimate author or researcher being ignorant enough to publish such ridiculous claims.
Every single city in the united states that is majority black is ranked amongst the ABSOLUTE worst in property value, foreclosures, crime, murder, etc.
Go to southeast dc, compton, vegas, etc. All places predominately black, and look at what shitholes they have turned into.
Stockton, CA is America's 'foreclosure capital'...that's a city where the White majority outnumbers Blacks approximately 5-to-1.
Now, let me ask you a few serious questions:
What have black people ever contributed to society?
That's your idea of a 'serious question'?
Have you ever seen a stoplight? Have you ever heard of peanut butter?
Why do blacks get a black entertainment television, black history month, etc?
Dont say the typical answer of "because every other channel is white, or... every other month is white"
Thats complete bullshit.
Well, what are they?
BTW, Black Entertainment Television is owned by Viacom, Inc. I honestly don't know enough about the programming to say whether you're missing anything or not by viewing, though.
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hustleman.
to answer your question, I would say I'm borderline racist.
I don't know if I would go that far and say you are a racist or even borderline. Maybe you are racially frustrated.
Let me explain:
First, I have black friends, black associates, and black acquantances, all of whom I respect
and generally like.
Good for you!
Then, there is the MAJORITY of black people, who are complete N-I-G-G-E-R-S.
I think this hat could be worn by anyone who does not pull their own weight or whom has become a burden on society.
I can honestly say, if there were ZERO black people in the united states, the country would be better.
Even your so called friends?
87% of government welfare programs (food stamps, housing, etc) is obtained by blacks.
Not true-Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:
Race
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White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4
79% of all violent crime in america is committed by blacks.
Untrue
Black 52.2%
White 45.8%
Other 2.0 %
Every single city in the united states that is majority black is ranked amongst the ABSOLUTE worst in property value, foreclosures, crime, murder, etc.
Go to southeast dc, compton, vegas, etc. All places predominately black, and look at what shitholes they have turned into.
I think you may have over simplified but I might agree with you in some areas. But I don't think it's because they are black. You have to look at the history of the city and see what changed. You must also take unto account if businesses depart so do jobs.
This certainly doesn't apply to some blacks, but unfortunately, until the 99% of black people change the way they act, the 1% who are great people get shit on.
Now, let me ask you a few serious questions:
What have black people ever contributed to society?
You should try to find out what every group has contributed and how some have been uncredited for their contributions. Please don't tell me you think this country was built only on the contributions of white America?
Why do blacks get a black entertainment television, black history month, etc?
I have no idea, I was not invited to that board meeting. As far as the month goes IMHO it just causes more problems. But I will say this, the public schools should teach an all inclusive history but we all know that the majority doesn't care about what minorities have done that's why most of the kids coming out of today's schools don't know anything about notable non-caucasian contributors to society hence the reason you would even ask the question above about blacks contributing to American society.
Dont say the typical answer of "because every other channel is white, or... every other month is white"
Thats complete bullshit.
As white people, we have to have blacks in everything we do, every fucking ad we put out, so that some whistleblowing #### doesn't try to sue the corporation.
Wow maybe you are racists, you should chill guy I didn't realize you had so much hatred in your heart I thought maybe you were frustrated with the in equality in this country and how it affects everyone! Damn you really would prefer a white only America? And who is we I think the white people that run those ads hired those so called blacks to be in them in the first place. Maybe you should get angry with them not me or every so called black person in America.
I don't want to upset you any further.
All that hate in your heart is gonna kill you man.
I have never understood how one person could hate like this if there were ZERO black people in the united states, the country would be better.
Caucasian people do no wrong in your eyes it seems. Well, sure hope the natives americans don't feel the same way about you.
A few questions for you since you like to blame groups:
Who introduced the following vices into American society?
Illegal Drugs
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food
Who caused the following societal woes?
The Great Depression
Taxation
Racism
Poverty
Welfare
Investment Fraud
Loss of jobs over seas
Inflated gas prices
Every great war (and I have fought in several)
I think once you find out who is culpable you might just re-think who you think brings this country down and how you group folks together just because of the skin they are in.
Didn't have time to proof read gotta go!
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Illegal Drugs
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food
I would say, without a doubt, black people are the biggest participants in all of the above.
Alcohol? Check.
Tobacco? CHECK (esp newports)
Prostitution? Check, all black
Pornography? nothing is wrong with porn
Fast Food? Only black people eat.
Your welfare, crime in prison numbers are way off.
I sense that you're more interested in expressing bitterness than in learning facts or facing reality.
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You win!
One last thing, no one argued that racism is ignorance or that racist are ignorant but call racism cowardice and the thread catches on fire! Hmmmm!
Seems I am the minority everwhere I go!
It's not about winning or losing Hustle......it's about conversation.
Seems we have a new participant.....'Tre'....... :D
As Tre asked Crushing......HustleMan, can you site the sources for your statistics?
MattC posted some links awhile back to either the CIA or FBI data bases that distinctly showed that blacks commited more violent crimes......I didn't save the links.
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Illegal Drugs
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food
I would say, without a doubt, black people are the biggest participants in all of the above.
Alcohol? Check.
Tobacco? CHECK (esp newports)
Prostitution? Check, all black
Pornography? nothing is wrong with porn
Fast Food? Only black people eat.
Your welfare, crime in prison numbers are way off.
It is apparent you are uninformed and have been deceived by your emotions; which you should never trust because they are notoriously unreliable!
I see the problem, you have been misled and to the point that you are hurting inside!
You must feel powerless and betrayed by your leadership.
They lied to you, caused you to live vicariously through their heresies and damnable lies about the other man.
They made you think you are better simply by their evil deeds perpetuated throughout history.
Yours must be a life of bitterness and despair; mainly because you cannot control those whom you loathe, belittle and would love to cast away into outer darkness, what humiliation you must feel. I pity you!
C’est la vie!
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It's not about winning or losing Hustle......it's about conversation.
Seems we have a new participant.....'Tre'....... :D
As Tre asked Crushing......HustleMan, can you site the sources for your statistics?
MattC posted some links awhile back to either the CIA or FBI data bases that distinctly showed that blacks commited more violent crimes......I didn't save the links.
Yes it was the same site but my contention was that his numbers were wrong.
P.S. I am not in that number and numbers mean nothing especially when blacks are almost always misrepresented in a negative light.
This CushingRW would not even answer my questions correctly. Black people did not bring those vices into the states let's be real.
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Hustle man, are you statistics ratio-corrected?
Welfare:
White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4
Crime:
Black 52.2%
White 45.8%
Other 2.0 %
If not, then it still horrendous that 13% of the population (blacks) take 39% of the welfare and that 13% of the population commit 52% of the crime.
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Hustleman: are you really comparing
Illegal Drugs: black people were the original importers of marijuana, and the creators of crack.
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food
To:
Ruining ENTIRE cities
Taking up nearly all the space at local, state, and federal prisons
Robbing, stabbing, killing, and raping, all at almost twice the level of whites
your ignorant ass comparison of saying white people
Drink
Smoke
Watch porn
and eat fast food
is like me comparing the little things the majority of black people do:
complain if service isn't absolutely perfect at any establishment, sometimes even over amounts as small as cents
majority are loud, dont bother to get an education, or speak proper english
believe that they shouldn't be treated equal, they want to be given special rights
The point is, I was not racist at all in my life, until I got older, and older, and saw how many black people believe that they are
better than white people. Which probably includes you. I'm all about racial EQUALITY, and a "colorblind" society. I am not going
to sit silent when on a daily basis, I see blacks acting as if they deserve preferntial treatment.
As for your argument about "this country was built on the backs of slaves"... Crime was lower then, and the economic situation better. You've just made a great argument. Instead of letting your type live in our country, we shoudl still have you building it. The ONLY thing
black people in american (the majority, not all) prove on a daily basis, is that they never should've been let free.
Look at Richmond, Va, or Washington, DC. Both very prosperous cities, with high income, and VERY VERY low crime. As the years passed, and the black population increased, income went down, and crime SKYROCKETED. Now, there are literally parts of these cities that you could not walk through at night without likely being shot, or have your ass beat. Please explain why whites cause this?
Please find my comments in this thread and quote me on the following:
I never said...
this country was built on the backs of slaves
I never made a comparison about...
...white people
Drink
Smoke
Watch porn
and eat fast food
Again you twisted the QUESTION I asked you, let me restate.
A few questions for you since you like to blame groups:
Who introduced the following vices into American society?
Illegal Drugs
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food
Who caused the following societal woes?
The Great Depression
Taxation
Racism
Poverty
Welfare
Investment Fraud
Loss of jobs over seas
Inflated gas prices
Every great war (and I have fought in several)
Let's see if you can answer this properly this time.
HM's retort: Blacks are not responsible for the introduction of these vices that plague the USA today e.g. (Alcohol, Heroin, cocaine/crack or marijuana) I can't believe you said this lol you are reaching.
You ever heard of chicken's coming home to roost?
I know you would like to blame America's problems on Blacks but who has been in charge of the USA since it's birth?
FYI, I don't think I am better than anyone.
You need to get a refresher and understand the history of this country. You fail to realize that the inequalities (social, ethnic, racial and economic) and inhumanities practiced in early years of this country directly affect what is happening today. If you see someone strong out on crack blame those that introduced the drug. If you see immorality blame those that fought against morality i.e., (Taking God out of the schools or changing parental rights to discipline their children.) etc.
HMIC
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Hustle man, are you statistics ratio-corrected?
Welfare:
White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4
Crime:
Black 52.2%
White 45.8%
Other 2.0 %
If not, then it still horrendous that 13% of the population (blacks) take 39% of the welfare and that 13% of the population commit 52% of the crime.
Nordic, should I be held responsible for the actions of some, should I be judged because of a few? I don't know what you want from me really! What do you want from me?
Should I blame you for what Dalmer, Bundy, McVey, Ted K or Hitler did ? NO! That was their evil not yours why can't people judge individuals? Do you folk forget that I could also be a victim of those crimes commited? I say Judge me for me I will even go as far as saying judge my families actions, hold me responsible for any of my children's wrong doings but don't judge me because a couple of assholes play sniper or slits his ex wife's and lover's throat.
This guy CushingRW wants to get rid of all so called black people, is that right?
How would one determine if someone is one of these so called Blacks or or not?
Tell me I am wrong about what I have said, tell me I should pay for the sins of everyone whom you deem to be in my ethnic group and I will leave GetBig for good!
HMIC
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If not, then it still horrendous that 13% of the population (blacks) take 39% of the welfare and that 13% of the population commit 52% of the crime.
The portions that are lies are in bold text.
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The portions that are lies are in bold text.
What are the correct #'s?
HustleMan.......relax bro, nobody is holding you responsible...........ye t. ;D
Just trying to have a pleasant convo here about a touchy subject.
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HMIC
Hustle Man In Control
Damn you got problems......
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Nordic, should I be held responsible for the actions of some, should I be judged because of a few? I don't know what you want from me really! What do you want from me?
Woah, calm down comrade, I was asking you a question.
Then I made, the statement that it's horrendous if those facts are true. Something needs to be done of course, education and cultural improvements will get rid of 99.9% of these issues.
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Woah, calm down comrade, I was asking you a question.
Then I made, the statement that it's horrendous if those facts are true. Something needs to be done of course, education and cultural improvements will get rid of 99.9% of these issues.
How do you educate people who refuse to study because they believe it's "Acting White?"
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How do you educate people who refuse to study because they believe it's "Acting White?"
No idea :(
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Hustle Man In Control
Damn you got problems......
Correction, HMIC= Hustle Man In Christ
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Woah, calm down comrade, I was asking you a question.
Then I made, the statement that it's horrendous if those facts are true. Something needs to be done of course, education and cultural improvements will get rid of 99.9% of these issues.
I am calm, my retort was aimed at the racial generalizations posted in this thread.
The finger is always pointed (in general at black people) for the woes of this country ::) even something as silly as this;
Ruining ENTIRE cities
Taking up nearly all the space at local, state, and federal prisons
How silly does that sound?
Robbing, stabbing, killing, and raping, all at almost twice the level of whites
Another silly assessment, never considering that the Robbing, stabbing, killing, and raping still exists no matter who commits the crimes.
Someone explain his reasoning here?
He almost sounds as if he is okay with the crimes being commited, he seems to be pissed that some black people are the perps!
I think the focus (on preventing crimes) should be on the individual not a group.
How do you educate people who refuse to study because they believe it's "Acting White?"
You have been hanging out with the wrong people my friend and what does that mean anyway "Acting White" or even acting black, that is very silly?
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You have been hanging out with the wrong people my friend and what does that mean anyway "Acting White" or even acting black, that is very silly?
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Along with numerous media sources, and my ex-wife, a schoolteacher, who is one of the most nonpredjudiced people I know. Black students have been known to say that getting good grades, getting an education, having a non-criminal oriented career is "Acting White." If you've never heard that yourself, then you are out of touch with modern day highschools, which nobody has touched on as far as the learning and graduation disparities. These aren't bigoted remarks and I wish so-called leaders like Al Sharpton would spend their time constructively, lecturing on the importance of education, avoiding crime, etc. instead of trying to crucify some idiot that used the N- word. All Sharpton does is try to find "Victims" instead of finding "Role Models".
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I am calm, my retort was aimed at the racial generalizations posted in this thread.
The finger is always pointed (in general at black people) for the woes of this country ::) even something as silly as this; How silly does that sound? Another silly assessment, never considering that the Robbing, stabbing, killing, and raping still exists no matter who commits the crimes.
Someone explain his reasoning here?
He almost sounds as if he is okay with the crimes being commited, he seems to be pissed that some black people are the perps!
I think the focus (on preventing crimes) should be on the individual not a group.
You have been hanging out with the wrong people my friend and what does that mean anyway "Acting White" or even acting black, that is very silly?
HustleMan, you said earlier in this convo that you traveled alot and got to see the world when you were younger. Did you ever spend some time in the ghetto in LA or any major city? By asking what it means to "act white" shows that you are far disassociated from the problems experienced by blacks. Which is good for you and your family. As I've said, it sounds like you are doing right by your family to teach them right/wrong. But I can see in your posts that you don't understand the "minorities" we are talking about.
It's been real.....
Hey "Tre", do you have an answer about those #'s you said were incorrect? Also, do you know what it means to "act white"?
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Hey "Tre", do you have an answer about those #'s you said were incorrect? Also, do you know what it means to "act white"?
I'll have to track down some more recent data. The only ones I know for certain are the population demographics and foreclosure rates in Stockton. It's a very White city and leads the nation in foreclosures.
Unfortunately, there is validity to TheChemist's statement about Black kids - both urban and suburban - teasing one another about 'acting White' when they did things like study and strive to achieve in school. I saw it 25 years ago when I was in school in a small, Southern town, then 10 years ago when I taught at an all-Black school in Washington, DC. Sure, it was a decade ago, but that was one of the most horrifying, eye-opening experiences of my life. It was if all the negative stereotypes about Blacks had collected in one place and were being thrust in my face daily.
But make no mistake - what I saw in DC is a problem for ALL Americans...not just those with black or brown skin.
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HustleMan, you said earlier in this convo that you traveled alot and got to see the world when you were younger. Did you ever spend some time in the ghetto in LA or any major city? By asking what it means to "act white" shows that you are far disassociated from the problems experienced by blacks. Which is good for you and your family. As I've said, it sounds like you are doing right by your family to teach them right/wrong. But I can see in your posts that you don't understand the "minorities" we are talking about.
It's been real.....
Hey "Tre", do you have an answer about those #'s you said were incorrect? Also, do you know what it means to "act white"?
Chaos,
I grew up in the heart of the city (on the west of Detroit, Mi.) yes I have heard that said before but what I meant was that's silly to say something like that.
Have you taken into consideration (and those that think like you about minorities) that ignorance is a learned handicap it is not race specific?
OK check this out. My parents sent me away to my Grand's farm every summer when I was a kid. You probably know that in the city (Ghetto) the freaks really come out in the summer time and mischief is on full blast. My parents pulled me out of that environment so I guess my point is I learned a different way to live while I was away. I helped farm the land (harvesting corn, picking fruits and vegetables to seel in the open farmers markets) I was not influenced to participate in mischief. Having said that I understood why my friends in the city did some of the things they did ( they pretty much had no guidelines to follow and were not under in type of supervision. I was different because I have rules to obey I had boudaries to stay within.
I went to a private school during the tween and teenage years of my life.
I was exposed to many things kids in my neighborhood never experienced e.g, peace and quiet, intelligent discussions by the open fire, riding horses, tending to the farm etc.
I was reading in the evening before bedtime I had not cableTV or video games I was talk to use my imagination for entertainment.
I can only assume that my friends back in the city were left to the drama of the streets, no guidance and probably wrong role models to look up to.
I don't think I am better than them or anyone else.
I just think I had opportunities to use my brain and my time constructively.
I could say more on this but I think you get the gist.
It's all about how you were trained or how you are not trained.
I was always taught a work ethic, to have a sense of family ( having dinner together every night), obey the rules (not circumvent illegally) etc.
What I am saying is those that you find going against the grain went against the grain because they were not taught properly, not because they are black, white or any other ehtnicity.
I think if everyone (African Americans, Caucasian Americans, Latino/Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans and Native Americans) was given the same educational resources, a sense of self-respect and Identity this country would be in better shape racially anyway.
Take a step back and ask yourself; Why did I not fall into those diverse criminal situations like those that have?
I have 5 brothers and 2 sisters who experienced the same life I was afforded but one has been in and out of jail his entire life! Why is that?
Is it because he is black and the rest of us are not?
Some stats for you
Out of 6 boys and 2 girls this is how we turned out
4 of the 8 went to college
5 of the 8 joined the military ( 1 USMC 2 Navy 1 Army and 1 USCG)
Everyone has atleast some college but we dispersed into society this way:
1 went to the army and an auto factory worker (deceased)
1 is a disabled vietnam vet (Loss a limb during The Tet Off and currently protesting wars in his spare time)
1 is a Chemist (designing insect repellants for humans, pets, lawn and gardens)
1 is a Corporate Lawyer (coca cola & the Georgia Lottery) Also a disabled vet)
1 is a Business owner (Own a chain of Restaurants and Night clubs)
1 is in the Aerospace industry (Disabled Vet)
1 took up a life of crime (currently incarcerated)
1 a home maker and student (2 kids; 1 has already graduated from college the other going to college in the summer)
All that to say it's the individual not the group! This is the make up of an American family; some went straight, some went astray!
HMIC
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HuslteMan, sounds like you are the minority of the minority. ;D
Tre, I know it's a problem for all Americans, not just minorities, but doesn't it seem prevelant within minorities? The whole "acting like a thug" just to be accepted? Don't get me wrong, those little "wigger" bastards piss me off as well.
Hustle, you say it's because they were not taught properly....so how do you stop the cycle? The criminal father and drug addict mother have the 'gangsta' kid and the cycle goes all around........how do we stop it?
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HuslteMan, sounds like you are the minority of the minority. ;D
Tre, I know it's a problem for all Americans, not just minorities, but doesn't it seem prevelant within minorities? The whole "acting like a thug" just to be accepted? Don't get me wrong, those little "wigger" bastards piss me off as well.
Hustle, you say it's because they were not taught properly....so how do you stop the cycle? The criminal father and drug addict mother have the 'gangsta' kid and the cycle goes all around........how do we stop it?
why the change of heart ?
some sort of revelation ?
seems to me not more than 6 months ago I either had to delete or tell you to hold down YOUR rascist remarks on the x board...
can't have it both ways
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why the change of heart ?
some sort of revelation ?
seems to me not more than 6 months ago I either had to delete or tell you to hold down YOUR rascist remarks on the x board...
can't have it both ways
STFU, cracker.
Who says I've changed? I'm trying to have a civil discussion, doesn't mean I'm going to go out and have halfbreed babies. Don't fuck it up. >:(
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HuslteMan, sounds like you are the minority of the minority. ;D
Hustle, you say it's because they were not taught properly....so how do you stop the cycle? The criminal father and drug addict mother have the 'gangsta' kid and the cycle goes all around........how do we stop it?
Not all criminals come from criminals or drug addicts. Case and point my brother; our father was an auto factory worker (Chevrolet Gear and Axle 35 years he worked) mom was an accountant neither ever had problems with the law.
I only see one way to break the cycle but unfortunately America has turned away from this remedy, which is the moral foundation it was built on, Christian values. christianity has been perverted and corrupted in many churches today. The love for money has ruined this society.
As a result men have abdicated their responsibility as leaders and protectors of the families often unwilling to sacrifice for their families.
Men don't respect women or treat them as delicate helpers.
Women have become the objects of lust and temptation.
Our children our not taught to honor mother and father.
They do not respect authority (their elders)
We have cast away the elderly.
Women lead where men should lead.
Roles have been perverted.
Respect for our fellow man/woman is all but gone.
And the list goes on.
The moral decay will not end until we reverse what was mentioned above just my humble opinion.
I am trying to start a new generation with my family. We have made the crooked straight. I will not have my children reach a crossroad in life and not have the tools to make the best decision, that's the least I can do.
Picture this country doing the opposite of what I listed above. What condition do you think we would be in Socially, economically, and educationally?
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Not all criminals come from criminals or drug addicts. Case and point my brother; our father was an auto factory worker (Chevrolet Gear and Axle 35 years he worked) mom was an accountant neither ever had problems with the law.
I only see one way to break the cycle but unfortunately America has turned away from this remedy, which is the moral foundation it was built on, Christian values. christianity has been perverted and corrupted in many churches today. The love for money has ruined this society.
As a result men have abdicated their responsibility as leaders and protectors of the families often unwilling to sacrifice for their families.
Men don't respect women or treat them as delicate helpers.
Women have become the objects of lust and temptation.
Our children our not taught to honor mother and father.
They do not respect authority (their elders)
We have cast away the elderly.
Women lead where men should lead.
Roles have been perverted.
Respect for our fellow man/woman is all but gone.
And the list goes on.
The moral decay will not end until we reverse what was mentioned above just my humble opinion.
I am trying to start a new generation with my family. We have made the crooked straight. I will not have my children reach a crossroad in life and not have the tools to make the best decision, that's the least I can do.
Picture this country doing the opposite of what I listed above. What condition do you think we would be in Socially, economically, and educationally?
Have to admit, you have some good values. Too bad more guys like you aren't lecturing in middle schools on these topics. Maybe you could provide an alternative role model to "The Gangsta Rappers" all these kids idolize. Then again, you'd have to show up with some 'Bling" or they probably won't listen to you. Maybe pull up to the school in a BMW M6 with spinner rims, painted Lime green of course.
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Just to interject, before getting too far down the 'woe is Black America' path...I lost faith in White people when I began to learn just how many of them cheat in college. I don't know whether I'd just been in denial or had just been blissfully unaware all those years, but the lengths many of them went to in order to protect their all-important GPAs was nothing short of appalling. My school(s) didn't have strict honor codes, but I had a few classes that did and that was no deterrent at all. These people - male and female - had no conscience at all.
On the other hand, I didn't see that in the Black student community. For the Blacks in school who intended not to drop out, they knew they had to work harder to succeed, so that's what they did.
I'm obviously painting with a broad brush here, but I attended school in NC and MD and found this in both places.
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Have to admit, you have some good values. Too bad more guys like you aren't lecturing in middle schools on these topics. Maybe you could provide an alternative role model to "The Gangsta Rappers" all these kids idolize. Then again, you'd have to show up with some 'Bling" or they probably won't listen to you. Maybe pull up to the school in a BMW M6 with spinner rims, painted Lime green of course.
I live in a predominately caucasian area and I am the only black home owner on my road unless. The kids in my neighborhood are very much into the hip-hop scene i.e., pants pulled down around the butt crack, rap music booming from their car stereos, bling bling, I try to talk with them some are very attentive some are not I guess it depends on the person and how much they want to assimilate into that genre or lifestyle.
Spinners no lime green and dropped 4" off the ground yes!
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Bump for racism.
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Hustle, its quite simple:
Multiculturalism and diversity are destructive philosophies to any nation that embraces them. It's becoming quite evident, that, and even the Left is beginning to acknowledge this, that you cannot throw a large group of people together of varying races, religions, cultures, and backgrounds and expect harmony. This by itself, directly and indirectly, has caused tens of millions of deaths.
In the US, on a large scale, that whites, blacks, and hispanics(the 3 dominating groups) cannot and will not get along. Each group proclaims itself as a victim to the other two, and none admit to being an oppressor.
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Hustle, its quite simple:
Multiculturalism and diversity are destructive philosophies to any nation that embraces them. It's becoming quite evident, that, and even the Left is beginning to acknowledge this, that you cannot throw a large group of people together of varying races, religions, cultures, and backgrounds and expect harmony. This by itself, directly and indirectly, has caused tens of millions of deaths.
In the US, on a large scale, that whites, blacks, and hispanics(the 3 dominating groups) cannot and will not get along. Each group proclaims itself as a victim to the other two, and none admit to being an oppressor.
Nah. You should spend some time in the most diverse state in the country sometime. Many different races, religions, cultures, backgrounds, intermarriage all over the place . . . and there is harmony (for the most part).
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Nah. You should spend some time in the most diverse state in the country sometime. Many different races, religions, cultures, backgrounds, intermarriage all over the place . . . and there is harmony (for the most part).
Hawaii is a very specific and unique place.
JBGRAY's formula pretty much does apply to 99% of the countries on this planet: mainland US, UK, EU, Australia.
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Hawaii is a very specific and unique place.
JBGRAY's formula pretty much does apply to 99% of the countries on this planet: mainland US, UK, EU, Australia.
So how about a place like Brazil? Most of the big cities in California? Atlanta? There are many others. To say diversity is destructive is simply not accurate.
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So how about a place like Brazil? Most of the big cities in California? Atlanta? There are many others. To say diversity is destructive is simply not accurate.
Diversity isn't destructive, the multicultural dream is what's dangerous. Human nature dictates that large numbers of immigrants with clashing cultures and religions cannot co-exist.
What multiculturalism sells is that for instance British culture trumps that of immigrants. If they were forced to accept British values, there wouldn't be such an issue.
America hasn't know any immigration like the EU has. Africans were shipped to the US hundreds of years ago and forced to abide by American law and suppression.
Problems arise when immigrant cultures are seen as equal to that of Western civilisation (which they are not) such as the problems in the EU.
California as an example is terrible. Problems with African and Mexican minorities is rife, I know I live there part of the year.
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Hustle, its quite simple:
Multiculturalism and diversity are destructive philosophies to any nation that embraces them. It's becoming quite evident, that, and even the Left is beginning to acknowledge this, that you cannot throw a large group of people together of varying races, religions, cultures, and backgrounds and expect harmony. This by itself, directly and indirectly, has caused tens of millions of deaths.
In the US, on a large scale, that whites, blacks, and hispanics(the 3 dominating groups) cannot and will not get along. Each group proclaims itself as a victim to the other two, and none admit to being an oppressor.
I disagree with this:
Multiculturalism and diversity are destructive philosophies to any nation that embraces them.
A side from the ignorance racism if it were not for "Multiculturalism and diversity" the US. would not be the world leader it is today; It took cultural diversity to build America! The only destructive philosophy in any nation is RACISM!
I agree to some extent with this part of your post: you cannot throw a large group of people together of varying races, religions, cultures, and backgrounds and expect harmony.
It all depends on what defines your race; case and point I am in an interracial relationship (8yrs) and we perfectly compliment each other, mainly because we have the same religious beliefs but we decided to define our own culture and mesh our backgrounds.
We are individuals working together so;In the begining we decided to let go of cultural differences that would cause any division or strife in our relationship.
Example:
We do not tolerate racism. (Both of our families have their own versions of how to practice racism but we do not participate or tolerate)
We respect the cultural differences between her family and mine. e.g., (Her family is very closed looped, reserved and conservative, my family is very hospitable) for instance, let's say a friend (her's or mine) was passing through town and needed a place to rest your head for the night, her family would kindly direct them to the nearest hotel/motel and probably invite them over for a continental type breakfast in the morning, my family would offer you to stay with them even if it meant someone giving up a bed and make breakfast for you in the morning (Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles style). Neither family is wrong its just that they both have a different ways of being hospitable.
We always have a spare room for family our friends just passing by through.
HMIC
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So how about a place like Brazil? Most of the big cities in California? Atlanta? There are many others. To say diversity is destructive is simply not accurate.
I can't speal for Brazil.....but have you ever lived in LA? od Atlanta?...not the most peaceful place on the planet, ya know?
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I can't speal for Brazil.....but have you ever lived in LA? od Atlanta?...not the most peaceful place on the planet, ya know?
Been to LA many times (twice this year). I was just in Atlanta a couple weeks ago. What I saw in both places was an incredibly diverse environment (whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Eastern). Didn't see any rioting in the streets. :) I know there are problems everywhere and there are race/culture based conflicts, but by and large those are the exception. I'd hardly call it destructive.
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Been to LA many times (twice this year). I was just in Atlanta a couple weeks ago. What I saw in both places was an incredibly diverse environment (whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Eastern). Didn't see any rioting in the streets. :) I know there are problems everywhere and there are race/culture based conflicts, but by and large those are the exception. I'd hardly call it destructive.
Try living in that environment. Visiting somewhere isn't the same, even for a couple of weeks.
As far as being "destructive", it would all depend on the area....
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Try living in that environment. Visiting somewhere isn't the same, even for a couple of weeks.
As far as being "destructive", it would all depend on the area....
I have. And I do.
I've always lived and/or worked in diverse communities, including the Army. That's one place where people from different backgrounds, races, cultures, etc. are thrown together and work together to complete the mission. Can't say I've ever experienced diversity being "destructive." Have you?
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I have. And I do.
I've always lived and/or worked in diverse communities, including the Army. That's one place where people from different backgrounds, races, cultures, etc. are thrown together and work together to complete the mission. Can't say I've ever experienced diversity being "destructive." Have you?
Well, the diversity in the Middle east has been destructive for decades......
The Army teaches those guys to work together.
Some areas are Ok when they are diversified, others not so much....
Let's throw out an example here....
Let's say you have a nice clean neighborhood...not "high class", but middle class....
a group of "Hispanics" ::) moves in.....now the grass at that house is no longer green, the trees are no longer trimmed, there are cars parked in the street and on the lawn...wet clothes are thrown over the fence to dry, kids leave their toys and trash all over the yard and street.......now the second family of "Hispanics" ::) moves in......
Does the cycle repeat itself?
There goes the neighborhood.........
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Well, the diversity in the Middle east has been destructive for decades......
The Army teaches those guys to work together.
Some areas are Ok when they are diversified, others not so much....
Let's throw out an example here....
Let's say you have a nice clean neighborhood...not "high class", but middle class....
a group of "Hispanics" ::) moves in.....now the grass at that house is no longer green, the trees are no longer trimmed, there are cars parked in the street and on the lawn...wet clothes are thrown over the fence to dry, kids leave their toys and trash all over the yard and street.......now the second family of "Hispanics" ::) moves in......
Does the cycle repeat itself?
There goes the neighborhood.........
True, but if you got to bang some beautiful teenage Latinas on a daily basis, could you live with the Chickens running through the street?
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Well, the diversity in the Middle east has been destructive for decades......
The Army teaches those guys to work together.
Some areas are Ok when they are diversified, others not so much....
Let's throw out an example here....
Let's say you have a nice clean neighborhood...not "high class", but middle class....
a group of "Hispanics" ::) moves in.....now the grass at that house is no longer green, the trees are no longer trimmed, there are cars parked in the street and on the lawn...wet clothes are thrown over the fence to dry, kids leave their toys and trash all over the yard and street.......now the second family of "Hispanics" ::) moves in......
Does the cycle repeat itself?
There goes the neighborhood.........
You've partly described parts of San Diego. Certain parts of San Diego have gone from predominately white, to mixed white and black, to about 80 to 90 percent Hispanic. They are hard working, baby making, business developing/owning, law abiding people for the most part. Not destructive.
And some of the best food on the planet is in any one of the 999 taco shops in San Diego. :)
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True, but if you got to bang some beautiful teenage Latinas on a daily basis, could you live with the Chickens running through the street?
When I was younger and didn't care.......there was some latina juice flowing.. ;)
Now that I've grown up........no fucking way, a chicken runs down my street, I'm cooking the bitch. :P