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I've never seen one, but apparently they're all over the place.
Why so secretive?
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You are one of those people who are on a need to know basis.
;D
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You are one of those people who are on a need to know basis.
;D
Well, I need to know.
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I believe the conspiracy is that the US government and a few others have come to an agreement with the Aliens of some sort.
do you think extraterrestrial life exists?
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I don't know. Statistically likely given how big the universe is.
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They only hide from you (and they only probe people like you, they've a great sense of humour
I see lots of UFOs, all the time, most every night. We smile and wave.
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They only hide from you (and they only probe people like you, they've a great sense of humour
I see lots of UFOs, all the time, most every night. We smile and wave.
Uh-huh.... the bright light and stars you see are from the flash light knocking you upside your head before your alien anal probe.
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13 November 2007
Every year thousands of people say they have seen UFOs in the United States and their claims are usually met with scepticism.
But this panel of former military, government and aviation personnel from countries around the world has urged the US government to take such claims seriously.
The group say the apparent sightings of hovering orbs, glowing lights and high-speed spacecraft are a national security concern and should no longer be dismissed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7091922.stm
18 December 2007
Japan's chief government spokesman has announced that unidentified flying objects (UFOs) exist. He said work should begin urgently to try to confirm whether or not they exist because of what he called "incessant" reports of sightings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7150156.stm
1 March 2008
French Expert Publicly Emerges to Confirm Secret United Nations Meeting on UFO's
http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_michael__080229_french_expert_public.htm
4 March 2008
Confidential Ministry of Defence files on Unidentified Flying Objects are set to be made public. Hundreds of documented sightings of UFOs across the UK will be released by the MoD to the National Archive in the coming weeks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/7275649.stm
April 6, 2008
Exopolitics Toronto, one of Canada's leading UFO research organizations, has taken dramatic and substantive political action to end the UFO cover-up. Each member of the Canadian Parliament has been provided with a copy of the full length feature film documentary ''Fastwalkers Congressional Update'' DVD, labeled "Top Secret". For the first time in Canadian history, elected officials will be able to personally view documented evidence that, when investigated by Parliament, will pave the way for a serious examination of the UFO matter.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20080406/bs_prweb/prweb741894_1
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October 31, 2007
At last night's debate between Democratic presidential candidates in Philadelphia, NBC's Tim Russert asked a flustered Cleveland Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich whether he'd seen a UFO.
Here's a transcript of their exchange:
RUSSERT: Shirley MacLaine writes in her new book that you sighted a UFO over her home in Washington state, that you found the encounter extremely moving, that it was a triangular craft, silent and hovering, that you felt a connection to your heart and heard directions in your mind. Now, did you see a UFO?
KUCINICH: Uh, I did. And the rest of the account. It was an unidentified flying object, OK? It's like, it's unidentified. I saw something. Now, to answer your question. I'm moving my, and I'm also going to move my campaign office to Roswell, New Mexico, and another one in Exeter, New Hampshire, OK? And also, you have to keep in mind that Jimmy Carter saw a UFO, and also that more people in this country have seen UFOs than I think approve of George Bush's presidency.
RUSSERT: Actually, four ...
KUCINICH: And so, wait. We're just getting started here.
RUSSERT: No, no. We have about 14 percent of Americans who say they've seen UFOs. I'm going to move ...
KUCINICH: What was the percentage?
RUSSERT: Fourteen percent.
KUCINICH: What was that percentage?
RUSSERT: Fourteen.
KUCINICH: Thank you.
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_at_debate_i_did_see_a.html
Dennis Kucinich
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Dennis_Kucinich.jpg/160px-)
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Think about those people that mock the UFO idea. How many thousands of time they've made fun of the leaders, generals, pilots, police, and everyday joes who have seen something. I mean, the leader of Russia says they're real, our top military generals say they're real, and their small brains still mock it.
They should feel stupid.
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In 1973, while Governor of Georgia, Jimmy Carter filed a report on his 1969 UFO sighting with the International UFO Bureau in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/10/22/ufo.records/index.html
https://www.space.com/sciencefiction/phenomena/celebrity_ufo_991015.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/02/07/NB128511.DTL&type=printable
Jimmy Carter
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Jimmy_Carter.jpg/169px-Jimmy_Carter.jpg)
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Can someone just get a decent picture?
>:(
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They don't exist.
There is another theory that basically states that these are just demons. If you are not possessed then you will never see one.
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They don't exist.
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.”
Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Here are about 50 other quotes from world and military leaders admitting they exist:
http://ufomonthlymagazine.co.uk/2.html
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We're playing hide and seek?
Discuss: Did the US really land on the moon in '69?
just messing about
xL
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you go to ufo websites, and they truly are run by nutbags, bent on saying every sliver of light in a pic is conclusive proof of UFOs. Gives leaders bad names when they admit something is up there.
I could care less. Doesn't really affect us much. now that we live in a youtube/cell phone camera time period, it will eventually happen that someone gets a clear pic of something. When they do, the other countries will claim its real, our country will suddenly flood youtube with 10,000 similar fakes to make it looks like a hoax, and nothing about our daily lives will change - it'll all depend who you want to believe.
What's funny is, those people that say "they wouldn't lie to us" about big things like 911 or UFOs, but readily admit they lie everyday about 10,000 other things.
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Rob what do you think of the clip i just posted?
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“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.”
Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
Here are about 50 other quotes from world and military leaders admitting they exist:
http://ufomonthlymagazine.co.uk/2.html
Yeah right. So many "quotes", yet there is no solid proof. Reminds me of how Christians claim there is a GOD and many of them are "quoted" as having spoken to God and even seen Jesus. Yet, atheists and many others want "proof" that God exists. Just like you people do not accept the existence of a God due to a lack of proof, I too choose not to believe in UFOs and little green men until there is proof to the contrary.
The hell with "quotes", give me some solid evidence.
Oh, I know, all the evidence is somehow suppressed by the government. Ah, ok.
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hey, we'll never get proof. who cares, really. it's fun to argue about, but doesn't affect us. just like religioin or politics, we all have our opinions, and they don't matter too much in the bigger scheme of things.
I can't prove God, but I believe something is up there. Same with aliens. we're just going to disagree on this.
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If you need highly credible witnesses then just look at the list from the disclosure project .
If you need a the best current hypothesis (IMO) look at Jacques Vallee
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No Doubt they exist. There is existence that is parrallel to our own. The same space you occupy also has matter unseen to physical eyes.
One day they will reveal themselves. Right now its hit and miss, but they do show up.
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There is another theory that basically states that these are just demons.
If you need highly credible witnesses then just look at the list from the disclosure project .
If you need a the best current hypothesis (IMO) look at Jacques Vallee
"Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.
Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée cannot say who or what is behind this scheme, only that the evidence, if carefully analysed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of psychotronic technology.
It is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFO's is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate. Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee#UFO_research_and_academic_work
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http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/vallee_davis.pdf
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:-\ How the hell do these things happen. The man made ones have been busted easily, but the majority of these are complex and filled with many star symbals.
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Rob what do you think of the clip i just posted?
HEY!!
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:-\ How the hell do these things happen. The man made ones have been busted easily, but the majority of these are complex and filled with many star symbals.
Looks like the Cylons found Earth. :P
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The Nazca Lines are a series of geoglyphs located in the Nazca Desert, a high arid plateau that stretches 53 miles or more than 80 kilometers between the towns of Nazca and Palpa on the Pampas de Jumana in Peru. They were created by the Nazca culture between 200 BC and AD 700. There are hundreds of individual figures, ranging in complexity from simple lines to stylized hummingbirds, spiders, monkeys, fishes, sharks, llamas and lizards.
The Nazca lines cannot be recognized as coherent figures except from the air. Since it is presumed the Nazca people could never have seen their work from this vantage point, there has been much speculation on the builders' abilities and motivations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_lines
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Nazca_monkey.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/Nazca-lineas-perro-c01v2.jpg/180px-Nazca-lineas-perro-c01v2.jpg)
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Interesting. The modern crop circles look very "scientific,"... the designs seem advanced. The Nazca circles look like something a five year old sketched.... Maybe aliens have been advancing too.
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Interesting. The modern crop circles look very "scientific,"... the designs seem advanced. The Nazca circles look like something a five year old sketched.... Maybe aliens have been advancing too.
lol hehehehe
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The Nazca circles look like something a five year old sketched.... Maybe aliens have been advancing too.
It's very hard to draw pictures with a laser from outer space. ;D
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Interesting. The modern crop circles look very "scientific,"... the designs seem advanced. The Nazca circles look like something a five year old sketched.... Maybe aliens have been advancing too.
LMAO.
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Or maybe it was a alien toddler who drew them.
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Or maybe it was a alien toddler who drew them.
;D Mom, look at what I made.
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;D Mom, look at what I made.
Human toddlers draw pictures on their bedroom walls. Extraterrestrial toddlers draw pictures on our planet. ;D
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Human toddlers draw pictures on their bedroom walls. Extraterrestrial toddlers draw pictures on our planet. ;D
lol
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http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/vallee_davis.pdf
Very interesting! Thank you!
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Very interesting! Thank you!
no problem
it's a good read and I the he does an excellent job summing up the issues and how to look at the situation.
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Plenty of British scientists have refuted the crop circle malarkey. They've proven just how easy it is to do for a small group of people over a single night.
Of course these facts mean nothing to people like War-Horse who like to get on the bandwagon.
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Plenty of British scientists have refuted the crop circle malarkey. They've proven just how easy it is to do for a small group of people over a single night.
Of course these facts mean nothing to people like War-Horse who like to get on the bandwagon.
just because you fake one doesn't mean they are all fake (or made in that same way).
It the same argument with photos/videos.
TV shows will show someone making a fake and then imply that therefore they are all fake.
Most understand the flaw in this yet a portion of people will see it and arrive at that very conclusion.
regarding crop circles, ufos, etc..I don't think there's enough information about any of the phenomena to start tying stuff together
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just because you fake one doesn't mean they are all fake (or made in that same way).
It the same argument with photos/videos.
TV shows will show someone making a fake and then imply that therefore they are all fake.
Most understand the flaw in this yet a portion of people will see it and arrive at that very conclusion.
regarding crop circles, ufos, etc..I don't think there's enough information about any of the phenomena to start tying stuff together
If you look you will see.
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that's because you've unfortunately logged in under your wrong name. If you look you will see.
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sorry, I edited my post. I decided not to be blatant.
What you gotta do is go to a layline. The Andes maybe or London?
Then you open your eyes.
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sorry, I edited my post. What you gotta do is go to a layline. The Andes maybe or London?
Then you open your eyes.
or out it some small town in Texas or in New York City or out an airplane window, etc..
I've looked but I've never seen anything yet
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Why is this topic on the Politics board?
Try this, or a pyramid or Peru. Or just shut your eyes
xL
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Why is this topic on the Politics board?
Try either this or a pyramid. Or just shut your eyes
xL
beats me
I didn't start it although the topic has huge geo-political implications.
Personally I don't need to see something with my own eyes in order to believe it there is something real happening
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I googled, because I've been to see this and wanted to tell you about him:
"The Cerne Abbas Giant or the 'Rude Man' is the largest hillfigure in Britain, (the figure's gender is beyond doubt) and he is one of two representations of the human form, the other being the Long Man of Wilmington in East Sussex.
The giant, carved in solid lines from the chalk bedrock measures in at 180 feet high, and carries a huge knobbled club, which measures 120 feet in length.
The first written record of the giant appears in 1751 in a letter by Dorset historian John Hutchins, he suggested that the figure was cut in the mid 1600's. Another slightly later reference to the figure can be found in the Gentleman's magazine of 1764, where the figure is described and depicted with a navel, that has long since disappeared. The lack of earlier references is frustrating but does not mean that the figure dates to the 17th century, and its style and proximity to an Iron Age earthwork suggests a much earlier origin.
There are numerous theories as to when and why the giant was created, one of the more popular is that he is the Greek-Roman god Hercules, who is often represented with a club and an animal fur. It has been suggested that the figure was once depicted carrying and animal fur in his left hand. It is possible that worship of Hercules arrived in the early part of the Roman invasion, which was then became amalgamated with a god of a local Celtic tribe. The theory given the most weight by historians is that it was created during the reign of the Emperor Commodus between 180 - 193 AD, he believed himself to be a reincarnation of Hercules and allowed the cult to revive.
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you're not drawing any UFO connection....I hope?
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It can only be seen properly from the skies. Go figure.
Also, it's hilarious, don't you think we all have a great sense of humour? It's not hidden.
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It can only be seen properly from the skies. Go figure.
Also, it's hilarious, don't you think we all have a great sense of humour? It's not hidden.
really?
It looks like it carved out on a hill
even if it could only be seen from 200 feet in the air or 2000
so what???
what if the people who made that just thought a god lived in the sky and could look down and see it?
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hey, I just woke up in the middle of the night and remembered to tell you this: They are doing a historical carbon dating dig around Stonehenge. For the last 10-15 years it has been completely closed off to the public and they only let the Druids in when it is a full moon or something.
But I went there as a child and freely danced around in a circle and touched all the stones. I'll be the first to post to you the findings of their carbon dating dig.
xL
It'll maybe be digital or in a better code....
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I couldn't give less of a shit
thanks
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just because you fake one doesn't mean they are all fake (or made in that same way).
It the same argument with photos/videos.
TV shows will show someone making a fake and then imply that therefore they are all fake.
Most understand the flaw in this yet a portion of people will see it and arrive at that very conclusion.
regarding crop circles, ufos, etc..I don't think there's enough information about any of the phenomena to start tying stuff together
This isn't a scientific argument nor would it convince any scientist worth more than 2 grains of salt.
Scientific procedures showed just how easy it was to make elaborate crop circles with easy planning and a group of students.
From the scientific standpoint this does in FACT show that it's highly likely to say that no crop circle on earth had extraterrestrial origins.
The UFO's is a different matter to crop circles.
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This isn't a scientific argument nor would it convince any scientist worth more than 2 grains of salt.
Scientific procedures showed just how easy it was to make elaborate crop circles with easy planning and a group of students.
From the scientific standpoint this does in FACT show that it's highly likely to say that no crop circle on earth had extraterrestrial origins.
The UFO's is a different matter to crop circles.
I'm not trying make an argument that crop circles/crop pictures, etc.. are "real" whatever that means. All I'm saying is that just because you show a way in which can be man-made does not in any way constitute proof that they are all made in that same manner.
All it shows is that this is one way of making them.
From briefly looking all I can find are people making very simple patterns in broad daylight.
I don't know much about the subject but I'd like to see that same group of scientist be able to reproduce one the larger, more complex pictograms in one night, in multiple locations, in complete darkness, without being detected, with all the weird biophysical anomolies, etc...
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I'm not trying make an argument that crop circles/crop pictures, etc.. are "real" whatever that means. All I'm saying is that just because you show a way in which can be man-made does not in any way constitute proof that they are all made in that same manner.
All it shows is that this is one way of making them.
From briefly looking all I can find are people making very simple patterns in broad daylight.
I don't know much about the subject but I'd like to see that same group of scientist be able to reproduce one the larger, more complex pictograms in one night, in multiple locations, in complete darkness, without being detected, with all the weird biophysical anomolies, etc...
HOw do you know they were produced in one night? and were the anomalies verified?
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HOw do you know they were produced in one night? and were the anomalies verified?
I don't know that they were all produced at night but most are reported by farmers who say that the thing wasn't there the prior day.
There is evidence of bio-physical anomolies. Here's one link and you can probably find others:
http://www.bltresearch.com/anatomical.html
I have no clue what they are. Whether they are a genuine mystery, etc...
My only point is that just because a few people can go out in a field and make a similar pattern is not proof (in any way) that they are all made in that manner.
Other than that, the topic doesn't really interest me that much
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I don't know that they were all produced at night but most are reported by farmers who say that the thing wasn't there the prior day.
There is evidence of bio-physical anomolies. Here's one link and you can probably find others:
http://www.bltresearch.com/anatomical.html
I have no clue what they are. Whether they are a genuine mystery, etc...
My only point is that just because a few people can go out in a field and make a similar pattern is not proof (in any way) that they are all made in that manner.
Other than that, the topic doesn't really interest me that much
The really complex ones are mathematical and filled with asrtological symbols. Quickly done and not man made.
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My only point is that just because a few people can go out in a field and make a similar pattern is not proof (in any way) that they are all made in that manner.
This is idiotic and doesn't make sense.
I could apply that thought process to just about ANYTHING.
The really complex ones are mathematical and filled with asrtological symbols. Quickly done and not man made.
Absolutely false. The fact that you know that they contain astrological symbols further cements the ultra-high probability of them ALL being man made.
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What's idiotic is thinking that just because a bunch of students can produce a replica that you've somehow proven the entire phenomena is produced in that manner.
If you can't understand why that's a fallacy then I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it again.
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What's idiotic is thinking that just because a bunch of students can produce a replica that you've somehow proven the entire phenomena is produced in that manner.
If you can't understand why that's a fallacy then I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it again.
I understand your point 100%, but I must regurgitate:
I could apply that thought process to just about ANYTHING.
Like I said, scientific process has showed with high confidence that ALL crop circles weren't constructed by extraterrestrial lifeforms.
You want to hang on to that 0.0000001% probability then fine.
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I understand your point 100%, but I must regurgitate:
Like I said, scientific process has showed with high confidence that ALL crop circles weren't constructed by extraterrestrial lifeforms.
You want to hang on to that 0.0000001% probability then fine.
the scientific process?? high confidence??
you mean one "experiment" which is nothing more than a bunch of guys saying hey let's go out in a field and see if we can make our own pattern??
I'm just not as confident as you that this explains everything (especially considering the documented physical changes in the plants of that have yet to be replicated or even explained)
Maybe I don't know enough about the experiment you're referring to.
Can you send me a link?
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Try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
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Is this the experiment that you're saying proves your point to 99.99% certainty?:
Scientific analysis
In 2002, Discovery Channel commissioned 5 aeronautics and astronautics students from MIT to create crop circles of their own. Discovery's production team consulted with crop circle researcher Nancy Talbott, who provided them with three attributes which she believed set "real" crop circles apart from known man-made circles such as those created by Doug and Dave.[33] These criteria were:
Elongated apical plant stem nodes
Expulsion cavities in the plant stems
The presence of 10-50 micrometer diameter magnetized iron spheres in the soils, distributed linearly
Over the course of a single night the team were able to create a stereotypical "man-made" circle which they then attempted to enhance using the three criteria. The team used lengths of rope to plot their design and trampled the wheat down in a spiral pattern using lengths of wooden board attached to loops of rope. To meet criterion 2, they constructed a portable microwave emitter; using it to superheat the moisture inside the corn stalks until it burst out as steam. To meet criterion 3 they built a device - dubbed the "Flammschmeisser" - which sprayed iron particles through a heated ring. However, the device proved to be too time consuming to use and they were forced to finish the task using a pyrotechnic charge to distribute the iron around the circle. The circle was later analyzed by graduate students from MIT, who declared it to be "on a par with any of the documented cases". Their conclusion was later questioned by Talbott, noting that the team had only been able to recreate 2 of the 3 criteria. Talbott also expressed concerns that the iron particles were not distributed laterally. Furthermore, she felt that the team's use of night vision headsets and other technologically advanced items would be out of reach for the average hoaxer.[33]
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So one group of students from MIT made the pattern (no picture - I'd like to see how it compares to some of the really large and intricate formations) using all kinds of gear (night vision goggels, portable microwave emitter, etc..to recreate certain physical effects (why would the original hoaxers even bother with such stuff ... I mean before anyone knew about these things)
And eventually another set of students from the same school declared it "on par" with a geniune circle
I'm not really convinced
If you are then that's fine.
I really couldn't care less either way
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They only hide from you (and they only probe people like you, they've a great sense of humour
I see lots of UFOs, all the time, most every night. We smile and wave.
the Greys always borrow my power tools, you would think my tools are to simplistic for them.
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Can someone just get a decent picture?
>:(
So everyone can say nice photoshop? :D
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Is this the experiment that you're saying proves your point to 99.99% certainty?:
Scientific analysis
In 2002, Discovery Channel commissioned 5 aeronautics and astronautics students from MIT to create crop circles of their own. Discovery's production team consulted with crop circle researcher Nancy Talbott, who provided them with three attributes which she believed set "real" crop circles apart from known man-made circles such as those created by Doug and Dave.[33] These criteria were:
Elongated apical plant stem nodes
Expulsion cavities in the plant stems
The presence of 10-50 micrometer diameter magnetized iron spheres in the soils, distributed linearly
Over the course of a single night the team were able to create a stereotypical "man-made" circle which they then attempted to enhance using the three criteria. The team used lengths of rope to plot their design and trampled the wheat down in a spiral pattern using lengths of wooden board attached to loops of rope. To meet criterion 2, they constructed a portable microwave emitter; using it to superheat the moisture inside the corn stalks until it burst out as steam. To meet criterion 3 they built a device - dubbed the "Flammschmeisser" - which sprayed iron particles through a heated ring. However, the device proved to be too time consuming to use and they were forced to finish the task using a pyrotechnic charge to distribute the iron around the circle. The circle was later analyzed by graduate students from MIT, who declared it to be "on a par with any of the documented cases". Their conclusion was later questioned by Talbott, noting that the team had only been able to recreate 2 of the 3 criteria. Talbott also expressed concerns that the iron particles were not distributed laterally. Furthermore, she felt that the team's use of night vision headsets and other technologically advanced items would be out of reach for the average hoaxer.[33]
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So one group of students from MIT made the pattern (no picture - I'd like to see how it compares to some of the really large and intricate formations) using all kinds of gear (night vision goggels, portable microwave emitter, etc..to recreate certain physical effects (why would the original hoaxers even bother with such stuff ... I mean before anyone knew about these things)
And eventually another set of students from the same school declared it "on par" with a geniune circle
I'm not really convinced
If you are then that's fine.
I really couldn't care less either way
Holy crap. that is an epic failure. They had to use MIT kids with techno gear and still failed. Ill bet it was a basic circle to!!! No Pics = FAIL.
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Straw Man, that's pretty frivolous evidence, and no it's not from the documentary I watched.
If you're not convinced, of course it must be aliens.
Holy crap. that is an epic failure. They had to use MIT kids with techno gear and still failed. Ill bet it was a basic circle to!!! No Pics = FAIL.
Your denial is unbelievable, you'll do anything to believe.
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Straw Man, that's pretty frivolous evidence, and no it's not from the documentary I watched.
If you're not convinced, of course it must be aliens.
Nordic,
WTF?
That's from the Wiki link that YOU provided.
If that's not the "experiment" you're talking about then which one is it??
I've said numerous times in this thread that I don't think we have enough info on this phenoma or UFO's to start tying them together
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Right, the wiki link attempts to provide an non-bias view. Which is great to get a good grasp of a topic.
I think the show I saw was a BBC panorama, not 100% sure tho, but it was certainly British.