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Whats your take on this studs? did it collapsed because of the burning ::)
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Whats your take on this studs? did it collapsed because of the burning ::)
Aliens.
I believe.
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The 911 Commission report had NO mention of the WTC 7 building collapse. So your guess is as good as mine.
No plane hit is, and minimal debris hit it. Again, there is NO OFFICIAL STORY on this, so believing it was something other than fire doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist.
Here it is falling in under 7 seconds - from building to dust and molten metal:
We know that the BBC reported it fell, while it was clearly visible in the background:
We see how tall it is - 500+ feet here - along with the 2 localized fires which led to its collapse, according to som:
Probably the best view of it - from the rear - shows the immense size, and speed it destructed, and the conversion from concrete/steel to dust in some explosive event:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+new&total=870&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
You can also google video of firefighters telling camerman they were about to bring it down, testimony from NYPF, FDNY, EMS about a 20-second countdown to demolition. it's pretty commonly accepted the building was brought down from a controled demolition.
Problems with that?
---The owner collected $450M and declared there was no controlled demo.
---The building housed fbi and other govt offices - why demolish it with all their stuff inside?
---It takes at least a week to wire a building with explosives. When did they do this and why?
Many call it teh smoking gun of 911 - a building has never converted itself from building to powder/molten steel in 7 seconds like this. There is no official cause, as the 911 commission report won't touch it. And NIST promised a report to explain the collapse. It's been 3 years and it appears they've quietly closed the investigation.
It's an interesting question.
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thanks for your input,
how can there elements of the government not be involved into this?
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thanks for your input,
how can there elements of the government not be involved into this?
Good questions mars. Alot of people are just now coming around to asking this. If it wasnt for other countries like Japan pushing for another investigation, we'd be S.O.L. because all we are is a bunch of no good americans for asking, i hear... ::)
Wasnt it neat that NORAD wasnt aware until 2 hours or longer later?? Our fighter jets were just sitting around having tea and crumpets......
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I previously had footage of a FEMA official being interviewed on TV stating they call the call to dispatch the unit to NYC Monday night. Folks... September 11, 2001 was a TUESDAY!
Yet someone... Kreskin maybe, ordered the FEMA team to be there on standby Monday night? :-X
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i have always felt wtc7 was the huge, uncovered gaping hole in the official 9/11 story
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thread #2,500 on the subject. how will this one be any different from the first?
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This is exactly why nobody believes your liberal crap.
You guys are priceless ;D
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This is exactly why nobody believes your liberal crap.
You guys are priceless ;D
Epic delusions of a 30% minority, dumbass. ::)
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Epic delusions of a 30% minority, dumbass. ::)
30% minority ???
Maybe in Berkeley.
I guess old stupid ass George W can pull off the biggest conspiracy in world history. You idiots can't have it both ways. Either he is a dumbass or he is a genious. Which is it?
Even Noam Chomsky doesn't believe this crap.
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30% minority ???
Maybe in Berkeley.
I guess old stupid ass George W can pull off the biggest conspiracy in world history. You idiots can't have it both ways. Either he is a dumbass or he is a genious. Which is it?
Even Noam Chomsky doesn't believe this crap.
Bush couldnt shit his own logs. He knows people and is dumb enough not to care about anything but what hes told to do. Comprendo??
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im not a fan of conspiracy stories at all but facts dont lie. and if they had a clear mind why a lot of things including building 7 didnt appear in the commision report, they obviously hide things.
FBI chief Ted Gunderson with 700 people under his command says they knew about the bombing of the wtc in 1993 beforehand and had total control of it. goal was to pass the anti-terrorism legislation bill in congres.
so that makes you think.
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Any sane person that looks at the facts will come to the conclusion that it didn't happen at all the way we were told.
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jesse ventura called it a controlled demolition.
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Based on the current information and interpretation by non-experts it is definitely a controlled demolition.
Do we know the extent of the damage on the front side? No
Do we know the extent of damage internally? No
So if you take those issues out, you certainly have a controlled demo in my non-expert opinion.
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Based on the current information and interpretation by non-experts it is definitely a controlled demolition.
Do we know the extent of the damage on the front side? No
Do we know the extent of damage internally? No
So if you take those issues out, you certainly have a controlled demo in my non-expert opinion.
The owner of the building was on the news saying he decided to "Pull" it. Meaning it was wired already to come down in a controlled demolition. This would have taken a week or more beforehand. He said go ahead and drop it and down it went.......Youve seen the videos and such at you tube right Oz?
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The owner of the building was on the news saying he decided to "Pull" it. Meaning it was wired already to come down in a controlled demolition. This would have taken a week or more beforehand. He said go ahead and drop it and down it went.......Youve seen the videos and such at you tube right Oz?
plz post them again, i won't be able to view them for while as i'm on the way out the door. I'm willing to bet he doesn't say it as you imply it. I've seen them i'm sure a year ago or so. but plz post them again.
plz don't confuse my light sarcasm, which at it root is skepticism, for aggressive sarcasm. Nothing personal, I'm just trying to find the truth and as i see it, there is nothing that still tells otherwise that veers or contradicts from the idea it collapsed due to damage sustain by fire and debris.
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Ask the Luke; he is a physicist.
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plz post them again, i won't be able to view them for while as i'm on the way out the door. I'm willing to bet he doesn't say it as you imply it. I've seen them i'm sure a year ago or so. but plz post them again.
plz don't confuse my light sarcasm, which at it root is skepticism, for aggressive sarcasm. Nothing personal, I'm just trying to find the truth and as i see it, there is nothing that still tells otherwise that veers or contradicts from the idea it collapsed due to damage sustain by fire and debris.
Ill find it. i heard it last night and was stunned.
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plz post them again, i won't be able to view them for while as i'm on the way out the door. I'm willing to bet he doesn't say it as you imply it.
LMAO... he sure sounds like it...
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found that after watching the first video
Silverstein Spills The Beans About WTC Building 7
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found that after watching the first video
Silverstein Spills The Beans About WTC Building 7
Its crazy that the media doesnt pick up on this video. Huge amount of evidence in only 10min's
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why would they? I mean really... GE/NBC are making a ton of $ from the war, weapons and ratings.
911 has me torn. While it's an obvious crime/inside job, what good would an investigation do at this point in time? The dollar is already weak, the wars aren't going well... a 911 investigation would completely undermine the war, and possibly ruin the spoils we're getting from it.
The far-right folks will never believe it. Heck, kh300 looked at the CNN video of the object/missile leaving the plane before hitting the tower, and he said he didn't care what it was. I mean, it was a pretty damn big smoking gun, and he didn't care. A lot of people won't care.
Really, undermining the war at this point could kill the economy. I don't care about "being right" over people who don't care about evidence like kh. I care about the country doing well. While it's a horrible lie, it's a lie that our economy is built on. Reveal 911 at this tenuous of a time, who knows what would happen.
Besides, with the hundreds of high level military that have come fwd calling for a new investigation... the frmr Bush 1/2 and Reagan CABINET members who have called it an inside job.... the japanese parliament members who called for the UN to do a complete investigation...
they will get around to it. I'm honestly worried about the economy more than 911.
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there must be quiet a few people be involved into this inside job, what could it be that there is not a single person stepping up and tell us what really happend that day?
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there must be quiet a few people be involved into this inside job, what could it be that there is not a single person stepping up and tell us what really happend that day?
why would they? They believe in it and/or they are paid very well.
in WWII, the manhattan project (laarge group who designed the A-bomb) employed 43,000 people for years... the first anyone heard of the bomb was when we dropped it on the japanese. Big secrets can be kept.
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why would they? They believe in it and/or they are paid very well.
in WWII, the manhattan project (laarge group who designed the A-bomb) employed 43,000 people for years... the first anyone heard of the bomb was when we dropped it on the japanese. Big secrets can be kept.
i think theres always someone who goes public, conscience comes into play etc.
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i think theres always someone who goes public, conscience comes into play etc.
some believe that even if they did, the media wouldn't touch the story.
in the usa, anyone who questions the official story is labeled a conspiracy nut. Even if they don't blame anyone - if they just say "that building fell funny, and since there is NO official story, maybe we should look into why it fell" is labeled a "fringe conspiracy theorist".
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some believe that even if they did, the media wouldn't touch the story.
in the usa, anyone who questions the official story is labeled a conspiracy nut. Even if they don't blame anyone - if they just say "that building fell funny, and since there is NO official story, maybe we should look into why it fell" is labeled a "fringe conspiracy theorist".
exactly, theres only a small group sceptic of the event, pretty sad.
its probably because people just cant believe a government can be so evil.
they rather watch jerry springer than read a book.
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why would they? They believe in it and/or they are paid very well.
in WWII, the manhattan project (laarge group who designed the A-bomb) employed 43,000 people for years... the first anyone heard of the bomb was when we dropped it on the japanese. Big secrets can be kept.
bro,give me a fucking break. secrets are impposible to keep. we are always told what we cant talk about. how if info gets leaked you will be fired. but that doesnt stop anyone. they cant even get the CIA guys from running their mouths.
so not only do you have all of the people already involved in the plot. now you add in several agencys. because now a few hundred people just got rich. were did the money come from and were did it go. just keep addind and ad ding into the impossiblity
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bro,give me a fucking break. secrets are impposible to keep. we are always told what we cant talk about. how if info gets leaked you will be fired. but that doesnt stop anyone. they cant even get the CIA guys from running their mouths.
so not only do you have all of the people already involved in the plot. now you add in several agencys. because now a few hundred people just got rich. were did the money come from and were did it go. just keep addind and ad ding into the impossiblity
please tell us now how the compartmentalization of gov departments works and how with this system a few can manipulated the whole without most in that dept. being the wiser of the end purpose? yea, probably got to deep for you, sorry :D
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please tell us now how the compartmentalization of gov departments works and how with this system a few can manipulated the whole without most in that dept. being the wiser of the end purpose? yea, probably got to deep for you, sorry :D
so they hired a few hundred people to rig the trade centers with bombs, without them knowing that they were doing that? then they came up with a way to keep them all quiet...your right maybee that is too deep for me
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so they hired a few hundred people to rig the trade centers with bombs, without them knowing that they were doing that? then they came up with a way to keep them all quiet...your right maybee that is too deep for me
I don't think that's the question I asked you?
On the side, the demolition expert I posted above said something like a team of 40+- would be able to do a 'quicky not give a shit job' the same day to bring down WTC7. That's what he does for a living. Now what might they have needed if they were secretly prepping the buildings in advance... Clearly a lot less the more time in advance they may have had. With these stats, a team of 7 could have done the duty for all buildings from April 2001... guestimated...
Add in we're dealing with ideologies... You among all people should know full well the ability of many people to follow the path where their lives have been leading toward an untimate goal. How many factions can we sit here and pick out where there are many hardcore followers of this or that ideology? I'll give you one example out of many... Zionism, there are thousands and thousands that believe so hardcore in the ideology, thousands that have devoted their entire existence to it, they would follow whatever path given in the name. Not hard to come up with a few dozen or even a few hundered that would never betray their actions. I could go on with other followings in the same manner and you know it.
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Are you saying the Mossad is behind the attack on the WTC Hugo Chavez?
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Are you saying the Mossad is behind the attack on the WTC Hugo Chavez?
well they could easily be without giving up their role, that's my main point in that post. Several other followings could easily fill the same role. I'm shooting down this notion that if you have a conspiracy of more than a few people someone will give it up. that goes out the window under several senerios.
Now if we take these ideological followings and start applying motive, we might come to some specifics :)
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bro,give me a fucking break. secrets are impposible to keep.
Manhattan Project, building the first A-bomb.
43,000 people working at 37 facilities, spread out over 19 states, and Canada.
Not one peep came out about the project until japan got hit.
In wartime, with 43,000 people losing friends/family in war... many of the liking the war, many of them isolationists... not ONE came fwd.
Secrets ARE possible to keep, kh300.
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were did the money come from and were did it go.
Donald Rumsfeld made an announcement on Sept 10, 2001.
$2 to $2.3 trillion dollars was missing from Pentagon spending records.
There would have been a giant investigation, but the very next morning, the group of accountants who would have known about the $ were all killed when the room they were meeting was coincidentally hit with a plane at 9:32 AM.
No investigation into that lost $2.3 trillion was ever done. You asked a question - where could any $ have come from. There's one possibility.
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Manhattan Project, building the first A-bomb.
43,000 people working at 37 facilities, spread out over 19 states, and Canada.
Not one peep came out about the project until japan got hit.
In wartime, with 43,000 people losing friends/family in war... many of the liking the war, many of them isolationists... not ONE came fwd.
Secrets ARE possible to keep, kh300.
yes but those were other times too, nowadays we have internet and a lot more ways to be connected to eachother.
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Donald Rumsfeld made an announcement on Sept 10, 2001.
$2 to $2.3 trillion dollars was missing from Pentagon spending records.
There would have been a giant investigation, but the very next morning, the group of accountants who would have known about the $ were all killed when the room they were meeting was coincidentally hit with a plane at 9:32 AM.
No investigation into that lost $2.3 trillion was ever done. You asked a question - where could any $ have come from. There's one possibility.
WTF?????????????????????????????? TRILLION OR BILLION?
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HOLY FUCKING CRAP!!!!!!!
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national/pentagon_missing_trillions
THAT'S SOME SERIOUS BLACK OP FUDING KH ::)
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Trillion, according to CBS news
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
The War On Waste
Defense Department Cannot Account For 25% Of Funds — $2.3 Trillion
CBS) On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said.
He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.
"In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said.
Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.
Just last week President Bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending." More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
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2.3 TRILLION MISSING.... KH, I hope you're like Jedi and can tell us to move on, nothing to see here...
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Whats your take on this studs? did it collapsed because of the burning ::)
it collapsed cause the terrorists have magical powah! ;)
mecca = greyskull dontcha know! ;)
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compartmentalization
FINALLY...someone on getbig get it...
fucking finally...
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FINALLY...someone on getbig get it...
fucking finally...
all this fracking time and you just now started reading my posts :D
just kidding, thanks PF...
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all this fracking time and you just now started reading my posts :D
just kidding, thanks PF...
its not exactly been an easy 8 months with my girl having kidney faliure...in all honesty mate i just started paying attention again a month ago and i ws like "who the fuck is this noob"..honest man...ya sound kinda like sirduchaine (and thats a compliment)..its been in and out of hospitals..touch n go and the few posts i did make in the last 8 months were make in drunken stupors...but ya do and it is what it is right..
anyhow..i'm almost back...i even got me some prop fever as we speak! 8)
..damn my ass hurts though.. >:(
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oh..if u have the patience..watch this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574387786893863155&q=secret+government&total=4770&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
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ok i dont feel like going back and forth. if you think missing money is proof that the towers were rigged with explosives and terrorists didnt hijack and crash 4 planes, then so be it.
if its so obvious there is a government coverup, then there should be obvious evidence. cant have it both ways.
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its not exactly been an easy 8 months with my girl having kidney faliure...in all honesty mate i just started paying attention again a month ago and i ws like "who the fuck is this noob"..honest man...ya sound kinda like sirduchaine (and thats a compliment)..its been in and out of hospitals..touch n go and the few posts i did make in the last 8 months were make in drunken stupors...but ya do and it is what it is right..
anyhow..i'm almost back...i even got me some prop fever as we speak! 8)
..damn my ass hurts though.. >:(
Oh shit dude... I'm sorry about your girl! I hope she makes it ok :-\
Hugo Chavez = Berserker, you know me well... I had Ron Change my name like you did a while back. I feel your pain, I've been in a bit of a drunken state since I lost my mother. Anyway, PF, if you're feeling like talking, pm me. nothing better than two drunken fools pm'ing back and forth to make things right! All my best wishes to your girl bro...
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Oh shit dude... I'm sorry about your girl! I hope she makes it ok :-\
Hugo Chavez = Berserker, you know me well... I had Ron Change my name like you did a while back. I feel your pain, I've been in a bit of a drunken state since I lost my mother. Anyway, PF, if you're feeling like talking, pm me. nothing better than two drunken fools pm'ing back and forth to make things right! All my best wishes to your girl bro...
bezzzzz.lol...heyy mate..we had our back and forths didn't we! lol...with me girl in trouble somehow .. now none of that matters mate...i'm kinda sorta back now..been training for the last 3 months...as always its been my escape..even better than alkie or cocaine..i'll have a nice surprise for getbigger when i post my new pix this summer.. ;D (gawd i love tren! ;D )
btw i ws serious..watch that seemingly boring vid if u get a chance..it'll change u..
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bezzzzz.lol...heyy mate..we had our back and forths didn't we! lol...with me girl in trouble somehow .. now none of that matters mate...i'm kinda sorta back now..been training for the last 3 months...as always its been my escape..even better than alkie or cocaine..i'll have a nice surprise for getbigger when i post my new pix this summer.. ;D (gawd i love tren! ;D )
btw i ws serious..watch that seemingly boring vid if u get a chance..it'll change u..
dude, I hope it all goes well, with your girl and with the workouts. I know we had our back and forths but serious, no hard feelings on my side, if you ever need a comrade feel free to pm or whatever... good to see you back bro.
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dude, I hope it all goes well, with your girl and with the workouts. I know we had our back and forths but serious, no hard feelings on my side, if you ever need a comrade feel free to pm or whatever... good to see you back bro.
the only person i dislike on here is nordic..honest...
and its not his anti muslim stance..its the glee he takes in spreading hatered...that bothers me..
anyhow mate....if u r ever in MD...hey..hit me up! i'll show ya parts of DC you never knew existed..!
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the only person i dislike on here is nordic..honest...
and its not his anti muslim stance..its the glee he takes in spreading hatered...that bothers me..
anyhow mate....if u r ever in MD...hey..hit me up! i'll show ya parts of DC you never knew existed..!
for sure dude, I want to go back there some day, I'll shoot you a pm if I do.
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ok i dont feel like going back and forth. if you think missing money is proof that the towers were rigged with explosives and terrorists didnt hijack and crash 4 planes, then so be it.
if its so obvious there is a government coverup, then there should be obvious evidence. cant have it both ways.
Dude you are gonna get schooled one day soon. Theres a ton of evidence showing intentional actions on 9/10 and 9/11. The EU and Japan are starting to make a stink about it. Its sad that other countries who lost citizens in the trade demolitions have to come forward and speak out, when our own fireman at the scene cant get the word out either.
Sit back, and watch yourself look like a dumbass once again.
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Trillion, according to CBS news
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
The War On Waste
Defense Department Cannot Account For 25% Of Funds — $2.3 Trillion
CBS) On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said.
He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.
"In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said.
Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.
Just last week President Bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending." More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
:o astonishing