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LOS ANGELES — Charlton Heston, who won the 1959 best actor Oscar as the chariot-racing "Ben-Hur" and portrayed Moses, Michelangelo, El Cid and other heroic figures in movie epics of the '50s and '60s, has died. He was 84.
Heston spokesman Bill Powers says the actor died Saturday night at his home in Beverly Hills with his wife Lydia was at his side.
Heston revealed in 2002 that he had symptoms consistent with Alzheimer's disease, saying, "I must reconcile courage and surrender in equal measure."
With his large, muscular build, well-boned face and sonorous voice, Heston proved the ideal star during the period when Hollywood was filling movie screens with panoramas depicting the religious and historical past. "I have a face that belongs in another century," he often remarked.
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Heston was the man, RIP.
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RIP
NRA :D
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RIP to one of my Idols...
Thank GOD Shatners still alive...
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PIP
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RIP to one of my Idols...
Thank GOD Shatners still alive...
William Shatner is awesome, I don't think that dude will ever die..lol!
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Cool, now we can repeal the second amendment without offending Moses.
I'll keep my guns. The rest of you psychos can give up yours.
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I'm going to have to pull out Planet of the Apes tonight to remember him by.
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Heston's last interview:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4590595 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI)
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Good riddance to rubbish I always say...
STFU, criminal douche.
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STFU, criminal douche.
He was a grade B actor, a religious and rightwing nutcase and just a bad person overall....
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He was a grade B actor, a religious and rightwing nutcase and just a bad person overall....
true dat, and a bad toupee...I loved it when that fat liberal guy owned him in his own house...hahaha
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dont care
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He was a grade B actor, a religious and rightwing nutcase and just a bad person overall....
is that what's gonna be engraved on his tombstone?
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His tombstone should say "here lies a complete pawn, a rightwing zealot... who would do anything that was asked of him no matter what harm it would do." heston was a giant piece of shit and i am having a much better night now that he is dead. I think i'll go rally for gun control and abortion.
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after the dementia set in, he'd welcome anyone who'd care to waltz up to the gate of his house. great dude.
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Can someone please me give some examples of what he did that made him so unpopular to some of you?
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Can someone please me give some examples of what he did that made him so unpopular to some of you?
Liberals don't like him because he stood up for our second amendment rights.
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I think i'll go rally for gun control .
Queer.
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Queer.
Yeah, its great living in the bay area where you read in the newspaper every day about incidents, deaths or homicide to due gun violence. I
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Yeah, its great living in the bay area where you read in the newspaper every day about incidents, deaths or homicide to due gun violence. I
Population control.....I'm glad you enjoy it.
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Population control.....I'm glad you enjoy it.
You're making yourself sound quite intelligent. there's a crippled 8 year old boy in oakland who was hit by a stray bullet from gang bangers while he was having a piano lesson. Epic population control.
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Can someone please me give some examples of what he did that made him so unpopular to some of you?
he was just that bad an actor. :'(
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You're making yourself sound quite intelligent. there's a crippled 8 year old boy in oakland who was hit by a stray bullet from gang bangers while he was having a piano lesson. Epic population control.
I'm not the one that shot him.
Do you think banning guns is going to stop shootings, idiot?
Do you think that negroid gangbanger bought that gun legally?
Do you think it would be possible, in any way shape or form to get guns out of the hands of criminals?
Why in the fuck would you disarm honest people and allow the shit of society to have weapons?
There are a shitload of crippled kids in/around LA as well from drug dealing, gang banging negroid spics, why get rid of the weapons, why not get rid of the real problem?
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true dat, and a bad toupee...I loved it when that fat liberal guy owned him in his own house...hahaha
Michael Moore didn't own shit you homo. Who the fuck 'owns' a 80 year old man with alzeimers?
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RIP Heston.
Goat- Remember, Republicans and democrats both okay'd that brady Bill bullshit.
Bush could have repealed it on Day 1 in office, but chose to let it sunset so as to pacify the soccer moms by ending it under the radar.
President 240 would have worn a .45 on the hip during inauguration then tossed out clips into the crowd for all to enjoy. And he would have wiped his ass with the brady bill after a nice big lunch on inauguration day.
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he was just that bad an actor. :'(
Weird how people who have never acted or have any idea what it takes to be an actor are the ones who call Oscar Award winning actors and an Lifetime Achievement award winner bad actors. Please convince all of us what your qualifications are to say he was just a bad actor. Please list just a few of your acting awards and maybe a few of your blockbuster hits. Thanks in advance, we are honored to have you here. ::)
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Weird how people who have never acted or have any idea what it takes to be an actor are the ones who call Oscar Award winning actors and an Lifetime Achievement award winner bad actors. Please convince all of us what your qualifications are to say he was just a bad actor. Please list just a few of your acting awards and maybe a few of your blockbuster hits. Thanks in advance, we are honored to have you here. ::)
dude, you don't have to be a successful actor to know good acting.
Britney spears is a horrible actress. You see that movie Crossroads? Me neither.
I don't need to be a singer or actor to know this.
Hell, my garbagemen are terrible, they leave my lids in the street and spill trash sometimes. I've never gone to garbageman school, but I've seen enough of them over the years to know bad trash behavior when I see it.
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How often do you hear about armed citizens making any sort of difference in common life/battling crime?
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How often do you hear about armed citizens making any sort of difference in common life/battling crime?
not too much when it happens, but there are hundreds of events per year, maybe thousands.
Gun magazines publish them.
My brother's pharmacy was robbed- two masked gunman entered with guns raised - the plan was to kill my bro and the other worker and grab a pallet of oxys. He was armed and got lucky and fired first. Wounded one and the other lost his nerve and my bro decided not to shoot him in back as he fled. Both were caught ... once still craps in a bag now and got 11 years for the incidenct.
anyway, his story got 1 paragrph in the local newspaper, and 1 full page in some gun magazine a few months later with all the details. And the local media did 1 video interview, and the only line they used was "i was scared".... not major coverage, as they don't want a million heros running around shooting. But if you are capable, legal, and someone does intend to kill you, and the right thing happens, thry don't cover it much.
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not too much when it happens, but there are hundreds of events per year, maybe thousands.
Gun magazines publish them.
My brother's pharmacy was robbed- two masked gunman entered with guns raised - the plan was to kill my bro and the other worker and grab a pallet of oxys. He was armed and got lucky and fired first. Wounded one and the other lost his nerve and my bro decided not to shoot him in back as he fled. Both were caught ... once still craps in a bag now and got 11 years for the incidenct.
anyway, his story got 1 paragrph in the local newspaper, and 1 full page in some gun magazine a few months later with all the details. And the local media did 1 video interview, and the only line they used was "i was scared".... not major coverage, as they don't want a million heros running around shooting. But if you are capable, legal, and someone does intend to kill you, and the right thing happens, thry don't cover it much.
I agree that the capable and intelligent should be able to have guns, but as in many cases, a large enough faction of the population with guns ruins it for the rest of us.
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I agree that the capable and intelligent should be able to have guns, but as in many cases, a large enough faction of the population with guns ruins it for the rest of us.
yep. stupid asses shoot their toes off, cover up accidents, and generally let their emotions control situations. And that's just the cops!
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Step outside the US for a moment and you'll see that arming the population probably caused more problems than it solved.
Too late to disarm, though.
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RIP to one of my Idols...
Why did you idolize him?
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Cool actor, but slightly retarded.
A.I.P. :'(
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dude, you don't have to be a successful actor to know good acting.
Britney spears is a horrible actress. You see that movie Crossroads? Me neither.
I don't need to be a singer or actor to know this.
Hell, my garbagemen are terrible, they leave my lids in the street and spill trash sometimes. I've never gone to garbageman school, but I've seen enough of them over the years to know bad trash behavior when I see it.
Those bitches broke the wheel off mine and didnt replace it. >:(
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My brother's pharmacy was robbed- two masked gunman entered with guns raised - the plan was to kill my bro and the other worker and grab a pallet of oxys. He was armed and got lucky and fired first. Wounded one and the other lost his nerve and my bro decided not to shoot him in back as he fled. Both were caught ... once still craps in a bag now and got 11 years for the incidenct.
anyway, his story got 1 paragrph in the local newspaper, and 1 full page in some gun magazine a few months later with all the details. And the local media did 1 video interview, and the only line they used was "i was scared".... not major coverage, as they don't want a million heros running around shooting. But if you are capable, legal, and someone does intend to kill you, and the right thing happens, thry don't cover it much.
God not this story again... ;D
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Michael Moore didn't own shit you ####. Who the fuck 'owns' a 80 year old man with alzeimers?
calm down "beener", he didnt have alzeimers at the time. :D
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RIP Heston.
Goat- Remember, Republicans and democrats both okay'd that brady Bill bullshit.
Bush could have repealed it on Day 1 in office, but chose to let it sunset so as to pacify the soccer moms by ending it under the radar.
President 240 would have worn a .45 on the hip during inauguration then tossed out clips into the crowd for all to enjoy. And he would have wiped his ass with the brady bill after a nice big lunch on inauguration day.
um you were funnier when you wern't a gimmick, 240
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DA would look better than he does with charlton hestons rug
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HAHAHAHA he was a typical senile old American racist. his arrogance and idiocy was a joke to me.
don't rest in peace old man.
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Very wooden actor, but in some roles like Will Penny it worked very well. Some of his better later stuff was pretty campy: Planet of the Apes, Omega Man, Soylent Green, etc. Goodnight funnyman.
RAMMING SPEED!
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HAHAHAHA he was a typical senile old American racist. his arrogance and idiocy was a joke to me.
don't rest in peace old man.
he hated nixon, he cant be all bad! haha
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Step outside the US for a moment and you'll see that arming the population probably caused more problems than it solved.
Too late to disarm, though.
Agreed.
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HAHAHAHA he was a typical senile old American racist. his arrogance and idiocy was a joke to me.
don't rest in peace old man.
Why play the race card asshat? He had strongly opposed racial segregation.
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He was a grade B actor, a religious and rightwing nutcase and just a bad person overall....
Grade B actor???? he won an OSCAR, douche bag. but I am sure you have accomplished so much more than him.
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Grade B actor???? he won an OSCAR, douche bag. but I am sure you have accomplished so much more than him.
And Cary Grant never won one!? C'mon, you know better. :)
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not too much when it happens, but there are hundreds of events per year, maybe thousands.
Gun magazines publish them.
My brother's pharmacy was robbed- two masked gunman entered with guns raised - the plan was to kill my bro and the other worker and grab a pallet of oxys. He was armed and got lucky and fired first. Wounded one and the other lost his nerve and my bro decided not to shoot him in back as he fled. Both were caught ... once still craps in a bag now and got 11 years for the incidenct.
anyway, his story got 1 paragrph in the local newspaper, and 1 full page in some gun magazine a few months later with all the details. And the local media did 1 video interview, and the only line they used was "i was scared".... not major coverage, as they don't want a million heros running around shooting. But if you are capable, legal, and someone does intend to kill you, and the right thing happens, thry don't cover it much.
How old is Shatner?
And does anyone recall what became of that old dude in Texas who shot the two guys who were in the middle of robbing his neighbor's house? You know...they had him on 911 and they were trying to talk him out of 'interfering'?....and he was like 'the HELL with that...'
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How old is Shatner?
And does anyone recall what became of that old dude in Texas who shot the two guys who were in the middle of robbing his neighbor's house? You know...they had him on 911 and they were trying to talk him out of 'interfering'?....and he was like 'the HELL with that...'
LOL... really, he should have let the cops show up and deal with it. Maybe go shoot out their tires if you're really that trigger happy and eager to save your neighbor's flatscreen TV.
Coldly icing two unarmed guys for a nonviolent crime (and not a forcible felony) is something you just don't want on your conscience. Of course, in teh bgiger picture, he was probably a war vet, probably tired of seeing scum feast on the meek, and decided to set an example for all scum by taking these 2 outta circulation. In a utilitarian sense, maybe he did it for the greater good. In an emotion sense, those two home invaders deserve to be pinkmisted, sure.
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I'm not the one that shot him.
Do you think banning guns is going to stop shootings, idiot?
Do you think that negroid gangbanger bought that gun legally?
Do you think it would be possible, in any way shape or form to get guns out of the hands of criminals?
Why in the fuck would you disarm honest people and allow the shit of society to have weapons?
There are a shitload of crippled kids in/around LA as well from drug dealing, gang banging negroid spics, why get rid of the weapons, why not get rid of the real problem?
meltdown, apparently this issue is rooted deeply with you. God forbid they take away your shotgun and beer.
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LOL... really, he should have let the cops show up and deal with it. Maybe go shoot out their tires if you're really that trigger happy and eager to save your neighbor's flatscreen TV.
Coldly icing two unarmed guys for a nonviolent crime (and not a forcible felony) is something you just don't want on your conscience. Of course, in teh bgiger picture, he was probably a war vet, probably tired of seeing scum feast on the meek, and decided to set an example for all scum by taking these 2 outta circulation. In a utilitarian sense, maybe he did it for the greater good. In an emotion sense, those two home invaders deserve to be pinkmisted, sure.
"pinkmisted"....never heard it put that way...
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"pinkmisted"....never heard it put that way...
usually applies more to those pricks in iraq that you see on the chopper night vision... loading a 50 caliber machine gun into the back of their truck while our heroes in the birds calmly plan their imminent elimination.
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usually applies more to those pricks in iraq that you see on the chopper night vision... loading a 50 caliber machine gun into the back of their truck while our heroes in the birds calmly plan their imminent elimination.
You mean the brave freedom fighters?
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Ahhh..yes. It is now more pisturesque for me. Thank you.
Kind of like 'Saving Private Ryan', when Barry Pepper, the sharpshooter, was in the tower, picking off Germans...and you'd see that red spray, their blood, bursting out of them...yes?
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He was a grade B actor, a religious and rightwing nutcase and just a bad person overall....
and your a load swallowing retard, so who cares
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dude, you don't have to be a successful actor to know good acting.
Britney spears is a horrible actress. You see that movie Crossroads? Me neither.
I don't need to be a singer or actor to know this.
Hell, my garbagemen are terrible, they leave my lids in the street and spill trash sometimes. I've never gone to garbageman school, but I've seen enough of them over the years to know bad trash behavior when I see it.
Nice try to get your point across but you fail horribly. Britney Spears is not an actress she is a singer. Is she a bad singer? Heston is not a singer, he was an actor. Your problem is everything becomes polliticial to you. If they are politically incorrect in your eyes then they are bad all-round. Was Heston in the past 50+ years always considered a bad actor. If he was someone should have told the rest of the industry that.
I see a lot of bad actors with a resume that looks like this ::) http://imdb.com/name/nm0000032/ (http://imdb.com/name/nm0000032/)
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Nice try to get your point across but you fail horribly. Britney Spears is not an actress she is a singer.
She starred in a major motion picture. That makes her an actress.
My post simply said you don't have to be an actor to know good acting.
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Can someone please me give some examples of what he did that made him so unpopular to some of you?
He became an ultra conservative icon late in his life, and on occasion would say some incredibly racist and homophobic things, but in the 1960s and 1970s he was quite different:
"In his earlier years, Heston was a liberal Democrat, campaigning for Presidential candidates Adlai Stevenson in 1956 and John F. Kennedy in 1960. A civil rights activist, he accompanied Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights march held in Washington, D.C. in 1963, even going so far as to wear a sign that read "All Men Are Created Equal". Heston later claimed it a point of pride that he helped in the civil rights cause "long before Hollywood found it fashionable", as he often says in his speeches. Heston had also planned to campaign for Lyndon Johnson, but was unable to do so when filming on Major Dundee went over schedule.
In 1968, following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, Heston appeared on The Joey Bishop Show and, along with fellow actors Gregory Peck, Kirk Douglas and James Stewart, called for public support for President Johnson's Gun Control Act of 1968.
He was also an opponent of McCarthyism and racial segregation, which he saw as only helping the cause of Communism worldwide. He opposed the Vietnam War and considered Richard Nixon a disaster for America. He turned down John Wayne's offer of a role in The Alamo, because the film was a right-wing allegory for the Cold War."
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Oh Boy! Heston was president of an organization that believes a law abiding American should have the right to protect himself from low life scum that will acquire weapons whether they are legal or not. What a terrible person! I can just imagine the following scenario unfolding. Some liberal Get Big poster is in his car when up pulls some Lime green painted "Thugmobile" with 22 inch spinner rims, blasting Gangsta' Rap. Out pours a couple of unevolved, primitive, unintelligble, ignorant crack-smoking, baby-mama producing Savages. They point their illegally aquired Glocks at the liberal and order him out of the car. The liberal tells them, "It's Ok guys. I understand your plight. You weren't given the opportunities that I had and you are merely a product of your environment. I will gladly give up my car to you..please have a nice day gentlemen." Then the primates proceed to pump 10 rounds into the pathetic liberal. As the Liberal Get Big Poster lies bleeding to death he thinks, "What happenned, I showed these disadvantaged youths empathy..and they still shot me. Maybe I should have gotten a license to carry a concealed weapon after all." Then, he dies.
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meltdown, apparently this issue is rooted deeply with you. God forbid they take away your shotgun and beer.
I'll keep the shotgun, you can have the beer, and the chicken calves.
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Step outside the US for a moment and you'll see that arming the population probably caused more problems than it solved.
Too late to disarm, though.
"...arming the population probably caused more problems than it solved..."
Interesting the way that is phrased. It presupposes that "disarmed" is the natural state of man, and that we took some kind of positive action to "arm" everyone.
It demonstrates the clear difference in not just opinion, but thinking and worldview between Europeans/Australians and Americans.
The world is a dangerous place, and man has armed himself since the dawn of time, first with clubs, the spears, then swords, the arrows, and finally guns. The normal state of man is to be armed so he may protect himself if he is set upon by a group of thugs. It is the European countries who have taken the extraordinary step to disarm their populations.
There are several problems with this though. While in theory it protects people from gun violence (assuming, of course there are no illegal guns out there, a ridiculous assumption), it does not change the violent nature of man. There are still knives, clubs, and a host of other weapons out there. You can still have a group of 10 thugs attacking one innocent. You can still have a guy attacking a 70-year-old who can no longer defend himself. By taking guns away from law-abiding citizens, you may have reduced "gun violence" a bit, but you have taken away every law-abiding person's fundamental right to defend himself and his family from violence. To most Americans, this is an unacceptable trade-off.
But again, it shows the difference in world-view. The more left-leaning countries are only interested in average outcomes, and don't care if it fucks over lots of individuals along the way. In America we protect individual rights, and reject a "nanny" government that tinkers with lots of shit, but in the end can neither guarantee our safety nor allow us to guarantee our own safety.
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I liked the guy.
100% American
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By taking guns away from law-abiding citizens, you may have reduced "gun violence" a bit, but you have taken away every law-abiding person's fundamental right to defend himself and his family from violence. To most Americans, this is an unacceptable trade-off.
back in the day, teachers would have to break up the occasional school yard fight. Today kids run home and grab a handgun because they've been dissed.
you can keep all the rifles and shotguns you want. but let's get rid of all the handguns.
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back in the day, teachers would have to break up the occasional school yard fight. Today kids run home and grab a handgun because they've been dissed.
you can keep all the rifles and shotguns you want. but let's get rid of all the handguns.
Why don't people realize that criminals will never give up their guns, the laws that are made only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals will always have guns.
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back in the day, teachers would have to break up the occasional school yard fight. Today kids run home and grab a handgun because they've been dissed.
you can keep all the rifles and shotguns you want. but let's get rid of all the handguns.
And gun laws are more strict today than they were "back in the day". What does that tell you? Making them illegal will not "get rid of them", it will just ensure than only criminals have guns.
But again, you're arguing average outcomes, I'm arguing individual rights to protect oneself. What good is a shotgun for self-defense, unless you happen to be at home?
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back in the day, teachers would have to break up the occasional school yard fight. Today kids run home and grab a handgun because they've been dissed.
you can keep all the rifles and shotguns you want. but let's get rid of all the handguns.
Get rid of rap music that made this fashionable.
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And gun laws are more strict today than they were "back in the day". What does that tell you? Making them illegal will not "get rid of them", it will just ensure than only criminals have guns.
In Japan, organized crime has guns, the general population does not. There are very few gun related deaths. And the general population is no more terrorized by organized crime than here. Adolescent gang activity is virtually non-existent.
But again, you're arguing outcomes, I'm arguing individual rights to protect oneself. What good is a shotgun for self-defense, unless you happen to be at home?
in a civilized society, why do you need to protect yourself with a gun? Aren't there other better choices? And if you have the right to protect yourself with a hand gun, then why not an assault rifle, a bazooka, or an anti-aircraft missle?
Branishing a gun is still illegal. So a handgun is not a deterrent. You can draw it in self defense. But how often are you in a situation where you have no other choice than to fire your gun? Compare that to how many people are killed in anger, how many kids use a gun because they don't know that throwing a punch is enough.
Yes I'm arguing outcomes, because sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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In Japan, organized crime has guns, the general population does not. There are very few gun related deaths. And the general population is no more terrorized by organized crime than here. Adolescent gang activity is virtually non-existent.
in a civilized society, why do you need to protect yourself with a gun? Aren't there other better choices? And if you have the right to protect yourself with a hand gun, then why not an assault rifle, a bazooka, or an anti-tank missle?
Branishing a gun is still illegal. So a handgun is not a deterrent. You can draw it in self defense. But how often are you in a situation where you have no other choice than to fire your gun? Compare that to how many people are killed in anger, how many kids use a gun because they don't know that throwing a punch is enough.
Yes I'm arguing outcomes, because sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Maybe we should ban gays as well. I don't agree with thier homosexual ways. ::)
Your personal opinion shouldn't be forced on others, that's why this country is "free".
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uh, this isnt Japan, go ride the subway in Philly ::)
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In Japan, organized crime has guns, the general population does not. There are very few gun related deaths. And the general population is no more terrorized by organized crime than here. Adolescent gang activity is virtually non-existent.
in a civilized society, why do you need to protect yourself with a gun? Aren't there other better choices? And if you have the right to protect yourself with a hand gun, then why not an assault rifle, a bazooka, or an anti-aircraft missle?
Branishing a gun is still illegal. So a handgun is not a deterrent. You can draw it in self defense. But how often are you in a situation where you have no other choice than to fire your gun? Compare that to how many people are killed in anger, how many kids use a gun because they don't know that throwing a punch is enough.
Yes I'm arguing outcomes, because sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Uh, so you're saying the ends justify the means!? ???
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In Japan, organized crime has guns, the general population does not. There are very few gun related deaths.
How about deaths from knives, beatings, etc? How about those poor souls who do encounter a criminal, whether he is armed with a gun, a knife, or is unarmed and just happens to be 20 years younger and 100 lbs heavier than the victim?
in a civilized society, why do you need to protect yourself with a gun?
Do you read the news? ::)
Aren't there other better choices?
Sure... I'll just try to "empathise" with the disadvantage youths... that'll make them leave me alone. ::)
And if you have the right to protect yourself with a hand gun, then why not an assault rifle, a bazooka, or an anti-tank missle?
You're just being ridiculous now. A handgun is sufficient to handle most situations.
Branishing a gun is still illegal. So a handgun is not a deterrent. You can draw it in self defense.
I'm not looking for a "deterrent", I'm looking for the ability to defend myself should the need arise.
But how often are you in a situation where you have no other choice than to fire your gun?
How often does your house catch on fire? Does that mean you shouldn't have insurance? ::)
Yes I'm arguing outcomes, because sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
"Let's take away people's fundamental rights for the 'greater good' ", the overarching theme of the socialists.
I don't plan on giving up my rights ever, and thankfully enough people feel as I do that you libs will never succeed. Hope this helps.
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In Japan, organized crime has guns, the general population does not. There are very few gun related deaths. And the general population is no more terrorized by organized crime than here. Adolescent gang activity is virtually non-existent.
in a civilized society, why do you need to protect yourself with a gun? Aren't there other better choices? And if you have the right to protect yourself with a hand gun, then why not an assault rifle, a bazooka, or an anti-aircraft missle?
Branishing a gun is still illegal. So a handgun is not a deterrent. You can draw it in self defense. But how often are you in a situation where you have no other choice than to fire your gun? Compare that to how many people are killed in anger, how many kids use a gun because they don't know that throwing a punch is enough.
Yes I'm arguing outcomes, because sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Have you compared the racial makeup of Japan with over here? If they had our demographics, their crime rate would go through the roof.
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Tim,
Let's look at your average joe sixpack, and your average joe nutcase. Hypothetical case.
Sixpack is out at dinner with his family. He cannot carry a rifle or shotgun with him of course - so they are unarmed.
Nutcase is going to pull up to applebee's (or whatever other place he chooses) with 2 rifles and a lot of clips. He's going to shoot the place up and get 20 kills before he dies by the police.
Now, if each party had access to handguns (if they were legal), then Joe Sixpack might have had one (many people in FL carry one concealed when they go out in public) to defend his family. And Nutcase might have chosen a handgun out of ease, and it would have meant less kills on his part.
Tim, I'm 32. I've carried for 11 years now, legally in FL. I had to pass a tough written exam (and now they have to test fire) and I had extensive background check. If I get into trouble - domestic, mental, criminal, etc - I lose my permit.
I've been in fights (some kid threw a haymaker in crowded mall), I've been messed with like all, I've been mad in traffic, but I've never drawn it. most people don't know I carry and never will because it's not something that's pleasant, but something that could save my skin if I ever find myself in a bad spot.
Would you really advocate me not being able to carry my gun anymore, so that *some* of the kids who are already carrying illegal might have a tougher time getting their next gun?
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the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Didn't Spock say that at the end of "The Wrath of Kahn"?
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Didn't Spock say that at the end of "The Wrath of Kahn"?
Yes, as he sacrificed himself to save the ship.
Of course it was his free choice to do so... he wasn't forced by the government to sacrifice himself so the "many" could have a happy shiny world where everyone holds hands and sings "kumbaya" (until a criminal beats them all to death with a club).
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:'(
LOS ANGELES — Charlton Heston, who won the 1959 best actor Oscar as the chariot-racing "Ben-Hur" and portrayed Moses, Michelangelo, El Cid and other heroic figures in movie epics of the '50s and '60s, has died. He was 84...
With his large, muscular build, well-boned face and sonorous voice, Heston proved the ideal star during the period when Hollywood was filling movie screens with panoramas depicting the religious and historical past. "I have a face that belongs in another century," he often remarked.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha ..."well boned face" hahahahahahahaha
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TIM,
I think your position makes sense for a macro setting. You remove all handguns, and in 50 yeasr, things will be statisticall safer.
The problem is, for those 50 years, as we wait for old guns to break/rust/run out of 9mm round, liife sure will suck for the law-abiding, and it'll be easy street for the criminals.
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Yes, as he sacrificed himself to save the ship.
Of course it was his free choice to do so... he wasn't forced by the government to sacrifice himself so the "many" could have a happy shiny world where everyone holds hands and sings "kumbaya" (until a criminal beats them all to death with a club).
Exactly..Ha,ha. If Timfogarty had been Captain instead of Kirk, he would try to negotiate with Kahn instead of firing Photon Torpedos!
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TIM,
I think your position makes sense for a macro setting. You remove all handguns, and in 50 yeasr, things will be statisticall safer.
The problem is, for those 50 years, as we wait for old guns to break/rust/run out of 9mm round, liife sure will suck for the law-abiding, and it'll be easy street for the criminals.
I don't even agree with that. Criminals will still have access to knives, clubs, and a host of other weapons. Large unarmed men can still prey an women or the elderly, and large groups of men can still prey on individuals. Guns are the only equalizer that allows one to properly defend oneself in these situations.
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I don't even agree with that. Criminals will still have access to knives, clubs, and a host of other weapons. Large unarmed men can still prey an women or the elderly, and large groups of men can still prey on individuals. Guns are the only equalizer that allows one to properly defend oneself in these situations.
Personally, I'm all for an open carry society. And if you fuck up and break the law, you're getting 10 years of hard labor, immediately.
I was pointing out the rough transitional phase that we'd all spend our lifetimes living thru if a gun ban was enacted. Tim is all about "good of the masses" which is fine - but his life won't get better from it, it'll get worse.
You're right, of course. Guns are the great equalizer. A 110-pound woman has zero chance if two 200-pound men decide to give her some surprise sex. Guns change that.
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I dont agree with that either, look at how well we supposedly stop drugs from entering our wide open borders-prohibition on firearms would be just as bad-probably be worse.
Gun laws only disarm the law abiding.
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You're just being ridiculous now. A handgun is sufficient to handle most situations.
No gun is sufficient to handle most situations. If there are a few cases where a handgun is needed, there are also a few cases where an assault rifle is needed. And if there are a few cases where an assault rifle is needed, then there are a few cases where a bazooka is needed.
We're in agreement that there needs to be a line, we just disagree on where the line is to be drawn.
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I was pointing out the rough transitional phase that we'd all spend our lifetimes living thru if a gun ban was enacted. Tim is all about "good of the masses" which is fine - but his life won't get better from it, it'll get worse.
You're right, of course. Guns are the great equalizer. A 110-pound woman has zero chance if two 200-pound men decide to give her some surprise sex. Guns change that.
Even if we could reach Tim's "Japanese Utopia", where statistically homicides are less (but NOT non-existant), what about those fewer who are still victims? What he is proposing is "we are taking away your right to defend yourself, in exchange for a statistically reduced chance of being a victim". Basically, they are gambling with the lives of those who will still be victims under such a scheme. I strongly believe that in a free society, the government doesn't have the RIGHT to gamble with my life, even in pursuit of some utopian "greater good". That's the difference between people who believe in individual freedoms and socialists.
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No gun is sufficient to handle most situations. If there are a few cases where a handgun is needed, there are also a few cases where an assault rifle is needed. And if there are a few cases where an assault rifle is needed, then there are a few cases where a bazooka is needed.
I disagree. In the current environment, a handgun is sufficient.
We're in agreement that there needs to be a line, we just disagree on where the line is to be drawn.
No, we're not. In our "civilized society" that you keep bringing up, a handgun is sufficient, so there's no reason to have bazookas. If we lived someplace where more firepower was required, I would be opposed to restricting heavier weapons as well. What you're talking about is complete disarmament and taking away citizens' basic right of self-defense.
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Problem is that the 'right to selfdefense' is often used to shoot first and ask questions later, the term is too ambiguous for many.
A society in which there's about a gun per inhabitant will see more gun incidents (accidental or not) than a society where there's 1/100 gun per capita. That's just the law of numbers.
I think disarmament is too late for the US now, I do think the States would have been better of without them.
oh and the argument that 'armed' is the normal state of mankind is utter bullcrap. Although history is riddled with wars and strifes, most of the time there was actually a state of peace, the general population, except in some extreme situations, was unarmed.
Edit: ontopic, RIP Ben Hur, Heston/is was considered an arrogant and vain man and a mediocre actor among his peers. Very much suited for the larger-than-life roles he played in the 50's and 60's, he lacked finesse and empathy to deal with more human roles.
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She starred in a major motion picture. That makes her an actress.
My post simply said you don't have to be an actor to know good acting.
Okay so you are right about Spears being a bad actress, and wrong about Heston. 50/50 is still a great batting average.
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Okay so you are right about Spears being a bad actress, and wrong about Heston. 50/50 is still a great batting average.
Heston was fine, but his range was really quite limited. He founded the teeth gritting school of acting. :D
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i have many guns. it is fun to shoot things.
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i have many guns. it is fun to shoot things.
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You are the reason the libs make the arguments they do. Still, I'm not about to give up my right to self-protection simply to protect people like you from yourselves.
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HAHAHAHA he was a typical senile old American racist. his arrogance and idiocy was a joke to me.
don't rest in peace old man.
Yeah, he was really racist, what with him rallying for civil rights and marching alongside MLK. Maybe later on in life, but he also had alzheimer's. ::)
He probably didn't like homosexual ragheads like you though, but then again, no one does.
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Yeah, he was really racist, what with him rallying for civil rights and marching alongside MLK. Maybe later on in life, but he also had alzheimer's. ::)
He probably didn't like homosexual ragheads like you though, but then again, no one does.
oh well he worshipped a false god and is now in hell so what does it matter my female faced friend
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"For the good of the many, the few may suffer."
A general from either WW 1 or 2 said this...unsure who.
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Problem is that the 'right to selfdefense' is often used to shoot first and ask questions later, the term is too ambiguous for many.
A society in which there's about a gun per inhabitant will see more gun incidents (accidental or not) than a society where there's 1/100 gun per capita. That's just the law of numbers.
I think disarmament is too late for the US now, I do think the States would have been better of without them.
oh and the argument that 'armed' is the normal state of mankind is utter bullcrap. Although history is riddled with wars and strifes, most of the time there was actually a state of peace, the general population, except in some extreme situations, was unarmed.
Edit: ontopic, RIP Ben Hur, Heston/is was considered an arrogant and vain man and a mediocre actor among his peers. Very much suited for the larger-than-life roles he played in the 50's and 60's, he lacked finesse and empathy to deal with more human roles.
In all respect...some would say Arnold is viewed in exactly the same way.
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oh well he worshipped a false god and is now in hell so what does it matter my female faced friend
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Supplicating_Pilgrim_at_Masjid_Al_Haram._Mecca,_Saudi_Arabia.jpg/800px-Supplicating_Pilgrim_at_Masjid_Al_Haram._Mecca,_Saudi_Arabia.jpg)
Hopefully a nuclear-bomb will join them 8)
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oh well he worshipped a false god and is now in hell so what does it matter my female faced friend
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Supplicating_Pilgrim_at_Masjid_Al_Haram._Mecca,_Saudi_Arabia.jpg/800px-Supplicating_Pilgrim_at_Masjid_Al_Haram._Mecca,_Saudi_Arabia.jpg)
'Sharma'="Don't rest in piece"...?......well, I guess you'd have to consider the source of this statement.
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Oh Boy! Heston was president of an organization that believes a law abiding American should have the right to protect himself from low life scum that will acquire weapons whether they are legal or not. What a terrible person! I can just imagine the following scenario unfolding. Some liberal Get Big poster is in his car when up pulls some Lime green painted "Thugmobile" with 22 inch spinner rims, blasting Gangsta' Rap. Out pours a couple of unevolved, primitive, unintelligble, ignorant crack-smoking, baby-mama producing Savages. They point their illegally aquired Glocks at the liberal and order him out of the car. The liberal tells them, "It's Ok guys. I understand your plight. You weren't given the opportunities that I had and you are merely a product of your environment. I will gladly give up my car to you..please have a nice day gentlemen." Then the primates proceed to pump 10 rounds into the pathetic liberal. As the Liberal Get Big Poster lies bleeding to death he thinks, "What happenned, I showed these disadvantaged youths empathy..and they still shot me. Maybe I should have gotten a license to carry a concealed weapon after all." Then, he dies.
Chem-I could not have siad this better.
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Hopefully a nuclear-bomb will join them 8)
Dang....72 virgins for every person in this crowd...I hope your heaven has enough to go around.....
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He was a grade B actor, a religious and rightwing nutcase and just a bad person overall....
come on. what made him a nut. because he was against gun control ???
rip
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By the way, if you feel as I do that the government has no right to deny you the fundamental human right to self-protection, now would be a good time to put your money where your mouth is and join the NRA, the leading organization in America protecting our Second Amendment rights:
https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?CampaignID=nranews
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oh well he worshipped a false god and is now in hell so what does it matter my female faced friend
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You can usually count on a good number of deaths/year as the hajjis make their circles or entrances/exits. That's too much 'true faith' in too small an area. Like a cattle stampede :-\
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Here's a good article relating to gun ownership.
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.
It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.
Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.
Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen.
When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.
It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen .45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.
Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself against two murderous, illegal immigrants and she wins. She is still alive.
Now that is Gun Control ! That is also called managing the news..
Law abiding citizens use guns to protect family friends and property many hundreds of times each year but you seldom hear about it from the main stream press. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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Sadly, the above story is false, but is based on an earlier story that happened in Minnesota about a decade ago.
That being said the NRA archives similar stories in it's "Armed Citizen" Column: http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx .